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Thanks once again to Fat Steve for making the arrangements. The next PB gathering will be at the Dirty Dicks pub just across the road from Liverpool Street Station in London from 1830 on Wednesday November 20th. These have become very much a tradition and a good time is generally had by all.

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  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    FPT

    Correct AA Fuel Prices and rankings
    ==================================================
    AUTOMOBILE ASSOCIATION: SEPTEMBER 2013
    UK pence per litre
    Rank Country Unleaded Diesel
    --------------------------------------------------
    1 Norway 1.5713 1.4614
    2 Netherlands 1.5237 1.2536
    3 Italy 1.4925 1.4118
    4 Greece 1.4471 1.2199
    5 Finland 1.3890 1.2654
    6 Sweden 1.3832 1.3784
    --------------------------------------------------
    7 United Kingdom 1.3760 1.4250
    --------------------------------------------------
    8 Belgium 1.3512 1.2443
    9 Ireland 1.3470 1.2620
    10 Portugal 1.3436 1.1686
    11 Denmark 1.3301 1.2128
    12 Germany 1.2923 1.1955
    13 Slovakia 1.2780 1.1880
    14 France 1.2746 1.2014
    15 Malta 1.2536 1.1610
    16 Slovenia 1.2511 1.1930
    17 Switzerland 1.2164 1.2851
    18 Czech Republic 1.1979 1.1838
    19 Cyprus 1.1905 1.1989
    20 Spain 1.1846 1.1484
    21 Austria 1.1762 1.1602
    22 Lithuania 1.1527 1.0966
    23 Hungary 1.1423 1.1986
    24 Latvia 1.1396 1.0918
    25 Bulgaria 1.1228 1.1443
    26 Poland 1.1207 1.1207
    27 Luxembourg 1.1198 1.0281
    28 Estonia 1.0761 1.0971
    29 Romania 1.0717 1.1372
    30 United States 0.5822 0.6524
    ================================================
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,574
    Ack - Can't do as its a weeknight. I'll probably be at Doncaster Races though this Sat - anyone else who fancies coming pm me, might have a free ticket.
  • R0bertsR0berts Posts: 391
    No surprise that the public are less than warm to Gove's pet projects.

    Good on the Lib Dems for making a fuss, though perhaps they might like to have taken a stand earlier, and on similar Tory ideological crusades like ripping up our NHS.
  • Very good, Marf!
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Awesome Marf - Twice in one day, but there’s a bug in the roses, and it ain’t greenfly…!
  • I hope I'll be able to make the 20th. Are we running the usual sweepstake on where JohnO ends up?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,112
    This child abduction thing is totally surreal. Maria's supposed parents also look nothing like her! Not saying that doesn't mean they aren't the parents, just commenting on the absurdity of the Irish case.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,301
    Is Mr Thomas going to attend the meet?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,047
    FPT @Tim

    "Cameron 'not interested in education'"

    I always had a soft spot for Kenneth Baker and he's got Gove spot on.

    It seems all Thatcher's ex cabinet are now falling in line behind Russel Brand!
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    I listen in, You tap, He gets banned from posting.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24658177

    Why tapping mobile calls is 'trivial'

  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited October 2013
    On Free Schools, I don't think this is an issue of any salience. Those who actually want to send their kids to one are presumably very much in favour and care a lot, those parents who are against have no reason to care very much - no one is forcing them to choose a free school for their kids - and those who are ideologically opposed or part of the educational vested interests who have sent us down to near-bottom in the OECD rankings were never going to vote Conservative anyway - they don't want the disaster which is much of UK state education to be challenged.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Remember everyone - the man from Special Branch will have shiny shoes.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    On a roll Marf!
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    edited October 2013
    In this round, what happens next? Orders popcorn and drinks.

    The dispute first flared up in the summer over the company's treatment of Unite official Stephen Deans, who has worked at Grangemouth for more than 20 years He was accused of trying to rig the selection of a Labour candidate for the Falkirk seat at Westminster but was later cleared. But Ineos has been carrying out its own investigation into claims Mr Deans improperly used the refinery for union business. Its findings are due to be published on Friday.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24647843

    At least Tom Watson is maintaining radio silence, perhaps until he has had his foot surgically removed from his mouth.
  • tim said:

    So Universal Credit has been scuppered by the not clever enough IDS, and the Free Schools flagship has been holed beneath the waterline by the too-clever-by-half Gove.

    No, both are very much on track. The only question is whether in 2015 we regress back to the bad old days, or whether the progress continues.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited October 2013

    On Free Schools, I don't think this is an issue of any salience. Those who actually want to send their kids to one are presumably very much in favour and care a lot, those parents who are against have no reason to care very much - no one is forcing them to choose a free school for their kids - and those who are ideologically opposed or part of the educational vested interests who have sent us down to near-bottom in the OECD rankings were never going to vote Conservative anyway - they don't want the disaster which is much of UK state education to be challenged.


    In a nut shell Mr Nabavi - far to early of course to know if free schools are a success or not, but the shake up of bog standard state schooling certainly has some in a tizz.
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited October 2013

    In a nut shell Mr Nabavi - far to early of course to know free schools are a success or not, but the shake up of bog standard stat schooling certainly has some in a tizz.

