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  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited October 2013
    AndyJS said:
    You're not wrong. An exemplar from the appropriately named "fatuoso": To date, no one in Britain has been prosecuted for doing this. CPS look the other way, in fact they would probably sign this petition.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,047
    "Her campaign against FGM is the subject of a Channel 4 documentary, The Cruel Cut, which features the shocking scenes where she asks people to sign the petition."

    Labour uncut....the cruel cut....and the unkindest cut of all.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    R0berts said:

    TGOHF said:

    Seems pretty straightforward to me - cut green taxes in Autumn statement.

    Cons give you a tax cut - forever , Labour give you a freeze for 18 months.

    Hardly ferking rocket science is it - supported by all except the most fundamentalist of tree molesters.

    Which "green taxes"? The ones that help people with their bills?

    If not, then you'd be talking a pretty small cut in bills. Assuming, of course, that the cut is passed on by the energy companies and doesn't just lead to slightly less massive price rises.

    And how would it be paid for? And would the Lib Dems agree?
    TGOHF is a convert to the belief in the Magic Money Tree concept of cutting taxes .
    Or find another £2.7 Bn of cuts - no problem - take it from the international aid budget.
    Why not scrap both the DFiD and the green nonsense ?
    Now you are talking...
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Mr. Easterross, if only an actor had told Miliband that more companies would be a good thing.

    Mr. JS, shocking indeed. Mildly amused Channel 4 are doing it, though. When the Danish cartoon furore occurred they held a live debate about whether the cartoons should be shown. The studio audience voted to see them and Jon Snow produced an envelope from his jacket pocket which revealed they would not be shown anyway.

    You can't kowtow to intimidation and thuggery of those who want "Death to the West" and then complain when people are afraid to criticise appalling behaviour for fear of being seen as racist.

    FGM has been mentioned here a bit, but it never seems to make any breakthrough in the mainstream media.

    Personally I cannot have any respect for the criminal justice system in this country as long as they continue to fail to bring a single prosecution for FGM despite it being illegal since 1985 while, for example, arresting people on a whim for posting silly insults on Twitter.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    R0berts said:

    TGOHF said:

    Seems pretty straightforward to me - cut green taxes in Autumn statement.

    Cons give you a tax cut - forever , Labour give you a freeze for 18 months.

    Hardly ferking rocket science is it - supported by all except the most fundamentalist of tree molesters.

    Which "green taxes"? The ones that help people with their bills?

    If not, then you'd be talking a pretty small cut in bills. Assuming, of course, that the cut is passed on by the energy companies and doesn't just lead to slightly less massive price rises.

    And how would it be paid for? And would the Lib Dems agree?
    TGOHF is a convert to the belief in the Magic Money Tree concept of cutting taxes .
    Or find another £2.7 Bn of cuts - no problem - take it from the international aid budget.
    Why not scrap both the DFiD and the green nonsense ?
    Slash housing benefit, and child subsidy.

    Tim would approve of the former, and Bobajob might calm down if he can see that everyone else is missing out on the freebies too.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Verdasco lost. 3/5 of my last tennis tips have been void because of withdrawals. Oh well.
  • TGOHF said:

    5 home grown terrorists charged....

    I'm pretty sure you meant to stick an 'alleged' in there..
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Haven't the time to look at these Scottish poll results from Ashcroft but I'm puzzled why the great Lord said Cameron was an asset up there in this article that I did read last night and yet tim is a bit less confident in Cammo for a change?

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/lord-ashcroft-on-the-trail-of-the-scottish-tories-1-3162036

    Lord Ashcroft says target voters for the Tories in Scotland prefer Mr Cameron over Ed Miliband and view the Prime Minister as being “willing to take tough decisions”.

    The peer says that Mr Cameron “is an asset here” as he rejects suggestions the Prime Minister deters Scots from voting Tory.

    tim has only just discovered that Scotland is much more pro-Labour than pro-Tory......and his 'Ed is awesome' narrative mustn't be interrupted by details such as:

    Best PM (among VI)
    Cameron: 84
    Miliband: 56

    Net Favourable (among VI)
    Cameron: +85
    Salmond: +82
    Miliband: +56
    Clegg: +37

    Also on the question of 'which is more popular - the party or the leader?' - Leader (net)
    Cameron: +1
    Salmond: -18
    Clegg: -20
    Miliband: -36
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    5 home grown terrorists charged....

    I'm pretty sure you meant to stick an 'alleged' in there..
    They may contest the fact that they are British or even Scottish - yes good point ;)



  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited October 2013
    Also on the question of 'which is more popular - the party or the leader?' - Leader (net)
    Cameron: +1
    Salmond: -18
    Clegg: -20
    Miliband: -36


    Thanks CV - I think I missed tim posting that one for sure!!!!! How careless.
  • Test massage.

    Not for me thanks - try Sean T.
    No nude to be reed!
  • TGOHF said:

    R0berts said:

    TGOHF said:

    Seems pretty straightforward to me - cut green taxes in Autumn statement.

    Cons give you a tax cut - forever , Labour give you a freeze for 18 months.

    Hardly ferking rocket science is it - supported by all except the most fundamentalist of tree molesters.

    Which "green taxes"? The ones that help people with their bills?

    If not, then you'd be talking a pretty small cut in bills. Assuming, of course, that the cut is passed on by the energy companies and doesn't just lead to slightly less massive price rises.

