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So another day and another key confrontation for TMay over when she is going to finally step down as CON leader and Prime Minister. Like all others suc key moments, it seems, she has found a way to get a key decision deferred till next week or the week after with the result that the pressure for now is offloaded. This is wonderful to watch.
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> > A question (or some ramblings) for all on PB this evening.
> > We’re two weeks away from the EU Parliamentary elections, which doesn’t fill me with joy. An elected body with only limited powers in the EU. To add to which, our returned MEPs, in theory, should only serve about four months before they are redundant. It wouldn’t be unreasonable to say that these elections could be the most pointless election I’ve ever partaken in.
> >
> > So, who do I vote for?
> >
> > I’m pretty much a Lib Dem, and tend to vote for them locally (and did last week) and often nationally but I’m also a Leaver and stopped supporting them after 2016. I don’t support No Deal (so that rules out the Brexit Party and UKIP nutters), and I don’t support Remain (so that rules out LD, Green and ChUK). I’m in England, so that also rules out any nationalist party. I probably would’ve preferred an EEA/EFTA arrangement (actually rejoining EFTA) but that ship appears to have sailed.
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> > My family, on all sides (wife and my own) being good Merseyside lot, are ‘Donkey with Red Rosette’ voters. They vote Labour because they vote Labour. But I don’t, and haven’t since 1997 and regretted it instantly after I did. I don’t want to vote Labour. I’ve no idea what they stand for on Brexit, and to be fair, I doubt they know either.
> >
> > I broadly support the Deal, see it as a way forward and all things can be negotiated later once we are out the EU. It should be a no brainer, I should vote Conservative in two weeks time.
> >
> > But on the other hand, I see the current state of that party, and of the government. A leader with an ear so tin you could give it as a 10th wedding anniversary present. Wings of the party at war with each other, the payroll vote and any other group they can find. Nutters from Dominic Grieve to Mark Francois. A tired, clapped out party nine years in government that can’t sort anything out.
> >
> > So, who do I vote for?
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> While SandyRentool's advice to consider non-Brexit issues is, of course, sound, if on the Brexit issue you are broadly supportive of the (current) formal Tory position, then a vote for them need not be taken as endorsement of their overall rank incompetence. Almost everyone is going to interpret the EP election proportions as signifiying support for the underlying Brexit position of the respective parties, so we all may as well just pick on that basis as well.
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> If not on Brexit position then there are two options as I see it. Either vote to punish a specific party most deserving of ire or try to vote for the most hilarious outcome.
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> I'm still minded to vote CUK just to encourage new parties. Plus it would be very funny if they came above either the Greens or LDs.
Spurs do it.
IMAGINE NOT LIKING FOOTBALL.
> Fuck hell.
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> Spurs do it.
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> IMAGINE NOT LIKING FOOTBALL.
Just fantastic - all english final plus possible Chelsea v Arsenal tomorrow
> Fuck hell.
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> Spurs do it.
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> IMAGINE NOT LIKING FOOTBALL.
I don't.
Can we not do it on here please?
This is a political betting site.
> > @TheScreamingEagles said:
> > Fuck hell.
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> > Spurs do it.
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> > IMAGINE NOT LIKING FOOTBALL.
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> I don't.
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> Can we not do it on here please?
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> This is a political betting site.
Just imagine Big Ben has struck 10 and Dimbleby says it’s a landslide for Corbyn. That’s where I am right now.
England's semi final for that is less than a week after the Liverpool v Spurs Champions League final, cannot see any Liverpool or Spurs players being ready for those England matches.
I think Harold Wilson is the last PM to voluntarily go and even then it may have been increasingly poor health that drove that decision.
It's a matter of endorsing the right strategy and policy for me, and not punishing or rewarding the bad behaviour of the minority.
> > @TheScreamingEagles said:
> > Fuck hell.
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> > Spurs do it.
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> > IMAGINE NOT LIKING FOOTBALL.
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> I don't.
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> Can we not do it on here please?
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> This is a political betting site.
English football is currently playing yang to Brexit's yin. Political enough?
