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  • Labour erases the internet shocker!!!!!

    Except it would only be fair to note that the Labour Party has "erased the internet" too. Labour’s housecleaning has removed almost everything prior to the start of the current leadership, and the Wayback Machine (sorry, "the internet") is pretty empty of Labour's past as well as that of the Tories
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    tim said:

    Blimey

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/13/david-cameron-austerity-public-sector-cuts

    Don't know about the golden throne but it looks like the days when Dave can check down there easily are long gone

    Thanks for the link. Hilarious, spartism at its finest, from someone so dim she thinks she has something called "my main job of an internship". Her next insight will be that although Cameron has views on payday loans but has never taken one out himself.
  • @tim - it's no more than you and other posters have been claiming of the Tories all afternoon.

    And were wrong.

    You were on stronger ground with "Man cries at Funeral"!
  • compouter1compouter1 Posts: 642
    edited November 2013
    Have we had any revelations on Falkirk today? If so can we expect another mini surge in Labour support. Also, when can we expect the crossover in the polls as so many on here predicted a few months back? Have we had to put a delay on it due to Falkirk?
  • Falkirk has the potential to be a big story, and could get serious for Milliband, if anything comes out that ties him into it.
    Trouble is, Milliband appears to be a lucky politician, and I have the feeling that, for all the hyped up bad blood between the Labour and Unite leaderships, there's no real appetite to press the self destruct button.
    Cameron used to be lucky once.........

    It already is in Scotland.

    Labour is averaging 37 or so north of the border over the last couple of weeks - a good 10 points down on where it was before this broke in June.

    Sling in English Ed's apparent ambivalence to the big industrial issues affecting Scotland and Labour have growing difficulties.

    Salmond may not get independence but he will get the leadership role for scotland, not just at Holyrood but in Westminster.
  • Falkirk has the potential to be a big story, and could get serious for Milliband, if anything comes out that ties him into it.
    Trouble is, Milliband appears to be a lucky politician, and I have the feeling that, for all the hyped up bad blood between the Labour and Unite leaderships, there's no real appetite to press the self destruct button.
    Cameron used to be lucky once.........

    It already is in Scotland.

    Labour is averaging 37 or so north of the border over the last couple of weeks - a good 10 points down on where it was before this broke in June.

    Sling in English Ed's apparent ambivalence to the big industrial issues affecting Scotland and Labour have growing difficulties.

    Salmond may not get independence but he will get the leadership role for scotland, not just at Holyrood but in Westminster.
    Labour is doooooooooooomed.....meanwhile on planet earth Labour hits 42% in latest opinion poll. I blame Falkirk!
  • tim said:

    Falkirk has the potential to be a big story, and could get serious for Milliband, if anything comes out that ties him into it.
    Trouble is, Milliband appears to be a lucky politician, and I have the feeling that, for all the hyped up bad blood between the Labour and Unite leaderships, there's no real appetite to press the self destruct button.
    Cameron used to be lucky once.........

    It already is in Scotland.

    Labour is averaging 37 or so north of the border over the last couple of weeks - a good 10 points down on where it was before this broke in June.

    Even assuming that you are that Ricardohos bloke that's pretty stupid

    This mornings Yougov poll with Labour on 44% in Scotland is a complete outlier of course.
  • The countdown to Ed's departure has commenced.
  • The countdown to Ed's departure has commenced.

    Correctamundo - 18 months until he departs his current residence and moves in at Number 10.
  • 18 months until we get the Hodges headline "Ed Miliband winning the election and becoming PM is a disaster for Ed Miliband".
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @GuidoFawkes: How Much “New Evidence” Does Ed Need? http://t.co/c3wUWZdte7
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    42% almost certainly an outlier but still funny given DH and PB Tory predictions of Ed is shite meltdown
  • tim said:


    Even assuming that you are that Ricardohos bloke that's pretty stupid

    If stupid is synonymous with accurate, you might be right.

    Otherwise.....

    Haven't got a clue who this other bloke a couple of you have mentioned is.
  • Good evening, comrades and capitalist pigdogs (we have plans for you!).

    Today the mask of reason slipped and we saw the true face of revisionist deceit that the bourgeois aristocrat Cameron wears!

    Filled with terror at the prospect of the People realising the depths of their cowardice and unforgivable treachery the Conservatives (hiss!) have clumsily attempted to hide their past, but we will not let them get away with purging the truth so easily, and have bared their depraved activities for all to see!

    Only Comrade Miliband has nothing to fear from the past. All relevant speeches, thoughts and policies dating from the beginning of his benevolent and wise leadership remain free for all to enjoy and learn from. Why not read of how his beloved brother applauded his victory and wished him all the best upon his glorious ascension to the supreme leadership of Unite's political subsidiary?
  • Scott_P said:

    @GuidoFawkes: How Much “New Evidence” Does Ed Need? http://t.co/c3wUWZdte7

    It's got bad when even the BBC refer to Falkirk in a story on Union funding:

    Unite still Labour's largest backer despite Falkirk row
    The Unite union remains Labour's largest financial backer, new figures show, despite the fall-out from the Falkirk candidate selection row.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24929107

    Although "despite" is an interesting choice.....some might have thought "because" more appropriate.


  • tim said:

    Link to Labour being on 47% in Scotland in June for us then, proper poll please, no subsamples.

    Go back to May/June and check day after day after day after day.

    They're losing support.



  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited November 2013
    Link 1 is quite damning. We have government by a well connected SPADocracy, who secure each others preferment into safe seats. Lets see which favourite gets parachuted into Shaun Woodwards constituency, and other tempting safe seats with the fast track to a ministry.

    Today I spent an afternoon with our management consultants, teenage scribblers all, who lectured me on how to increase productivity within my own department. They based this on the sound knowledge of a day or two in the department with no real understanding of what we do and why we do it a particular way.

    Nice quite sweet wet behind the ears youths that they were, I could not control my anger at their idiocies that were being lapped up by a senior management team that is well known for its failure to listen to front line clinicians. It was all I could do to keep from swearing at their plans.

    My conclusion: we are bewitched by these over-ambitious, under-experienced but well presented kids, both at work and in politics. They need to be replaced by people who have done front line work, and who know what they are talking about. If we do not then we are f***ed.
  • tim said:

    You're seriously asking people on a politics betting site to look at subsamples?

    I'm "seriously saying" that if you ask the same question repeatedly over a reasonable period of time you get an accurate idea of what people really think.

    In the last 10 days of February, for example, Labour averaged 46.7 in Scotland over 10 subsamples (nearly 2,000 people). By today, a similar sample gave 37.3.

    You can take that or leave it when putting money on it.
  • Cameron demanding the mobile phone firms cut their prices.

    http://goo.gl/lBXhEU

    Don't hold your breath
  • Mr. Foxinsox, I agree, but it would be perhaps even more enlightening to consider the links between politicians and the press.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited November 2013
    Ominous rumblings at Lib Dem Pravda as one of their own quits after having had enough.
    Lib Dem Voice compromised its independent voice with Heathrow sponsored post

    http://www.libdemvoice.org/lib-dem-voice-has-been-compromised-by-the-heathrow-sponsored-post-37170.html
    I fear that Calamity Clegg's ostrich faction of spinners at Lib Dem Pravda will find it even more tricky than usual to try to marginalise and silence dissent after their bedroom tax farce.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    Mr. Foxinsox, I agree, but it would be perhaps even more enlightening to consider the links between politicians and the press.


