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edited October 2013 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » By-Election Review: October 24th 2013

Loughborough, Hastings on Charnwood
Result: Labour 554 (61%), Conservative 127 (14%), UKIP 111 (12%), British Democrats 85 (9%), Liberal Democrats 26 (3%)
Labour HOLD

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  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,847
    First creepy stalking zealot?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Pretty mixed bag - and for an unpopular mid-term government, not too shabby....UKIP seem to be taking votes from more than just the Tories.....
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    FPT @MaxPB

    @MaxPB

    ...recovering that final 1.3% will see the unemployment figure fall below the BoE's 7% guidance which is going to mean interest rate rises at some point in 2014.

    ...


    An astute post Max.

    But I would disagree with your prediction that the BoE will raise interest rates in 2014 because unemployment has reached the 7% threshold.

    Mark Carney addressed this point yesterday in Q&A from journalists and business leaders at an FT special conference. The 7% unemployment threshold is not a target nor is it an automatic trigger for interest rate increases.

    Partly because the unemployment rate is easily understood and meaningful to the general public, the BoE MPC are using it as a composite indicator of a number of factors which signal the state of the economy.

    The BoE believe that a 5% unemployment rate would indicate full recovery of the productive capacity of the economy lost since the 2007-9 recession. The 7% rate is seen as a milestone en route to full recovery.

    However, the Bank is looking not just at the unemployment rate but also productivity. Both the 7% threshold and the 5% 'target' assume that the productivity gap (currently around 8% below 2007 levels) will recover in line with output.

    If this happens then output will have to grow at a faster rate than employment. Sometime over the next two years the falls in unemployment will abate as productivity catches up. This is why getting to a 7% unemployment rate will take longer and be more difficult to achieve than simply adding the same amount of growth which delivered the previous 1% fall in the unemployment rate.

    Carney made it clear yesterday that a fall in unemployment (even to the pre-announced 7% threshold) without a matching or greater increase in productivity would not be sufficient to justify increasing interest rates.

    Expect to hear a lot more about the need to improve productivity over the next few months. Most economists believe it is the only sound means of paying for and achieving much demanded rises in living standards.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    On topic

    Kippers rotting, Labour not threatening, Lib Dems sticking like a stubborn stain.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,047
    edited October 2013
    FPT@Simon

    "Roger, in the words of Mr Pork FPT - "Unite made a fool out themselves."

    I think they did but that doesn't alter the fact that we have reached a pretty dismal point in our economic evolution when a single billionaire owner can make an 800 strong workforce humiliate themselves in order to keep their jobs

    I know nothing about their work but logic dictates if the business has been failing it's hardly likely to have been caused by the decisions of the 800 cannon fodder.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    tim said:

    I'm struggling to see the Maddie implications

    @BBCBreaking: DNA tests confirm Bulgarian Roma woman as mother of mystery child Maria found in Greece last week http://t.co/AGq19vSsYO

    But I'll bet the story morphs from baby stealers into baby sellers.

    'I'm struggling'

    That's all we needed.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    Pretty mixed bag - and for an unpopular mid-term government, not too shabby....UKIP seem to be taking votes from more than just the Tories.....

    Labour did lose a whole bunch of votes to UKIP in Wigan, but the notable result from the list was I thought the Labour gain in the East Midlands.

    Labour won't be upset that their best result of the night was in fertile marginal seat territory.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited October 2013
    tim said:

    I'm struggling to see the Maddie implications

    @BBCBreaking: DNA tests confirm Bulgarian Roma woman as mother of mystery child Maria found in Greece last week http://t.co/AGq19vSsYO

    But I'll bet the story morphs from baby stealers into baby sellers.

    Believing that selling a baby is less repugnant than stealing one is a particularly Tory view.

    Have you shifted to the right in response to George's growth tsunami, tim?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,047
    @Tim
    "IDS hits back at Major: "I’m always happy to be in awe of someone whose own intellect delivered us the cones hotline" http://t.co/WHZNhld35E"

    Quite a good line from an opponent. From someone on the same side with IDS's record it just shows a lack of class
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    tim said:

    I'm struggling to see the Maddie implications

    @BBCBreaking: DNA tests confirm Bulgarian Roma woman as mother of mystery child Maria found in Greece last week http://t.co/AGq19vSsYO

    But I'll bet the story morphs from baby stealers into baby sellers.

    'I'm struggling'

    Talk about stating the obvious..

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    This slipped under the radar:

    "Grangemouth owners Ineos draft in Slaughter and May for Unite libel battle"

    Ineos issued the claim after the union made allegations in a press release about an investigation into company employee Stephen Deans, who was also the chair of the Falkirk Constituency Labour Party (CLP).

    http://www.thelawyer.com/news/practice-areas/litigation-news/grangemouth-owners-ineos-draft-in-slaughter-and-may-for-unite-libel-battle/3011546.article
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited October 2013
    @Roger – “I know nothing about their work but logic dictates if the business has been failing it's hardly likely to have been caused by the decisions of the 800 cannon fodder.”

    Businesses lose money all the time, it is the actions of the CEO that either saves the company from going under, with the subsequent loss of jobs etc, or not.

    Unite chose the wrong battle, on the wrong terrain and lost the war.

    No one is blaming the workers – if that is what you mean by ‘cannon fodder’
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    Pretty mixed bag - and for an unpopular mid-term government, not too shabby....UKIP seem to be taking votes from more than just the Tories.....

    Labour did lose a whole bunch of votes to UKIP in Wigan, but the notable result from the list was I thought the Labour gain in the East Midlands.

    Labour won't be upset that their best result of the night was in fertile marginal seat territory.
    The other seat in that council also saw a swing to Labour from the Conservatives, and both those wards are in the Loughborough marginal.