That said, one can praise positive qualities even in a villain (and May is more tragic than villainous despite authoring many a misfortune), and it is impressive she is still there, howeve weakened. Given we know many in Cabinet want to replace her and do not like things she has proposed, the fact they are still there and have not majorly split in recent months suggests that they really do believe, as she does, that alternative options are even worse. That says something about May, however much she cannot get us out of this hole.
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> @Casino_Royale said:
> > @TheScreamingEagles said:
> > Fuck hell.
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> > Spurs do it.
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> > IMAGINE NOT LIKING FOOTBALL.
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> I don't.
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> Can we not do it on here please?
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> This is a political betting site.
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Tough, diversions are the name of the game here. First football, then not Cricket, F1, classical history, gardening or, god forbid, puns. Lighten up.
Well done THFC.
> JOHNNY MERCER HAS LEFT THE TORY PARTY
To join another?
> JOHNNY MERCER HAS LEFT THE TORY PARTY IN ALL BUT NAME
Where has he gone
> I gave May plenty of credit for a long time but she passed the point of usefulness some time ago and her resilience has gone from a virtue into a vice.
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> That said, one can praise positive qualities even in a villain (and May is more tragic than villainous despite authoring many a misfortune), and it is impressive she is still there, howeve weakened. Given we know many in Cabinet want to replace her and do not like things she has proposed, the fact they are still there and have not majorly split in recent months suggests that they really do believe, as she does, that alternative options are even worse. That says something about May, however much she cannot get us out of this hole.
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> > @Casino_Royale said:
> > > @TheScreamingEagles said:
> > > Fuck hell.
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> > > Spurs do it.
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> > > IMAGINE NOT LIKING FOOTBALL.
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> > I don't.
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> > Can we not do it on here please?
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> > This is a political betting site.
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> Tough, diversions are the name of the game here. First football, then not Cricket, F1, classical history, gardening or, god forbid, puns. Lighten up.
The rhetorical question was put: I answered it.
I am light but have zero interest in football and - quite frankly - hate the sport.
There are plenty of places all over the Internet to be bored to tears by football chat.
apologies for rude word in tweet, but it made me laugh.
> JOHNNY MERCER HAS LEFT THE TORY PARTY IN ALL BUT NAME
So much for future leader. The Tory-DUP majority now at, what, 1? I see he even clarifies he won't back any non-Brexit legislation (even if he supports it I guess) until his specific demands are met.
> JOHNNY MERCER HAS LEFT THE TORY PARTY IN ALL BUT NAME
He's become the first MP for the British Legion....
> Not quite - but resigned the whip for the time being.
Blast. That's that bet down the toilet.
> > @TheScreamingEagles said:
> > JOHNNY MERCER HAS LEFT THE TORY PARTY IN ALL BUT NAME
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> So much for future leader. The Tory-DUP majority now at, what, 1? I see he even clarifies he won't back any non-Brexit legislation (even if he supports it I guess) until his specific demands are met.
Time to lose the whip then
> > @Tissue_Price said:
> > Not quite - but resigned the whip for the time being.
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> Blast. That's that bet down the toilet.
Dunno, it might make him more popular with the members. But I never thought</a> he had the support amongst MPs anyway: http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/04/15/the-next-generation-the-best-outside-bet-for-the-tory-crown/
> Barca, then Ajax? Cruyff will be turning in his grave.
Sending the fullback the wrong way as he turns?
I'll be in Spain for three days for the final whilst I'm supposed to be editing PB whilst Mike's on holiday in France.
> > @TheScreamingEagles said:
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> > JOHNNY MERCER HAS LEFT THE TORY PARTY
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> To join another?
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> He'll be voting only for Brexit, he'll be voting against the government on all other business until they stop prosecuting veterans.
Always been a mystery to me why the DUP didn't insist on an amnesty for all British soldiers' actions in NI from May as part of the price of their support.
> > @kle4 said:
> > I gave May plenty of credit for a long time but she passed the point of usefulness some time ago and her resilience has gone from a virtue into a vice.
