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edited October 2013 in General

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Pillgwenlly on Newport (Lab Defence)
Result of last council election (2012): Lab 37, Con 10, Ind 2, Lib Dem 1 (Labour overall majority of 24)
Result of ward at last election (2012): Emboldened denotes elected
Labour 756, 703 (64%)
Conservative 306 (14%)
Plaid Cymru 277 (12%)
Liberal Democrats 150, 71 (10%)
Candidates duly nominated:

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  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,047
    OT. Michael Crick says this raises enormous questions about David Cameron's judgement.........................
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Roger said:

    OT. Michael Crick says this raises enormous questions about David Cameron's judgement.........................

    As was pointed out on the previous thread. Some morons can't follow simple rules.

  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,047
    @Carlotta

    "Mark Textor coming up on C4 news."

    The problem with appointing a PR man as PM is that they vastly overrate the selling and underrate the product.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Happy Halloween!

    *tears of laughter etc.*

    LOL
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    This election looks on a knife edge if Lab can hold this they are nailed on.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    TGOHF said:

    This election looks on a knife edge if Lab can hold this they are nailed on.

    lol.

    If they lose this,they might as well deregister themselves.
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    Looks unlikely Labour will be spooked in Newport.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Bobajob said:

    Looks unlikely Labour will be spooked in Newport.

    I see what you did there ..
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    TGOHF said:

    This election looks on a knife edge if Lab can hold this they are nailed on.

    The Tories haven't a ghost of a chance.

  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    That's a monster majority for Labour.
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    Only skeleton staff required at the count.
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    The Plaid Cymru candidate might be hitting the spirits later.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Bobajob said:

    Looks unlikely Labour will be spooked in Newport.

    Newpoort.....

  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    TGOHF said:

    Bobajob said:

    Looks unlikely Labour will be spooked in Newport.

    I see what you did there ..
    You saw straight through me
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Unusually for Wales , this is an Asian dominated ward but I don't think that it is so to the same extent that it would be if it were in Bradford or Birmingham .
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    Bobajob said:

    Looks unlikely Labour will be spooked in Newport.

    Newpoort.....

    Can't you spell? :)
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Bobajob said:

    Only skeleton staff required at the count.

    That works even better if you capitalise Count.
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    This election is unlikely to be a thriller
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    Labour has lost its soul...
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    Unusually for Wales , this is an Asian dominated ward but I don't think that it is so to the same extent that it would be if it were in Bradford or Birmingham .

    Sounds like a stake through the heart for the Liberals Mark
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,047
    @Spyn

    "Labour has lost its soul..."

    And if you're watching Channel 4 News the Tories have sold theirs to two Australians and one American. How offensive is that!!
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited October 2013
    FPT Lifeinamarkettown pointed out that the Unite "leverage strategy" of taking the fight to director's front doors and families may be of questionable legality:

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1992/52/section/241

    241 Intimidation or annoyance by violence or otherwise.

    (1)A person commits an offence who, with a view to compelling another person to abstain from doing or to do any act which that person has a legal right to do or abstain from doing, wrongfully and without legal authority—

    (a)uses violence to or intimidates that person or his [F1spouse or civil partner]F1 or children, or injures his property,

    (b)persistently follows that person about from place to place,

    (c)hides any tools, clothes or other property owned or used by that person, or deprives him of or hinders him in the use thereof,

    (d)watches or besets the house or other place where that person resides, works, carries on business or happens to be, or the approach to any such house or place, or

    (e)follows that person with two or more other persons in a disorderly manner in or through any street or road.

    (2)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or both.
  • SMukesh said:
    Looks like sub-samples, for what it's worth...
  • @malcolmg FPT
    malcolmg said:


    kevin, You are obviously believing the false data that Yes put out or reading the wrong things. The points you claim have dissolved is bollocks, we are in and will remain in the EU, we will use the pound which is currently our currency and will remain so, and on and on and on.

    I'll confess I haven't been following all the arguments closely but the distinct impression I have is that the Yes side will make some claim about post-independence Scotland which then gets rather watered down under questioning.

    On the EU membership a quick web search suggests to me that 'The SNP have claimed that Scotland would automatically remain part of the EU after independence (see here), but in reality 'a change of treaties would be required - needing the approval of other members' (link). If those two stories are accurate then the SNP claim wasn't correct, and I'm sure there have been a few other similar cases. In my view, of course...
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Bobajob said:

    Bobajob said:

    Looks unlikely Labour will be spooked in Newport.

    Newpoort.....