    It is number 52 on Labour's target list, and the 43rd Conservative seat. If Labour win Loughborough in 2015 then Ed Miliband will become PM.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724

    @Roger – “I know nothing about their work but logic dictates if the business has been failing it's hardly likely to have been caused by the decisions of the 800 cannon fodder.”

    Businesses lose money all the time, it is the actions of the CEO that either saves the company from going under, with the subsequent loss of jobs etc, or not.

    Unite chose the wrong battle, on the wrong terrain and lost the war.

    No one is blaming the workers – if that is what you mean by ‘cannon fodder’

    The biggest mistake the 800 on average salaries of £55k [therefore in the top 15%?] made was to trust Unite to negotiate.

    And look what happened. If I discovered the same team were negotiating at my workplace - I'd be very alarmed.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    Pretty mixed bag - and for an unpopular mid-term government, not too shabby....UKIP seem to be taking votes from more than just the Tories.....

    Labour did lose a whole bunch of votes to UKIP in Wigan, but the notable result from the list was I thought the Labour gain in the East Midlands.

    Labour won't be upset that their best result of the night was in fertile marginal seat territory.
    Shepshed West
    Result of last election (2011): (emboldened denotes elected)
    Conservative 1,000, 960
    Labour 934, 801
    Liberal Democrat 481, 396

    Shepshed West on Charnwood
    Result: Labour 683 (48%), Conservative 560 (39%), Liberal Democrat 178 (13%)
    Labour GAIN from Conservative

    Interesting that the entire increase in Labour's percentage vote share came from the Lib Dems.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Roger said:

    @Tim
    "IDS hits back at Major: "I’m always happy to be in awe of someone whose own intellect delivered us the cones hotline" http://t.co/WHZNhld35E"

    Quite a good line from an opponent. From someone on the same side with IDS's record it just shows a lack of class

    The cones hotline arguably marked one of the most important philosophical shifts in government of the last two generations. The idea that government might be accountable for its actions against externally measured metrics was novel at the time, but we've never looked back.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,765
    tim said:

    I'm struggling to see the Maddie implications

    @BBCBreaking: DNA tests confirm Bulgarian Roma woman as mother of mystery child Maria found in Greece last week http://t.co/AGq19vSsYO

    But I'll bet the story morphs from baby stealers into baby sellers.

    Are you implying that Maddie was sold.....
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    tim said:

    AveryLP said:

    tim said:

    I'm struggling to see the Maddie implications

    @BBCBreaking: DNA tests confirm Bulgarian Roma woman as mother of mystery child Maria found in Greece last week http://t.co/AGq19vSsYO

    But I'll bet the story morphs from baby stealers into baby sellers.

    Believing that selling a baby is less repugnant than stealing one is a particularly Tory view.

    Have you shifted to the right in response to George's growth tsunami, tim?
    It looks like a story of a baby being given up at birth by a poor mother, launching some of the sickest media behaviour in living memory
    Your explanation is as much unfounded in fact as the initial reaction of the media.

    Why don't we just wait until the police reveal the facts before reaching conclusions?
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    Perhaps Len McCluskey after his stunning victory in Grangemouth will up the ante in Ealing.

    http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/no-parking-ticket-day-on-cards-for-ealing-motorists/
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,090
    Interesting survey from Unlock Democracy on party funding. Since 2001 of the top 10 donors 8 were to Labour, 1 to Conservative, and I to Lib Dems. No 1 was Unite with donations of £41,426,890.70p and No 2 was Unison with £19,665,505.39p. The sole Conservative donor in the top 10 was Paul Getty with £5m and the Lib Dem was the Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust with £5,391,345.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    AveryLP said:

    Pretty mixed bag - and for an unpopular mid-term government, not too shabby....UKIP seem to be taking votes from more than just the Tories.....

    Labour did lose a whole bunch of votes to UKIP in Wigan, but the notable result from the list was I thought the Labour gain in the East Midlands.

    Labour won't be upset that their best result of the night was in fertile marginal seat territory.
    Shepshed West
    Result of last election (2011): (emboldened denotes elected)
    Conservative 1,000, 960
    Labour 934, 801
    Liberal Democrat 481, 396

    Shepshed West on Charnwood
    Result: Labour 683 (48%), Conservative 560 (39%), Liberal Democrat 178 (13%)
    Labour GAIN from Conservative

    Interesting that the entire increase in Labour's percentage vote share came from the Lib Dems.
    Yes. There were more than 9,000 Lib Dem votes in the Parliamentary constituency that ward is part of at GE2010, and the Conservative majority is less than 4,000.

    Interesting in the other ward that the Conservative vote share more than halved, as they lost votes to UKIP and "Brit Dems Stop Immigration Leave EU", who did not stand in the 2011 elections.

    Those are precisely the two changes that Mike has identified from the opinion polling. Conservatives losing votes to UKIP and Labour picking up former Lib Dems.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited October 2013
    antifrank said:

    Roger said:

    @Tim
    "IDS hits back at Major: "I’m always happy to be in awe of someone whose own intellect delivered us the cones hotline" http://t.co/WHZNhld35E"

    Quite a good line from an opponent. From someone on the same side with IDS's record it just shows a lack of class

    The cones hotline arguably marked one of the most important philosophical shifts in government of the last two generations. The idea that government might be accountable for its actions against externally measured metrics was novel at the time, but we've never looked back.
    Did you ever hear Chris Tarrant on Capital Radio when he rang the Cones Hotline? It was tremendous - clearly the 0800 number rang on some bloke's desk and he was surley, WTF is this? Cones Hotline? Are you having a larf? Eff Off...

    I was crying with laughter all the way to work.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Public ownership is equivalent to homeopathy. it doesn't work, never has , never will , but there will always be zealots who think it does.
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