    Some will be a success, and some won't. Parents have choice they didn't have before, and poor performing schools under LEA control have some competition to spur them to improve.

    Of course in numeric terms the Blair-syle academies are a much more significant part of Gove's reforms. Oddly, tim seems remarkably reticent about praising Gove for getting on so successfully with the reforms which Blair wanted to do but which were held back by the forces of darkness.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    Unlike the Dept for Business Information and Skills, PB can look forward to drinks.

    http://order-order.com/2013/10/24/that-recovery-in-full/#comment-1913125

    Tis a good job that there are no nationalised breweries.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    tim said:

    So Universal Credit has been scuppered by the not clever enough IDS....

    I don't read much NAO-speak. Is what they say on Universal Credit par for the course, or is it as bad as it sounds?
    The source of many problems has been the absence of a detailed view of how Universal Credit is meant to work. In addition, poor control and decision-making undermined confidence in the programme and contributed to a lack of progress.
    That sounds pretty damning to me.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    In the article posted by Dr Spyn there is the nugget that len wants to meet Ratcliffe face to face.

    That would make a good C4 documentary!!
  • R0bertsR0berts Posts: 391

    vested interests who have sent us down to near-bottom in the OECD rankings

    You mean those vested interests who think marketisation of education is a good idea?

    Those obsessed with choice, competition and all the targets, bureaucracy, ineffeciency that comes with it?

    Those like Michael Gove and New Labour before him?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    dr_spyn said:


    At least Tom Watson is maintaining radio silence, perhaps until he has had his foot surgically removed from his mouth.

    He wasn't yesterday:

    "I am sure that the Secretary of State will be as saddened as many of the workers were to hear that the negotiations that he managed to secure around the table at ACAS were slightly thwarted because the billionaire hedge fund manger who runs INEOS, Mr Jim Ratcliffe, was on his yacht in the Mediterranean, so the negotiating team had to phone him. I think that shows a lack of seriousness. One of the big concerns people have is that tax avoidance disguises the profitability of the site. Will the Secretary of State consider conducting an independent financial assessment of the site to see what options future buyers might have?"
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,047
    Yes perhaps two of my favourite Marf Cartoons on consecutive threads.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    edited October 2013
    @Taffys An ideal move, would be to rent a Scottish Palace with rooms similar in seize to Mussolini's office in Sala del Mappamondo, in the Palazzo Venezia.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/8325274/Mussolini-balcony-to-be-reopened-after-decades-of-neglect.html
    One, two, three, four, keep him waiting at the door,
    five, six seven, eight...come.
  • hucks67hucks67 Posts: 758
    I sense that this government are just about to go through a rough patch, with the Tories slipping back a bit in the polls and Labour regularly hitting 40% +. The public are finally sensing that the Tories are an arrogant out of touch bunch, who will not tackle the strong vested interests in the country.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,047
    Knowing Tim's dislike of repetition I hope he doesn't mind me replaying his link from the last thread which seems particularly relevant to this one.

    http://www.politicshome.com/uk/story/38051/

  • MarfMarf Posts: 20
    Hi NSA! Hi everyone!

    Just to say your comments have been so kind lately, and thanks as always for cheering me up.

    Re-DD's on the 20th of November, sadly I can't make it. I'll be visiting my Mum. Have a great time, everyone, and thanks, SeanT, for the drinks fund.
  • MillsyMillsy Posts: 900
    There was also a sharp move against Academies in the same poll
  • hucks67 said:

    I sense that this government are just about to go through a rough patch, with the Tories slipping back a bit in the polls and Labour regularly hitting 40% +. The public are finally sensing that the Tories are an arrogant out of touch bunch, who will not tackle the strong vested interests in the country.

    Thanks so much for that. Labour MP's feet smell.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    dr_spyn said:


    At least Tom Watson is maintaining radio silence, perhaps until he has had his foot surgically removed from his mouth.

    He wasn't yesterday:

    "I am sure that the Secretary of State will be as saddened as many of the workers were to hear that the negotiations that he managed to secure around the table at ACAS were slightly thwarted because the billionaire hedge fund manger who runs INEOS, Mr Jim Ratcliffe, was on his yacht in the Mediterranean, so the negotiating team had to phone him. I think that shows a lack of seriousness. One of the big concerns people have is that tax avoidance disguises the profitability of the site. Will the Secretary of State consider conducting an independent financial assessment of the site to see what options future buyers might have?"
    Why does he call Jim Ratcliffe a hedge fund manager?

    Jim is just a top bloke. A nice ordinary chemical engineer (and northern to boot) who bought a near bankrup plant from ICI (chlorine possible?), turned it around and then used it as collateral to buy a series of bigger businesses. The last one being BP Chemicals, which is what nearly flattened him.

    I can only assume that Watson (a) hasn't done his research and (b) is using "hedge fund manager" as some kind of insult.
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    On Free Schools, I don't think this is an issue of any salience. Those who actually want to send their kids to one are presumably very much in favour and care a lot, those parents who are against have no reason to care very much - no one is forcing them to choose a free school for their kids - and those who are ideologically opposed or part of the educational vested interests who have sent us down to near-bottom in the OECD rankings were never going to vote Conservative anyway - they don't want the disaster which is much of UK state education to be challenged.

