Surely Britain wants to have the jihadi bride somewhere it can keep a close eye on her?
Our security services have quite enough people to keep an eye on here without needing to add to the list.
They are stretched and have not yet learnt the lessons from previous outrages, which may well have resulted in further atrocities which have cost lives here, including of children. See, for instance, the recent report from the Parliamentary Intelligence Committee (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-DemBSSMo_tb2JDcFhORnZ1d0NrbUhzT1Q5QzU5dS1McGU0/view). I make no criticism of them as they have an impossible job to do. But I see no good reason to add to their burden unnecessarily.
1. Has she committed any crimes while in Syria / Iraq or anywhere else she may have been in the last 4 years? We don’t know and it is far too soon to say that there is no evidence that she has not committed any crimes.
2. What is the proper forum for doing such an investigation and prosecuting such crimes? Syria and Iraq not Britain.
3. Has she committed any crimes against British law. Again, we don’t know and that needs a thorough investigation should she end up in Britain.
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4. If she ends up in Britain, is it in the child’s best interests to be brought up by a woman with her views and attitudes and history. In my view, no.
What I find tiresome and pretty sick-making is the constant “me-me-me” focus by her and her supporters with demands for Britain to get her out of the hole she has dug herself into, with little awareness of the sort of person they are talking about. The narcissistic sense of entitlement is pretty repulsive, frankly.
Re 1: how much time would you normally allocate for evidence to be found that someone not accused of anything criminal *might* have committed a crime? If she was being investigated by local authorities and they said they needed a further N weeks or months, fine, but AFAIK, nobody is investigating anything or said they plan to get round to it at some later point. Should we wait indefinitely for someone to do so? A month? A year? A lifetime?
Re 2: yes. If there is an investigation, let it be done there.
Re 3: see 1.
Re 4: that's a previous case, already decided, so I've not commented on it up to now. But the idea that certain opinions lead your child to be removed seems to me troubling. I detest Nazism. But would I feel that the child of a Nazi should be removed because of that fact? No. Would you?
If yes, how far into the mainstream would you take it? People who hate immigrants? People who admire Putin? It's a slippery slope, and in the end the political views of your parents may not be the crucial issue in their fitness to bring you up. Yes, there's a danger that they will indoctrinate their kids, as most parents do to some extent without even knowing it, but isn't it the job of schools to broaden minds, not social services by means of forced adoption?
I'm not normally the most libertarian type here - normally there are loads of people ready to denounce the infamy of ID cards and the right to be politically incorrect. Where are they when it gets difficult?
I don't even rely on thinking she might be redeemed. Maybe she'll spend her whole life ranting to anyone who'll listen. I simply think that British people who don't appear to have committed any crimes amd merely have repulsive opinions should be punished by Britain. Because once we start treating people differently if they have wrong ideas, which of us is entirely safe?
There are 4 separate issues here:-
3. Has she committed any crimes against British law. Again, we don’t know and that needs a thorough investigation should she end up in Britain.
In theory it is also possible to prosecute her here for crimes committed abroad but in practice it will likely be be impossible to do so - to do an investigation and collect evidence to the required standard of proof for an English court. So those rushing to say that she must be brought back to Britain are, in effect, allowing her to escape justice in the country in which she has chosen to live. That is a repellently arrogant attitude, as if being a British citizen should override all other considerations.
4. If she ends up in Britain, is it in the child’s best interests to be brought up by a woman with her views and attitudes and history. In my view, no.
What I find tiresome and pretty sick-making is the constant “me-me-me” focus by her and her supporters with demands for Britain to get her out of the hole she has dug herself into, with little awareness of the sort of person they are talking about. The narcissistic sense of entitlement is pretty repulsive, frankly.
How would (will?) we deal with a 19 year old man who, for whatever reason, ran away and joined ISIS when he was 15?
And now wants to come 'home'.
Why would / why should we waste money and put lives at risk to help such people?
I am rather in favour of the French approach which seems to be rather more hard-headed and is without the feeble sentimentality of some in Britain.
