So, if you are a Rejoiner/Remainer you can't vote Labour.
Any markets on Highest LibDem poll rating in the next three months?
The problem for the Lib Dem’s is twofold...
1) They have no power, 1% of Corbyn is worth more than 100% of the whole LibDems 2) LibDems are not exactly trustworthy to a left leaning voter. They put the Tories into power and share responsibility for the chaos.
The problem with 2) is that it was only once the LDs were no longer sharing power that Cameron was forced to initiate this chaos. Indeed, he was relying on them being back in a coalition with him to allow him to drop his foolish EURef promise.
A man on Mars would be more impressive, the US sent a man to the Moon decades ago
Underlines how backwards we are. We couldn’t do this.
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. We don't have the capability to *launch* rockets (although that might come soon for small nanosats or cubesats from Scotland or Cornwall), but much of that is down to our geographic position.
However we are a major player in satellites. Our space market was work £13.7 billion in 2014/5, about 7% of the global market. That's a major success story considering we don't have launch services.
But tbf launchers are sexy, but not where the money is. This is why SpaceX is starting a constellation of satellites: that's where the money is. And we're very well placed in that market - and more so as the market moves towards the smaller satellites that we excel in.
As another example, an Israeli company is planning to land a probe on the Moon in the nextt few months, launched (I think) from a Falcon 9. The rockets are just the trucks. What matters is the cargo, and we could easily do this if there was political will.
But we probably shouldn't.
That’s a big ‘if’. We can’t even manage the political will to do choo choo trains anymore.
Reminds me of my wife's grandmother's comment on the 1969 moon landings:
"If God had meant us to go to the moon he'd have put a railway there."
So, if you are a Rejoiner/Remainer you can't vote Labour.
Any markets on Highest LibDem poll rating in the next three months?
The problem for the Lib Dem’s is twofold...
1) They have no power, 1% of Corbyn is worth more than 100% of the whole LibDems 2) LibDems are not exactly trustworthy to a left leaning voter. They put the Tories into power and share responsibility for the chaos.
The problem with 2) is that it was only once the LDs were no longer sharing power that Cameron was forced to initiate this chaos. Indeed, he was relying on them being back in a coalition with him to allow him to drop his foolish EURef promise.
They unlocked Pandora’s box. The point is that to attract Labour votes, which was Cicero’s point, they have to deal with the suspicion that the would sell out again to the Tories for a whiff of power. They need to do something like apologise for this mess and/or rule it out.
Sky have just reported from Ramsgate that Seaborne have started dredging the former ferry port with the intention of having it up and ready for the end of march to receive freight. A Seaborne dredger was shown actively working in the port and Sky said that this is the work Seaborne have been commissioned to complete. No mention of Seabourne leased ferries though that may follow but Seaborne are actively engaged in operations at Ramsgate from today
Sky have just reported from Ramsgate that Seaborne have started dredging the former ferry port with the intention of having it up and ready for the end of march to receive freight. A Seaborne dredger was shown actively working in the port and Sky said that this is the work Seaborne have been commissioned to complete. No mention of Seabourne leased ferries though that may follow but Seaborne are actively engaged in operations at Ramsgate from today
There has to be a joke in there about dredging and Chris Grayling.
So, if you are a Rejoiner/Remainer you can't vote Labour.
Any markets on Highest LibDem poll rating in the next three months?
The problem for the Lib Dem’s is twofold...
1) They have no power, 1% of Corbyn is worth more than 100% of the whole LibDems 2) LibDems are not exactly trustworthy to a left leaning voter. They put the Tories into power and share responsibility for the chaos.
The problem with 2) is that it was only once the LDs were no longer sharing power that Cameron was forced to initiate this chaos. Indeed, he was relying on them being back in a coalition with him to allow him to drop his foolish EURef promise.
The Lib Dems have lost both their right wing and left wing voters, and I think it would take some act of "betrayal" by a Labour government to get back the latter.
Thank you. Very useful. Pity there isn't a notice board somewhere where it can be pinned because my sense is that very few people know this. Labour's policy understood by most is one of unprincipled opportunism which is not appealing to Remainers or Leavers.
Perhaps. But IMO the Remain cause would not be helped if Corbyn came out in favour of a referendum now. There's a risk that such a move could give the ERG an excuse to back May's deal, and if that happened then Brexit would go ahead on schedule. If May's deal is lost then there is everything to play for, including a second referendum. It is likely that the chaotic aftermath of May's deal going down will give a big boost to second referendum campaigners and at that point Corbyn could be seen to be bowing to the inevitable. If he declares himself prematurely he will be accused of being a remoaner, anti democratic etc etc and make it harder for those Tory MPs, a growing number I suspect, who wish to go down the referendum route.
So, if you are a Rejoiner/Remainer you can't vote Labour.
Any markets on Highest LibDem poll rating in the next three months?
The problem for the Lib Dem’s is twofold...
1) They have no power, 1% of Corbyn is worth more than 100% of the whole LibDems 2) LibDems are not exactly trustworthy to a left leaning voter. They put the Tories into power and share responsibility for the chaos.
The problem with 2) is that it was only once the LDs were no longer sharing power that Cameron was forced to initiate this chaos. Indeed, he was relying on them being back in a coalition with him to allow him to drop his foolish EURef promise.
Alternatively, the LibDems stupidly pevented the 2010 Govt. from lancing the EU boil. It could have been on the platform with Cameron, arguing for Remain in the Referendum. And they would have helped him win it.
By 2016, they were an irrelevence of a party with a small fraction of the MPs they had in 2010 and an even weedier voice.