    Would it indeed? ;)


    LOL
  • Cameron demanding the mobile phone firms cut their prices.

    http://goo.gl/lBXhEU

    Don't hold your breath

    The sight of a Conservative MP, a Conservative MP, running around and interfering with a private sector......it's Marxism I tell you.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    edited November 2013
    Mr. Pork, could you elaborate? A rhetorical question followed by LOL makes it difficult to work out what you're attempting to say.

    Edited extra bit: unless it's a reference to the Leveson silliness. Whilst relevant, that's not really what I'm getting at, so much as a culture of collaboration between a PR-obsessed political class and a media that tends to regurgitate press releases and has little insight or objectivity to offer.

    Anyway, off for the night.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    Mr. Pork, could you elaborate?.

    Nope.

    :)

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    The press and media are the most socially exclusive of professions, where unpaid interns proliferate, yet lecture us on how we need to be more inclusive.

    It is one reason I no longer read the papers.

    Mr. Foxinsox, I agree, but it would be perhaps even more enlightening to consider the links between politicians and the press.

  • currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171
    tim said:

    @Currystar

    If all councils downsize everyone then there's no problem, no arrears and no bedroom tax collected (and no savings)

    Do you seriously think anyone believes you?


    I couldn't care two hoots whether people believe me, all anyone needs to do is speak to the housing needs department of any local authority or just type tenants incentive scheme into the internet for some examples. As i keep repeating LAs are desperate for family housing and will move mountains to get their hands on properties suitable for families. And yes theoretically LAs would love to move everyone under occupying accommodation (I am not talking about heavily adapted properties for disabled people) into suitably sized accommodation. Its called making good use of their housing stock. Why would a LA who are forking out 1000s per week keeping homeless families in B & B accommodation not want to move a single person occupying a 3BH to a 1BF .

    Why do you always think you are so right. What experience do you have in social housing?

    By the way how do you collect bedroom tax?

  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    Cameron demanding the mobile phone firms cut their prices.

    http://goo.gl/lBXhEU

    Don't hold your breath

    The sight of a Conservative MP, a Conservative MP, running around and interfering with a private sector......it's Marxism I tell you.
    I moved to Virgin the other day. £15 a month, all in.
    Except the bill came and it was £30, most of it on a 0845 number charged at 50p a minute to... Virgin customer services. I told her we were all Marxists now and she agreed and refunded the charges.

    This post may be recorded or monitored for training purposes.

  • It's all a Tory plot!!!!!!

    Unite can't be left to resist Cameron's smear campaign alone
    David Cameron and the Tory press have launched a retro anti-union drive to damage Ed Miliband. But it won't fly in today's Britain


    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/13/unite-cameron-smear-campaign-anti-union
  • NextNext Posts: 826

    It's all a Tory plot!!!!!!

    Unite can't be left to resist Cameron's smear campaign alone
    David Cameron and the Tory press have launched a retro anti-union drive to damage Ed Miliband. But it won't fly in today's Britain


    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/13/unite-cameron-smear-campaign-anti-union

    "But it won't fly in today's Britain"

    Well, why are they worrying about it then?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,471

    Link 1 is quite damning. We have government by a well connected SPADocracy, who secure each others preferment into safe seats. Lets see which favourite gets parachuted into Shaun Woodwards constituency, and other tempting safe seats with the fast track to a ministry.

    Today I spent an afternoon with our management consultants, teenage scribblers all, who lectured me on how to increase productivity within my own department. They based this on the sound knowledge of a day or two in the department with no real understanding of what we do and why we do it a particular way.

    Nice quite sweet wet behind the ears youths that they were, I could not control my anger at their idiocies that were being lapped up by a senior management team that is well known for its failure to listen to front line clinicians. It was all I could do to keep from swearing at their plans.

    My conclusion: we are bewitched by these over-ambitious, under-experienced but well presented kids, both at work and in politics. They need to be replaced by people who have done front line work, and who know what they are talking about. If we do not then we are f***ed.

    All good points. It's also why I want less politicians with PPE's from Oxford in politics. It leads to paucity of ideas. Let's have more engineers and scientists in parliament - the people who actually build the world. :-)

    As a matter of interest, how many medical doctors are in parliament? I know there's Sarah Woolaston and Dan Poulter, along with the independent ex-MP Richard Taylor. But how many are there in total - I must be missing some?

    In fact, it would be nice to see a table of all the professions MPs had before entering parliament...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @DJack_Journo: Is @edballsmp in denial on economic growth? Brilliant @mortenmorland cartoon for @thetimes http://t.co/2J7GwAfW2M
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited November 2013
    Meanwhile, in the same newspaper, the Guardian goes muckraking * digging on Falkirk Blairites:

    Falkirk Labour hopeful admits paying for mass recruitment to party
    Labour concern after former election strategy manager Gregor Poynton wrote single cheque for 11 new members


    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/nov/13/falkirk-labour-gregor-poynton-paid-recruits

    * The Daily Mail muckrakes - the Guardian investigates.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Meanwhile, in the same newspaper, the Guardian goes muckraking * digging on Falkirk Blairites:

    Falkirk Labour hopeful admits paying for mass recruitment to party
    Labour concern after former election strategy manager Gregor Poynton wrote single cheque for 11 new members


    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/nov/13/falkirk-labour-gregor-poynton-paid-recruits

    * The Daily Mail muckrakes - the Guardian investigates.

    Bloody Tory Rag...

    Despite being Great News for Ed, nobody in the Real World cares about Falkirk
  • R0bertsR0berts Posts: 391
    What is it with PB Tories and Falkirk?

    They've gone mad.

    Stick to Guido, Falkirkers!
  • Interesting revelation in the Guardian Falkirk Blairites article;

    "Labour's unpublished report into irregularities in Falkirk, which has been partially leaked to the Guardian."

    Cui bono?
  • R0berts said:

    What is it with PB Tories The Guardian and Falkirk?

    They've gone mad.

    Stick to Guido, Falkirkers!

    Two articles in tomorrow's Guardian.....so far.....

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Cameron demanding the mobile phone firms cut their prices.

    http://goo.gl/lBXhEU

    Don't hold your breath

    They've already made good progress on roaming and data charges.

    Of course it's mainly be led by the EU (I think the relevant commissioner, but I wouldn't swear to that). But don't let that stop Cameron trying to claim the credit.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Meanwhile, in the same newspaper, the Guardian goes muckraking * digging on Falkirk Blairites:

    Falkirk Labour hopeful admits paying for mass recruitment to party
    Labour concern after former election strategy manager Gregor Poynton wrote single cheque for 11 new members


    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/nov/13/falkirk-labour-gregor-poynton-paid-recruits

    * The Daily Mail muckrakes - the Guardian investigates.

    I observe,
    You dig
    He muckrakes
  • Have we had any revelations on Falkirk today? If so can we expect another mini surge in Labour support. Also, when can we expect the crossover in the polls as so many on here predicted a few months back? Have we had to put a delay on it due to Falkirk?