    Can't you spell? :)
    Can't you read? It's the spelling in the thread header.....

  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    edited October 2013
    @roger - soul as in context Halloween, All Saints Day, All Soul's Day...

  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    FPT Lifeinamarkettown pointed out that the Unite "leverage strategy" of taking the fight to director's front doors and families may be of questionable legality:

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1992/52/section/241

    241 Intimidation or annoyance by violence or otherwise.

    (1)A person commits an offence who, with a view to compelling another person to abstain from doing or to do any act which that person has a legal right to do or abstain from doing, wrongfully and without legal authority—

    (a)uses violence to or intimidates that person or his [F1spouse or civil partner]F1 or children, or injures his property,

    (b)persistently follows that person about from place to place,

    (c)hides any tools, clothes or other property owned or used by that person, or deprives him of or hinders him in the use thereof,

    (d)watches or besets the house or other place where that person resides, works, carries on business or happens to be, or the approach to any such house or place, or

    (e)follows that person with two or more other persons in a disorderly manner in or through any street or road.

    (2)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or both.

    If I were in charge of persuading the site that these Falkirk/Unite developments are a non-story, I'd be so grateful for the respite of a temporary posting ban that I might even deliberately engineer one.

    I think we have witnessed a professional foul this afternoon.

  • Sorry: Should it not be All Hallows' Eve...?
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Good news for flyers!

    The FAA today annunced that you can read your kindle, play games on your tablet, and listen to your ipod from gate to gate - no more turn off for takeoff and landing. You can connect to inflight wifi but phones etc must be in airplane mode.
  • Ishmael_X said:

    FPT Lifeinamarkettown pointed out that the Unite "leverage strategy" of taking the fight to director's front doors and families may be of questionable legality:

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1992/52/section/241

    241 Intimidation or annoyance by violence or otherwise.

    (1)A person commits an offence who, with a view to compelling another person to abstain from doing or to do any act which that person has a legal right to do or abstain from doing, wrongfully and without legal authority—

    (a)uses violence to or intimidates that person or his [F1spouse or civil partner]F1 or children, or injures his property,

    (b)persistently follows that person about from place to place,

    (c)hides any tools, clothes or other property owned or used by that person, or deprives him of or hinders him in the use thereof,

    (d)watches or besets the house or other place where that person resides, works, carries on business or happens to be, or the approach to any such house or place, or

    (e)follows that person with two or more other persons in a disorderly manner in or through any street or road.

    (2)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or both.

    If I were in charge of persuading the site that these Falkirk/Unite developments are a non-story, I'd be so grateful for the respite of a temporary posting ban that I might even deliberately engineer one.

    I think we have witnessed a professional foul this afternoon.



    A very acute observatoin.
    Although I'd classify it as a self-inflicted wound ( SIW ) or self-wound rather than a professional foul.

    " The most common reason enlisted soldiers self-wound is to render themselves unable to continue serving in combat, thus resulting in their removal from the combat line to a hospital. Thus, self-injury can be used to avoid a more serious combat injury or a combat death. "



  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    LOL

    RT @GeneralBoles: Great reception trick or treating #labourdoorstep
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    Non story - looks like Straw didn't get the message.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24724670
  • Roger said:
    Damn! I was going to post that!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,574
    Sadiq Khan 12-1 for next Mayor of London with Bet365 -I know I've joined the party little and late, but I note it is the only (candidate with genuine hope) that Shadsy is not offering best price on. Make of that what you will.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    edited October 2013
    Isabel Hardman at the Coffee House Blog - Labour announces its ‘message’ on HS2 is clear… but is it?
    Twitter
    Isabel Hardman ‏@IsabelHardman 3m
    Labour types keen to stress that *both* Eds weren't present at HS2 vote as it was just a one-line whip.
  • dr_spyn said:

    Non story - looks like Straw didn't get the message.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24724670

    If Unte has been involved in vote rigging then we are in deep waters ;

    " Ed Miliband led in the trade unions and affiliated organisations third of the electoral college (19.93% of the total to David's 13.40%), but in both the MPs and MEPs section (15.52% to 17.81%), and Constituency Labour Party section (15.20% to 18.14%), came second. In the final round, Ed Miliband won with a total of 175,519 votes to David's 147,220 votes. "

  • Bobajob said:

    Bobajob said:

    Looks unlikely Labour will be spooked in Newport.

    Newpoort.....

    Can't you spell? :)
    Can't you read? It's the spelling in the thread header.....