If they end up here we have to deal with them - but I would make no effort to help those who have joined terrorist organizations. There are better priorities. What is the number of threats in this country the police and security services are trying to deal with?
The baby is a different matter of course. Is it British? I understand her husband/father of the child is Dutch, so if they went through a form of marriage, presumably the child is also Dutch. Clearly the child is completely innocent of any wrongdoing so should it stay with its mother, or be handed over to one or other set of grandparents. Or be fostered somewhere.
The British airline Flybmi has gone bust, cancelling all flights with immediate effect and blaming Brexit as the main cause of its collapse.
LOL, will be excuse of choice for years, any loser will just blame it all on Brexit
Jamie Oliver comes to mind. His restaurants are shit, the chain went bankrupt because they are shit.
For years flybmi has a load factor below 60%, the likes of easyJet and Ryanair exceed 90%. I dare say Brexit uncertainty does not help, but flying small aircraft half-empty to unattractive destinations when facing extremely tough competitors probably had a lot more to do with their failure.
Mr. Palmer, she travelled a thousand miles to join a cult that sought to exterminate the Yazidis, crucified children, burnt prisoners alive (and dissolved others in acid), and committed industrial scale sexual slavery.
She was unfazed by severed heads. She doesn't regret going to join ISIS.
Comparing Little Miss ISIS to someone who doesn't like immigrants or admires Putin is ridiculous.
The British airline Flybmi has gone bust, cancelling all flights with immediate effect and blaming Brexit as the main cause of its collapse.
LOL, will be excuse of choice for years, any loser will just blame it all on Brexit
Jamie Oliver comes to mind. His restaurants are shit, the chain went bankrupt because they are shit.
For years flybmi has a load factor below 60%, the likes of easyJet and Ryanair exceed 90%. I dare say Brexit uncertainty does not help, but flying small aircraft half-empty to unattractive destinations when facing extremely tough competitors probably had a lot more to do with their failure.
But they are going bust now, a few weeks before Brexit. They might have solved their problems without it. We won't know.
I remember much the same arguments coming out during the very early Thatcher years when the government was squeezing demand. Sure, the weakest firms went first. What would you expect? That didn't make the policy sensible. And it didn't make the people who lost their jobs any less unemployed.
The British airline Flybmi has gone bust, cancelling all flights with immediate effect and blaming Brexit as the main cause of its collapse.
LOL, will be excuse of choice for years, any loser will just blame it all on Brexit
Jamie Oliver comes to mind. His restaurants are shit, the chain went bankrupt because they are shit.
For years flybmi has a load factor below 60%, the likes of easyJet and Ryanair exceed 90%. I dare say Brexit uncertainty does not help, but flying small aircraft half-empty to unattractive destinations when facing extremely tough competitors probably had a lot more to do with their failure.
But they are going bust now, a few weeks before Brexit. They might have solved their problems without it. We won't know.
I remember much the same arguments coming out during the very early Thatcher years when the government was squeezing demand. Sure, the weakest firms went first. What would you expect? That didn't make the policy sensible. And it didn't make the people who lost their jobs any less unemployed.
Given that it hasn't yet happened, I think it's a reasonable to assume they wouldn't have.
Can't read the whole article but I'd imagine with only it's tiny fleet bmi was fucked when it came to operating its intra-EU flights. Whilst a behemoth like EasyJet can hive off 100 planes to its European subsidiary and rejig its schedules flybmi would have been utterly reliant on circular routes and such to get the most out of its planes.
The hard Brexit deal we have on aviation would have been a death sentence regardless of other factors.
If other things are bad enough they will hide the bad effects of Brexit, because the company will go bust anyway, it will move production abroad anyway.etc. It doesn't stop Brexit being bad or stop it having an effect at the margins, in situations for example where companies don't care where they make their stuff or buy their stuff. Which is quite a lot of situations.
The British airline Flybmi has gone bust, cancelling all flights with immediate effect and blaming Brexit as the main cause of its collapse.