Yes, and it's also the party position agreed at the conference, for all that the Guardian would like it to be different. The sequencing is clear and it hasn't changed:
1. Offer May a deal on Labour terms (permanent customs union is the simple one, but if she engaged there would be haggling over other things). The EU has said repeatedly that it's specifically the "no permanent customs union" red line that prevents reopening the deal. However, she's not interested and the clock is ticking. So...
2. Vote down the May deal. It's the only one on the table, and needs to be considered. It offers a low-grade second-class associate membership. There are probably enough votes to reject it clearly.
3. Block a No Deal by putting in killer amendments to every bit of legislation in sight which will paralyse government if we simply leave without a deal. These amendments have majority support in Parliament.
4. Seek a General Election through a VONC, to offer people a choice of delayed A50 and new negotiations without May's red lines. This is, frankly, likely to fail to get a majority.
5. Seek a second referendum, as other alternatives have been exhausted.
The Guardian and People's Vote campaigners (who bear an uncanny resemblance to a subset of the anti-Corbyn people) want to lift step 5 to step 1. But that means "join the Remain conspiracy" - it fails to show that we've made reasonable efforts to respect the referendum. Reach step 5 and there's a defensible case that we've offered alternative implementations of Leave and merely rejected the one that nearly everyone agrees is unacceptable.
One can disagree, but it's just silly to argue that Corbyn is defying the party by this. It's what we've agreed to do, and he's sticking to it.
Thank you. Very useful. Pity there isn't a notice board somewhere where it can be pinned because my sense is that very few people know this. Labour's policy understood by most is one of unprincipled opportunism which is not appealing to Remainers or Leavers.
Pinning it wouldn't help dispel that impression: As described it's unprincipled opportunism which is not appealing to Remains or Leavers.
Step 1 is something they can negotiate after taking the deal, and there's no sign that it would cause the EU to reopen the deal to take out the backstop or whatever. Which makes steps 2 and 3 standard unprincipled opposition wrecking tactics. Step 4 isn't likely to get anywhere, as Nick Palmer admits, and even if it did happen it just postpones the question of what the policy is that they'd enact if they won. So the only possibly principled part is Step 5, but Steps 1 to 4 are designed to either postpone or prevent the implementation of Step 5 and avoid the need to argue for it.
Sky have just reported from Ramsgate that Seaborne have started dredging the former ferry port with the intention of having it up and ready for the end of march to receive freight. A Seaborne dredger was shown actively working in the port and Sky said that this is the work Seaborne have been commissioned to complete. No mention of Seabourne leased ferries though that may follow but Seaborne are actively engaged in operations at Ramsgate from today
There has to be a joke in there about dredging and Chris Grayling.
Chris Grayling is not a joke. He is quite the most incompetent of ministers ever to hold a cabinet position, and there is a lot of competition
I am sure the cult still believe that Jezza is doing everything possible to stop Brexit...it doesn't matter what Magic Grandpa actually says or does, they still pin their own beliefs onto him.
So, if you are a Rejoiner/Remainer you can't vote Labour.
Any markets on Highest LibDem poll rating in the next three months?
The problem for the Lib Dem’s is twofold...
1) They have no power, 1% of Corbyn is worth more than 100% of the whole LibDems 2) LibDems are not exactly trustworthy to a left leaning voter. They put the Tories into power and share responsibility for the chaos.
The problem with 2) is that it was only once the LDs were no longer sharing power that Cameron was forced to initiate this chaos. Indeed, he was relying on them being back in a coalition with him to allow him to drop his foolish EURef promise.
Alternatively, the LibDems stupidly pevented the 2010 Govt. from lancing the EU boil. It could have been on the platform with Cameron, arguing for Remain in the Referendum. And they would have helped him win it.
By 2016, they were an irrelevence of a party with a small fraction of the MPs they had in 2010 and an even weedier voice.
Right, because that's where the Remain campaign went wrong, not enough Nick Clegg.
What is the earliest date by which a General Election couldn't be held before March 29th? Given May shows no signs whatsoever of calling such an election or withdrawing Article 50, and Corbyn won't facilitate a second referendum, then that is when the penny is going to drop for Remainers - it's Hard Brexit or May's Shit Deal.
Pop Quiz, Remainers: What do you do?
Revocation requires the least time of any of the options, so Remainers have the upper hand in any game of brinkmanship.
Revocation will lead to near Civil War without a referendum and a UKIP/Tommy Robinson/Farage party surge
What does "near civil war" actually mean? The British population is completely disarmed and under continuous broad spectrum surveillance.
Just the usual hyperbole from HY. UKIP is barely functioning.
If Brexit was reversed it would see a quicker revival than Lazarus, it is already up to around 5%+ in most polls. Farage would also launch a new party, we could mirror Europe with a far right party on 20%+
Britain already has a far right party on nearly 40% in the polls.
Exactly. If the opposition overturns Brexit, the Tories will be well placed to mop up most of the reasonable leavers, at the cost of finally losing their business-friendly remainer wing. The idea that people are going to vote for Tommy Robinson in huge numbers is for the birds. But HY always did type first and think later (or not at all).
Up to a quarter to a third of voters could vote UKIP if the Tories overturned Brexit plus some Labour voters too, the vast majority of Tory voters are Leavers.
The business Remain wing is still largely Tory over Corbyn
If we end up either revoking A50 or a second referendum overturning the first it will depend on many factors how it pans out for the political parties and the mechanism employed to bring about this dramatic reverse.