    Finished your homework?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    tim said:

    Link 1 is quite damning. We have government by a well connected SPADocracy, who secure each others preferment into safe seats. Lets see which favourite gets parachuted into Shaun Woodwards constituency, and other tempting safe seats with the fast track to a ministry.

    Today I spent an afternoon with our management consultants, teenage scribblers all, who lectured me on how to increase productivity within my own department. They based this on the sound knowledge of a day or two in the department with no real understanding of what we do and why we do it a particular way.

    Nice quite sweet wet behind the ears youths that they were, I could not control my anger at their idiocies that were being lapped up by a senior management team that is well known for its failure to listen to front line clinicians. It was all I could do to keep from swearing at their plans.

    My conclusion: we are bewitched by these over-ambitious, under-experienced but well presented kids, both at work and in politics. They need to be replaced by people who have done front line work, and who know what they are talking about. If we do not then we are f***ed.

    All good points. It's also why I want less politicians with PPE's from Oxford in politics. It leads to paucity of ideas. Let's have more engineers and scientists in parliament - the people who actually build the world. :-)

    As a matter of interest, how many medical doctors are in parliament? I know there's Sarah Woolaston and Dan Poulter, along with the independent ex-MP Richard Taylor. But how many are there in total - I must be missing some?

    In fact, it would be nice to see a table of all the professions MPs had before entering parliament...
    There are six, seven if you include Adam Werritty who I'm sure would be present at any of the Fantasist Dr Fox's procedures
    He wasn't there last time I met Liam.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Sounds about right. Medical doctors are already overrepresented.

    We need more from other areas. Not just engineers, but nurses, social workers, firemen, police officers, secretaries, call centre workers, underemployed vinters and McDonalds employees of the month. We would begin to reflect the diversity and priorities of the nation, and have people who could speak with knowledge on these fields.

    In reality the last thing to do if you want a political career is to work for a living.
    tim said:

    Link 1 is quite damning. We have government by a well connected SPADocracy, who secure each others preferment into safe seats. Lets see which favourite gets parachuted into Shaun Woodwards constituency, and other tempting safe seats with the fast track to a ministry.

    Today I spent an afternoon with our management consultants, teenage scribblers all, who lectured me on how to increase productivity within my own department. They based this on the sound knowledge of a day or two in the department with no real understanding of what we do and why we do it a particular way.

    Nice quite sweet wet behind the ears youths that they were, I could not control my anger at their idiocies that were being lapped up by a senior management team that is well known for its failure to listen to front line clinicians. It was all I could do to keep from swearing at their plans.

    My conclusion: we are bewitched by these over-ambitious, under-experienced but well presented kids, both at work and in politics. They need to be replaced by people who have done front line work, and who know what they are talking about. If we do not then we are f***ed.

    All good points. It's also why I want less politicians with PPE's from Oxford in politics. It leads to paucity of ideas. Let's have more engineers and scientists in parliament - the people who actually build the world. :-)

    As a matter of interest, how many medical doctors are in parliament? I know there's Sarah Woolaston and Dan Poulter, along with the independent ex-MP Richard Taylor. But how many are there in total - I must be missing some?

    In fact, it would be nice to see a table of all the professions MPs had before entering parliament...
    There are six, seven if you include Adam Werritty who I'm sure would be present at any of the Fantasist Dr Fox's procedures
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805

    Link 1 is quite damning. We have government by a well connected SPADocracy, who secure each others preferment into safe seats. Lets see which favourite gets parachuted into Shaun Woodwards constituency, and other tempting safe seats with the fast track to a ministry.

    Today I spent an afternoon with our management consultants, teenage scribblers all, who lectured me on how to increase productivity within my own department. They based this on the sound knowledge of a day or two in the department with no real understanding of what we do and why we do it a particular way.

    Nice quite sweet wet behind the ears youths that they were, I could not control my anger at their idiocies that were being lapped up by a senior management team that is well known for its failure to listen to front line clinicians. It was all I could do to keep from swearing at their plans.

    My conclusion: we are bewitched by these over-ambitious, under-experienced but well presented kids, both at work and in politics. They need to be replaced by people who have done front line work, and who know what they are talking about. If we do not then we are f***ed.

    Same in ed. Weird to be raising pension age and at the same time creating a climate where young, cheap teachers are the way to balance the school budget. Well, when I say 'balance the school budget', I mean free up enough cash to pay for more young, expensive managers and get more young, expensive mocksted consultants in.
  • R0bertsR0berts Posts: 391

    Link 1 is quite damning. We have government by a well connected SPADocracy, who secure each others preferment into safe seats. Lets see which favourite gets parachuted into Shaun Woodwards constituency, and other tempting safe seats with the fast track to a ministry.

    Today I spent an afternoon with our management consultants, teenage scribblers all, who lectured me on how to increase productivity within my own department. They based this on the sound knowledge of a day or two in the department with no real understanding of what we do and why we do it a particular way.

    Nice quite sweet wet behind the ears youths that they were, I could not control my anger at their idiocies that were being lapped up by a senior management team that is well known for its failure to listen to front line clinicians. It was all I could do to keep from swearing at their plans.

    My conclusion: we are bewitched by these over-ambitious, under-experienced but well presented kids, both at work and in politics. They need to be replaced by people who have done front line work, and who know what they are talking about. If we do not then we are f***ed.

    All good points. It's also why I want less politicians with PPE's from Oxford in politics. It leads to paucity of ideas. Let's have more engineers and scientists in parliament - the people who actually build the world. :-)

    As a matter of interest, how many medical doctors are in parliament? I know there's Sarah Woolaston and Dan Poulter, along with the independent ex-MP Richard Taylor. But how many are there in total - I must be missing some?

    In fact, it would be nice to see a table of all the professions MPs had before entering parliament...
    I'm never sure about this "career outside politics first" argument.

    Politics would be worse if we had more people moving from big business, banks etc, whether they were handed their positions by Daddy or not. But to some, this sort of stuff counts as a "proper job outside politics".

    When you say engineers, do you mean plumbers? Or lofty academics, the heads of multinationals? Why stop there, why not posties and waitresses?


  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,568
    JJ, I had 16 years in multinational business management and I'd run two successful small businesses, as well as three-year MRC technical IT project. On the other hand, I didn't know anyone in Parliament. I was fairly quickly moved onto the Treasury Select Committee, the Whips (who then had right of appointment) arguing that this was a good idea with business experience and mathematics, and they saw me more as a persistent nerdish questioner than someone for the front office. I didn't like it, but they might have been right. Similarly, the one GP that we had got moved swiftly to the Health Select Committee.

    So I'm not sure that promotions in Parliament are the problem. It's more that most people in politics work their way up through a series of political jobs, and moving sideways from another profession is a bit unusual. That's partly because if you're successful in a profession you do earn more, with less stress - nobody monitors your private life, tries to discredit you, or openly plots to get your job. I took a 40% pay cut in 1997 and if I'm elected in 2015 I'll take another (smaller) one. You have to be very politically motivated to do it, and that might not be a good thing - perhaps we need more MPs who aren't single-minded about politics?

  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    R0berts said:

    What is it with PB Tories and Falkirk?

    They've gone mad.