    I agree with this post Richard. I'd send my son to a Free School if it was any good (an admission Antifrank will no doubt use in his campaign to cast me as a rich latte-drinking London champagne socialist benefit-scrounging liberal). I suspect some Free Schools will be good, and others shite. Just as some normal comps are good and others shite.

    What I do object to, as with all schools, is their being run by religious nutters who send girls to the back of the class and who teach malleable little brains that a beardy bloke walked on water before turning the same chemical compound into a punchy Malbec.

    Hopefully someone will do something about that.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    hucks67 said:

    I sense that this government are just about to go through a rough patch, with the Tories slipping back a bit in the polls and Labour regularly hitting 40% +. The public are finally sensing that the Tories are an arrogant out of touch bunch, who will not tackle the strong vested interests in the country.

    Thanks so much for that. Labour MP's feet smell.
    How badly?

    Just your normal please keep your shoes on in the office smell, or bog of eternal stench smell?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,047
    @Huck67

    "The public are finally sensing that the Tories are an arrogant out of touch bunch, who will not tackle the strong vested interests in the country."

    Tackle them! The public think they are there as a pressure group for the vested interests and if anyone reads the Tories on here what else could they think. Making Sir Philip Green whose wife pays tax in Monaco 'waste tzar' should have been a pointer....
  • In-play - Betfair - Dunfermline by-election

    Lab 1.11
    SNP 3.25
    LD 100
    Any other 100
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    edited October 2013

    In-play - Betfair - Dunfermline by-election

    Lab 1.11
    SNP 3.25
    LD 100
    Any other 100

    How much money did it take to shorten the SNP odds?

    Not that I'm suggesting you did so, but just that Mike posted how much had been matched on Betfair earlier, and I wondered how much the total had gone up by.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    "I have discovered that Ed Miliband is involved in a major Labour cover-up. The party’s leader, an advocate of greater transparency in British politics, is mainly keeping his jacket on in public these days. The era of shirtsleeves is largely over. A mole disclosed that a focus group was consulted on the vitally important issue of whether Red Ed should be seen in or out of the top half of his £750 Spencer Hart suit. Men weren’t especially bothered either way but, muttered the Labour insider, women voters thought the young Milibrother looked more prime ministerial in a jacket. He’s all nicely decked out in knotted pastelcoloured ties, too. The Labour leader’s office calls it smart politics."

    http://www.newstatesman.com/2013/10/labours-great-big-cover
  • R0bertsR0berts Posts: 391
    "Michael Gove's impressive and intelligent education reforms, and IDS's important and painstakingly thought-out reform of welfare"

    How many times have you heard that, or a variant, from Rightwing commentators over the last few years, as if it's an article of faith?

    Very different to how the public see things and, er, reality.
  • R0bertsR0berts Posts: 391
    Has Gove told us how much his free school experiment is costing the taxpayer (and, I suppose, the rest of the education sector) yet?
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited October 2013
    @tim - Come on, let's hear you cheer Michael Gove for making Blair's vision a reality:

    In a speech in Birmingham, Mr Blair said he wanted 400 academies, double the present target for the year 2010.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6157435.stm

    Well, he missed that target by a wide margin, but luckily Gove came charging to the rescue:

    May 2010: 203
    October 2013: 3,364

    This is much, much more significant than the free schools, and, as a good Blairite, you must be delighted:

    [An academy] belongs not to some remote bureaucracy, not to the rulers of government, local or national, but to itself, for itself. The school is in charge of its own destiny. This gives it pride and purpose. And most of all, freed from the extraordinarily debilitating and often, in the worst sense, politically correct interference from state or municipality, academies have just one thing in mind, something shaped not by political prejudice but by common sense: what will make the school excellent.
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    "I have discovered that Ed Miliband is involved in a major Labour cover-up. The party’s leader, an advocate of greater transparency in British politics, is mainly keeping his jacket on in public these days. The era of shirtsleeves is largely over. A mole disclosed that a focus group was consulted on the vitally important issue of whether Red Ed should be seen in or out of the top half of his £750 Spencer Hart suit. Men weren’t especially bothered either way but, muttered the Labour insider, women voters thought the young Milibrother looked more prime ministerial in a jacket. He’s all nicely decked out in knotted pastelcoloured ties, too. The Labour leader’s office calls it smart politics."

    http://www.newstatesman.com/2013/10/labours-great-big-cover

    Good - I am a traditionalist when it comes to menswear.
    Women have fashion. We have rules.
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    R0berts said:

    "Michael Gove's impressive and intelligent education reforms, and IDS's important and painstakingly thought-out reform of welfare"

    How many times have you heard that, or a variant, from Rightwing commentators over the last few years, as if it's an article of faith?

    Very different to how the public see things and, er, reality.