    Maybe that's the Dutch spelling :)
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    BBC News - David Cameron: Unite leveraging allegations 'shocking'
    "The prime minister has described allegations that Unite union members targeted the homes of Grangemouth refinery managers as "quite shocking".

    The row follows claims by an Ineos director that a "mob" was sent by Unite to his home to intimidate him during the recent dispute.

    David Cameron called on the Labour Party to investigate the claims about the union, which is its largest donor."
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    I've been all over the world, and Pillgwenlly is the only place I've been mugged. On the High Street, in daylight. It's a shithole, and a pretty scary place too. Labour nailed on.

    And I say that as a Valley boy who was given a lump of coal for Christmas each year.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    edited October 2013
    Twitter
    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 57m
    Good #c4news interview on now. He's trying hard, but @krishgm isn't laying a glove on @markatextor.
  • Who said us folk in The Netherlands were level-headed?

    http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21588960-debate-holiday-tradition-exposes-racial-attitudes-zwarte-piet-racism

    What next: Banning Rastafari...?
  • R0bertsR0berts Posts: 391

    Sorry: Should it not be All Hallows' Eve...?

    Absolutely!

    I for one am tonight celebrating the last Harvest and welcoming in the long dark days celebrating the forgotten.

    None of this cheap scary plastic mask made by "wealth creators" in the far east bollox. About time we got back to our Pagan roots in this country.
  • R0bertsR0berts Posts: 391
    fitalass said:

    Twitter
    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 57m
    Good #c4news interview on now. He's trying hard, but @krishgm isn't laying a glove on @markatextor.

    Murdoch lacky supports Cameron appointee shocker.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    FPT (Nighthawks)

    @Plato
    Plato said:
    It is an interesting article, and an interesting exercise in spin. Blame the workshy doctors!

    But the NAO report on which it is all based is to be found here:

    http://www.nao.org.uk/press-releases/emergency-admissions-hospital-managing-demand/

    Hardly mentions the Consultant Contract as a factor, and does indeed give a much more nuanced view, particularly striking are figure 3; which shows that in England admission rates rose from 2004, and have levelled off from 2010, when standardised for age.

    Figure 2 shows the number of available beds dropping by over 30% over a decade.

    Figure 14 shows how the 4 hour target affects admission rates, even more dramatically than I expected

    Figure 4 shows how Leicester and Leicestershire have some of the lowest age corrected admission rates in the country, yet at our Emergency Department in Leicester Royal Infirmary we have one of the worst 4 hour performances in the country.

    It would seem that every complex problem has an easy solution - which is simple but wrong! tim suggests that the A/E figures have deteriorated because of tory cuts to social services, yet we see in Leicester the paradox that low admission rates go in parallel with poor performance at the 4 hour target.

    Indeed it is tempting to draw the conclusion that the Leicester Hospitals manage to keep the number of admissions down precisely because they are less prone to admit patients to meet targets, and would rather have a patient discharged after 5 hours in the ED rather than admitted for a night!

  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    Fenster said:

    I've been all over the world, and Pillgwenlly is the only place I've been mugged. On the High Street, in daylight. It's a shithole, and a pretty scary place too. Labour nailed on.

    And I say that as a Valley boy who was given a lump of coal for Christmas each year.

    Is Pill really that scary? (I'm a Newport boy, maybe it's not as obvious to me).
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Fenster said:

    I've been all over the world, and Pillgwenlly is the only place I've been mugged. On the High Street, in daylight. It's a shithole, and a pretty scary place too. Labour nailed on.

    And I say that as a Valley boy who was given a lump of coal for Christmas each year.

    You got coal at least. Many only got coke.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    UKIP not standing, so no interest unless the bogyman wins.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    @yokel fpt "In a separate development, a large explosion at a Syrian army base has been reported outside the coastal city of Latakia. A White House official said Israeli warplanes carried out the attack overnight, but he provided no details, the Associated Press news agency reports. It says another security official said the target was Russian-made SA-125 missiles."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24754460
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Every night in Shoreditch is trick or treat.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    corporeal said:

    Fenster said:

    I've been all over the world, and Pillgwenlly is the only place I've been mugged. On the High Street, in daylight. It's a shithole, and a pretty scary place too. Labour nailed on.

    And I say that as a Valley boy who was given a lump of coal for Christmas each year.

    Is Pill really that scary? (I'm a Newport boy, maybe it's not as obvious to me).
    Yep, the main drag just south of the Royal Gwent Hospital is intimidating. Drugs, illegal immigrants, poverty. Scary.