LOL, will be excuse of choice for years, any loser will just blame it all on Brexit
Jamie Oliver comes to mind. His restaurants are shit, the chain went bankrupt because they are shit.
For years flybmi has a load factor below 60%, the likes of easyJet and Ryanair exceed 90%. I dare say Brexit uncertainty does not help, but flying small aircraft half-empty to unattractive destinations when facing extremely tough competitors probably had a lot more to do with their failure.
But they are going bust now, a few weeks before Brexit. They might have solved their problems without it. We won't know.
I remember much the same arguments coming out during the very early Thatcher years when the government was squeezing demand. Sure, the weakest firms went first. What would you expect? That didn't make the policy sensible. And it didn't make the people who lost their jobs any less unemployed.
I'm certainly not claiming that Brexit has had no effect on flybmi, but it was a small airline operating inefficiently in a very competitive market. Brexit or not they were barely keeping their head above water, and the company had changed owners several times in recent years.
Mr. Palmer, she travelled a thousand miles to join a cult that sought to exterminate the Yazidis, crucified children, burnt prisoners alive (and dissolved others in acid), and committed industrial scale sexual slavery.
She was unfazed by severed heads. She doesn't regret going to join ISIS.
Comparing Little Miss ISIS to someone who doesn't like immigrants or admires Putin is ridiculous.
Slight correction here, if I may; one doesn't abandon one's schooling, friends, and family for ISIS, flee the country to Turkey, leave Turkey illicitly for Syria with the help of ISIS minders, get into the warzoney bit of Syria with the help of ISIS minders and then join ISIS.
The joining ISIS bit happens first.
Anyway, the correct approach is surely to decline consular or diplomatic assistance, press neighbouring countries to prosecute her if she turns up there, and if she makes it here then arrest her under s11 Terrorism Act and get the kid into care.
1. Has she committed any crimes while in Syria / Iraq or anywhere else she may have been in the last 4 years? We don’t know and it is far too soon to say that there is no evidence that she has not committed any crimes.
2. What is the proper forum for doing such an investigation and prosecuting such crimes? Syria and Iraq not Britain.
3. Has she committed any crimes against British law. Again, we don’t know and that needs a thorough investigation should she end up in Britain.
(snip for length)
4. If she ends up in Britain, is it in the child’s best interests to be brought up by a woman with her views and attitudes and history. In my view, no.
What I find tiresome and pretty sick-making is the constant “me-me-me” focus by her and her supporters with demands for Britain to get her out of the hole she has dug herself into, with little awareness of the sort of person they are talking about. The narcissistic sense of entitlement is pretty repulsive, frankly.
Re 4: that's a previous case, already decided, so I've not commented on it up to now. But the idea that certain opinions lead your child to be removed seems to me troubling. I detest Nazism. But would I feel that the child of a Nazi should be removed because of that fact? No. Would you?
I understand the point, but this woman, when she had the chance, willfully participated in a truly odious society even if the full extent of any personal involvement in something is probably hard to know. Given that proven willingness to involve herself in such things given half a chance, is the child safe with her? What is Boko Haram grabs up some territory, and she heads out there now some more territory is being 'appropriately' governed? Caution is well advised here, and its not as simple or easy as any might wish (edit: However, nor is it appropriate as many have done and divest this young woman of any responsibility simply because she was and is young), but surely in this case it is more than merely the holding of aberrant and abhorrent opinion? If she gets the chance she will do something terrible, and presumably take her child with her.
It's also very clear that Merkel is basically very useless. A German Theresa May. Completely over promoted. Though I think Theresa wouldn't have made the same error over migrants that she did.
It's also very clear that Merkel is basically very useless. A German Theresa May. Completely over promoted. Though I think Theresa wouldn't have made the same error over migrants that she did.
I'm not a super fan of Merkel, but I struggle to believe someone survives at the top of any nation's politics for over a decade without having more quality than that.