    Unfortunately most of the public don't really understand what is meant by "qualified" so they are expressing an opinion in ignorance.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,519
    If the Tories offered parents to ballot to open a few more grammar schools as well as offering free schools and academies I suspect the policy would be more popular!
  • I suspect I won't be able to make this one, which is a real shame as I

    1) Loved attending the last do, got to meet quite a few of you

    2) I have some new footwear I wanted to debut at the next PB meet, they are that good, I have to hide them from my wife.

    If I'm not there, can someone please keep an eye on JohnO to make sure he gets home safely. That naughty Irish Green Neil is a terrible influence.

    I don't want to read that JohnO ends up in Bruxelles or Birmingham the next morning.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Bobajob said:

    "I have discovered that Ed Miliband is involved in a major Labour cover-up. The party’s leader, an advocate of greater transparency in British politics, is mainly keeping his jacket on in public these days. The era of shirtsleeves is largely over. A mole disclosed that a focus group was consulted on the vitally important issue of whether Red Ed should be seen in or out of the top half of his £750 Spencer Hart suit. Men weren’t especially bothered either way but, muttered the Labour insider, women voters thought the young Milibrother looked more prime ministerial in a jacket. He’s all nicely decked out in knotted pastelcoloured ties, too. The Labour leader’s office calls it smart politics."

    http://www.newstatesman.com/2013/10/labours-great-big-cover

    Good - I am a traditionalist when it comes to menswear.
    Women have fashion. We have rules.
    Arf - well put sir.
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    Roger said:

    @Huck67

    "The public are finally sensing that the Tories are an arrogant out of touch bunch, who will not tackle the strong vested interests in the country."

    Tackle them! The public think they are there as a pressure group for the vested interests and if anyone reads the Tories on here what else could they think. Making Sir Philip Green whose wife pays tax in Monaco 'waste tzar' should have been a pointer....

    The strongest vested interests are unions in education and healthcare and are being challenged by the government so that the country can move forward.

  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,295

    I hope I'll be able to make the 20th. Are we running the usual sweepstake on where JohnO ends up?

    Bursts into tears and stamps his little booties. You would have to choose the ONE day in November I just cannot make as that's the evening of the Elmbridge 'Cabinet' from which I cannot skive.

    It's a conspiracy.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,112
    JohnO said:

    I hope I'll be able to make the 20th. Are we running the usual sweepstake on where JohnO ends up?

    Bursts into tears and stamps his little booties. You would have to choose the ONE day in November I just cannot make as that's the evening of the Elmbridge 'Cabinet' from which I cannot skive.

    It's a conspiracy.

    Simple, host the cabinet in Dirty Dicks!
  • perdix said:

    Unfortunately most of the public don't really understand what is meant by "qualified" so they are expressing an opinion in ignorance.

    I suspect that if the question was rephrased as "Should head teachers and governors in state schools have the same freedom to recruit teachers from outside the traditional teacher training programmes as their counterparts in private schools have?", you'd get a very different answer.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,295
    RobD said:

    JohnO said:

    I hope I'll be able to make the 20th. Are we running the usual sweepstake on where JohnO ends up?

    Bursts into tears and stamps his little booties. You would have to choose the ONE day in November I just cannot make as that's the evening of the Elmbridge 'Cabinet' from which I cannot skive.

    It's a conspiracy.

    Simple, host the cabinet in Dirty Dicks!
    LoL. Or move Dirty Dicks to Oxshott Heath...oh, wait....
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,671
    dr_spyn said:

    In this round, what happens next? Orders popcorn and drinks.

    The dispute first flared up in the summer over the company's treatment of Unite official Stephen Deans, who has worked at Grangemouth for more than 20 years He was accused of trying to rig the selection of a Labour candidate for the Falkirk seat at Westminster but was later cleared. But Ineos has been carrying out its own investigation into claims Mr Deans improperly used the refinery for union business. Its findings are due to be published on Friday.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24647843

    At least Tom Watson is maintaining radio silence, perhaps until he has had his foot surgically removed from his mouth.

    management will extract maximum benefit and give him his jotters and dare Unite to complain.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,098
    It's perfectly understandable that everyone should be looking at key policies such as free schools. We have the luxury of a recovering economy.

    But it's more than that - the Cons have redefined the terms in which we discuss the economy; the Eds' plan has been thoroughly discredited.

    And in the same way the Cons are (with a kickstart from Blairite Labour) in the process of determining the way education is defined. By GE2015 it will seem ridiculous to criticise free schools or question their value albeit there may be refinement along the way.

    Lab opposition to free schools is simply following the classic five stages of grief and at the moment is on Bargaining (change them, qualified teachers, only where there is a need, etc). Acceptance will soon follow although I regret there will be a period of interim depression.

    Not to say the Cons don't still need a coherent energy response.
  • JohnO said:

    RobD said:

    JohnO said:

    I hope I'll be able to make the 20th. Are we running the usual sweepstake on where JohnO ends up?

    Bursts into tears and stamps his little booties. You would have to choose the ONE day in November I just cannot make as that's the evening of the Elmbridge 'Cabinet' from which I cannot skive.

    It's a conspiracy.

    Simple, host the cabinet in Dirty Dicks!
    LoL. Or move Dirty Dicks to Oxshott Heath...oh, wait....
    Tell them you're off investigating the dogging problem.