    And how would it be paid for? And would the Lib Dems agree?
    TGOHF is a convert to the belief in the Magic Money Tree concept of cutting taxes .
    Or find another £2.7 Bn of cuts - no problem - take it from the international aid budget.
    2.7 bn? less than 10% of the cost of your fancy HS2 train set!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,574

    TGOHF said:

    R0berts said:

    TGOHF said:

    Seems pretty straightforward to me - cut green taxes in Autumn statement.

    Cons give you a tax cut - forever , Labour give you a freeze for 18 months.

    Hardly ferking rocket science is it - supported by all except the most fundamentalist of tree molesters.

    Which "green taxes"? The ones that help people with their bills?

    If not, then you'd be talking a pretty small cut in bills. Assuming, of course, that the cut is passed on by the energy companies and doesn't just lead to slightly less massive price rises.

    And how would it be paid for? And would the Lib Dems agree?
    TGOHF is a convert to the belief in the Magic Money Tree concept of cutting taxes .
    Or find another £2.7 Bn of cuts - no problem - take it from the international aid budget.
    2.7 bn? less than 10% of the cost of your fancy HS2 train set!
    We can ditch that too if you like.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited October 2013
    @tim - I'm glad you've discovered Labour are popular in Scotland!

    Pity Ed isn't as popular......
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    R0berts said:

    TGOHF said:

    Seems pretty straightforward to me - cut green taxes in Autumn statement.

    Cons give you a tax cut - forever , Labour give you a freeze for 18 months.

    Hardly ferking rocket science is it - supported by all except the most fundamentalist of tree molesters.

    Which "green taxes"? The ones that help people with their bills?

    If not, then you'd be talking a pretty small cut in bills. Assuming, of course, that the cut is passed on by the energy companies and doesn't just lead to slightly less massive price rises.

    And how would it be paid for? And would the Lib Dems agree?
    TGOHF is a convert to the belief in the Magic Money Tree concept of cutting taxes .
    Or find another £2.7 Bn of cuts - no problem - take it from the international aid budget.
    2.7 bn? less than 10% of the cost of your fancy HS2 train set!

    Eh up Sunil - for 2 and 6 we can have steam train that takes 6 days to go from Edinburgh to London - good enough for us when I were a lad and look marvellous - oh and the brass on the boiler plate - brings a tear to your eye it did.

    I wrote the serial number down with a quill and ink I did.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Ed isn't repeating his earlier potentially libellous Shoesmith comment on the BBC......
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    R0berts said:



    Miliband's brand of populism is dangerous because it is wrong and it has potentially serious implications. For some individuals it will no doubt ease financial pressures for a short period, but it hardly provides a long-term solution for anyone whose finances are that tight. All it does is encourage those people to believe that suppliers of essential services are profiteering at their expense, driving a wedge between supplier and consumer.


    It is instructive that the Labour supporting posters on here do not defend the policy on its merits, preferring instead to celebrate the fact that it has wrong-footed the Tories (which undoubtedly it has).

    People believe that energy companies are profiteering at their expense because, er, they are.

    And I'm perfectly happy to defend the policy on its merits. It's a fantastic policy. My bills won't go up for a year and a half after Labour take power. After which the rotten energy market will be shaken up, putting a long term solution in place. What's not to like?
    The fact you believe that is truly terrifying.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    James Landale ‏@BBCJLandale 6m

    8 Labour council leaders warn Ed Miliband of "protracted public conflict" if Labour continues "negative message" on HS2.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/10/energy-bosses-boost-tory-tortoise-in-energy-row-with-green-taxes-pledge/

    "But they’ll be pretty happy in Number 10, too: the energy companies have given David Cameron a reasonably good-sounding ‘retail offer’: if the government does ‘roll back’ those green taxes, consumers now have a promise that they’ll see the savings on their energy bills within weeks. Which could mean that the Conservative tortoise wins out in the energy row after all."
  • TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    R0berts said:

    TGOHF said:

    Seems pretty straightforward to me - cut green taxes in Autumn statement.

    Cons give you a tax cut - forever , Labour give you a freeze for 18 months.

    Hardly ferking rocket science is it - supported by all except the most fundamentalist of tree molesters.

    Which "green taxes"? The ones that help people with their bills?

    If not, then you'd be talking a pretty small cut in bills. Assuming, of course, that the cut is passed on by the energy companies and doesn't just lead to slightly less massive price rises.

    And how would it be paid for? And would the Lib Dems agree?
    TGOHF is a convert to the belief in the Magic Money Tree concept of cutting taxes .
    Or find another £2.7 Bn of cuts - no problem - take it from the international aid budget.
    2.7 bn? less than 10% of the cost of your fancy HS2 train set!

    Eh up Sunil - for 2 and 6 we can have steam train that takes 6 days to go from Edinburgh to London - good enough for us when I were a lad and look marvellous - oh and the brass on the boiler plate - brings a tear to your eye it did.

    I wrote the serial number down with a quill and ink I did.
    But it would be very difficult to take photos of trains - let alone note their numbers - doing 200 mph!
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    Why is Ed Miliband standing next to that thing that trapped the baddies in space in Superman II?
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    TGOHF said:

    James Landale ‏@BBCJLandale 6m

    8 Labour council leaders warn Ed Miliband of "protracted public conflict" if Labour continues "negative message" on HS2.

    Looks like Ed may have to offer some bits of the money saved to local councils for their concerns to disappear.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    edited October 2013

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    R0berts said:

    TGOHF said:

    Seems pretty straightforward to me - cut green taxes in Autumn statement.