I do think that her much vaunted usual cautious approach has been revealed, in times of crisis, to be more akin to dithering, and that she is not immune to making the wrong call when she does make a big decision, but even acknowledging May has faced some pretty intense challenges not before Merkel, I doubt Merkel could be as bad as May.
May got deal a bad hand, but she's also played it incredibly poorly.
Mr. kle4, aye. If ISIS hadn't failed, she'd still be there, with no regrets, unfazed by severed heads in bins. She never chose to leave ISIS. She doesn't reject its reprehensible ideology.
I wish the media would stop droning on about Shamima Begum.
No one cares and she made her bed and she can lie in it . If this was pre internet and social media perhaps one could say she didn’t know exactly what was going on . But she knew exactly what IS was doing and chose after much planning to go to Syria .
She condoned and supported IS and shows no remorse what so ever . If she wants a better life now than she should have thought about that 5 years ago .
She can rot for all I care in that camp , if she wants to send her baby over fine , her parents can look after it but she can’t swan back without a care in the world .
Mr. Palmer, she travelled a thousand miles to join a cult that sought to exterminate the Yazidis, crucified children, burnt prisoners alive (and dissolved others in acid), and committed industrial scale sexual slavery.
She was unfazed by severed heads. She doesn't regret going to join ISIS.
Comparing Little Miss ISIS to someone who doesn't like immigrants or admires Putin is ridiculous.
Slight correction here, if I may; one doesn't abandon one's schooling, friends, and family for ISIS, flee the country to Turkey, leave Turkey illicitly for Syria with the help of ISIS minders, get into the warzoney bit of Syria with the help of ISIS minders and then join ISIS.
The joining ISIS bit happens first.
Anyway, the correct approach is surely to decline consular or diplomatic assistance, press neighbouring countries to prosecute her if she turns up there, and if she makes it here then arrest her under s11 Terrorism Act and get the kid into care.
The Express is saying Nigel Farage has 100000 members for his new party in one week.
Horseshit....unless by “members” they mean likes on Facebook.
Reading the article it says 35000 joined the first day followed by 10000 a day. The new Brexit party if true , would in members be similar to the Conservative party.
Possibly the same people.
Fairly sure it's their mailing list. The website doesn't have a joining form
Mr. kle4, aye. If ISIS hadn't failed, she'd still be there, with no regrets, unfazed by severed heads in bins. She never chose to leave ISIS. She doesn't reject its reprehensible ideology.
I wish the media would stop droning on about Shamima Begum.
No one cares and she made her bed and she can lie in it . If this was pre internet and social media perhaps one could say she didn’t know exactly what was going on . But she knew exactly what IS was doing and chose after much planning to go to Syria .
She condoned and supported IS and shows no remorse what so ever . If she wants a better life now than she should have thought about that 5 years ago .
She can rot for all I care in that camp , if she wants to send her baby over fine , her parents can look after it but she can’t swan back without a care in the world .
I'm not sure about giving the baby to Shamima's parents. They brought her up and look how that went.
I wish the media would stop droning on about Shamima Begum.
No one cares and she made her bed and she can lie in it . If this was pre internet and social media perhaps one could say she didn’t know exactly what was going on . But she knew exactly what IS was doing and chose after much planning to go to Syria .
She condoned and supported IS and shows no remorse what so ever . If she wants a better life now than she should have thought about that 5 years ago .
She can rot for all I care in that camp , if she wants to send her baby over fine , her parents can look after it but she can’t swan back without a care in the world .
I'm not sure about giving the baby to Shamima's parents. They brought her up and look how that went.
The baby is innocent and I’d have no problem with her parents looking after it . The mother however can rot in hell . Or saving that can come back and go straight to prison and remain there for a very long time .
I wish the media would stop droning on about Shamima Begum.
No one cares and she made her bed and she can lie in it . If this was pre internet and social media perhaps one could say she didn’t know exactly what was going on . But she knew exactly what IS was doing and chose after much planning to go to Syria .
She condoned and supported IS and shows no remorse what so ever . If she wants a better life now than she should have thought about that 5 years ago .