If the HOC, through amendments to the meaningful vote, endorse a second referendum or even to revoke A50 it will be interesting to see how TM reacts and until matters become more certain, everything is just speculation
When you say people will vote UKIP what happens if there are little or no UKIP candidates
So, if you are a Rejoiner/Remainer you can't vote Labour.
Any markets on Highest LibDem poll rating in the next three months?
But, I think Stephen Bush is correct that Corbyn's followers will forgive him over the EU, because of his left wing record.
Corbyn's "base" is a pretty small number, meanwhile a large number of centrists are peeling off. Either Jo Swinson or Layla Moran- both young and bright- are set to take over the Lib Dems, so Labour could be getting into really serious trouble, and it pains me to say it, the Tories are rediscovering loyalty... Milne and Corbyn could keep this incompetent shambles of a government in power indefinitely, despite the fact that there is now pretty likely a majority for Remain. UK politics could get very volatile. The way voters were prepared to consider Nick Clegg in 2010, even though it didn't happen in the end suggests that long term loyalties are breaking down.. So Labour tribalists beware, there are now very high risks.
What is the earliest date by which a General Election couldn't be held before March 29th? Given May shows no signs whatsoever of calling such an election or withdrawing Article 50, and Corbyn won't facilitate a second referendum, then that is when the penny is going to drop for Remainers - it's Hard Brexit or May's Shit Deal.
Pop Quiz, Remainers: What do you do?
Revocation requires the least time of any of the options, so Remainers have the upper hand in any game of brinkmanship.
Revocation will lead to near Civil War without a referendum and a UKIP/Tommy Robinson/Farage party surge
What does "near civil war" actually mean? The British population is completely disarmed and under continuous broad spectrum surveillance.
Just the usual hyperbole from HY. UKIP is barely functioning.
If Brexit was reversed it would see a quicker revival than Lazarus, it is already up to around 5%+ in most polls. Farage would also launch a new party, we could mirror Europe with a far right party on 20%+
Britain already has a far right party on nearly 40% in the polls.
Exactly. If the opposition overturns Brexit, the Tories will be well placed to mop up most of the reasonable leavers, at the cost of finally losing their business-friendly remainer wing. The idea that people are going to vote for Tommy Robinson in huge numbers is for the birds. But HY always did type first and think later (or not at all).
Up to a quarter to a third of voters could vote UKIP if the Tories overturned Brexit plus some Labour voters too, the vast majority of Tory voters are Leavers.
The business Remain wing is still largely Tory over Corbyn
If we end up either revoking A50 or a second referendum overturning the first it will depend on many factors how it pans out for the political parties and the mechanism employed to bring about this dramatic reverse.
If the HOC, through amendments to the meaningful vote, endorse a second referendum or even to revoke A50 it will be interesting to see how TM reacts and until matters become more certain, everything is just speculation
When you say people will vote UKIP what happens if there are little or no UKIP candidates
I didn't mention UKIP but HYUFD does have a mindset that UKIP will surge if Brexit falls
A man on Mars would be more impressive, the US sent a man to the Moon decades ago
Underlines how backwards we are. We couldn’t do this.
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. We don't have the capability to *launch* rockets (although that might come soon for small nanosats or cubesats from Scotland or Cornwall), but much of that is down to our geographic position.
However we are a major player in satellites. Our space market was work £13.7 billion in 2014/5, about 7% of the global market. That's a major success story considering we don't have launch services.
But tbf launchers are sexy, but not where the money is. This is why SpaceX is starting a constellation of satellites: that's where the money is. And we're very well placed in that market - and more so as the market moves towards the smaller satellites that we excel in.
As another example, an Israeli company is planning to land a probe on the Moon in the nextt few months, launched (I think) from a Falcon 9. The rockets are just the trucks. What matters is the cargo, and we could easily do this if there was political will.
But we probably shouldn't.
There's no point investing in launch services, as you can just buy space on a falcon for £50 million now. It's a problem solved pretty much by Elon (pbuh). But I don't recall any recent British satellites being launched by err anyone. The last piece of British cargo launched was Tim Peake's socks I think !
Yes, and it's also the party position agreed at the conference, for all that the Guardian would like it to be different. The sequencing is clear and it hasn't changed:
1. Offer May a deal on Labour terms (permanent customs union is the simple one, but if she engaged there would be haggling over other things). The EU has said repeatedly that it's specifically the "no permanent customs union" red line that prevents reopening the deal. However, she's not interested and the clock is ticking. So...
2. Vote down the May deal. It's the only one on the table, and needs to be considered. It offers a low-grade second-class associate membership. There are probably enough votes to reject it clearly.
3. Block a No Deal by putting in killer amendments to every bit of legislation in sight which will paralyse government if we simply leave without a deal. These amendments have majority support in Parliament.
4. Seek a General Election through a VONC, to offer people a choice of delayed A50 and new negotiations without May's red lines. This is, frankly, likely to fail to get a majority.
5. Seek a second referendum, as other alternatives have been exhausted.
The Guardian and People's Vote campaigners (who bear an uncanny resemblance to a subset of the anti-Corbyn people) want to lift step 5 to step 1. But that means "join the Remain conspiracy" - it fails to show that we've made reasonable efforts to respect the referendum. Reach step 5 and there's a defensible case that we've offered alternative implementations of Leave and merely rejected the one that nearly everyone agrees is unacceptable.
One can disagree, but it's just silly to argue that Corbyn is defying the party by this. It's what we've agreed to do, and he's sticking to it.
Permanent Customs Union of course means we cannot ever do our own trade deals so May is not going to agree to that, other than that Corbyn basically agrees with the Deal
Does permanent customs union also mean continuing freedom of movement or not?