> >
> > That said, one can praise positive qualities even in a villain (and May is more tragic than villainous despite authoring many a misfortune), and it is impressive she is still there, howeve weakened. Given we know many in Cabinet want to replace her and do not like things she has proposed, the fact they are still there and have not majorly split in recent months suggests that they really do believe, as she does, that alternative options are even worse. That says something about May, however much she cannot get us out of this hole.
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> > > @Casino_Royale said:
> > > > @TheScreamingEagles said:
> > > > Fuck hell.
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> > > > Spurs do it.
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> > > > IMAGINE NOT LIKING FOOTBALL.
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> > > I don't.
> > >
> > > Can we not do it on here please?
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> > > This is a political betting site.
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> > Tough, diversions are the name of the game here. First football, then not Cricket, F1, classical history, gardening or, god forbid, puns. Lighten up.
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> The rhetorical question was put: I answered it.
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And I answered you. And no, you didn't just answer a rhetorical question about football, you then added a request, however lightly, that it not be discussed here. That's not an answer to the question of whether people like football.
Get bored by football all you like, no need to get on a high horse about it. People were going on about snooker the other day for heaven's sake, each to their own.
> > @TheScreamingEagles said:
> > JOHNNY MERCER HAS LEFT THE TORY PARTY IN ALL BUT NAME
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> So much for future leader. The Tory-DUP majority now at, what, 1? I see he even clarifies he won't back any non-Brexit legislation (even if he supports it I guess) until his specific demands are met.
Official majority now 3 I believe. It is difficult to keep up. Went to 5 when Onasanya was kicked out.
What was the issue with the chief whip ?
> There’s something of the great cricketing defensive batting displays about May. She has one or two shots and is grinding out an innings
Unfortunately they need 250 to win on the final day, and she's reached lunch unbeaten on 12.
> > @kle4 said:
> > > @TheScreamingEagles said:
> > > JOHNNY MERCER HAS LEFT THE TORY PARTY IN ALL BUT NAME
> >
> > So much for future leader. The Tory-DUP majority now at, what, 1? I see he even clarifies he won't back any non-Brexit legislation (even if he supports it I guess) until his specific demands are met.
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> Time to lose the whip then
Err, yes that seems to be his objection, the Tory whips.
His performance on HIGNFY showed he is not interested in career progression.
> There’s something of the great cricketing defensive batting displays about May. She has one or two shots and is grinding out an innings
Seems like one of those really slow centuries in a one day game which is impressive but ruins any chance of the team catching a big total. Of course, those who never came on insist they would have gotten the runs easily, but will never need to prove it is not all talk.
I appreciate that historical prosecutions are a difficult issue for all involved. There is a need for justice to be seen to be done - again for all involved. The passage of time makes that very hard to achieve - but it is right to try.
He seems to want legislation to prevent prosecutions of any service personnel. And that is just not acceptable.
If crimes were committed then it is right for that to be tested in the courts - no matter who committed them.
There are no easy answers to complicated cases - but if the evidence exist, the charges must be laid and juries asked to reach a verdict.
Blanket immunity does no-one any good.
> There’s something of the great cricketing defensive batting displays about May. She has one or two shots and is grinding out an innings
Moycs..
> https://twitter.com/Matt_Lawton_DM/status/1126232701164576769
Two teams who last won the league when Thatcher was PM and Churchill was alive.
#europeancarabaocup
> https://twitter.com/Matt_Lawton_DM/status/1126232701164576769
Bit like Brexit then.......
> > @TheScreamingEagles said:
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> > Fuck hell.
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> > Spurs do it.
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> > IMAGINE NOT LIKING FOOTBALL.
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> I don't.
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> Can we not do it on here please?
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> This is a political betting site.
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> "This is PB.com, darling. People get away with everything!"
I think I'll be off for the night.
If as he says it is raking over existing or extant evidence to bring back soldiers to court then he has a point. He is also right in saying there's barely a soldier who doesn't want those who break the law to face the consequences.
A bit of digging is in order.
> Maybot..., sticking like sh1t to a blanket...