She can rot for all I care in that camp , if she wants to send her baby over fine , her parents can look after it but she can’t swan back without a care in the world .
I'm not sure about giving the baby to Shamima's parents. They brought her up and look how that went.
The baby is innocent and I’d have no problem with her parents looking after it . The mother however can rot in hell . Or saving that can come back and go straight to prison and remain there for a very long time .
Until 1997 the mother could have been executed for treason. Anything less than that she can thank her lucky stars if she returns to this country.
The baby should go into care if it returns to this country.
I wish the media would stop droning on about Shamima Begum.
No one cares and she made her bed and she can lie in it . If this was pre internet and social media perhaps one could say she didn’t know exactly what was going on . But she knew exactly what IS was doing and chose after much planning to go to Syria .
She condoned and supported IS and shows no remorse what so ever . If she wants a better life now than she should have thought about that 5 years ago .
She can rot for all I care in that camp , if she wants to send her baby over fine , her parents can look after it but she can’t swan back without a care in the world .
I'm not sure about giving the baby to Shamima's parents. They brought her up and look how that went.
The baby is innocent and I’d have no problem with her parents looking after it . The mother however can rot in hell . Or saving that can come back and go straight to prison and remain there for a very long time .
Shamima was innocent at her baby's age and before her parents brought her up to be a jehadi's tart. Taking the baby away gives him (so we are being led to believe) a chance in life.
I wish the media would stop droning on about Shamima Begum.
No one cares and she made her bed and she can lie in it . If this was pre internet and social media perhaps one could say she didn’t know exactly what was going on . But she knew exactly what IS was doing and chose after much planning to go to Syria .
She condoned and supported IS and shows no remorse what so ever . If she wants a better life now than she should have thought about that 5 years ago .
She can rot for all I care in that camp , if she wants to send her baby over fine , her parents can look after it but she can’t swan back without a care in the world .
I'm not sure about giving the baby to Shamima's parents. They brought her up and look how that went.
Exactly. Why entrust a baby to its grandparents who might support Ukip or worse?
Not really. The Times, Telegraph, Guardian and BBC all go with the "went to Syria to join Isis" formulation, and Shamima Begum herself agrees she "went to Syria to join the Caliphate" in the Times interview. I am guessing all those people know a bit about it. "Joining Isis" probably simply means going and physically joining them, there is no particular reason to think that you can sign up and get a nice little membership card in Bethnal Green.
Not really. The Times, Telegraph, Guardian and BBC all go with the "went to Syria to join Isis" formulation, and Shamima Begum herself agrees she "went to Syria to join the Caliphate" in the Times interview. I am guessing all those people know a bit about it. "Joining Isis" probably simply means going and physically joining them, there is no particular reason to think that you can sign up and get a nice little membership card in Bethnal Green.
She's hardly going to say anything about "contacts" in London, that wouldn't be good for her health. I can't believe that three unaccompanied girls just got their stuff together and set out for their promised land in a war zone without having help. I suspect MI5 will be with me on that.
Not really. The Times, Telegraph, Guardian and BBC all go with the "went to Syria to join Isis" formulation, and Shamima Begum herself agrees she "went to Syria to join the Caliphate" in the Times interview. I am guessing all those people know a bit about it. "Joining Isis" probably simply means going and physically joining them, there is no particular reason to think that you can sign up and get a nice little membership card in Bethnal Green.
She's hardly going to say anything about "contacts" in London, that wouldn't be good for her health. I can't believe that three unaccompanied girls just got their stuff together and set out for their promised land in a war zone without having help. I suspect MI5 will be with me on that.
Getting help (as of course she did) is not the issue.
Not really. The Times, Telegraph, Guardian and BBC all go with the "went to Syria to join Isis" formulation, and Shamima Begum herself agrees she "went to Syria to join the Caliphate" in the Times interview. I am guessing all those people know a bit about it. "Joining Isis" probably simply means going and physically joining them, there is no particular reason to think that you can sign up and get a nice little membership card in Bethnal Green.