    Stick to Guido, Falkirkers!

    There are rumours tonight that Falkirk is outside the United States.

  • Link 1 is quite damning. We have government by a well connected SPADocracy, who secure each others preferment into safe seats. Lets see which favourite gets parachuted into Shaun Woodwards constituency, and other tempting safe seats with the fast track to a ministry.

    Today I spent an afternoon with our management consultants, teenage scribblers all, who lectured me on how to increase productivity within my own department. They based this on the sound knowledge of a day or two in the department with no real understanding of what we do and why we do it a particular way.

    Nice quite sweet wet behind the ears youths that they were, I could not control my anger at their idiocies that were being lapped up by a senior management team that is well known for its failure to listen to front line clinicians. It was all I could do to keep from swearing at their plans.

    My conclusion: we are bewitched by these over-ambitious, under-experienced but well presented kids, both at work and in politics. They need to be replaced by people who have done front line work, and who know what they are talking about. If we do not then we are f***ed.

    All good points. It's also why I want less politicians with PPE's from Oxford in politics. It leads to paucity of ideas. Let's have more engineers and scientists in parliament - the people who actually build the world. :-)

    As a matter of interest, how many medical doctors are in parliament? I know there's Sarah Woolaston and Dan Poulter, along with the independent ex-MP Richard Taylor. But how many are there in total - I must be missing some?

    In fact, it would be nice to see a table of all the professions MPs had before entering parliament...

    This is intetesting-

    www.smith-institute.org.uk/file/Who-Governs-Britain.pdf

    I think I read somewhere that around 90 of our current MPs have never held a significant job, outside of politics.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    edited November 2013
    'He wasn't there last time I met Liam.'

    Blimey Charles. If ever I'm struck by that 'leftie politics of envy' bug re your lifestyle, I'll remember that you have to hobnob with the likes of Liam Fox.
  • R0bertsR0berts Posts: 391

    Link 1 is quite damning. We have government by a well connected SPADocracy, who secure each others preferment into safe seats. Lets see which favourite gets parachuted into Shaun Woodwards constituency, and other tempting safe seats with the fast track to a ministry.

    Today I spent an afternoon with our management consultants, teenage scribblers all, who lectured me on how to increase productivity within my own department. They based this on the sound knowledge of a day or two in the department with no real understanding of what we do and why we do it a particular way.

    Nice quite sweet wet behind the ears youths that they were, I could not control my anger at their idiocies that were being lapped up by a senior management team that is well known for its failure to listen to front line clinicians. It was all I could do to keep from swearing at their plans.

    My conclusion: we are bewitched by these over-ambitious, under-experienced but well presented kids, both at work and in politics. They need to be replaced by people who have done front line work, and who know what they are talking about. If we do not then we are f***ed.

    All good points. It's also why I want less politicians with PPE's from Oxford in politics. It leads to paucity of ideas. Let's have more engineers and scientists in parliament - the people who actually build the world. :-)

    As a matter of interest, how many medical doctors are in parliament? I know there's Sarah Woolaston and Dan Poulter, along with the independent ex-MP Richard Taylor. But how many are there in total - I must be missing some?

    In fact, it would be nice to see a table of all the professions MPs had before entering parliament...

    This is intetesting-

    www.smith-institute.org.uk/file/Who-Governs-Britain.pdf

    I think I read somewhere that around 90 of our current MPs have never held a significant job, outside of politics.
    What's a "significant job"?

    Do we want more builders as MPs?
  • Bobajob said:

    R0berts said:

    What is it with PB Tories and Falkirk?

    They've gone mad.

    Stick to Guido, Falkirkers!

    There are rumours tonight that Falkirk is outside the United States.

    Most amusing twobobajob.

    Even more amusing that it will come back to bite Ed in the arse if he doesn't deal with it now.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    I think that your work outside politics is perhaps your strongest suit. It is not required to do PPE if you have mastered Diplomacy and Advanced Squad Leader!

    JJ, I had 16 years in multinational business management and I'd run two successful small businesses, as well as three-year MRC technical IT project. On the other hand, I didn't know anyone in Parliament. I was fairly quickly moved onto the Treasury Select Committee, the Whips (who then had right of appointment) arguing that this was a good idea with business experience and mathematics, and they saw me more as a persistent nerdish questioner than someone for the front office. I didn't like it, but they might have been right. Similarly, the one GP that we had got moved swiftly to the Health Select Committee.

    So I'm not sure that promotions in Parliament are the problem. It's more that most people in politics work their way up through a series of political jobs, and moving sideways from another profession is a bit unusual. That's partly because if you're successful in a profession you do earn more, with less stress - nobody monitors your private life, tries to discredit you, or openly plots to get your job. I took a 40% pay cut in 1997 and if I'm elected in 2015 I'll take another (smaller) one. You have to be very politically motivated to do it, and that might not be a good thing - perhaps we need more MPs who aren't single-minded about politics?

  • Blanchflower on newsnight.

    What an idiot.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Two articles in tomorrow's Guardian.....so far.....

    The editor of The Guardian is a PB Tory, innit?
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    PM on fp of the Guardian 'despairing' at the private school grip on top jobs.

    There's a grand gesture possibility there...
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    Bobajob said:

    R0berts said:

    What is it with PB Tories and Falkirk?

    They've gone mad.

    Stick to Guido, Falkirkers!

    There are rumours tonight that Falkirk is outside the United States.

    Most amusing twobobajob.

    Even more amusing that it will come back to bite Ed in the arse if he doesn't deal with it now.
    Deal with what exactly? A dog whistle?
  • R0berts said:

    Link 1 is quite damning. We have government by a well connected SPADocracy, who secure each others preferment into safe seats. Lets see which favourite gets parachuted into Shaun Woodwards constituency, and other tempting safe seats with the fast track to a ministry.

    Today I spent an afternoon with our management consultants, teenage scribblers all, who lectured me on how to increase productivity within my own department. They based this on the sound knowledge of a day or two in the department with no real understanding of what we do and why we do it a particular way.

    Nice quite sweet wet behind the ears youths that they were, I could not control my anger at their idiocies that were being lapped up by a senior management team that is well known for its failure to listen to front line clinicians. It was all I could do to keep from swearing at their plans.

    My conclusion: we are bewitched by these over-ambitious, under-experienced but well presented kids, both at work and in politics. They need to be replaced by people who have done front line work, and who know what they are talking about. If we do not then we are f***ed.

    All good points. It's also why I want less politicians with PPE's from Oxford in politics. It leads to paucity of ideas. Let's have more engineers and scientists in parliament - the people who actually build the world. :-)

    As a matter of interest, how many medical doctors are in parliament? I know there's Sarah Woolaston and Dan Poulter, along with the independent ex-MP Richard Taylor. But how many are there in total - I must be missing some?

    In fact, it would be nice to see a table of all the professions MPs had before entering parliament...

    This is intetesting-

    www.smith-institute.org.uk/file/Who-Governs-Britain.pdf

    I think I read somewhere that around 90 of our current MPs have never held a significant job, outside of politics.
    What's a "significant job"?

    Do we want more builders as MPs?
    Why not? What's wrong with builders? I presume a significant job is any job that's not wanky spaddery/ PPE/bag carrying/ intern stuff. That pretty much rules out Cameron, Clegg and Milliband.