    Our rugby club was playing Pill in a sponsored game a few years back and me and my mate Scotty wandered through the housing estate to get cigarettes from a shop. Got held up by a couple of skinny Africans dudes on the way back - frazzled on drugs - and had to hand over some cash. I just gave them a tenner rather than put up a fight. They probably would've stabbed us.

    Then we legged it back to the rugby game, giggling like kids. It was a Saturday afternoon in broad daylight with loads of people. Quite a weird experience. Intimidating place for dumb white boys like us!

  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    Bobajob said:

    Bobajob said:

    Looks unlikely Labour will be spooked in Newport.

    Newpoort.....

    Can't you spell? :)
    Can't you read? It's the spelling in the thread header.....

    It was supposed to be a Halloween pun
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    fitalass said:

    Isabel Hardman at the Coffee House Blog - Labour announces its ‘message’ on HS2 is clear… but is it?
    Twitter
    Isabel Hardman ‏@IsabelHardman 3m
    Labour types keen to stress that *both* Eds weren't present at HS2 vote as it was just a one-line whip.

    Rather restricts their ability to make a big political issue of opposing it later, although I assume that's not the plan. I expect points about overspend and management, which I think is the right line for Labour to adopt (and seems to be what they will do).
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Are you an nhs manager Sox? Or a GP
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    Fenster said:

    corporeal said:

    Fenster said:

    I've been all over the world, and Pillgwenlly is the only place I've been mugged. On the High Street, in daylight. It's a shithole, and a pretty scary place too. Labour nailed on.

    And I say that as a Valley boy who was given a lump of coal for Christmas each year.

    Is Pill really that scary? (I'm a Newport boy, maybe it's not as obvious to me).
    Yep, the main drag just south of the Royal Gwent Hospital is intimidating. Drugs, illegal immigrants, poverty. Scary.

    Our rugby club was playing Pill in a sponsored game a few years back and me and my mate Scotty wandered through the housing estate to get cigarettes from a shop. Got held up by a couple of skinny Africans dudes on the way back - frazzled on drugs - and had to hand over some cash. I just gave them a tenner rather than put up a fight. They probably would've stabbed us.

    Then we legged it back to the rugby game, giggling like kids. It was a Saturday afternoon in broad daylight with loads of people. Quite a weird experience. Intimidating place for dumb white boys like us!

    I spent a couple of seasons playing for Pill Harriers youth team a while back.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    edited October 2013
    Wish I'd thought of this:

    '!!! RT @Kent_999s: ORPINGTON: Mother upset after girl, 9, allegedly given real heart tonight while trick or treating. pic.twitter.com/UTv3AXm7NR' chrisdeerin
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Neither. I am a hospital doctor.

    But I do meet with managers and GPs fairly frequently, and understand their positions.

    OldKingCole is a former NHS manager, I believe.

    Where there is people, there is politics, and I do enjoy both national and immediate work politicking.
    Freggles said:

    Are you an nhs manager Sox? Or a GP

  • MikeK said:

    UKIP not standing, so no interest unless the bogyman wins.


    MikeK

    I saw your link from an earlier thread about Hillary's popularity dip. Thanks for that.

    I was surprised at the drop, because she's had mainly good publicity lately and the Benghazi thing is old and never amounted to much in the first place. On reading the article, I should say that the drop reflects a general disenchantment with Politicos following the debt-crisis impasse. None of the buggers won any plaudits over it.

    She remains head and shoulders above any other possible Democrat candidate, and a tough opponent for whoever the GOP pick.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Interesting, I work in the NHS but not quite as a manager just yet.
  • @Roberts

    "About time we got back to our Pagan roots in this country. ..."

    Indeed. Here in Essex we will be sacrificing a virgin....if we can find one.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    corporeal said:

    Fenster said:

    corporeal said:

    Fenster said:

    I've been all over the world, and Pillgwenlly is the only place I've been mugged. On the High Street, in daylight. It's a shithole, and a pretty scary place too. Labour nailed on.

    And I say that as a Valley boy who was given a lump of coal for Christmas each year.

    Is Pill really that scary? (I'm a Newport boy, maybe it's not as obvious to me).
    Yep, the main drag just south of the Royal Gwent Hospital is intimidating. Drugs, illegal immigrants, poverty. Scary.

    Our rugby club was playing Pill in a sponsored game a few years back and me and my mate Scotty wandered through the housing estate to get cigarettes from a shop. Got held up by a couple of skinny Africans dudes on the way back - frazzled on drugs - and had to hand over some cash. I just gave them a tenner rather than put up a fight. They probably would've stabbed us.