I didn't mention UKIP but HYUFD does have a mindset that UKIP will surge if Brexit falls
I'm sure they would if Brexit stoped - I'm not sure they would win any seats though - the end result would likely be a few Labour Seats being surprise Tory wins...
A man on Mars would be more impressive, the US sent a man to the Moon decades ago
Underlines how backwards we are. We couldn’t do this.
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. We don't have the capability to *launch* rockets (although that might come soon for small nanosats or cubesats from Scotland or Cornwall), but much of that is down to our geographic position.
However we are a major player in satellites. Our space market was work £13.7 billion in 2014/5, about 7% of the global market. That's a major success story considering we don't have launch services.
But tbf launchers are sexy, but not where the money is. This is why SpaceX is starting a constellation of satellites: that's where the money is. And we're very well placed in that market - and more so as the market moves towards the smaller satellites that we excel in.
As another example, an Israeli company is planning to land a probe on the Moon in the nextt few months, launched (I think) from a Falcon 9. The rockets are just the trucks. What matters is the cargo, and we could easily do this if there was political will.
But we probably shouldn't.
You can be sure we will give up our position on satellites due to government wuckfittery and lack of wanting to invest/stupidity.
Sky have just reported from Ramsgate that Seaborne have started dredging the former ferry port with the intention of having it up and ready for the end of march to receive freight. A Seaborne dredger was shown actively working in the port and Sky said that this is the work Seaborne have been commissioned to complete. No mention of Seabourne leased ferries though that may follow but Seaborne are actively engaged in operations at Ramsgate from today
If we end up either revoking A50 or a second referendum overturning the first it will depend on many factors how it pans out for the political parties and the mechanism employed to bring about this dramatic reverse.
If the HOC, through amendments to the meaningful vote, endorse a second referendum or even to revoke A50 it will be interesting to see how TM reacts and until matters become more certain, everything is just speculation
I don't think straight revocation would be a recommended course of action, except possibly in the context of dodging an utterly-unmitigated No Deal, and probably after some sort of Commons coup (given I can't realistically see May doing it or an election and new government before Mar 29th). Even so, whoever pulled that trigger would want to balance very carefully the total shit show of a crash-out with the total shit show of pitchforks and knuckles being dragged down Whitehall.
A referendum faces a similar judgment, but to tip the balance it needs (a) careful and widespread selling of it being about confirming the choice in the light of new information, not re-running the first one, (b) a stonking majority if we were to remain and (c) probably either a two-question or three-answer structure to reduce the chance of foul being called. And I'm not sure any/all of those would be forthcoming. (Which to me, makes the leper-like status of The Deal or similar all the more bizarre).
Thank you. Very useful. Pity there isn't a notice board somewhere where it can be pinned because my sense is that very few people know this. Labour's policy understood by most is one of unprincipled opportunism which is not appealing to Remainers or Leavers.
Pinning it wouldn't help dispel that impression: As described it's unprincipled opportunism which is not appealing to Remains or Leavers.
Step 1 is something they can negotiate after taking the deal, and there's no sign that it would cause the EU to reopen the deal to take out the backstop or whatever. Which makes steps 2 and 3 standard unprincipled opposition wrecking tactics. Step 4 isn't likely to get anywhere, as Nick Palmer admits, and even if it did happen it just postpones the question of what the policy is that they'd enact if they won. So the only possibly principled part is Step 5, but Steps 1 to 4 are designed to either postpone or prevent the implementation of Step 5 and avoid the need to argue for it.
I must admit to thinking the same: Labour could (if/when in power) negotiate a permanent CU within the Transition Period of May's Deal. Is that wrong?
Also, a VoNC is much more likely to pass if May's Deal passes with the consequent ERG and DUP displeasure.
So, if you are a Rejoiner/Remainer you can't vote Labour.
Any markets on Highest LibDem poll rating in the next three months?
But, I think Stephen Bush is correct that Corbyn's followers will forgive him over the EU, because of his left wing record.
Corbyn's "base" is a pretty small number, meanwhile a large number of centrists are peeling off. Either Jo Swinson or Layla Moran- both young and bright- are set to take over the Lib Dems, so Labour could be getting into really serious trouble, and it pains me to say it, the Tories are rediscovering loyalty... Milne and Corbyn could keep this incompetent shambles of a government in power indefinitely, despite the fact that there is now pretty likely a majority for Remain. UK politics could get very volatile. The way voters were prepared to consider Nick Clegg in 2010, even though it didn't happen in the end suggests that long term loyalties are breaking down.. So Labour tribalists beware, there are now very high risks.
So about that highest Lib Dem poll market...
Any evidence for your assertion that "a large number of centrists are peeling off"?
(...from supporting Labour presumably, not getting naked )
Sky have just reported from Ramsgate that Seaborne have started dredging the former ferry port with the intention of having it up and ready for the end of march to receive freight. A Seaborne dredger was shown actively working in the port and Sky said that this is the work Seaborne have been commissioned to complete. No mention of Seabourne leased ferries though that may follow but Seaborne are actively engaged in operations at Ramsgate from today
The challenge for Corbyn is not now, but after 29th March once we have left. If Labour is not seen to have done all it can to prevent a Tory Brexit, then a lot of Labour members currently giving the leadership the benefit of the doubt will be less inclined to do so - and that will be increasingly the case if Labour continues to fare comparatively poorly in the polls.