  • R0bertsR0berts Posts: 391
    I'm surprised Cameron hasn't been all over the Phillippines.

    Has Crosby told him to hold back, in case it annoys the far Right UKIP mob?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SkyNews: INDEPENDENT FRONT PAGE "US blocks publication of Chilcot's Iraq report" #skypapers http://t.co/wTEqTlhN3m
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    The train wreck that is Obamacare continues, except it's no longer abstract, it's happening. -

    Sen Mary Landreu (Dem) has introduced a bill in the Senate to allow people to keep their old health care plans. Sen Diane Feinstein (Dem) has said she will support it, as has Sen Kay Hagan (Dem).

    A similar bill has been introduced in the House by Rep Upton (Rep). The House bill will be up for a vote on Friday. It remains to be seen if Harry Reid will allow the bill in the senate to come to a vote. It is hard to overstate the heat that people who voted for Obamacare are hearing from their constituents who have had their plans cancelled because they are 'bad apple' insurers with 'sub-standard' plans, according to the president. The latest figure of cancellations I have seen is approaching 5 million.

    So far HHS is saying that just over 100k people have 'selected' a plan - i.e. it's in their shopping basket on the web site, NOT that they have signed up and agreed to pay. Figures from the insurance companies suggest that less than half that number have, but they are unverifed.

    We have no breakdown as to how many are young or old.

    That is critical, as it's the young who have to sign up for this turkey to work, as they are expected to pay the lion's share of the costs of older folks..

    What is even more troubling is the number of folks who have been steered to enroll in Medicaid, which has no payable premium, and is taxpayer funded. It looks like almost 400k folks have enrolled in Medicaid. The theory is that the young enrolling in Obamacare will pay for this. It looks like Obamacare will collapse under its own weight. The website problems are merely window dressing.

    How has my insurance changed for next year? I am male, covered for maternity care, free conraceptives, pediatric dentistry and mental health care. Otherwise my coverage is the same as it was.

    This is a truly dreadful piece of legislation for a problem which could have been solved by a simple piece of legislation - abolish pre-existing conditions and lifetime cap terminations, tort reform, and allow insurance companies to sell across state lines. Problem solved.

    So now Obama is facing the fallout from his bare faced lie, repeated over and over, that "If you like your health care plan, you can keep it. Period.", and that the average family will save $2500 per year. More than half the country now think him untrustworthy. Also more than half the country want Obamacare repealed.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Blanchflower on newsnight.

    What an idiot.

    Coco the clown was busy...
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    I think that your work outside politics is perhaps your strongest suit. It is not required to do PPE if you have mastered Diplomacy and Advanced Squad Leader!

    JJ, I had 16 years in multinational business management and I'd run two successful small businesses, as well as three-year MRC technical IT project. On the other hand, I didn't know anyone in Parliament. I was fairly quickly moved onto the Treasury Select Committee, the Whips (who then had right of appointment) arguing that this was a good idea with business experience and mathematics, and they saw me more as a persistent nerdish questioner than someone for the front office. I didn't like it, but they might have been right. Similarly, the one GP that we had got moved swiftly to the Health Select Committee.

    So I'm not sure that promotions in Parliament are the problem. It's more that most people in politics work their way up through a series of political jobs, and moving sideways from another profession is a bit unusual. That's partly because if you're successful in a profession you do earn more, with less stress - nobody monitors your private life, tries to discredit you, or openly plots to get your job. I took a 40% pay cut in 1997 and if I'm elected in 2015 I'll take another (smaller) one. You have to be very politically motivated to do it, and that might not be a good thing - perhaps we need more MPs who aren't single-minded about politics?

    Nick also programmed a classic 80s computer game, the name of which somewhat regrettably now escapes me, but had me starstruck when he told me
  • R0bertsR0berts Posts: 391

    R0berts said:

    Link 1 is quite damning. We have government by a well connected SPADocracy, who secure each others preferment into safe seats. Lets see which favourite gets parachuted into Shaun Woodwards constituency, and other tempting safe seats with the fast track to a ministry.

    snip

    My conclusion: we are bewitched by these over-ambitious, under-experienced but well presented kids, both at work and in politics. They need to be replaced by people who have done front line work, and who know what they are talking about. If we do not then we are f***ed.

    snip

    In fact, it would be nice to see a table of all the professions MPs had before entering parliament...

    This is intetesting-

    www.smith-institute.org.uk/file/Who-Governs-Britain.pdf

    I think I read somewhere that around 90 of our current MPs have never held a significant job, outside of politics.
    What's a "significant job"?

    Do we want more builders as MPs?
    Why not? What's wrong with builders? I presume a significant job is any job that's not wanky spaddery/ PPE/bag carrying/ intern stuff. That pretty much rules out Cameron, Clegg and Milliband.

    "Wanky spaddery bag carrying" exists in big business for Daddy's little gems / PPE tossers too though, to an even greater extent. Just because a job is in the private sector doesn't make it any more "proper", look at David Cameron's CV.

    There's nothing wrong with builders. I just don't want Parliament full of builders, waitresses, teachers, firemen, posties, plumbers. I think the triangle heads do a better job.
  • Especially for Bobajob, David Cameron's words from yesterday:

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/11/david-cameron-milibands-labour-poses-the-same-old-danger/

    ‘The single biggest threat to the cost of living in this country is if our budget deficit and debts get out of control again. If interest rates and mortgage rates start to soar, the increase in cost of living will far outweigh the impact of any increase in government spending or indeed reduction in taxation.’

    I'm sure I'll be quoting him regularly in the coming months.
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    R0berts said:

    I'm surprised Cameron hasn't been all over the Phillippines.

    Has Crosby told him to hold back, in case it annoys the far Right UKIP mob?

    Crosby has some "big news" for Eric Joyce... on Tuesday.

  • TwistedFireStopperTwistedFireStopper Posts: 2,538
    edited November 2013
    R0berts said:

    R0berts said:

    Link 1 is quite damning. We have government by a well connected SPADocracy, who secure each others preferment into safe seats. Lets see which favourite gets parachuted into Shaun Woodwards constituency, and other tempting safe seats with the fast track to a ministry.

    snip

    My conclusion: we are bewitched by these over-ambitious, under-experienced but well presented kids, both at work and in politics. They need to be replaced by people who have done front line work, and who know what they are talking about. If we do not then we are f***ed.

    snip

    In fact, it would be nice to see a table of all the professions MPs had before entering parliament...

    This is intetesting-

    www.smith-institute.org.uk/file/Who-Governs-Britain.pdf

    I think I read somewhere that around 90 of our current MPs have never held a significant job, outside of politics.
    What's a "significant job"?

    Do we want more builders as MPs?
    Why not? What's wrong with builders? I presume a significant job is any job that's not wanky spaddery/ PPE/bag carrying/ intern stuff. That pretty much rules out Cameron, Clegg and Milliband.

    "Wanky spaddery bag carrying" exists in big business for Daddy's little gems / PPE tossers too though, to an even greater extent. Just because a job is in the private sector doesn't make it any more "proper", look at David Cameron's CV.