    A place called Dirty Dicks will give you plausibility.

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    My diary looks free. I now need to concoct an excuse with my other half, who regards pb as a cult.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I like the cartoon, Marf!
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    antifrank said:

    My diary looks free. I now need to concoct an excuse with my other half, who regards pb as a cult.

    And my gym instructor, who regards alcohol as an intolerable evil (and since my gym is within 50 yards of Dirty Dicks, there is a significant chance of my being busted).
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I claim the Lonsdale belt in this thread, and will now retire.
  • @antifrank - there's the solution, tell your gym instructor that you're spending the evening with members of a particularly odd cult, and your other half that you're going for the booze.
  • tim said:

    @RichardNabavi.

    You're confusing Free Schools and Academies.
    Free Schools are centralised, secretly funded from Goves office, governors appointed and sacked by Goves office, opened and closed at Goves whim.

    And of course if a school is needed in the area a local authority cannot open one,it must be one of Goves pet projects, controlled directly from his office.

    Politically of course its a gift for Labour and the Lib Dem switchers tend to despise Gove with a passion.

    Free schools are academies.

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,098

    tim said:

    @RichardNabavi.

    You're confusing Free Schools and Academies.
    Free Schools are centralised, secretly funded from Goves office, governors appointed and sacked by Goves office, opened and closed at Goves whim.

    And of course if a school is needed in the area a local authority cannot open one,it must be one of Goves pet projects, controlled directly from his office.

    Politically of course its a gift for Labour and the Lib Dem switchers tend to despise Gove with a passion.

    Free schools are academies.

    there you go with your facts and whatnot.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    tim said:

    antifrank said:

    My diary looks free. I now need to concoct an excuse with my other half, who regards pb as a cult.

    Tell your other half you're having an affair with the personal trainer?
    Sadly, given how my personal trainer looks that isn't remotely plausible. He's in a bodybuilding competition next weekend and I've only ever seen bodies like his is now in pictures that have been heavily photoshopped.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited October 2013
    Lord Mandelson: Labour backed HS2 to upstage Tories

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24661963#

    From the article -

    And Labour former minister Lord Rooker hit back at Lord Mandelson's criticism of HS2, saying: "The Labour government started this project and it will be inconceivable to withdraw support.

    "I am getting cheesed-off listening to ex-ministers swanning around the political salons pouring cold water on this project."

    lol,you couldn't make it up.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,047
    Next week should be an interesting one for PBs moderators. Perhaps a few sessions with antifrank's photoshopped personal trainer might help
  • R0bertsR0berts Posts: 391
    TOPPING said:

    It's perfectly understandable that everyone should be looking at key policies such as free schools. We have the luxury of a recovering economy.

    But it's more than that - the Cons have redefined the terms in which we discuss the economy; the Eds' plan has been thoroughly discredited.

    And in the same way the Cons are (with a kickstart from Blairite Labour) in the process of determining the way education is defined. By GE2015 it will seem ridiculous to criticise free schools or question their value albeit there may be refinement along the way.

    Lab opposition to free schools is simply following the classic five stages of grief and at the moment is on Bargaining (change them, qualified teachers, only where there is a need, etc). Acceptance will soon follow although I regret there will be a period of interim depression.

    Not to say the Cons don't still need a coherent energy response.

    Your posts fascinate me. A lot of the time you seem to come from the progressive, centrist, potentially electable wing of the Tories. A sensible and insightful Tory amongst the PBTory white noise, always readable.

    But sometimes you seem to be way out Right, as you've been beamed up and had your brains scooped out by the crazed Govians in their sinister mothership.

    I mean all that in a nice way. I think.



  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,098
    tim said:

    tim said:

    @RichardNabavi.

    You're confusing Free Schools and Academies.
    Free Schools are centralised, secretly funded from Goves office, governors appointed and sacked by Goves office, opened and closed at Goves whim.

    And of course if a school is needed in the area a local authority cannot open one,it must be one of Goves pet projects, controlled directly from his office.

    Politically of course its a gift for Labour and the Lib Dem switchers tend to despise Gove with a passion.

    Free schools are academies.

    Academies are usually preexisting schools, Gove personally chooses which Free Schools can start up, and when they close, as you'll see soon with his Madrassa than got out of hand I suspect.
    The secrecy surrounding the free school funding also marks them out as different.



    What do you have against Madrassas, tim?
  • R0bertsR0berts Posts: 391
    tim said:

    tim said:

    @RichardNabavi.

    You're confusing Free Schools and Academies.
    Free Schools are centralised, secretly funded from Goves office, governors appointed and sacked by Goves office, opened and closed at Goves whim.

    And of course if a school is needed in the area a local authority cannot open one,it must be one of Goves pet projects, controlled directly from his office.

    Politically of course its a gift for Labour and the Lib Dem switchers tend to despise Gove with a passion.

    Free schools are academies.

    Academies are usually preexisting schools, Gove personally chooses which Free Schools can start up, and when they close, as you'll see soon with his Madrassa than got out of hand I suspect.
    The secrecy surrounding the free school funding also marks them out as different.