Corbyn is taking a big gamble. That said, the increasingly lunatic posturing of Javid, Hunt, Williamson and co is going to be a huge help to Labour. As the Tories move ever rightwards, the dangers of risking them winning a majority become ever greater. This, I suspect, will continue to keep the Labour 2017 coalition largely together.
Yes, and it's also the party position agreed at the conference, for all that the Guardian would like it to be different. The sequencing is clear and it hasn't changed:
1. Offer May a deal on Labour terms (permanent customs union is the simple one, but if she engaged there would be haggling over other things). The EU has said repeatedly that it's specifically the "no permanent customs union" red line that prevents reopening the deal. However, she's not interested and the clock is ticking. So...
2. Vote down the May deal. It's the only one on the table, and needs to be considered. It offers a low-grade second-class associate membership. There are probably enough votes to reject it clearly.
3. Block a No Deal by putting in killer amendments to every bit of legislation in sight which will paralyse government if we simply leave without a deal. These amendments have majority support in Parliament.
4. Seek a General Election through a VONC, to offer people a choice of delayed A50 and new negotiations without May's red lines. This is, frankly, likely to fail to get a majority.
5. Seek a second referendum, as other alternatives have been exhausted.
The Guardian and People's Vote campaigners (who bear an uncanny resemblance to a subset of the anti-Corbyn people) want to lift step 5 to step 1. But that means "join the Remain conspiracy" - it fails to show that we've made reasonable efforts to respect the referendum. Reach step 5 and there's a defensible case that we've offered alternative implementations of Leave and merely rejected the one that nearly everyone agrees is unacceptable.
One can disagree, but it's just silly to argue that Corbyn is defying the party by this. It's what we've agreed to do, and he's sticking to it.
Permanent Customs Union of course means we cannot ever do our own trade deals so May is not going to agree to that, other than that Corbyn basically agrees with the Deal
Does permanent customs union also mean continuing freedom of movement or not?
Sky have just reported from Ramsgate that Seaborne have started dredging the former ferry port with the intention of having it up and ready for the end of march to receive freight. A Seaborne dredger was shown actively working in the port and Sky said that this is the work Seaborne have been commissioned to complete. No mention of Seabourne leased ferries though that may follow but Seaborne are actively engaged in operations at Ramsgate from today
Yes, and it's also the party position agreed at the conference, for all that the Guardian would like it to be different. The sequencing is clear and it hasn't changed:
1. Offer May a deal on Labour terms (permanent customs union is the simple one, but if she engaged there would be haggling over other things). The EU has said repeatedly that it's specifically the "no permanent customs union" red line that prevents reopening the deal. However, she's not interested and the clock is ticking. So...
2. Vote down the May deal. It's the only one on the table, and needs to be considered. It offers a low-grade second-class associate membership. There are probably enough votes to reject it clearly.
3. Block a No Deal by putting in killer amendments to every bit of legislation in sight which will paralyse government if we simply leave without a deal. These amendments have majority support in Parliament.
4. Seek a General Election through a VONC, to offer people a choice of delayed A50 and new negotiations without May's red lines. This is, frankly, likely to fail to get a majority.
5. Seek a second referendum, as other alternatives have been exhausted.
The Guardian and People's Vote campaigners (who bear an uncanny resemblance to a subset of the anti-Corbyn people) want to lift step 5 to step 1. But that means "join the Remain conspiracy" - it fails to show that we've made reasonable efforts to respect the referendum. Reach step 5 and there's a defensible case that we've offered alternative implementations of Leave and merely rejected the one that nearly everyone agrees is unacceptable.
One can disagree, but it's just silly to argue that Corbyn is defying the party by this. It's what we've agreed to do, and he's sticking to it.
Permanent Customs Union of course means we cannot ever do our own trade deals so May is not going to agree to that, other than that Corbyn basically agrees with the Deal
Does permanent customs union also mean continuing freedom of movement or not?
td;lr is that it's possible to be in the Customs Union without Freedom of Movement, as Turkey is. But it's not clear that on its own this would be enough to avoid a hard border in NI, and to get a reasonably sane deal without too much economic damage you'd want to opt in to a whole load of other stuff too like Switzerland does, which the EU won't agree to without FoM.
Sky have just reported from Ramsgate that Seaborne have started dredging the former ferry port with the intention of having it up and ready for the end of march to receive freight. A Seaborne dredger was shown actively working in the port and Sky said that this is the work Seaborne have been commissioned to complete. No mention of Seabourne leased ferries though that may follow but Seaborne are actively engaged in operations at Ramsgate from today
Yes, and it's also the party position agreed at the conference, for all that the Guardian would like it to be different. The sequencing is clear and it hasn't changed:
1. Offer May a deal on Labour terms (permanent customs union is the simple one, but if she engaged there would be haggling over other things). The EU has said repeatedly that it's specifically the "no permanent customs union" red line that prevents reopening the deal. However, she's not interested and the clock is ticking. So...
2. Vote down the May deal. It's the only one on the table, and needs to be considered. It offers a low-grade second-class associate membership. There are probably enough votes to reject it clearly.
3. Block a No Deal by putting in killer amendments to every bit of legislation in sight which will paralyse government if we simply leave without a deal. These amendments have majority support in Parliament.
4. Seek a General Election through a VONC, to offer people a choice of delayed A50 and new negotiations without May's red lines. This is, frankly, likely to fail to get a majority.
5. Seek a second referendum, as other alternatives have been exhausted.
The Guardian and People's Vote campaigners (who bear an uncanny resemblance to a subset of the anti-Corbyn people) want to lift step 5 to step 1. But that means "join the Remain conspiracy" - it fails to show that we've made reasonable efforts to respect the referendum. Reach step 5 and there's a defensible case that we've offered alternative implementations of Leave and merely rejected the one that nearly everyone agrees is unacceptable.