    There's nothing wrong with builders. I just don't want Parliament full of builders, waitresses, teachers, firemen, posties, plumbers. I think the triangle heads do a better job.
    What's the up with normal people, ain't we good enough for you?

  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    antifrank said:

    Especially for Bobajob, David Cameron's words from yesterday:

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/11/david-cameron-milibands-labour-poses-the-same-old-danger/

    ‘The single biggest threat to the cost of living in this country is if our budget deficit and debts get out of control again. If interest rates and mortgage rates start to soar, the increase in cost of living will far outweigh the impact of any increase in government spending or indeed reduction in taxation.’

    I'm sure I'll be quoting him regularly in the coming months.

    Yes, let's see if the election is fought on that battleground. It won't be.
    1. Labour are tied to deficit reduction plans
    2. No fucker knows what the deficit is
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Builders would be a good idea. We might get some legislation that facilitated house bouilding.

    R0berts said:

    Link 1 is quite daomning. We have government by a well connected SPADocracy, who secure each others preferment into safe seats. Lets see which favourite gets parachuted into Shaun Woodwards constituency, and other tempting safe seats with the fast track to a ministry.

    Today I spent an afternoon with our management consultants, teenage scribblers all, who lectured me on how to increase productivity within my own department. They based this on the sound knowledge of a day or two in the department with no real understanding of what we do and why we do it a particular way.


    My conclusion: we are bewitched by these over-ambitious, under-experienced but well presented kids, both at work and in politics. They need to be replaced by people who have done front line work, and who know what they are talking about. If we do not then we are f***ed.

    All good points. It's also why I want less politicians with PPE's from Oxford in politics. It leads to paucity of ideas. Let's have more engineers and scientists in parliament - the people who actually build the world. :-)

    As a matter of interest, how many medical doctors are in parliament? I know there's Sarah Woolaston and Dan Poulter, along with the independent ex-MP Richard Taylor. But how many are there in total - I must be missing some?

    In fact, it would be nice to see a table of all the professions MPs had before entering parliament...

    This is intetesting-

    www.smith-institute.org.uk/file/Who-Governs-Britain.pdf

    I think I read somewhere that around 90 of our current MPs have never held a significant job, outside of politics.
    What's a "significant job"?

    Do we want more builders as MPs?
    Why not? What's wrong with builders? I presume a significant job is any job that's not wanky spaddery/ PPE/bag carrying/ intern stuff. That pretty much rules out Cameron, Clegg and Milliband.

  • @Bobajob There's none so blind as will not see.
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    tim said:

    Bobajob said:

    I think that your work outside politics is perhaps your strongest suit. It is not required to do PPE if you have mastered Diplomacy and Advanced Squad Leader!

    JJ, I had 16 years in multinational business management and I'd run two successful small businesses, as well as three-year MRC technical IT project. On the other hand, I didn't know anyone in Parliament. I was fairly quickly moved onto the Treasury Select Committee, the Whips (who then had right of appointment) arguing that this was a good idea with business experience and mathematics, and they saw me more as a persistent nerdish questioner than someone for the front office. I didn't like it, but they might have been right. Similarly, the one GP that we had got moved swiftly to the Health Select Committee.

    So I'm not sure that promotions in Parliament are the problem. It's more that most people in politics work their way up through a series of political jobs, and moving sideways from another profession is a bit unusual. That's partly because if you're successful in a profession you do earn more, with less stress - nobody monitors your private life, tries to discredit you, or openly plots to get your job. I took a 40% pay cut in 1997 and if I'm elected in 2015 I'll take another (smaller) one. You have to be very politically motivated to do it, and that might not be a good thing - perhaps we need more MPs who aren't single-minded about politics?

    Nick also programmed a classic 80s computer game, the name of which somewhat regrettably now escapes me, but had me starstruck when he told me
    Is he in the next Toronto Mayor betting, sounds like just what they'll be looking for next time
    LOL - I'm sure Nick has had his moments
  • R0bertsR0berts Posts: 391

    R0berts said:

    R0berts said:

    Link 1 is quite damning. We have government by a well connected SPADocracy, who secure each others preferment into safe seats. Lets see which favourite gets parachuted into Shaun Woodwards constituency, and other tempting safe seats with the fast track to a ministry.

    snip

    My conclusion: we are bewitched by these over-ambitious, under-experienced but well presented kids, both at work and in politics. They need to be replaced by people who have done front line work, and who know what they are talking about. If we do not then we are f***ed.

    snip

    In fact, it would be nice to see a table of all the professions MPs had before entering parliament...

    This is intetesting-

    www.smith-institute.org.uk/file/Who-Governs-Britain.pdf

    I think I read somewhere that around 90 of our current MPs have never held a significant job, outside of politics.
    What's a "significant job"?

    Do we want more builders as MPs?
    Why not? What's wrong with builders? I presume a significant job is any job that's not wanky spaddery/ PPE/bag carrying/ intern stuff. That pretty much rules out Cameron, Clegg and Milliband.

    "Wanky spaddery bag carrying" exists in big business for Daddy's little gems / PPE tossers too though, to an even greater extent. Just because a job is in the private sector doesn't make it any more "proper", look at David Cameron's CV.

    There's nothing wrong with builders. I just don't want Parliament full of builders, waitresses, teachers, firemen, posties, plumbers. I think the triangle heads do a better job.
    What's up with normal people, aint we good enough for you?

    Hehe. Would you like parliament to be run by a few hundred assorted bar staff, mechanics, call centre workers, teaching assistants, porters, gardeners, salesmen, cleaners, childminders? I wouldn't.

    I may do one of the jobs I've mentioned in this thread, don't jump to conclusions pal!

  • Can posters tone down their language, bad language, posts including those with words asterisked out, risk being deleted, repeat offenders will see their ability to instantly published revoked
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Sounds a big improvement to me.
    R0berts said:

    R0berts said:

    R0berts said:

    Link 1 is quite damning. We have government by a well connected SPADocracy, who secure each others preferment into safe seats. Lets see which favourite gets parachuted into Shaun Woodwards constituency, and other tempting safe seats with the fast track to a ministry.

    snip

    My conclusion: we are bewitched by these over-ambitious, under-experienced but well presented kids, both at work and in politics. They need to be replaced by people who have done front line work, and who know what they are talking about. If we do not then we are f***ed.

    snip

    In fact, it would be nice to see a table of all the professions MPs had before entering parliament...

    This is intetesting-

    www.smith-institute.org.uk/file/Who-Governs-Britain.pdf

    I think I read somewhere that around 90 of our current MPs have never held a significant job, outside of politics.
    What's a "significant job"?

    Do we want more builders as MPs?
    Why not? What's wrong with builders? I presume a significant job is any job that's not wanky spaddery/ PPE/bag carrying/ intern stuff. That pretty much rules out Cameron, Clegg and Milliband.

    "Wanky spaddery bag carrying" exists in big business for Daddy's little gems / PPE tossers too though, to an even greater extent. Just because a job is in the private sector doesn't make it any more "proper", look at David Cameron's CV.

    There's nothing wrong with builders. I just don't want Parliament full of builders, waitresses, teachers, firemen, posties, plumbers. I think the triangle heads do a better job.
    What's up with normal people, aint we good enough for you?