    Academies also tend to be run by proper teachers rather than Some Bloke Who Toby Young Likes.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    Smashing cartoon, Marf! And thanks, SeanT! We'll get advice from tim on what to order.

    Interesting rumour about Cam not attending - the issue of whether Britain has been part of the listen-in party has, oddly, not been asked to my knowledge. But if the Americans were listening to Merkel, I expect we were too.



  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,047
    Any chance we can call Hunchman before the PB public accounts committee?

    FT index standing at 6713.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,671

    Smashing cartoon, Marf! And thanks, SeanT! We'll get advice from tim on what to order.

    Interesting rumour about Cam not attending - the issue of whether Britain has been part of the listen-in party has, oddly, not been asked to my knowledge. But if the Americans were listening to Merkel, I expect we were too.



    Most likely we were acting as their poodles as usual and actually doing the dirty deeds
  • antifrank said:

    tim said:

    antifrank said:

    My diary looks free. I now need to concoct an excuse with my other half, who regards pb as a cult.

    Tell your other half you're having an affair with the personal trainer?
    Sadly, given how my personal trainer looks that isn't remotely plausible. He's in a bodybuilding competition next weekend and I've only ever seen bodies like his is now in pictures that have been heavily photoshopped.
    I'm sure you could charm him with your shining wit.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    So many guys are not going gto be able to make DD's on 20th November, including probably, me. I would urge Fat Steve to pospone the event by a week, when so many faces that would be missing, turn up, including John O and me.

    And to top it all, Marf will have visited her mother. :D
  • Interesting rumour about Cam not attending - the issue of whether Britain has been part of the listen-in party has, oddly, not been asked to my knowledge. But if the Americans were listening to Merkel, I expect we were too.

    This might be relevant:

    In a separate development, Italy's weekly L'Espresso reported that the US and UK had been spying on Italian internet and phone traffic.

    The revelations were sourced to US whistleblower Edward Snowden. It is alleged that the US National Security Agency (NSA) and UK spy centre GCHQ eavesdropped on three undersea cables with terminals in Italy.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24647602

    Of course, our EU friends, especially France and Germany, might have been doing a spot of prudent information gathering as well.
  • Roger said:

    Any chance we can call Hunchman before the PB public accounts committee?

    FT index standing at 6713.

    LOL!
  • tim said:

    Academies are usually preexisting schools, Gove personally chooses which Free Schools can start up, and when they close, as you'll see soon with his Madrassa than got out of hand I suspect.
    The secrecy surrounding the free school funding also marks them out as different.

    An academy (in the sense that you are using the term) is an ex-maintained school which, by virtue of an order of the Secretary of State, ceases to be maintained by the local authority, and becomes an independent school. A free school (in the sense that you are using the term) is a the consequence of a person (or persons) entering into arrangements with the Secretary of State, as a result of which an independent school is created. Payments to both are made by the Secretary of State under section 2 of the Academies Act 2010. Bar some minor transitional provisions, "academies" and "free schools" are identical, and have the same legal status.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,098
    edited October 2013
    R0berts said:

    TOPPING said:

    It's perfectly understandable that everyone should be looking at key policies such as free schools. We have the luxury of a recovering economy.

    But it's more than that - the Cons have redefined the terms in which we discuss the economy; the Eds' plan has been thoroughly discredited.

    Lab opposition to free schools is simply following the classic five stages of grief and at the moment is on Bargaining (change them, qualified teachers, only where there is a need, etc). Acceptance will soon follow although I regret there will be a period of interim depression.

    Not to say the Cons don't still need a coherent energy response.

    Your posts fascinate me. A lot of the time you seem to come from the progressive, centrist, potentially electable wing of the Tories. A sensible and insightful Tory amongst the PBTory white noise, always readable.

    But sometimes you seem to be way out Right, as you've been beamed up and had your brains scooped out by the crazed Govians in their sinister mothership.

    I mean all that in a nice way. I think.



    LOL (in a nice way!). And thank you...I think!

    Thing is, there is a need for extra school places. I don't think anyone disputes that. Were it not so then you could reasonably argue that allocating funds to a free school takes money from the overall educational pot that could be spent on, for example, textbooks or bunsen burners in the state sector.

    But many state schools are bursting at the edges. I don't think free schools are therefore the demonic presence some paint them out to be. Often for example it is simply not possible to expand capacity in existing schools, or the will is not there.

    Add to this the ethos which is that free schools (with some exceptions) are founded by enthusiastic parents, must be non-selective (despite the accusations of FSM place allocations thrown around by some of this parish) and are unashamedly of the market, I am a fan.

    In an ideal world all those enthusiastic parents would send their offspring to their local state primary but, and I'm not just channeling Diane Abbott here, often there simply is not the room. So given the choice....
  • Life_ina_market_townLife_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    edited October 2013
    R0berts said:

    Academies also tend to be run by proper teachers rather than Some Bloke Who Toby Young Likes.

    Both are subject to the Education (Independent School Standards) (England) Regulations 2010 SI 2010/1997, as amended.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    TOPPING said:

    tim said:

    tim said:

    @RichardNabavi.