And about as welcome
I mean that's the case for everything about this Government at the moment, isn't it?
> Mercer's position is somewhat capricious.
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> I appreciate that historical prosecutions are a difficult issue for all involved. There is a need for justice to be seen to be done - again for all involved. The passage of time makes that very hard to achieve - but it is right to try.
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> He seems to want legislation to prevent prosecutions of any service personnel. And that is just not acceptable.
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> If crimes were committed then it is right for that to be tested in the courts - no matter who committed them.
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> There are no easy answers to complicated cases - but if the evidence exist, the charges must be laid and juries asked to reach a verdict.
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> Blanket immunity does no-one any good.
Indeed. What is he saying? That no crime, however egregious, should be prosecuted? How does this help discipline in the Armed Forces? Are they a law unto themselves?
There are words for that kind of society.
I realise I exaggerate for effect, but a line must be drawn somewhere.
Spurs took Ajax to the cleaners.
I'm here all night.
> Spurs wiped the floor with Ajax.
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> Spurs took Ajax to the cleaners.
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> I'm here all night.
Old ones are always the best ones.
> CL final - what price a stultifying 0-0 decided on a bad miss in the penalty shoot out.
Who will win? The Argentinian or the German?
> > @oxfordsimon said:
> > Mercer's position is somewhat capricious.
> >
> > I appreciate that historical prosecutions are a difficult issue for all involved. There is a need for justice to be seen to be done - again for all involved. The passage of time makes that very hard to achieve - but it is right to try.
> >
> > He seems to want legislation to prevent prosecutions of any service personnel. And that is just not acceptable.
> >
> > If crimes were committed then it is right for that to be tested in the courts - no matter who committed them.
> >
> > There are no easy answers to complicated cases - but if the evidence exist, the charges must be laid and juries asked to reach a verdict.
> >
> > Blanket immunity does no-one any good.
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> Indeed. What is he saying? That no crime, however egregious, should be prosecuted? How does this help discipline in the Armed Forces? Are they a law unto themselves?
> There are words for that kind of society.
> I realise I exaggerate for effect, but a line must be drawn somewhere.
No-one wants to see retired soldiers dragged through the courts without good reason. Just as we wouldn't want to see a member of any other community.
But you cannot give an amnesty. There may be cases to be answered - and answered they must be.
It requires hard work on the part of the investigators and the prosecuting authorities. And no interference from any member of Government.
Boom ‘tish
The question for which leadership contender is he an outrider for?
My money is on Gove.
> CL final - what price a stultifying 0-0 decided on a bad miss in the penalty shoot out.
Probably.
But as we've seen, games over two legs can be thrilling, so maybe we should have finals over two legs...?
> I haven't looked at the issue he has "resigned" over.
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> If as he says it is raking over existing or extant evidence to bring back soldiers to court then he has a point. He is also right in saying there's barely a soldier who doesn't want those who break the law to face the consequences.
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> A bit of digging is in order.
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> I think it’s basically historical prosecutions on marginal evidence that sometimes takes 3-4 years to investigate while elderly men are under caution
You could say much the same about some other historical prosecutions. How can evidence and witnesses from decades ago be accurate? Perhaps we need a statute of limitations on such things.
> twitter.com/PeterHoskinsTV/status/1126238006501892098
Won't he just ignore it? According to a video I watched today, apparently they really can't do much, other than ask the Barr to prosecute him, which he won't do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csj9vMCd4GA
> https://twitter.com/Kashe_13/status/1126235944288509954
Synchronised Diving.....
Not a Spurs player near any of them.
> > @FrancisUrquhart said:
> > https://twitter.com/Kashe_13/status/1126235944288509954
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> Synchronised Diving.....
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> Not a Spurs player near any of them.
When I first saw that photo, I wondered if it was a recent photo from a charity match Roy Keane played in.
https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1126236859686957056?s=19
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7007835/Conservative-MP-Johnny-Mercer-goes-strike-against-Theresa-protest-Tory-dirty-tricks.html
His letter is a bit too vague.
> The football gods are giving us a hint.....
...you are better than Europe.