    Cons give you a tax cut - forever , Labour give you a freeze for 18 months.

    Hardly ferking rocket science is it - supported by all except the most fundamentalist of tree molesters.

    Which "green taxes"? The ones that help people with their bills?

    If not, then you'd be talking a pretty small cut in bills. Assuming, of course, that the cut is passed on by the energy companies and doesn't just lead to slightly less massive price rises.

    And how would it be paid for? And would the Lib Dems agree?
    TGOHF is a convert to the belief in the Magic Money Tree concept of cutting taxes .
    Or find another £2.7 Bn of cuts - no problem - take it from the international aid budget.
    2.7 bn? less than 10% of the cost of your fancy HS2 train set!

    Eh up Sunil - for 2 and 6 we can have steam train that takes 6 days to go from Edinburgh to London - good enough for us when I were a lad and look marvellous - oh and the brass on the boiler plate - brings a tear to your eye it did.

    I wrote the serial number down with a quill and ink I did.
    But it would be very difficult to take photos of trains - let alone note their numbers - doing 200 mph!
    Are cameras not a bit modern for you ?

    Put a stunning lithograph of this 200mph contraption on your study wall - whilst you listen to the latest flapper hits from Al Jolson on your gramophone.

    How do you access the internet by the way - do you send a pigeon to Bill Gates ?

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Mr. Ajob, maybe it's a plot by Balls to trap him in the Phantom Zone!
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    I reckon the energy bigwigs did a MAHOOSIVE high five as soon as they hit the corridor after *that* rigorous grilling.

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    TGOHF said:

    James Landale ‏@BBCJLandale 6m

    8 Labour council leaders warn Ed Miliband of "protracted public conflict" if Labour continues "negative message" on HS2.

    The problem is Ed M has subcontracted the decision to Ed B who is trying to shore up his wrecked economic credentials......just as well Ed B is not one to indulge in populist gestures ignoring due process.....
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    tim said:

    It would be helpful if Tories just shut up about Scotland

    @alexmassie: Theresa May's warning about an independent Scotland being at the mercy of terrorists really is daft scaremongering. http://t.co/w0bmzqnDct

    Quite - as todays events show its the enemy within that Scotland and Britain should worry about...

  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    @Morris

    Go fo

    Mr. Ajob, really?

    Free market + lower fuel bills Vs state-meddling + frozen fuel bills

    The Conservatives win.

    Must say, I'm surprised, given the greenery of the leaderships, that green taxes seem to be on the table.

    @Morris

    Go for it - just don't expect anyone to listen when you say there is no money left. Also lock in the 2010 Lib switchers.
  • Here's a wee test. See who can guess which adjective in the following lines was all the Daily Mail's own work.

    "Last week Blair Jenkins, head of the cross-party independence group Yes Scotland, gave a speech in which he condemned ‘the corrosive and cynical world of Westminster’, English ‘warmongers and job-cutters’, ‘asset strippers and mortgage flippers’ and ‘welfare bashers and bedroom taxers’."

    http://archive.is/bj8z4
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Mr. Ajob, I suspect any shortfall in greenism will be made up elsewhere. So, it'd be revenue neutral.

    Also, 'you'? I'm not a Conservative.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,477
    If politicians want Scotland to remain in the UK they need to make a positive case for staying not try to scare them into not leaving.

    If Scotland votes No to independence they need to be voting yes for something.

    Sometimes making decisions for yourself trumps other considerations, regardless of whether you might be weaker or poorer (not that I'm saying that Scotland will necessarily be either of those things, of course).
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    Mr. Ajob, I suspect any shortfall in greenism will be made up elsewhere. So, it'd be revenue neutral.

    Also, 'you'? I'm not a Conservative.

    Okay, so what are you going to cut?

    (PS felt sure you were a Tory?!)

  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited October 2013
    Bobajob said:

    @Morris

    Go fo

    Mr. Ajob, really?

    Free market + lower fuel bills Vs state-meddling + frozen fuel bills

    The Conservatives win.

    Must say, I'm surprised, given the greenery of the leaderships, that green taxes seem to be on the table.

    @Morris

    Go for it - just don't expect anyone to listen when you say there is no money left. Also lock in the 2010 Lib switchers.
    Bob, you don't seem too bothered by the prospect of Ed Balls squeezing you by the taxes after 2015.

    He's got his eyes on your £75K+
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    Mr. Ajob, maybe it's a plot by Balls to trap him in the Phantom Zone!

    :) Ha ha- I actually started watching that film again the other day. It was one of my faves as a boy but by God how it has dated. Looks like bits of polystyrene ice have been stuck together with Sellotape.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    edited October 2013
    Mr. Ajob, I've stated many times that I'm not.

    I am a rightwinger, but I've voted for four parties (counting Independent as a party).

    I'd cut aid, look at more welfare cuts, I definitely wouldn't reintroduce EMA (not technically a cut, but as Labour have raised the prospect of its reintroduction it's worth mentioning). Amongst benefits I'd look at cutting child benefits.

    Mr. Ajob II: Superman II is a fun film. I like the fact that older superhero films were unafraid of being fun, instead of the relentless grimness that some modern films go for.
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    @Cyclefree

    Indeed. No will no doubt win by default, but their defence has been risible. Remember the suggestion, made not too many moons ago, that we would be facing border patrol boats on the Clyde?
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    Bobajob said:

    @Morris

    Go fo

    Mr. Ajob, really?