    You're confusing Free Schools and Academies.
    Free Schools are centralised, secretly funded from Goves office, governors appointed and sacked by Goves office, opened and closed at Goves whim.

    And of course if a school is needed in the area a local authority cannot open one,it must be one of Goves pet projects, controlled directly from his office.

    Politically of course its a gift for Labour and the Lib Dem switchers tend to despise Gove with a passion.

    Free schools are academies.

    Academies are usually preexisting schools, Gove personally chooses which Free Schools can start up, and when they close, as you'll see soon with his Madrassa than got out of hand I suspect.
    The secrecy surrounding the free school funding also marks them out as different.


    What do you have against Madrassas, tim?
    Tim and I rarely agree on anything, in fact we are diametrically opposed in our world views,
    but that was a cheap shot, Topping. Do show a little class.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Mark Tyrrell UKIP ‏@MarkTyrrellUKIP
    559 days
    13421hours
    805302minutes
    48318173seconds
    until General Election 2015.
    Come on UK, lets get our country back!
    Vote #UKIP
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    MikeK said:

    Mark Tyrrell UKIP ‏@MarkTyrrellUKIP
    559 days
    13421hours
    805302minutes
    48318173seconds
    until General Election 2015.
    Come on UK, lets get our country back!
    Vote #UKIP

    Back in reality, you'll give it to Ed.

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    MikeK said:

    Mark Tyrrell UKIP ‏@MarkTyrrellUKIP
    559 days
    13421hours
    805302minutes
    48318173seconds
    until General Election 2015.
    Come on UK, lets get our country back!
    Vote #UKIP

    I'm not sure that they've yet invented a time machine to get you back to Britain 1908.
  • In-play - Betfair - Dunfermline by-election

    Lab 1.11
    SNP 4.4
    LD 100
    Any other 100
  • In-play - Betfair - Dunfermline by-election

    Lab 1.11
    SNP 3.25
    LD 100
    Any other 100

    How much money did it take to shorten the SNP odds?

    Not that I'm suggesting you did so, but just that Mike posted how much had been matched on Betfair earlier, and I wondered how much the total had gone up by.
    No idea. I am not participating in the Dunfermline betting. I made most of my Dunfermline bets several weeks ago, and feel comfortable with my exposure level. I would only re-enter the market again at this extremely late stage if I saw an outstanding price, which I cannot see today.

    (Answer to your question: £771 matched.)

  • Life_ina_market_townLife_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    edited October 2013
    The Press Standards Board of Finance are applying for permission to claim judicial review of the decision of the Lords of the Privy Council not to recommend the approval of their draft Royal Charter. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24662567
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Tonights By-Elections

    *TODAY: 24th October - 10
    Charnwood BC, Loughborough Hastings - Labour resigned ONS DATA
    Charnwood BC, Shepshed West - Conservative died ONS DATA
    Fife UA, Dunfermline South - Labour died
    Havant BC, Waterloo - Conservative resigned ONS DATA
    Norfolk CC, North Walsham East - Lib Dem resigned
    South Lanarkshire UA, Hamilton South - SNP died
    Teignbridge DC, Bovey - Conservative sitting as Independent resigned ONS DATA
    West Sussex CC, Warnham & Rusper - Conservative died
    Wigan MB, Winstanley - Labour died ONS DATA
    Wirral MB, Upton - Labour resigned ONS DATA
  • Roger said:

    Any chance we can call Hunchman before the PB public accounts committee?

    FT index standing at 6713.

    Not seen Hunchman for a while. I believe that he owes us an explanation.
  • The Press Standards Board of Finance are applying for permission to claim judicial review of the decision of the Lords of the Privy Council not to recommend the approval of their draft Royal Charter. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24662567

    A very predictable development, and, although IANAL, one which I would have thought has quite a high likelihood of success. After all, what were the grounds for refusing a Royal Charter for this particular body? The fact there is a proposal for a different body which also wants a Royal Charter doesn't seem very relevant, and the views of the government even less so.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited October 2013
    Salmond has arrived in Dunfermline for the latest push!

    Is SLAB really losing it?

  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,729

    Not seen Hunchman for a while. I believe that he owes us an explanation.

    Hunchman first came on here predicting an imminent crash in JULY 2011 when the FTSE was around 5,700.

    He has repeatedly told us time after time after time that the FTSE is about to crash and up to now it has never happened.

    Of course if he keeps posting the same thing for 10 or 20 years then he is bound to be right eventually.

    But his posts have repeatedly given the impression that the crash is coming in the near future. Sometimes he has said it may be a couple of months but never much more than that.

    It really is time for this to end. Hunchman has no more idea than anyone else what is going to happen.

    Throughout my entire life there have ALWAYS been pundits with extreme views predicting wild movements whether up or down. They are usually wrong.

    One final point - don't forget Hunchman also told us that oil would fall to $10. That looks likely doesn't it!
  • One of the Sunday Herald journalists wondered the same but added Labour is still confident.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    MikeL said:

    Not seen Hunchman for a while. I believe that he owes us an explanation.

    Hunchman first came on here predicting an imminent crash in JULY 2011 when the FTSE was around 5,700.