    Then we legged it back to the rugby game, giggling like kids. It was a Saturday afternoon in broad daylight with loads of people. Quite a weird experience. Intimidating place for dumb white boys like us!

    I spent a couple of seasons playing for Pill Harriers youth team a while back.
    Ah! Good man. Back around 2003 we played them in the old Welsh Cup, and Pill had a centre - I'm sure you'd know him, I can't think of his name - with a drop-handle moustache. A massive, hard bugger (you have to be hard to have a drop-handle) who was a good player too. Word was that he was the 'hardest man in Newport'. I think he was a bit of a legend around the Newport scene. I can still feel him smashing in to me now. He looked mean.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    MikeK said:

    UKIP not standing, so no interest unless the bogyman wins.


    MikeK

    I saw your link from an earlier thread about Hillary's popularity dip. Thanks for that.

    I was surprised at the drop, because she's had mainly good publicity lately and the Benghazi thing is old and never amounted to much in the first place. On reading the article, I should say that the drop reflects a general disenchantment with Politicos following the debt-crisis impasse. None of the buggers won any plaudits over it.

    She remains head and shoulders above any other possible Democrat candidate, and a tough opponent for whoever the GOP pick.
    I know you are interested in Hilary and you may have money on her, so i'll let you know what I can glean. I still have the strongest suspicion that HC wont run.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    @Roberts

    "About time we got back to our Pagan roots in this country. ..."

    Indeed. Here in Essex we will be sacrificing a virgin....if we can find one.

    Good luck with that :-)
  • R0bertsR0berts Posts: 391

    @Roberts

    "About time we got back to our Pagan roots in this country. ..."

    Indeed. Here in Essex we will be sacrificing a virgin....if we can find one.

    I think that joke originated in Pagan times, if not before.
  • @MikeK

    " I still have the strongest suspicion that HC wont run. "

    Fairy nuff, Mike, but is it just based on a gut feeling?

    You haven't been messing with the sheep's entrails again, have you?
  • R0berts said:

    @Roberts

    "About time we got back to our Pagan roots in this country. ..."

    Indeed. Here in Essex we will be sacrificing a virgin....if we can find one.

    I think that joke originated in Pagan times, if not before.
    Joke? You ever been to Essex?

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    I think OldKingCole used to work in PCT Commissioning.

    I do some managing in my medical role, but we doctors are rather safer in this.

    If I fall out with the powers that be (which is rare because on the whole I think the Leicester Hospitals are well run) then the biggest risk is being busted back to the front line, seeing patients rather than going to meetings. Hardly a punishment at all! I can therefore afford to be beligerent when I need to be.

    Proper NHS managers do not have that security, so are much more vulnerable to pressures, often from external sources.

    But like most politicians, NHS staff are generally well intentioned, just seeing the world from different perspectives, and the conflicts get overheated as a result.


    Freggles said:

    Interesting, I work in the NHS but not quite as a manager just yet.

  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    Floater said:

    @Roberts

    "About time we got back to our Pagan roots in this country. ..."

    Indeed. Here in Essex we will be sacrificing a virgin....if we can find one.

    Good luck with that :-)
    How does one go about procuring a virgin?

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Steady on!


    This isn't TOTP!
    Bobajob said:

    Floater said:

    @Roberts

    "About time we got back to our Pagan roots in this country. ..."

    Indeed. Here in Essex we will be sacrificing a virgin....if we can find one.

    Good luck with that :-)
    How does one go about procuring a virgin?

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Good evening, everyone.

    There used to be a pair of Virgins in F1. They didn't last long, though.
  • Bobajob said:

    Floater said:

    @Roberts

    "About time we got back to our Pagan roots in this country. ..."

    Indeed. Here in Essex we will be sacrificing a virgin....if we can find one.

    Good luck with that :-)
    How does one go about procuring a virgin?

    No comment :)
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    R0berts said:

    @Roberts

    "About time we got back to our Pagan roots in this country. ..."

    Indeed. Here in Essex we will be sacrificing a virgin....if we can find one.

    I think that joke originated in Pagan times, if not before.
    Joke? You ever been to Essex?

    I think that its time to dust off my story about playing at a p*ker tourney in Essex

    Absolutely seriously a girl at my table said she was thinking of getting a personalised number plate....... NE 1 4 ABJ...................

    Another lady said why not go for "5lut"


    It went downhill from there

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,854
    Floater said:

    R0berts said:

    @Roberts

    "About time we got back to our Pagan roots in this country. ..."