One can disagree, but it's just silly to argue that Corbyn is defying the party by this. It's what we've agreed to do, and he's sticking to it.
Permanent Customs Union of course means we cannot ever do our own trade deals so May is not going to agree to that, other than that Corbyn basically agrees with the Deal
Does permanent customs union also mean continuing freedom of movement or not?
td;lr is that it's possible to be in the Customs Union without Freedom of Movement, as Turkey is. But it's not clear that on its own this would be enough to avoid a hard border in NI, and to get a reasonably sane deal without too much economic damage you'd want to opt in to a whole load of other stuff too like Switzerland does, which the EU won't agree to without FoM.
I didn't mention UKIP but HYUFD does have a mindset that UKIP will surge if Brexit falls
I'm sure they would if Brexit stoped - I'm not sure they would win any seats though - the end result would likely be a few Labour Seats being surprise Tory wins...
Batten has put in place the same sort of ceiling on UKIP's performance (and a much lower one) than Corbyn has on Labour's. I can't see that party under his leadership getting back over 10-15 per cent, because the rest of the population simply couldn't countenance voting that way. His political nous leading a small party in an FPTP system is highly questionable. A new Farage grouping (or his returning to save UKIP) might well do better.
A big question of our time will be where continuity Remainers and betrayed Brexiters end up after this is over.. because UKIP and the LibDems don't look optimally-placed to hoover them up en masse to me.
Even if the parties don't fracture, I sense a massive throwing-of-the-cards-in-the-air among some voters before long.
I must admit to thinking the same: Labour could (if/when in power) negotiate a permanent CU within the Transition Period of May's Deal. Is that wrong?
If I've understood things correctly then not only is it right, May's Deal is quite helpful, in that the EU swallowed quite a generous Customs Union option as part of the backstop.
If we end up either revoking A50 or a second referendum overturning the first it will depend on many factors how it pans out for the political parties and the mechanism employed to bring about this dramatic reverse.
If the HOC, through amendments to the meaningful vote, endorse a second referendum or even to revoke A50 it will be interesting to see how TM reacts and until matters become more certain, everything is just speculation
I don't think straight revocation would be a recommended course of action, except possibly in the context of dodging an utterly-unmitigated No Deal, and probably after some sort of Commons coup (given I can't realistically see May doing it or an election and new government before Mar 29th). Even so, whoever pulled that trigger would want to balance very carefully the total shit show of a crash-out with the total shit show of pitchforks and knuckles being dragged down Whitehall.
A referendum faces a similar judgment, but to tip the balance it needs (a) careful and widespread selling of it being about confirming the choice in the light of new information, not re-running the first one, (b) a stonking majority if we were to remain and (c) probably either a two-question or three-answer structure to reduce the chance of foul being called. And I'm not sure any/all of those would be forthcoming. (Which to me, makes the leper-like status of The Deal or similar all the more bizarre).
Sky have just reported from Ramsgate that Seaborne have started dredging the former ferry port with the intention of having it up and ready for the end of march to receive freight. A Seaborne dredger was shown actively working in the port and Sky said that this is the work Seaborne have been commissioned to complete. No mention of Seabourne leased ferries though that may follow but Seaborne are actively engaged in operations at Ramsgate from today
No idea about this but they are clearly working in Ramsgate dredging the port
I think people assume that the website is all important when for most companies its a faff of a side project that they probably outsourced to someone to do for a couple of grand.
I'm actually impressed that the company has a set of terms and conditions on the site - its remarkable how many firms don't
It comes as no surprise that Corbyn would thwart the Peoples' Vote. His preferred outcome is to leave the EU with no deal. Of course he pays lip service to staying close to the EU and, preposterously, even within the CU and SM, but he knows that would tie down his socialist ambitions for the UK as much as being a full member of the EU. The disingenuous policy of "constructive ambiguity" is now laid bare much to the chagrin of the middle class "intellectuals" who comprise the most vociferous support for reversing Brexit. But for all their noise they are numerically the smallest of Labour's natural constituencies. Of the others, the Momentum yoof brigade are less intensively wound up about the EU while the traditional working class are on balance in favour of leaving. When it comes to the choice between May's Withdrawal Agreement and No Deal, Labour under Corbyn will naturally vote against the WA and ensure No Deal. Then when it comes into office it will be free to pursue whatever Chavez-Maduro like policies it wishes. I of course favour No Deal, so in this I support Corbyn who is otherwise anathema to me.
Yes, and it's also the party position agreed at the conference, for all that the Guardian would like it to be different. The sequencing is clear and it hasn't changed:
1. Offer May a deal on Labour terms (permanent customs union is the simple one, but if she engaged there would be haggling over other things). The EU has said repeatedly that it's specifically the "no permanent customs union" red line that prevents reopening the deal. However, she's not interested and the clock is ticking. So...
2. Vote down the May deal. It's the only one on the table, and needs to be considered. It offers a low-grade second-class associate membership. There are probably enough votes to reject it clearly.
3. Block a No Deal by putting in killer amendments to every bit of legislation in sight which will paralyse government if we simply leave without a deal. These amendments have majority support in Parliament.
4. Seek a General Election through a VONC, to offer people a choice of delayed A50 and new negotiations without May's red lines. This is, frankly, likely to fail to get a majority.