    Hehe. Would you like parliament to be run by a few hundred assorted bar staff, mechanics, call centre workers, teaching assistants, porters, gardeners, salesmen, cleaners, childminders? I wouldn't.

    I may do one of the jobs I've mentioned in this thread, don't jump to conclusions pal!

  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    Can posters tone down their language, bad language, posts including those with words asterisked out, risk being deleted, repeat offenders will see their ability to instantly published revoked

    Apologies

  • R0berts said:

    R0berts said:

    R0berts said:

    Link 1 is quite damning. We have government by a well connected SPADocracy, who secure each others preferment into safe seats. Lets see which favourite gets parachuted into Shaun Woodwards constituency, and other tempting safe seats with the fast track to a ministry.

    snip

    My conclusion: we are bewitched by these over-ambitious, under-experienced but well presented kids, both at work and in politics. They need to be replaced by people who have done front line work, and who know what they are talking about. If we do not then we are f***ed.

    snip

    In fact, it would be nice to see a table of all the professions MPs had before entering parliament...

    This is intetesting-

    www.smith-institute.org.uk/file/Who-Governs-Britain.pdf

    I think I read somewhere that around 90 of our current MPs have never held a significant job, outside of politics.
    What's a "significant job"?

    Do we want more builders as MPs?
    Why not? What's wrong with builders? I presume a significant job is any job that's not wanky spaddery/ PPE/bag carrying/ intern stuff. That pretty much rules out Cameron, Clegg and Milliband.

    "Wanky spaddery bag carrying" exists in big business for Daddy's little gems / PPE tossers too though, to an even greater extent. Just because a job is in the private sector doesn't make it any more "proper", look at David Cameron's CV.

    There's nothing wrong with builders. I just don't want Parliament full of builders, waitresses, teachers, firemen, posties, plumbers. I think the triangle heads do a better job.
    What's up with normal people, aint we good enough for you?

    Hehe. Would you like parliament to be run by a few hundred assorted bar staff, mechanics, call centre workers, teaching assistants, porters, gardeners, salesmen, cleaners, childminders? I wouldn't.

    I may do one of the jobs I've mentioned in this thread, don't jump to conclusions pal!

    Again, why not? The likes of Cameron, Clegg and Milliband have hardly set the World on fire.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    I will obey.

    Can posters tone down their language, bad language, posts including those with words asterisked out, risk being deleted, repeat offenders will see their ability to instantly published revoked

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    The GOP war of the lunatics continues to escalate.
    Isaac Wright ‏@Izac_Wright 3h

    Republican civil war intensifies as Tea Party group takes aim at 87 GOP incumbents, including Boehner http://www.buzzfeed.com/katenocera/tea-party-group-will-primary-87-republican-traitors
  • R0bertsR0berts Posts: 391

    R0berts said:

    R0berts said:

    R0berts said:

    snip

    snip

    snip

    snip

    In fact, it would be nice to see a table of all the professions MPs had before entering parliament...

    This is intetesting-

    www.smith-institute.org.uk/file/Who-Governs-Britain.pdf

    I think I read somewhere that around 90 of our current MPs have never held a significant job, outside of politics.
    What's a "significant job"?

    Do we want more builders as MPs?
    Why not? What's wrong with builders? I presume a significant job is any job that's not wanky spaddery/ PPE/bag carrying/ intern stuff. That pretty much rules out Cameron, Clegg and Milliband.

    "Wanky spaddery bag carrying" exists in big business for Daddy's little gems / PPE tossers too though, to an even greater extent. Just because a job is in the private sector doesn't make it any more "proper", look at David Cameron's CV.

    There's nothing wrong with builders. I just don't want Parliament full of builders, waitresses, teachers, firemen, posties, plumbers. I think the triangle heads do a better job.
    What's up with normal people, aint we good enough for you?

    Hehe. Would you like parliament to be run by a few hundred assorted bar staff, mechanics, call centre workers, teaching assistants, porters, gardeners, salesmen, cleaners, childminders? I wouldn't.

    I may do one of the jobs I've mentioned in this thread, don't jump to conclusions pal!

    Again, why not? The likes of Cameron, Clegg and Milliband have hardly set the World on fire.
    I just think things would be even worse in the situation I mentioned. A plumber's skills are wasted scrutinising legislation.

    Or if we filled Parliament full of people from "proper jobs" running banks or mulitnationals or Daddy's firm, that would be even worse still.

  • te class="Quote" rel="foxinsoxuk">snip

    snip

    snip

    snip

    In fact, it would be nice to see a table of all the professions MPs had before entering parliament...


    This is intetesting-

    www.smith-institute.org.uk/file/Who-Governs-Britain.pdf

    I think I read somewhere that around 90 of our current MPs have never held a significant job, outside of politics.

    What's a "significant job"?

    Do we want more builders as MPs?


    Why not? What's wrong with builders? I presume a significant job is any job that's not wanky spaddery/ PPE/bag carrying/ intern stuff. That pretty much rules out Cameron, Clegg and Milliband.



    "Wanky spaddery bag carrying" exists in big business for Daddy's little gems / PPE tossers too though, to an even greater extent. Just because a job is in the private sector doesn't make it any more "proper", look at David Cameron's CV.

    There's nothing wrong with builders. I just don't want Parliament full of builders, waitresses, teachers, firemen, posties, plumbers. I think the triangle heads do a better job.


    What's up with normal people, aint we good enough for you?



    Hehe. Would you like parliament to be run by a few hundred assorted bar staff, mechanics, call centre workers, teaching assistants, porters, gardeners, salesmen, cleaners, childminders? I wouldn't.

    I may do one of the jobs I've mentioned in this thread, don't jump to conclusions pal!



    Again, why not? The likes of Cameron, Clegg and Milliband have hardly set the World on fire.


    I just think things would be even worse in the situation I mentioned. A plumber's skills are wasted scrutinising legislation.

    Or if we filled Parliament full of people from "proper jobs" running banks or mulitnationals or Daddy's firm, that would be even worse still.



    What skills have Cameron, Clegg, or Milliband got, that make them more suited to scrutinising legislation, than me, or you? Or tim? Or Foxinsoxuk?
    You'll be telling me next that we need more people like Owen Jones, Laurie Penny or their rightwing equivalents lording it over us!

  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,568
    Bobajob said:

    I think that your work outside politics is perhaps your strongest suit. It is not required to do PPE if you have mastered Diplomacy and Advanced Squad Leader!


    Nick also programmed a classic 80s computer game, the name of which somewhat regrettably now escapes me, but had me starstruck when he told me
    Thier Finest Hour. The 1980s were a good time!

  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    Bobajob said:

    I think that your work outside politics is perhaps your strongest suit. It is not required to do PPE if you have mastered Diplomacy and Advanced Squad Leader!


    Nick also programmed a classic 80s computer game, the name of which somewhat regrettably now escapes me, but had me starstruck when he told me
    Thier Finest Hour. The 1980s were a good time!

    Of course - fondly remembered!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,916
    Some good news on the economy today, but unemployment levels still above pre-Crash and wages still below inflation.