    Free market + lower fuel bills Vs state-meddling + frozen fuel bills

    The Conservatives win.

    Must say, I'm surprised, given the greenery of the leaderships, that green taxes seem to be on the table.

    @Morris

    Go for it - just don't expect anyone to listen when you say there is no money left. Also lock in the 2010 Lib switchers.
    Bob, you don't seem too bothered by the prospect of Ed Balls squeezing you by the taxes after 2015.

    He's got his eyes on your £75K+
    You are obsessed. Go and bother someone else!
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    R0berts said:



    Miliband's brand of populism is dangerous because it is wrong and it has potentially serious implications. For some individuals it will no doubt ease financial pressures for a short period, but it hardly provides a long-term solution for anyone whose finances are that tight. All it does is encourage those people to believe that suppliers of essential services are profiteering at their expense, driving a wedge between supplier and consumer.


    It is instructive that the Labour supporting posters on here do not defend the policy on its merits, preferring instead to celebrate the fact that it has wrong-footed the Tories (which undoubtedly it has).

    My bills won't go up for a year and a half after Labour take power. After which the rotten energy market will be shaken up, putting a long term solution in place. What's not to like?
    Because prices will go UP before Labour get into office?

    Do you think there will be as many as the 14 energy companies when Labour took office in 1997?

    The coalition inherited 6.....
    Prior to 2001 price for domestic energy was controlled by the government. Labour liberalised and removed price controls.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,316
    edited October 2013



    Mr. Ajob II: Superman II is a fun film. I like the fact that older superhero films were unafraid of being fun, instead of the relentless grimness that some modern films go for.

    Mr Dancer, are you aware the "finished" version of Superman II was not how it was originally intended? The original director, Richard Donner was replaced by Richard Lester. You can see the original Donner version (or strictly speaking a re-edit with deleted scenes added back in) on the Superman II DVD.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    I did not know that, Dr. Prasannan. I have a vague recollection of many of Marlon Brando's scenes not being used for some reason or other, though.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,316
    edited October 2013
    Carola said:

    I reckon the energy bigwigs did a MAHOOSIVE high five as soon as they hit the corridor after *that* rigorous grilling.

    I went to the novelty shop today to see their Halloween costumes. I chose the energy company executive outfit :)
  • I did not know that, Dr. Prasannan. I have a vague recollection of many of Marlon Brando's scenes not being used for some reason or other, though.

    More here, Mr Dancer:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_II:_The_Richard_Donner_Cut
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,477
    Bobajob said:

    @Cyclefree

    Indeed. No will no doubt win by default, but their defence has been risible. Remember the suggestion, made not too many moons ago, that we would be facing border patrol boats on the Clyde?

    I think the outcome will be much closer than people think. And I wouldn't be that surprised if yes did win.

    Those who are in favour of the Union should not want to win just by default. My feeling is that they are assuming that the UK is a good thing but are actually having difficulty coming up with real arguments, beyond "Well it's always been this way". And that may not be good enough.

  • tim said:

    It would be helpful if Tories just shut up about Scotland

    @alexmassie: Theresa May's warning about an independent Scotland being at the mercy of terrorists really is daft scaremongering. http://t.co/w0bmzqnDct

    Maybe they're trying to get a yes vote. Best chance for a Tory majority in 2015.
  • Here's a wee test. See who can guess which adjective in the following lines was all the Daily Mail's own work.

    "Last week Blair Jenkins, head of the cross-party independence group Yes Scotland, gave a speech in which he condemned ‘the corrosive and cynical world of Westminster’, English ‘warmongers and job-cutters’, ‘asset strippers and mortgage flippers’ and ‘welfare bashers and bedroom taxers’."

    http://archive.is/bj8z4

    It's disturbing that an unhinged fanatic like Blair Jenkins was head of current affairs for BBC Scotland until recently.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,574

    Carola said:

    I reckon the energy bigwigs did a MAHOOSIVE high five as soon as they hit the corridor after *that* rigorous grilling.

    I went to the novelty shop today to see their Halloween costumes. I chose the energy company executive outfit :)
    I can't decide between Jimmy Savile and the Gypsy Child catcher costume.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,574

    tim said:

    It would be helpful if Tories just shut up about Scotland

    @alexmassie: Theresa May's warning about an independent Scotland being at the mercy of terrorists really is daft scaremongering. http://t.co/w0bmzqnDct

    Maybe they're trying to get a yes vote. Best chance for a Tory majority in 2015.
    NOM & Tory Minority I think - hopefully for Bookie's rules...
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    tim said:

    Bobajob said:

    Bobajob said:

    @Morris

    Go fo

    Mr. Ajob, really?

    Free market + lower fuel bills Vs state-meddling + frozen fuel bills

    The Conservatives win.

    Must say, I'm surprised, given the greenery of the leaderships, that green taxes seem to be on the table.

    @Morris

    Go for it - just don't expect anyone to listen when you say there is no money left. Also lock in the 2010 Lib switchers.
    Bob, you don't seem too bothered by the prospect of Ed Balls squeezing you by the taxes after 2015.

    He's got his eyes on your £75K+
    You are obsessed. Go and bother someone else!
    Don't give him back to me.
    Don't worry. I won't start posting endless links to semi naked PM's in neoprene.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    I also think the referendum will be closer than many assume.

    Dr. Prasannan, cheers for that link.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,316
    edited October 2013
    I hinted at it upthread, but I think HS2 is an anti-trainspotter plot.