5. Seek a second referendum, as other alternatives have been exhausted.
The Guardian and People's Vote campaigners (who bear an uncanny resemblance to a subset of the anti-Corbyn people) want to lift step 5 to step 1. But that means "join the Remain conspiracy" - it fails to show that we've made reasonable efforts to respect the referendum. Reach step 5 and there's a defensible case that we've offered alternative implementations of Leave and merely rejected the one that nearly everyone agrees is unacceptable.
One can disagree, but it's just silly to argue that Corbyn is defying the party by this. It's what we've agreed to do, and he's sticking to it.
So the plan is to gum up the works for the Gov't then switch to a 2nd referendum by about June xD ?
A man on Mars would be more impressive, the US sent a man to the Moon decades ago
Underlines how backwards we are. We couldn’t do this.
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. We don't have the capability to *launch* rockets (although that might come soon for small nanosats or cubesats from Scotland or Cornwall), but much of that is down to our geographic position.
However we are a major player in satellites. Our space market was work £13.7 billion in 2014/5, about 7% of the global market. That's a major success story considering we don't have launch services.
But tbf launchers are sexy, but not where the money is. This is why SpaceX is starting a constellation of satellites: that's where the money is. And we're very well placed in that market - and more so as the market moves towards the smaller satellites that we excel in.
As another example, an Israeli company is planning to land a probe on the Moon in the nextt few months, launched (I think) from a Falcon 9. The rockets are just the trucks. What matters is the cargo, and we could easily do this if there was political will.
But we probably shouldn't.
You can be sure we will give up our position on satellites due to government wuckfittery and lack of wanting to invest/stupidity.
That is already happening. Astrium (as was) is run by Airbus. Then along comes Brexit .....
I didn't mention UKIP but HYUFD does have a mindset that UKIP will surge if Brexit falls
I'm sure they would if Brexit stoped - I'm not sure they would win any seats though - the end result would likely be a few Labour Seats being surprise Tory wins...
Batten has put in place the same sort of ceiling on UKIP's performance (and a much lower one) than Corbyn has on Labour's. I can't see that party under his leadership getting back over 10-15 per cent, because the rest of the population simply couldn't countenance voting that way. His political nous leading a small party in an FPTP system is highly questionable. A new Farage grouping (or his returning to save UKIP) might well do better.
A big question of our time will be where continuity Remainers and betrayed Brexiters end up after this is over.. because UKIP and the LibDems don't look optimally-placed to hoover them up en masse to me.
Even if the parties don't fracture, I sense a massive throwing-of-the-cards-in-the-air among some voters before long.
I think there could be a large voter strike with voters staying at home.
Tories appalled at No Deal or some for compromising with the EU.
For Labour, it could be they get punished for enabling a No Deal Brexit when revocation was available.
Sky have just reported from Ramsgate that Seaborne have started dredging the former ferry port with the intention of having it up and ready for the end of march to receive freight. A Seaborne dredger was shown actively working in the port and Sky said that this is the work Seaborne have been commissioned to complete. No mention of Seabourne leased ferries though that may follow but Seaborne are actively engaged in operations at Ramsgate from today
There has to be a joke in there about dredging and Chris Grayling.
Chris Grayling is not a joke. He is quite the most incompetent of ministers ever to hold a cabinet position, and there is a lot of competition
My wife says he has disgusting teeth and she could fix them for 10-12 grand. I might drop him an email.
I must admit to thinking the same: Labour could (if/when in power) negotiate a permanent CU within the Transition Period of May's Deal. Is that wrong?
If I've understood things correctly then not only is it right, May's Deal is quite helpful, in that the EU swallowed quite a generous Customs Union option as part of the backstop.
May's deal is fine if you value economics over sovereignty.
Voter reaction to a situation they dislike depends on whether it angers them or makes them feel despondent. If the former, they're perhaps more likely to change their behaviour by voting for smaller/newer parties. If the latter, that may be likelier to just depress turnout.
So, if you are a Rejoiner/Remainer you can't vote Labour.
Any markets on Highest LibDem poll rating in the next three months?
But, I think Stephen Bush is correct that Corbyn's followers will forgive him over the EU, because of his left wing record.
Corbyn's "base" is a pretty small number, meanwhile a large number of centrists are peeling off. Either Jo Swinson or Layla Moran- both young and bright- are set to take over the Lib Dems, so Labour could be getting into really serious trouble, and it pains me to say it, the Tories are rediscovering loyalty... Milne and Corbyn could keep this incompetent shambles of a government in power indefinitely, despite the fact that there is now pretty likely a majority for Remain. UK politics could get very volatile. The way voters were prepared to consider Nick Clegg in 2010, even though it didn't happen in the end suggests that long term loyalties are breaking down.. So Labour tribalists beware, there are now very high risks.
So about that highest Lib Dem poll market...
Any evidence for your assertion that "a large number of centrists are peeling off"?
(...from supporting Labour presumably, not getting naked )
:-)
Well in Today's Indy, it says 88,000 are considering quitting the Labour Party...
Certainly several Lib Dem branches I know are reporting applications from "Life-Long Labour" supporters. Anecdotely, maybe, but it feels like a bridge has been crossed.
The Political class is ignoring 48% of the voters, and of the 52%, a fair few are quite pissed off with the Russian scandals and the total balls up that has been made of things since 2016.
So a Party that actually beleives in changing the system of politics might actually start to get a hearing... Ashdown took the party from *asterisk in the polls to doubling their number of seats. Like with the Iraq war, the Lib Dems have stuck to their position on the EU, popular or not, and I think that is beginning to count.
So, once again, about that highest poll market. If something is going to break out, or indeed peel off :-) then it would be nice to get on it at good and long odds.