    Indeed. Here in Essex we will be sacrificing a virgin....if we can find one.

    I think that joke originated in Pagan times, if not before.
    Joke? You ever been to Essex?

    I think that its time to dust off my story about playing at a p*ker tourney in Essex

    Absolutely seriously a girl at my table said she was thinking of getting a personalised number plate....... NE 1 4 ABJ...................

    Another lady said why not go for "5lut"


    It went downhill from there

    I would normally defend my home county, but travelling on the bus with teenage school puils from a couple of prestigious selective school in our County city I've heard conversations which have surprised me.
    We never compared blow-jobs when I rode the school bus in the 50's!
    Mind, doesn't mean the girls aren't virgins!
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    PtP

    Three critical questions about Clinton:

    1. Is she or can she do warm fuzzy folksy?
    2. In the absence of that can she do such rhetoric, Obama style, and cover up the fact she is an elitist just as Obama is, as opposed to a Romney who couldn't do such rhetoric and exude warm fuzzy feelings?
    3. Would she considered 'a good man'

    To me, these are three strong pre-requisite qualities in a POTUS candidate that really boost chances of success. Unlike her husband, the above qualities may not be her scene. Thats why at this point she couldn't carry my money at her odds, formidable operator as she is.

    MikeK , I noticed the media now has plenty on the Israeli hit on the Syrian facility on the Med coast. The stories about a 2nd hit last night in Damascus should be treated with caution at this point though. The Israelis were possibly involved in something a few nights ago in Damascus but stories of a strike last night in the city are far from firm.

    The Americans are unhappy, hence the leaks from them to the media confirming the Lattakia attack, but the Israelis always take care of their own priorities first.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,854

    I think OldKingCole used to work in PCT Commissioning.

    I do some managing in my medical role, but we doctors are rather safer in this.

    If I fall out with the powers that be (which is rare because on the whole I think the Leicester Hospitals are well run) then the biggest risk is being busted back to the front line, seeing patients rather than going to meetings. Hardly a punishment at all! I can therefore afford to be beligerent when I need to be.

    Proper NHS managers do not have that security, so are much more vulnerable to pressures, often from external sources.

    But like most politicians, NHS staff are generally well intentioned, just seeing the world from different perspectives, and the conflicts get overheated as a result.




    Freggles said:

    Interesting, I work in the NHS but not quite as a manager just yet.

    Not quite, Dr Fox (or is it Mr) I worked as a Prescribing Advisor. I led a small team, responsible to the Commissioning Manager. It was a small PCT so I was part-time, the rest of my time being split between teaching nurse prescribers and inspecting Nursing Homes. And one or two other things!

    If I hadn't had a conscience I could have spent the whole time out of the office, claiming to be somewhere else!
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    I was thinking of being a lyricist tonight by transposing the old Frankie and Johnny were lovers song with different names starting with R and A, but I thought that the moderator might object.

    Very scary, are high profile court cases and not only on Halloween.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Floater said:

    R0berts said:

    @Roberts

    "About time we got back to our Pagan roots in this country. ..."

    Indeed. Here in Essex we will be sacrificing a virgin....if we can find one.

    I think that joke originated in Pagan times, if not before.
    Joke? You ever been to Essex?

    I think that its time to dust off my story about playing at a p*ker tourney in Essex

    Absolutely seriously a girl at my table said she was thinking of getting a personalised number plate....... NE 1 4 ABJ...................

    Another lady said why not go for "5lut"


    It went downhill from there

    I would normally defend my home county, but travelling on the bus with teenage school puils from a couple of prestigious selective school in our County city I've heard conversations which have surprised me.
    We never compared blow-jobs when I rode the school bus in the 50's!
    Mind, doesn't mean the girls aren't virgins!
    My oldest son told me a story about a girl who drank in that place.

    I think she was about 22 and had had over 50 sexual partners.

    Classy



  • Y0kel said:

    PtP

    Three critical questions about Clinton:

    1. Is she or can she do warm fuzzy folksy?
    2. In the absence of that can she do such rhetoric, Obama style, and cover up the fact she is an elitist just as Obama is, as opposed to a Romney who couldn't do such rhetoric and exude warm fuzzy feelings?
    3. Would she considered 'a good man'

    To me, these are three strong pre-requisite qualities in a POTUS candidate that really boost chances of success. Unlike her husband, the above qualities may not be her scene. Thats why at this point she couldn't carry my money at her odds, formidable operator as she is.