She's hardly going to say anything about "contacts" in London, that wouldn't be good for her health. I can't believe that three unaccompanied girls just got their stuff together and set out for their promised land in a war zone without having help. I suspect MI5 will be with me on that.
MI5 didn't raise an eyebrow at the three unaccompanied girls flying to Turkey, which by then was known to be on the road to ISIS. The security services have not covered themselves in glory.
--------- Belonging to ISIS is indeed now a crime, but it wasn't when she joined them at age 15, and it can't be applied retrospectively. If our allies in the SDF wish to try her for something, they are free to do so. But they, like us, have not shown evidence that she's committed any crimes.
I don't even rely on thinking she might be redeemed. Maybe she'll spend her whole life ranting to anyone who'll listen. I simply think that British people who don't appear to have committed any crimes amd merely have repulsive opinions should be punished by Britain. Because once we start treating people differently if they have wrong ideas, which of us is entirely safe?
There are 4 separate issues here:-
1. Has she committed any crimes while in Syria / Iraq or anywhere else she may have been in the last 4 years? We don’t know and it is far too soon to say that there is no evidence that she has not committed any crimes.
2. What is the proper forum for doing such an investigation and prosecuting such crimes? Syria and Iraq not Britain.
3. Has she committed any crimes against British law. Again, we don’t know and that needs a thorough investigation should she end up in Britain.
In theory it is also possible to prosecute her here for crimes committed abroad but in practice it will likely be be impossible to do so - to do an investigation and collect evidence to the required standard of proof for an English court. So those rushing to say that she must be brought back to Britain are, in effect, allowing her to escape justice in the country in which she has chosen to live. That is a repellently arrogant attitude, as if being a British citizen should override all other considerations.
4. If she ends up in Britain, is it in the child’s best interests to be brought up by a woman with her views and attitudes and history. In my view, no.
What I find tiresome and pretty sick-making is the constant “me-me-me” focus by her and her supporters with demands for Britain to get her out of the hole she has dug herself into, with little awareness of the sort of person they are talking about. The narcissistic sense of entitlement is pretty repulsive, frankly.
I think the only defensible position on this is that we follow our laws. If they require us to make serious efforts to repatriate this woman and her child, so be it. If not, then not.
One thing we ought to be avoiding is any Home Secretary having effective power of life or death over any given individual.
Can't read the whole article but I'd imagine with only it's tiny fleet bmi was fucked when it came to operating its intra-EU flights. Whilst a behemoth like EasyJet can hive off 100 planes to its European subsidiary and rejig its schedules flybmi would have been utterly reliant on circular routes and such to get the most out of its planes.
The hard Brexit deal we have on aviation would have been a death sentence regardless of other factors.
Re 1: how much time would you normally allocate for evidence to be found that someone not accused of anything criminal *might* have committed a crime? If she was being investigated by local authorities and they said they needed a further N weeks or months, fine, but AFAIK, nobody is investigating anything or said they plan to get round to it at some later point. Should we wait indefinitely for someone to do so? A month? A year? A lifetime?
Re 4: that's a previous case, already decided, so I've not commented on it up to now. But the idea that certain opinions lead your child to be removed seems to me troubling. I detest Nazism. But would I feel that the child of a Nazi should be removed because of that fact? No. Would you?
If yes, how far into the mainstream would you take it? People who hate immigrants? People who admire Putin? It's a slippery slope, and in the end the political views of your parents may not be the crucial issue in their fitness to bring you up.
1. She’s only just been found. The idea that a thorough investigation has been done into her activities over the last 4 years is ridiculous. These things take time, especially in a war zone, which is not yet at peace. Google how much time it has taken to bring war criminals in the former Yugoslavia to justice.
On 4, the issue is whether it is in the best interests of the child to be brought up by a woman who joined a terrorist organization, may well have committed serious crimes and is wholly unrepentant about what she has done. A Nazi couple were recently convicted and their children taken away. This seems to me to be very similar.