    "What on earth are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry.

    Well my reasoning is this: Make the trains run so fast that you can't take decent pics of them or note down their numbers!
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,477
    tim said:

    Any Tory politician heading for Scotland should be reported on the Blonde Roma Hotline and stopped at the border

    Labour politicians have not been much better at articulating the pro-Union argument. Maybe there is no valid argument anymore; maybe it has run its course.
  • Well, if the Scots want to be independent, it's up to them. My fear if Scotland does go her own way is that England will be run in perpetuity by the PB Tories!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,574

    I also think the referendum will be closer than many assume.

    Dr. Prasannan, cheers for that link.

    I'd like to see the 11/2 back for it that Stan James was offering. Not sure if worth it at 9-2...
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395



    Mr. Ajob II: Superman II is a fun film. I like the fact that older superhero films were unafraid of being fun, instead of the relentless grimness that some modern films go for.

    Mr Dancer, are you aware the "finished" version of Superman II was not how it was originally intended? The original director, Richard Donner was replaced by Richard Lester. You can see the original Donner version (or strictly speaking a re-edit with deleted scenes added back in) on the Superman II DVD.
    WHY DO YOU SAY THIS TO ME WHEN YOU KNOW I WILL KILL YOU FOR IT...
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited October 2013
    Unfortunate name:

    "Blair Brown (born April 23, 1947) is an American theater, film, and television actress. She has had a number of high-profile roles, including a Tony Award-winning turn in the play Copenhagen on Broadway, as well as a run as the title character in the television comedy-drama The Days and Nights of Molly Dodd, which ran from 1987 to 1991. Brown is well known for her recent role as Nina Sharp in the television series Fringe, broadcast on Fox":

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blair_Brown
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    Cyclefree said:

    Bobajob said:

    @Cyclefree

    Indeed. No will no doubt win by default, but their defence has been risible. Remember the suggestion, made not too many moons ago, that we would be facing border patrol boats on the Clyde?

    I think the outcome will be much closer than people think. And I wouldn't be that surprised if yes did win.

    Those who are in favour of the Union should not want to win just by default. My feeling is that they are assuming that the UK is a good thing but are actually having difficulty coming up with real arguments, beyond "Well it's always been this way". And that may not be good enough.

    You may be proved right.

    (And I meant the Tweed, of course, apologies)

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    tim said:

    Any Tory politician heading for Scotland should be reported on the Blonde Roma Hotline and stopped at the border

    Perhaps some form of disguise like a suitable Halloween costume may be in order?

    ;^ )
  • AndyJS said:



    Mr. Ajob II: Superman II is a fun film. I like the fact that older superhero films were unafraid of being fun, instead of the relentless grimness that some modern films go for.

    Mr Dancer, are you aware the "finished" version of Superman II was not how it was originally intended? The original director, Richard Donner was replaced by Richard Lester. You can see the original Donner version (or strictly speaking a re-edit with deleted scenes added back in) on the Superman II DVD.
    WHY DO YOU SAY THIS TO ME WHEN YOU KNOW I WILL KILL YOU FOR IT...
    Kneel before Zod!
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,854
    edited October 2013

    Well, if the Scots want to be independent, it's up to them. My fear if Scotland does go her own way is that England will be run in perpetuity by the PB Tories!

    No they'll split into the pro EU and insane.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,047
    Any problem with linking to the Private Eye cover in the news? First one to make me laugh for months....
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    After dominating the scottish news yesterday I'm sure we'll hear no more about it.
    BBC Radio 4 Today ‏@BBCr4today

    Andrew Murray, Chief of Staff at Unite, says Stevie Deans's departure was not part of the deal with Ineos to keep the Grangemouth plant open
    Maybe..

    LOL
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    That Boris is suspiciously blonde for a man of Turkish parentage;

    Though of course the Turks did steal Christian children for their Janissary army.

    http://www.theottomans.org/english/campaigns_army/index_3.asp

    Perhaps that is how these legends start; a very long and not particularly pleasant history in the Balkans...
    tim said:

    Any Tory politician heading for Scotland should be reported on the Blonde Roma Hotline and stopped at the border

  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    I would have to disagree strongly with those assumptions, you are totally misreading the mood up here in Scotland amongst many who want to remain within the Union. While many pro Independence voters are fired up at the chance of voting for Independence, the imminent Referendum on Scotland's future has also fired up many who are equally as passionate about retaining the Union. This debate is causing some right rammys amongst families, friends and even work colleagues up here. And what ever the outcome, there are going to be some very disappointed, angry and frustrated sore losers in the aftermath of the result which might very well dampen any triumphalism from the winning side.
    Cyclefree said:

    Bobajob said:

    @Cyclefree

    Indeed. No will no doubt win by default, but their defence has been risible. Remember the suggestion, made not too many moons ago, that we would be facing border patrol boats on the Clyde?

    I think the outcome will be much closer than people think. And I wouldn't be that surprised if yes did win.

    Those who are in favour of the Union should not want to win just by default. My feeling is that they are assuming that the UK is a good thing but are actually having difficulty coming up with real arguments, beyond "Well it's always been this way". And that may not be good enough.