    MikeK , I noticed the media now has plenty on the Israeli hit on the Syrian facility on the Med coast. The stories about a 2nd hit last night in Damascus should be treated with caution at this point though. The Israelis were possibly involved in something a few nights ago in Damascus but stories of a strike last night in the city are far from firm.

    The Americans are unhappy, hence the leaks from them to the media confirming the Lattakia attack, but the Israelis always take care of their own priorities first.

    Honest answer is, I don't know, Yokel.

    I'd tentatively suggest yes for 1, but really not sure about 2 & 3. But who have the Dems got who would be better? She's 6/4 with Hills. That's effectively 6/4 that's she is well and wants to run.



  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307

    Y0kel said:

    PtP

    Three critical questions about Clinton:

    1. Is she or can she do warm fuzzy folksy?
    2. In the absence of that can she do such rhetoric, Obama style, and cover up the fact she is an elitist just as Obama is, as opposed to a Romney who couldn't do such rhetoric and exude warm fuzzy feelings?
    3. Would she considered 'a good man'

    To me, these are three strong pre-requisite qualities in a POTUS candidate that really boost chances of success. Unlike her husband, the above qualities may not be her scene. Thats why at this point she couldn't carry my money at her odds, formidable operator as she is.

    MikeK , I noticed the media now has plenty on the Israeli hit on the Syrian facility on the Med coast. The stories about a 2nd hit last night in Damascus should be treated with caution at this point though. The Israelis were possibly involved in something a few nights ago in Damascus but stories of a strike last night in the city are far from firm.

    The Americans are unhappy, hence the leaks from them to the media confirming the Lattakia attack, but the Israelis always take care of their own priorities first.

    Honest answer is, I don't know, Yokel.

    I'd tentatively suggest yes for 1, but really not sure about 2 & 3. But who have the Dems got who would be better? She's 6/4 with Hills. That's effectively 6/4 that's she is well and wants to run.



    Don't deny she could be a juggernaut case this time as her tenure away from domestic electoral politics and into diplomacy did her good.

    2008, however, looms in the rear view.
  • MikeK said:

    I was thinking of being a lyricist tonight by transposing the old Frankie and Johnny were lovers song with different names starting with R and A, but I thought that the moderator might object.

    Very scary, are high profile court cases and not only on Halloween.

    OK, this is really intriguing me, and I don't think the Mod can object.....

    There are eight of them in the dock, and they do not all necessarily see eye to eye with each other. And the dock is small. Now the Prosecution asserts that two of them were lovers and another is the husband of one them.

    Isn't it all a little bit awkward and embarrassing?

    Or am I just being old-fashioned?

  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Well the husband in question isn't the one that was cuckolded.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    edited October 2013
    I agree. I just don't think that Hilary Clinton will run either, if she still harbours ambitions five years after losing out to Obama, she is keeping them well under the radar right now.
    MikeK said:

    MikeK said:

    UKIP not standing, so no interest unless the bogyman wins.


    MikeK

    I saw your link from an earlier thread about Hillary's popularity dip. Thanks for that.

    I was surprised at the drop, because she's had mainly good publicity lately and the Benghazi thing is old and never amounted to much in the first place. On reading the article, I should say that the drop reflects a general disenchantment with Politicos following the debt-crisis impasse. None of the buggers won any plaudits over it.

    She remains head and shoulders above any other possible Democrat candidate, and a tough opponent for whoever the GOP pick.
    I know you are interested in Hilary and you may have money on her, so i'll let you know what I can glean. I still have the strongest suspicion that HC wont run.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Are we back to Essex?

    Well the husband in question isn't the one that was cuckolded.

  • OK, this is really intriguing me, and I don't think the Mod can object.....

    There are eight of them in the dock, and they do not all necessarily see eye to eye with each other. And the dock is small. Now the Prosecution asserts that two of them were lovers and another is the husband of one them.

    Isn't it all a little bit awkward and embarrassing?

    Or am I just being old-fashioned?

    The affair is said to have ended long before Mrs Brooks' current marriage.

  • Or am I just being old-fashioned?

    Yes.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    Times has a story about NHS rehiring managers, implies that there is a merry go round. Tim might have liked that one.

    Re Unite - Cameron might reflect why Unite thought they could intimidate INEOS directors, if they had done it before. Either he lacks the spine to act, or he was just waiting for Len and the dinosaurs to discredit themselves.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    OK, this is really intriguing me, and I don't think the Mod can object.....

    There are eight of them in the dock, and they do not all necessarily see eye to eye with each other. And the dock is small. Now the Prosecution asserts that two of them were lovers and another is the husband of one them.