She may well be a criminal, particularly if she continues to pledge allegiance to IS. That is the crucial difference between someone admiring Putin or disliking immigrants, neither of which are criminal offences.
The best interests of the child should come first. Being brought up by someone pledging allegiance to IS does not seem to me to be in the child’s best interests. There is little point wailing about vulnerable teenagers being groomed by wicked IS people and then allowing an even more vulnerable baby to be groomed by an IS person, even if she is its mother. The other issue is the burden the child will face knowing what its father and mother did, akin to the burden the innocent children of Nazi criminals faced. Is that in its best interests? These are not easy questions. But you are, I am sorry to say, too glib in your response and your comparisons.
If the mother wants to live quietly with her child, a measure of thoughtfulness and repentance and understanding of what it means to be a British citizen is needed from her.
"On Sunday, Loganair stepped in to take over three Flybmi routes from Aberdeen to Bristol, Oslo and Esbjerg. However, these will not start until 4 March.
The two carriers are owned by the same holding company, Airline Investments."
Can't read the whole article but I'd imagine with only it's tiny fleet bmi was fucked when it came to operating its intra-EU flights. Whilst a behemoth like EasyJet can hive off 100 planes to its European subsidiary and rejig its schedules flybmi would have been utterly reliant on circular routes and such to get the most out of its planes.
The hard Brexit deal we have on aviation would have been a death sentence regardless of other factors.
And the other EU airlines that have gone under?
Looking at that telegraph article, 500,000 passengers pa 17 planes = approx. 30,000 passengers per plane pa Allowing a paltry 300 days service per plane pa that equals 100 passengers per plane per day.
Either the telegraph is miles out with its figures or it is astounding flyBe lasted so long.
This has to be the worst Sunday thread header in the history of thread headers, perhaps ever
My apologies. Both TSE and I are away this weekend in locations with no WiFi and almost no mobile connectivity. I've had to walk about 500 metres from where to post this.
It was definitely a tongue in cheek comment - I very much appreciate all the effort you and the editors put in to get multiple interesting headers each day!
Can't read the whole article but I'd imagine with only it's tiny fleet bmi was fucked when it came to operating its intra-EU flights. Whilst a behemoth like EasyJet can hive off 100 planes to its European subsidiary and rejig its schedules flybmi would have been utterly reliant on circular routes and such to get the most out of its planes.
The hard Brexit deal we have on aviation would have been a death sentence regardless of other factors.
And the other EU airlines that have gone under?
This isn’t aimed at you but where would this place be if people didn’t post “facts” which reveal they have no bloody clue. What was BMI regional’s fleet, legacy profitability, RASK, CASK, business plan and business proposition? What have fuel prices done which haven’t affected other airlines in the same way?
Perhaps we could discuss the failures of Air Berlin or Alitalia or Air Comet or Air Madrid or Cimber or Small Planet or Eurolot or or or.
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But my cover story (geddit?) is that my jumper was assumed to be American and I was therefore writing in dialect.
They are stretched and have not yet learnt the lessons from previous outrages, which may well have resulted in further atrocities which have cost lives here, including of children. See, for instance, the recent report from the Parliamentary Intelligence Committee (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-DemBSSMo_tb2JDcFhORnZ1d0NrbUhzT1Q5QzU5dS1McGU0/view). I make no criticism of them as they have an impossible job to do. But I see no good reason to add to their burden unnecessarily.
Re 2: yes. If there is an investigation, let it be done there.
Re 3: see 1.
Re 4: that's a previous case, already decided, so I've not commented on it up to now. But the idea that certain opinions lead your child to be removed seems to me troubling. I detest Nazism. But would I feel that the child of a Nazi should be removed because of that fact? No. Would you?
If yes, how far into the mainstream would you take it? People who hate immigrants? People who admire Putin? It's a slippery slope, and in the end the political views of your parents may not be the crucial issue in their fitness to bring you up. Yes, there's a danger that they will indoctrinate their kids, as most parents do to some extent without even knowing it, but isn't it the job of schools to broaden minds, not social services by means of forced adoption?