    He has repeatedly told us time after time after time that the FTSE is about to crash and up to now it has never happened.

    Of course if he keeps posting the same thing for 10 or 20 years then he is bound to be right eventually.

    But his posts have repeatedly given the impression that the crash is coming in the near future. Sometimes he has said it may be a couple of months but never much more than that.

    It really is time for this to end. Hunchman has no more idea than anyone else what is going to happen.

    Throughout my entire life there have ALWAYS been pundits with extreme views predicting wild movements whether up or down. They are usually wrong.

    One final point - don't forget Hunchman also told us that oil would fall to $10. That looks likely doesn't it!
    Perhaps Hunchman is Vince Cable? Repeatedly predicting disasters in the hope that eventually he'd get lucky fits the profile nicely.

  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    edited October 2013
    ''Hunchman has no more idea than anyone else what is going to happen. ''

    What made you think that he did?

    Absolutely nobody expected the 2008 banking crash to come when it did, except nouriel roubini, and he;d been predicting it for many years.

  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301

    Interesting rumour about Cam not attending - the issue of whether Britain has been part of the listen-in party has, oddly, not been asked to my knowledge. But if the Americans were listening to Merkel, I expect we were too.

    This might be relevant:

    In a separate development, Italy's weekly L'Espresso reported that the US and UK had been spying on Italian internet and phone traffic.

    The revelations were sourced to US whistleblower Edward Snowden. It is alleged that the US National Security Agency (NSA) and UK spy centre GCHQ eavesdropped on three undersea cables with terminals in Italy.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24647602

    Of course, our EU friends, especially France and Germany, might have been doing a spot of prudent information gathering as well.
    If a government was entering into negotiations on trade deals, treaties et al it is hardly surprising it's agencies would be gathering information by fair or foul means. After all the French listened in on the British during the Versailles Treaty meetings, LLoyd George minimised the risks by the insisting on the use of Welsh or Hindustani speaking officers.
  • Life_ina_market_townLife_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    edited October 2013

    A very predictable development, and, although IANAL, one which I would have thought has quite a high likelihood of success. After all, what were the grounds for refusing a Royal Charter for this particular body? The fact there is a proposal for a different body which also wants a Royal Charter doesn't seem very relevant, and the views of the government even less so.

    It will be interesting to see how its plays. On the other hand, if one were to accept your argument that the two draft charters are entirely independent of each other, then it follows that the last thing that this litigation can be is a collateral attack on the government's charter, designed to prevent the entry into force of the sections 34 to 42 of the Crime and Courts Act 2013...

  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,729
    taffys said:

    ''Hunchman has no more idea than anyone else what is going to happen. ''

    What made you think that he did?

    I never thought he did.
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    MikeL said:

    taffys said:

    ''Hunchman has no more idea than anyone else what is going to happen. ''

    What made you think that he did?

    I never thought he did.
    Nor me.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Bobajob said:

    MikeL said:

    taffys said:

    ''Hunchman has no more idea than anyone else what is going to happen. ''

    What made you think that he did?

    I never thought he did.
    Nor me.
    All he was doing was offering a form of (financial) betting advice on a betting forum.
    If I recall, some people lost a little money by taking his advice.
    If they did then Buyer Beware. Not all tips will inevitably win*

    *see all of Mr Dancer's tennis and F1 tips for further examples

  • Two days running we have two brilliant Marf cartoons in a single day!

    wonderfully generous of Sean T for drinks - thanks, dude. I hope to be able to make it, I'm starting a new job, albeit short-term, on the 4th.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    edited October 2013
    Roger said:

    Next week should be an interesting one for PBs moderators. Perhaps a few sessions with antifrank's photoshopped personal trainer might help

    I thought next week until christmas the site would be shutting down to avoid any comments.

  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    TOPPING said:



    Thing is, there is a need for extra school places. I don't think anyone disputes that. Were it not so then you could reasonably argue that allocating funds to a free school takes money from the overall educational pot that could be spent on, for example, textbooks or bunsen burners in the state sector.

    But many state schools are bursting at the edges. I don't think free schools are therefore the demonic presence some paint them out to be. Often for example it is simply not possible to expand capacity in existing schools, or the will is not there.

    As a matter of interest, is this generally true, or mainly in London and a few high-growth areas? In the prosperous suburban constituency where I'm standing, there are schools that are full, but others that are definitely not, and there's a fairly obvious choice between expanding the most popular ones and doing more to make the less popular ones attractive (we don't have any really bad schools). The third choice of setting up some new school isn't obviously sensible, regardless of its nature.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Congratulations.

    Two days running we have two brilliant Marf cartoons in a single day!

    wonderfully generous of Sean T for drinks - thanks, dude. I hope to be able to make it, I'm starting a new job, albeit short-term, on the 4th.

  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    The second story on this link has been pulled from Bloomberg's website, not sure if it only applies to the UK.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-18/weil-on-finance-u-k-s-censorship-diktats.html
    Yorkcity said:

    Roger said:

    Next week should be an interesting one for PBs moderators. Perhaps a few sessions with antifrank's photoshopped personal trainer might help

    I thought next week until christmas the site would be shutting down to avoid any comments.

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