  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Twitter
    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges 1h
    Len McCluskey is in trouble, and this article proves Len McCluskey knows it http://tinyurl.com/ppf6bxz
  • Press Standards Board of Finance Limited will be applying for an interim injunction to prevent the government's draft royal charter on press regulation being put before Her Majesty in Council tomorrow.
  • TGOHF said:

    James Landale ‏@BBCJLandale 6m

    8 Labour council leaders warn Ed Miliband of "protracted public conflict" if Labour continues "negative message" on HS2.

    Public or public sector? If Public, who are they speaking on behalf of?
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    James Langsdale on BBC News - Is Labour really going to oppose HS2?
    "Is Labour on an inexorable path towards opposing HS2? That appears to be the consensus at Westminster. But I am detecting a whiff of revisionism within Labour ranks, a sense that the party might have over-reached itself in its expression of doubt about the project. Here is why:"
  • fitalass said:

    Twitter
    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges 1h
    Len McCluskey is in trouble, and this article proves Len McCluskey knows it http://tinyurl.com/ppf6bxz

    Wonderful comment.

    That power inequality has been on brutal display this week, and Labour politicians above all need to pay attention.

    The power inequality in question being the power of Len McCluskey versus the rabbit-in-the-headlights weakness of the Boy Miliband.

    This whole article seethes with menacing subtext; the subtext being "let this be a lesson to those who cross me".

    Poor old Ed. He didn't meet people like this at Oxford.
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Fitalass

    I wouldn't listen to anything Dan has to say on the Labour movement. They guy knows so little it is actually quite amazing he is able to get away with the Labour insider tag.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,477
    fitalass said:

    I would have to disagree strongly with those assumptions, you are totally misreading the mood up here in Scotland amongst many who want to remain within the Union. While many pro Independence voters are fired up at the chance of voting for Independence, the imminent Referendum on Scotland's future has also fired up many who are equally as passionate about retaining the Union. This debate is causing some right rammys amongst families, friends and even work colleagues up here. And what ever the outcome, there are going to be some very disappointed, angry and frustrated sore losers in the aftermath of the result which might very well dampen any triumphalism from the winning side.

    Cyclefree said:

    Bobajob said:

    @Cyclefree

    Indeed. No will no doubt win by default, but their defence has been risible. Remember the suggestion, made not too many moons ago, that we would be facing border patrol boats on the Clyde?

    I think the outcome will be much closer than people think. And I wouldn't be that surprised if yes did win.

    Those who are in favour of the Union should not want to win just by default. My feeling is that they are assuming that the UK is a good thing but are actually having difficulty coming up with real arguments, beyond "Well it's always been this way". And that may not be good enough.

    Fitalass: I was referring to politicians in England rather than people in Scotland. I should have made that clear. We don't get much sense here in London of the debate going on within Scotland itself on this topic.

  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Why is Ed standing next to a giant ice cube?

    A desperate attempt to look cool?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    TOPPING said:

    FPT

    britishgas.co.uk/blog/articles/ian-peters-discusses-todays-price-announcement

    Worth posting again.

    I mean unless you think the energy cos are lying they are trying to run their businesses under intense scrutiny (including today).

    And again, look at the comments - 4% margin, huge investment plans and they might as well have admitted burning cats in their plants and no tim that is not a good thing.

    The public needs education. Are the Tories up to it? Would it work anyway?

    Those are the questions.

    If you want to win an election then why of earth would you educate people?
    Something Labour seemed to have lived by.

  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Apologies. The amount of hot air being expelled up here by politicians and those passionate about the issue of the Indy Ref could keep us all warm this winter. :)
    Cyclefree said:

    fitalass said:

    I would have to disagree strongly with those assumptions, you are totally misreading the mood up here in Scotland amongst many who want to remain within the Union. While many pro Independence voters are fired up at the chance of voting for Independence, the imminent Referendum on Scotland's future has also fired up many who are equally as passionate about retaining the Union. This debate is causing some right rammys amongst families, friends and even work colleagues up here. And what ever the outcome, there are going to be some very disappointed, angry and frustrated sore losers in the aftermath of the result which might very well dampen any triumphalism from the winning side.

    Cyclefree said:

    Bobajob said:

    @Cyclefree

    Indeed. No will no doubt win by default, but their defence has been risible. Remember the suggestion, made not too many moons ago, that we would be facing border patrol boats on the Clyde?

    I think the outcome will be much closer than people think. And I wouldn't be that surprised if yes did win.

    Those who are in favour of the Union should not want to win just by default. My feeling is that they are assuming that the UK is a good thing but are actually having difficulty coming up with real arguments, beyond "Well it's always been this way". And that may not be good enough.

    Fitalass: I was referring to politicians in England rather than people in Scotland. I should have made that clear. We don't get much sense here in London of the debate going on within Scotland itself on this topic.

  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Floater & Slackbladder demonstrate why the right wing in this country cannot win a majority. If all the right wing has any chance at all of forming a majority it should at least treat the electorate with some respect.


    But Floater & Slackbladder are most likely old white men who haven't really made anything of their life, are quite bitter, maybe have a partner who left them and read Guido to make the pain go away.