    Also, on the Tories' destruction of archived speeches, why did they not transfer them to the Bodlein Library at Oxford University, which does maintain the Tory Party Archive after all
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,916
    Kevin Rudd leaves parliament with an emotional speech, which even managed to provoke a farewell tweet from Julia Gillard

    "Best wishes to Kevin, Therese & their family as they embark on the next stage of their lives. JG"

    Abbott, although with qualification, also managed to insult John Howard which may make Johnnie less enthusiastic than he was in defending Abbott in future if he gets in trouble, perhaps with a future leadership challenge from Julie Bishop or Malcolm Turnbul

    "Much as I admire and appreciate and put on a huge pedestal his immediate predecessor (John Howard), in this respect at least, he had lacked the imagination to grasp that opportunity and the member for Griffith, Kevin, he had the decency to see that here was something that needed to be done," he said.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-13/kevin-rudd-to-retire-from-politics/5090108
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,916
    Quinnipiac 2016 general election

    •Chris Christie (R) 43% [36%] (40%) [37%]
    •Hillary Clinton (D) 42% [49%] (46%) [45%]

    •Hillary Clinton (D) 49% [50%]
    •Paul Ryan (R) 40% [38%]

    •Hillary Clinton (D) 49% [53%] (50%) {49%}
    •Rand Paul (R) 40% [36%] (38%) {41%}

    •Hillary Clinton (D) 51% [54%]
    •Ted Cruz (R) 36% [31%]
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    HYUFD said:

    Some good news on the economy today, but unemployment levels still above pre-Crash and wages still below inflation.

    Also, on the Tories' destruction of archived speeches, why did they not transfer them to the Bodlein Library at Oxford University, which does maintain the Tory Party Archive after all

    Tory archives are retained at The British Library.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,916
    PPP Maine 2016 GOP primary

    •Chris Christie 27%
    •Ted Cruz 14%
    •Jeb Bush 12%
    •Rand Paul 10%
    •Paul Ryan 9%
    •Marco Rubio 4%
    •Bobby Jindal 2%
    •Rick Santorum 1%
    •Scott Walker 1%
    •Someone else/Not sure 20%

    PPP North Carolina 2016 GOP primary

    •Chris Christie 20% (10%)
    •Jeb Bush 16% (9%)
    •Ted Cruz 12%
    •Rand Paul 12% (6%)
    •Marco Rubio 10% (21%)
    •Paul Ryan 7% (12%)
    •Bobby Jindal 6%
    •Rick Santorum 2% (5%)
    •Scott Walker 1%
    •Someone else/Not sure 13% (8%)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,916
    North Carolina 2016 general election

    •Chris Christie (R) 46%
    •Hillary Clinton (D) 43%

    •Hillary Clinton (D) 47%
    •Jeb Bush (R) 43%

    •Hillary Clinton (D) 50% (52%)
    •Rand Paul (R) 41% (40%)

    •Hillary Clinton (D) 51%
    •Ted Cruz (R) 39%
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Is it this one?
    http://www.giantbomb.com/their-finest-hour-the-battle-of-britain/3030-16397/

    And how does it compare to the excellent Stumovik IL2?
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/UBI-Soft-IL2-Sturmovik/dp/B00005NUO0
    Bobajob said:

    Bobajob said:

    I think that your work outside politics is perhaps your strongest suit. It is not required to do PPE if you have mastered Diplomacy and Advanced Squad Leader!


    Nick also programmed a classic 80s computer game, the name of which somewhat regrettably now escapes me, but had me starstruck when he told me
    Thier Finest Hour. The 1980s were a good time!

    Of course - fondly remembered!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,963
    edited November 2013
    Some YouGov polling on the North and the South for The Times

    3,783 adults polled between November 10 and November 12.

    39% of Northern Voters said they would never Vote Tory

    1 in 4 Northern Voters didn't know anyone who voted Tory

    21% said the North was represented among the Tory leadership.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,916
    Apparently the Tory Archive of speeches is still available at the British Library and steps are being taken by the Bodleian to ensure researchers can access them

    http://order-order.com/2013/11/13/entire-conservative-web-archive-still-available/
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806

    The press and media are the most socially exclusive of professions, where unpaid interns proliferate, yet lecture us on how we need to be more inclusive.

    It is one reason I no longer read the papers.

    Mr. Foxinsox, I agree, but it would be perhaps even more enlightening to consider the links between politicians and the press.


    We need fewer lawyers and more export salesmen - they should be able to make a case for British goods and services. We need fewer journalists and more technical authors - although they might have a bit of a problem writing non-fiction.

  • For Labour in the South (excluding London)

    30% said they would never vote for Labour.

    27% thought that their area was well represented among the Labour leadership.

    A quarter of voters thought that Labour stood no real chance at all there, suggesting that they regarded backing the party as a wasted vote.

    22 per cent said they did not know anyone who they thought supported or voted Labour.
  • 54% of Scots said they would never vote Tory
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Over on VoteTalk there's a hotly contested competition to see which is the best ward name in the East of England.

    The two entrants are:

    Goat Hall
    Haggard de Toni

    http://vote-2012.proboards.com/post/118303/thread
  • Significant regional variations were not found in the popularity of Tory policies.

    26k benefits cap supported by 79% of Northerners, and 85% of Southerners (excluding London)

    The commitment to reduce immigration to “tens of thousands” 83% support in both the North and the South

    Help-to-Buy scheme was backed by 63 per cent of voters in the North and 62 per cent in the South (excluding London)
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    54% of Scots said they would never vote Tory

    As low as that? That's probably about the same as in England.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Will the Coalition contest Kevin Rudd's constituency?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Bobajob said:

    I think that your work outside politics is perhaps your strongest suit. It is not required to do PPE if you have mastered Diplomacy and Advanced Squad Leader!


    Nick also programmed a classic 80s computer game, the name of which somewhat regrettably now escapes me, but had me starstruck when he told me
    Thier Finest Hour. The 1980s were a good time!

    Which computer language were you using?
  • Interesting piece in the Times

    Labour strategists expect UKIP’s share of the vote to fall significantly at a general election and want to persuade UKIP voters to back Labour rather than voting for the Tories.

    Improving the party’s message on immigration is seen as crucial.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,568
    edited November 2013
    That's the one. The key ideas as I recall were to simulate the importance of the radar net (because if you let the German take out radar stations you'd spot their raids later, and might not intercept in time) and give interesting choices in when to commit your forces and when to rest them. The bit I liked best was setting up half a dozen German strategies for the computer to select randomly, so that the player couldn't easily develop a perfect plan and had to react to what the enemy was doing this time. Even today I think the AI in games tends to be too single-minded, perhaps because developers don't sell more games by having subtle AI.

    The partnership with the programmer took a bit of work. He was good, but more used to arcade games, and thought that planes flying over bases should automatically pick up more fuel as they flew. I wonder if he did any others?

    A few years later, the much better-financed Lucasarts game with the same title came out, and I wrote to them and said oi, you're pinching my copyright. They wrote me a ferocious legal letter saying they'd sue me for disruption of trade if I dared to say another word, which in retrospect was probably a bluff. In a way I thought they were right - I couldn't reasonably claim to copyright Churchill's phrase, though arguably I did have rights to computer games of that name on that theme - and anyway I didn't have the money to argue a case, so they successfully scared me into submission.

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