I'm not normally the most libertarian type here - normally there are loads of people ready to denounce the infamy of ID cards and the right to be politically incorrect. Where are they when it gets difficult?
She was unfazed by severed heads. She doesn't regret going to join ISIS.
Comparing Little Miss ISIS to someone who doesn't like immigrants or admires Putin is ridiculous.
Not as bad as when Richard Bacon thought lamb and sheep were different species...
I remember much the same arguments coming out during the very early Thatcher years when the government was squeezing demand. Sure, the weakest firms went first. What would you expect? That didn't make the policy sensible. And it didn't make the people who lost their jobs any less unemployed.
The hard Brexit deal we have on aviation would have been a death sentence regardless of other factors.
The joining ISIS bit happens first.
Anyway, the correct approach is surely to decline consular or diplomatic assistance, press neighbouring countries to prosecute her if she turns up there, and if she makes it here then arrest her under s11 Terrorism Act and get the kid into care.
I do think that her much vaunted usual cautious approach has been revealed, in times of crisis, to be more akin to dithering, and that she is not immune to making the wrong call when she does make a big decision, but even acknowledging May has faced some pretty intense challenges not before Merkel, I doubt Merkel could be as bad as May.
May got deal a bad hand, but she's also played it incredibly poorly.
No one cares and she made her bed and she can lie in it . If this was pre internet and social media perhaps one could say she didn’t know exactly what was going on . But she knew exactly what IS was doing and chose after much planning to go to Syria .
She condoned and supported IS and shows no remorse what so ever . If she wants a better life now than she should have thought about that 5 years ago .
She can rot for all I care in that camp , if she wants to send her baby over fine , her parents can look after it but she can’t swan back without a care in the world .
Near naked men scramble for sticks in Japan
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-47271181
The baby should go into care if it returns to this country.
Upsettingly though we''d have to bite the bullet and do our best to protect her.
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If they require us to make serious efforts to repatriate this woman and her child, so be it. If not, then not.
One thing we ought to be avoiding is any Home Secretary having effective power of life or death over any given individual.
Is he running?
On 4, the issue is whether it is in the best interests of the child to be brought up by a woman who joined a terrorist organization, may well have committed serious crimes and is wholly unrepentant about what she has done. A Nazi couple were recently convicted and their children taken away. This seems to me to be very similar.
She may well be a criminal, particularly if she continues to pledge allegiance to IS. That is the crucial difference between someone admiring Putin or disliking immigrants, neither of which are criminal offences.
The best interests of the child should come first. Being brought up by someone pledging allegiance to IS does not seem to me to be in the child’s best interests. There is little point wailing about vulnerable teenagers being groomed by wicked IS people and then allowing an even more vulnerable baby to be groomed by an IS person, even if she is its mother. The other issue is the burden the child will face knowing what its father and mother did, akin to the burden the innocent children of Nazi criminals faced. Is that in its best interests? These are not easy questions. But you are, I am sorry to say, too glib in your response and your comparisons.
If the mother wants to live quietly with her child, a measure of thoughtfulness and repentance and understanding of what it means to be a British citizen is needed from her.
"On Sunday, Loganair stepped in to take over three Flybmi routes from Aberdeen to Bristol, Oslo and Esbjerg. However, these will not start until 4 March.
The two carriers are owned by the same holding company, Airline Investments."
All fine and dandy.
If there were one, what would the new party be called?
500,000 passengers pa
17 planes
= approx. 30,000 passengers per plane pa
Allowing a paltry 300 days service per plane pa that equals 100 passengers per plane per day.
Either the telegraph is miles out with its figures or it is astounding flyBe lasted so long.
https://www.spellchecker.net/misspellings/thresd
The Sunday open theresa. Hmm
Perhaps we could discuss the failures of Air Berlin or Alitalia or Air Comet or Air Madrid or Cimber or Small Planet or Eurolot or or or.