    Isn't it all a little bit awkward and embarrassing?

    LOL
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,475

    OK, this is really intriguing me, and I don't think the Mod can object.....

    There are eight of them in the dock, and they do not all necessarily see eye to eye with each other. And the dock is small. Now the Prosecution asserts that two of them were lovers and another is the husband of one them.

    Isn't it all a little bit awkward and embarrassing?

    Or am I just being old-fashioned?

    The affair is said to have ended long before Mrs Brooks' current marriage.

    It may also depend on when husband no 2 was told of the affair.

    The real question is when do all these apparently busy people find the time for all this extra-marital shenanigans? I can scarcely find time to do the shopping, let alone anything more exciting.....
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,311
    edited October 2013

    MikeK said:

    I was thinking of being a lyricist tonight by transposing the old Frankie and Johnny were lovers song with different names starting with R and A, but I thought that the moderator might object.

    Very scary, are high profile court cases and not only on Halloween.

    OK, this is really intriguing me, and I don't think the Mod can object.....

    There are eight of them in the dock, and they do not all necessarily see eye to eye with each other. And the dock is small. Now the Prosecution asserts that two of them were lovers and another is the husband of one them.

    Isn't it all a little bit awkward and embarrassing?

    Or am I just being old-fashioned?

    I think it was hubby no.1 who was being cuckolded.
    For some reason I have a vision of a wee, rat-faced guy having his shirtfront grasped by a big, bald Cockney, with a slightly smaller bald Cockney standing by, roaring 'Leave it Grant, he aint worf it'.
  • compouter1compouter1 Posts: 642
    edited October 2013
    ....and like magic...it has gone. :-)
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Make that her then boyfriend, she only married hubby No1 in 2002.

    MikeK said:

    I was thinking of being a lyricist tonight by transposing the old Frankie and Johnny were lovers song with different names starting with R and A, but I thought that the moderator might object.

    Very scary, are high profile court cases and not only on Halloween.

    OK, this is really intriguing me, and I don't think the Mod can object.....

    There are eight of them in the dock, and they do not all necessarily see eye to eye with each other. And the dock is small. Now the Prosecution asserts that two of them were lovers and another is the husband of one them.

    Isn't it all a little bit awkward and embarrassing?

    Or am I just being old-fashioned?

    I think it was hubby no.1 who was being cuckolded.
    For some reason I have a vision of a wee, rat-faced guy having his shirtfront grasped by a big, bald Cockney, with a slightly smaller bald Cockney standing by, roaring 'Leave it Grant, he aint worf it'.
  • Ladies and gentlemen you are testing the patience of the moderating team.

    Whilst your comment may seem innocuous others will take the opportunity to speculate on things they shouldn't.

    Exile to www.electoralvotingststemsdiscussions.com will be the penalty for further transgressions.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics

    Our hero of the week, Sir John Major - for giving @David_Cameron the reason he needs to govern. #sunplus http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/article4751667.ece
    :)
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Thank god the three blokes on the QT panel have got different coloured ties on. We've certainly come on aways since Dolly the Sheep.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Apologies Mods, subject closed, shudders at thought of being exiled to electoral voting systems forum. :)

    Ladies and gentlemen you are testing the patience of the moderating team.

    Whilst your comment may seem innocuous others will take the opportunity to speculate on things they shouldn't.

    Exile to www.electoralvotingststemsdiscussions.com will be the penalty for further transgressions.

  • ....and like magic...it has gone. :-)

    You speculated on the outcome of what may happen in the trial.

    Any future transgressions like that will see your ability to instantly published revoked.

    Do not do so in the future.

    Please confirm that you understand this instruction.

  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    I'm quite tempted to transgress again, that sounds like an excellent site.
  • ok, let's move to new exciting speculations...labour selection race in Brent Central...
    ward branches have started the nomination process...first 2 out of 9

    (CLP branches should make 2 nominations: 1 mand and 1 woman. If neither are BAME, they can add a third nomination. But it won't be needed in Brent Central as all female applicants are BAME)

    Tokyngton ward: Dawn Butler and Zaffar Van Kalwala
    Stonebridge: Dawn Butler and Zaffar Van Kalwala


    Butler doesn't have much competition on female side (3 applicants overall). The other male contenders probably need a nom in the next couple of wards meeting to keep a sort of momentum alive.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Carola said:

    Thank god the three blokes on the QT panel have got different coloured ties on. We've certainly come on aways since Dolly the Sheep.

    Just tuned in.... It's all about Tim's "non- story"......

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