    Oh and slag of Labour voters to make themselves feel superior cos they know that they have achieved little themselves.
  • That Boris is suspiciously blonde for a man of Turkish parentage;

    Though of course the Turks did steal Christian children for their Janissary army.

    http://www.theottomans.org/english/campaigns_army/index_3.asp

    Perhaps that is how these legends start; a very long and not particularly pleasant history in the Balkans...


    tim said:

    Any Tory politician heading for Scotland should be reported on the Blonde Roma Hotline and stopped at the border

    Blonde hair seems to be fairly common in the South Pacific:

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=blonde+melanesian&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=KR9wUtX1HoqH0AWsxICYCg&ved=0CCwQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=538
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,477
    fitalass said:

    Apologies. The amount of hot air being expelled up here by politicians and those passionate about the issue of the Indy Ref could keep us all warm this winter. :)

    Cyclefree said:

    fitalass said:

    I would have to disagree strongly with those assumptions, you are totally misreading the mood up here in Scotland amongst many who want to remain within the Union. While many pro Independence voters are fired up at the chance of voting for Independence, the imminent Referendum on Scotland's future has also fired up many who are equally as passionate about retaining the Union. This debate is causing some right rammys amongst families, friends and even work colleagues up here. And what ever the outcome, there are going to be some very disappointed, angry and frustrated sore losers in the aftermath of the result which might very well dampen any triumphalism from the winning side.

    Cyclefree said:

    Bobajob said:

    @Cyclefree

    Indeed. No will no doubt win by default, but their defence has been risible. Remember the suggestion, made not too many moons ago, that we would be facing border patrol boats on the Clyde?

    I think the outcome will be much closer than people think. And I wouldn't be that surprised if yes did win.

    Those who are in favour of the Union should not want to win just by default. My feeling is that they are assuming that the UK is a good thing but are actually having difficulty coming up with real arguments, beyond "Well it's always been this way". And that may not be good enough.

    Fitalass: I was referring to politicians in England rather than people in Scotland. I should have made that clear. We don't get much sense here in London of the debate going on within Scotland itself on this topic.

    Indeed: if we could only tap into hot air from politicians, there would be no energy crisis!

  • That Boris is suspiciously blonde for a man of Turkish parentage;

    Though of course the Turks did steal Christian children for their Janissary army.

    http://www.theottomans.org/english/campaigns_army/index_3.asp

    Perhaps that is how these legends start; a very long and not particularly pleasant history in the Balkans...


    tim said:

    Any Tory politician heading for Scotland should be reported on the Blonde Roma Hotline and stopped at the border

    Blonde hair seems to be fairly common in the South Pacific:

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=blonde+melanesian&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=KR9wUtX1HoqH0AWsxICYCg&ved=0CCwQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=538
    Boris Johnson is married to a dark haired anglo-indian yet his offspring are resolutely blond.
    The Johnson family blondness seems to be a super dominant trait that can override multiple contrary alleles.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Good evening, everyone.

    On blondeness: there's a small region of south-western China where quite a few are naturally blonde. It's thought to be a two and a half millennia genetic hangover from when Alexander the Great settled veterans and wounded soldiers across his vast territory.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Labour big city leaders warn Miliband he risks open warfare over HS2 U-turn


    Labour's big city leaders have warned Ed Miliband he is heading for a long public battle over HS2 with his own party in the Midlands and North, in the run up to the next election

    http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/news/local-news/labour-leaders-warn-miliband-risks-6253212
  • tim said:

    Interesting piece about power ebbing away from Cameron who isn't interested in ideas

    @TelePolitics: Labour has its sights trained on the laurel hedges of the suburbs http://t.co/6BmYdGJ0aT.

    You naughty thing! Fancy directing us to a Miliband puff piece whilst disguising the fact that its author was the Riddler.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Even Bajan Rhianna has been known to be blonde...

    http://mobi.perezhilton.com/cocoperez/2013-06-01-rihanna-blonde-bangs-new-hair-see-here#.UnAnA7vyQjE


    As a father, I have chosen a rare picture of Rhianna with her kit on!

    Good evening, everyone.

    On blondeness: there's a small region of south-western China where quite a few are naturally blonde. It's thought to be a two and a half millennia genetic hangover from when Alexander the Great settled veterans and wounded soldiers across his vast territory.

  • Miliband recruits Lord Adonis to restore Labour's seriousness on HS2:

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/29/hs2-labour-support-rail-costs

    This both smacks of panic and is a recognition of the damage that Balls's antics are wreaking. Another slap down for Balls though.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,847

    Good evening, everyone.

    On blondeness: there's a small region of south-western China where quite a few are naturally blonde. It's thought to be a two and a half millennia genetic hangover from when Alexander the Great settled veterans and wounded soldiers across his vast territory.

    This is rather off-topic, but years ago I heard a Radio 4 program about a remote village in Staffordshire where for centuries people had been known as being 'black'. The theory was that master builders were brought back with their families from the crusades to build Lichfield and other cathedrals, but were not allowed to settle in the towns. They therefore settled in a remote area near the Peaks. The program did some genetic testing which proved inconclusive. Sadly I've utterly forgotten the name of the village.

    Blooming immigrants, coming over here, building our cathedrals ...

    In Ashbourne there is a hotel with a name and signboard over the street that, whilst traditional, is now rather non-PC. Since that program, I've wondered if this was connected with the story.

    http://www.ashbourne-town.com/villages/ashbourne/in.jpg
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Bloody hell. Leicester 4, Fulham 3! Missed the match.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,098
    tim said:

    Interesting piece about power ebbing away from Cameron who isn't interested in ideas

    @TelePolitics: Labour has its sights trained on the laurel hedges of the suburbs http://t.co/6BmYdGJ0aT

    Amusing that the Treasury want to build a New Town (sensibly) but Dave the landowner type fop is opposed, particularly when he found out the best site was in Nadine Dorries' constituency.

    So now you are a George fan. It had to happen.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    fitalass said:

    Twitter
    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges 1h
    Len McCluskey is in trouble, and this article proves Len McCluskey knows it http://tinyurl.com/ppf6bxz

    Wonderful comment.

    That power inequality has been on brutal display this week, and Labour politicians above all need to pay attention.

    The power inequality in question being the power of Len McCluskey versus the rabbit-in-the-headlights weakness of the Boy Miliband.

    This whole article seethes with menacing subtext; the subtext being "let this be a lesson to those who cross me".

    Poor old Ed. He didn't meet people like this at Oxford.
    " At a time of economic slump"

    Len mumbling on about an "economic slump" - has he been asleep for the last 3 quarters ?

    Bumbling old duffer..
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759

    Miliband recruits Lord Adonis to restore Labour's seriousness on HS2:

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/29/hs2-labour-support-rail-costs

    This both smacks of panic and is a recognition of the damage that Balls's antics are wreaking. Another slap down for Balls though.

    Bit disappointed with that.Lord Adonis may be technically sound but he is useless as a politician.One remembers him unable to take a decision about flights during the Icelandic volcano just days before the election.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Mr. Jessop, I understand that it certain areas (perhaps the Lake District) people still know what side their ancestors fought on in the civil war.

    It's interesting that certain things get kept for centuries. In Yorkshire the word lekkin (or 'laking' as some seem to have it) is a Viking word, meaning 'to play'. I think kecks (trousers) is similar.

  • Boris Johnson is married to a dark haired anglo-indian yet his offspring are resolutely blond.
    The Johnson family blondness seems to be a super dominant trait that can override multiple contrary alleles.

    And boy has Boris sought out multiple contrary alleles.

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    My family were roundheads; still are!

    Fought the Dutch too.

    Mr. Jessop, I understand that it certain areas (perhaps the Lake District) people still know what side their ancestors fought on in the civil war.

    It's interesting that certain things get kept for centuries. In Yorkshire the word lekkin (or 'laking' as some seem to have it) is a Viking word, meaning 'to play'. I think kecks (trousers) is similar.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    A letter bomb was sent to Villiers (Northern Ireland Secretary): http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-24728503

    Charming.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    SMukesh said:

    Miliband recruits Lord Adonis to restore Labour's seriousness on HS2:

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/29/hs2-labour-support-rail-costs

    This both smacks of panic and is a recognition of the damage that Balls's antics are wreaking. Another slap down for Balls though.

    Bit disappointed with that.Lord Adonis may be technically sound but he is useless as a politician.One remembers him unable to take a decision about flights during the Icelandic volcano just days before the election.
    Are we seeing The old grand duke of York politics by miliband.

    Is Labour really going to oppose HS2?

    Is Labour on an inexorable path towards opposing HS2? That appears to be the consensus at Westminster. But I am detecting a whiff of revisionism within Labour ranks, a sense that the party might have over-reached itself in its expression of doubt about the project. Here is why:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24702964
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    New thread

    Peter the Punter surveys the US political betting scene
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Mr. Foxinsox, don't know my family history that well (perhaps unexpectedly I am thoroughly disinterested in genealogy, and I think our historical records are not that good in any case).
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,847

    Mr. Jessop, I understand that it certain areas (perhaps the Lake District) people still know what side their ancestors fought on in the civil war.

    It's interesting that certain things get kept for centuries. In Yorkshire the word lekkin (or 'laking' as some seem to have it) is a Viking word, meaning 'to play'. I think kecks (trousers) is similar.

    Heh. Haven't heard 'kecks' in ages, although I thought it referred to underpants?.

    I've a book on Derbyshire dialect, 'Ey up mi duck!', and it's surprising how the dialect changes in one county; bits of Yorkshire in the north, Nottinghamshire in the east, and Staffordshire in the west.

    Mrs J's always amused when I use 'Put wood int th' ole!', which means 'close the f'ing door'. It's also used in your part of the world, or so I believe.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    IOS said:

    Floater & Slackbladder demonstrate why the right wing in this country cannot win a majority. If all the right wing has any chance at all of forming a majority it should at least treat the electorate with some respect.


    But Floater & Slackbladder are most likely old white men who haven't really made anything of their life, are quite bitter, maybe have a partner who left them and read Guido to make the pain go away.

    Oh and slag of Labour voters to make themselves feel superior cos they know that they have achieved little themselves.

    oh dear IOS you seem to have made a few factual errors in there - nothing new from you though eh?

    Still, unlike one of your compatriots this seems to be just ignorance rather than malicious.

    Lets see,

    I am white - you got that part right, congratulations!

    Unfortunately for you that was as good as it got, ie you were wrong on literally everything else.

    I am not a fan of Labour though, but considering how you trashed the Country that seems reasonable.

    I am wondering which Labour voters I slag off?

    not a fan of the vile smear bot, but who else do you think I "slag off" - evidence please.

  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @Tim

    'Interesting piece about power ebbing away from Cameron who isn't interested in ideas'

    Entirely predictable verbiage from Mary Riddell.
  • IOS said:

    Floater & Slackbladder demonstrate why the right wing in this country cannot win a majority. If all the right wing has any chance at all of forming a majority it should at least treat the electorate with some respect.


    But Floater & Slackbladder are most likely old white men who haven't really made anything of their life, are quite bitter, maybe have a partner who left them and read Guido to make the pain go away.

    Oh and slag of Labour voters to make themselves feel superior cos they know that they have achieved little themselves.

    Must be half term
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