Sky have just reported from Ramsgate that Seaborne have started dredging the former ferry port with the intention of having it up and ready for the end of march to receive freight. A Seaborne dredger was shown actively working in the port and Sky said that this is the work Seaborne have been commissioned to complete. No mention of Seabourne leased ferries though that may follow but Seaborne are actively engaged in operations at Ramsgate from today
There has to be a joke in there about dredging and Chris Grayling.
Chris Grayling is not a joke. He is quite the most incompetent of ministers ever to hold a cabinet position, and there is a lot of competition
My wife says he has disgusting teeth and she could fix them for 10-12 grand. I might drop him an email.
Is she a dentist or just a spirited entrepreneur? Presumably you can rent drills and things after you get the contract.
Sky have just reported from Ramsgate that Seaborne have started dredging the former ferry port with the intention of having it up and ready for the end of march to receive freight. A Seaborne dredger was shown actively working in the port and Sky said that this is the work Seaborne have been commissioned to complete. No mention of Seabourne leased ferries though that may follow but Seaborne are actively engaged in operations at Ramsgate from today
There has to be a joke in there about dredging and Chris Grayling.
Chris Grayling is not a joke. He is quite the most incompetent of ministers ever to hold a cabinet position, and there is a lot of competition
My wife says he has disgusting teeth and she could fix them for 10-12 grand. I might drop him an email.
Is she a dentist or just a spirited entrepreneur? Presumably you can rent drills and things after you get the contract.
Dentist. Of the overpriced cosmetic type. She has fixed up a LibDem MP but no tories to my knowledge.
So he's saying Corbyn is NOT defying calls for a second referendum?
I'm confused by the labour position on all this. Not least the cries of betrayal previously about Corbyn following the actual party policy rather than what people wished was party policy. So now I don't know whether he is changing position or not or if he's just pulling a May, putting off a decision or sticking to one position long past the point it is no longer viable.
I think almost certainly the latter. I think the important thing to remember about Corbyn is that he's one of the few politicians who is totally uninterested in Brexit. Even his ideological allies are either Lexiteers or fear Brexit would fatally hobble a Corbyn government. They care about it in some way. Corbyn's political worldview is subtly different though in that he essentially believes that whatever problems exist can be solved merely by a socialist government with the will to solve them. As such, it's a political irritant rather than the great issue of the day. He's just going to moan until it happens and then claim his own brand of declarative socialism is the only antidote.
Nail and head. This is far closer to the truth than the suggestions that Corbyn is some sort of secret strong leaver, despite having said or written next to nothing on the subject during a very long political career.
Simply not true. Corbyn has been open about his opposition to the EU all his political life. He can be heard railing against the euro in Radio 4’s “Brexit: A Love Story? Only recently he was telling some socialist allies that the EU was a capitalists’ club.
Yes - he mentions the state aid rules. But remember that not being in the Single Market means he no longer has to follow the rules on the freedom of movement of capital. A hard Brexit followed by a Corbyn government would be disastrous for Britain. Never mind the penny dropping for Labour supporters. When will it drop for Tory MPs? They are currently being Corbyn’s useful idiots.
I didn't mention UKIP but HYUFD does have a mindset that UKIP will surge if Brexit falls
I'm sure they would if Brexit stoped - I'm not sure they would win any seats though - the end result would likely be a few Labour Seats being surprise Tory wins...
Batten has put in place the same sort of ceiling on UKIP's performance (and a much lower one) than Corbyn has on Labour's. I can't see that party under his leadership getting back over 10-15 per cent, because the rest of the population simply couldn't countenance voting that way. His political nous leading a small party in an FPTP system is highly questionable. A new Farage grouping (or his returning to save UKIP) might well do better.
A big question of our time will be where continuity Remainers and betrayed Brexiters end up after this is over.. because UKIP and the LibDems don't look optimally-placed to hoover them up en masse to me.
Even if the parties don't fracture, I sense a massive throwing-of-the-cards-in-the-air among some voters before long.
I think there could be a large voter strike with voters staying at home.
Tories appalled at No Deal or some for compromising with the EU.
For Labour, it could be they get punished for enabling a No Deal Brexit when revocation was available.
I will never vote for either whilst the current crop of politicians are in charge. It looks like it has to be Lib Dem or some new party formed by those ashamed of the Nationalists and Marxists that infest noth of the big two
Currently waiting at the Royal Victoria Infirmary A&E. Really hoping its not a complications of my bowel surgery last year and that i’m overreacting. Not a good start of 2019 for PB so far!
I must admit to thinking the same: Labour could (if/when in power) negotiate a permanent CU within the Transition Period of May's Deal. Is that wrong?
If I've understood things correctly then not only is it right, May's Deal is quite helpful, in that the EU swallowed quite a generous Customs Union option as part of the backstop.
May's deal is fine if you value economics over sovereignty.
So he's saying Corbyn is NOT defying calls for a second referendum?
I'm confused by the labour position on all this. Not least the cries of betrayal previously about Corbyn following the actual party policy rather than what people wished was party policy. So now I don't know whether he is changing position or not or if he's just pulling a May, putting off a decision or sticking to one position long past the point it is no longer viable.
I think almost certainly the latter. I think the important thing to remember about Corbyn is that he's one of the few politicians who is totally uninterested in Brexit. Even his ideological allies are either Lexiteers or fear Brexit would fatally hobble a Corbyn government. They care about it in some way. Corbyn's political worldview is subtly different though in that he essentially believes that whatever problems exist can be solved merely by a socialist government with the will to solve them. As such, it's a political irritant rather than the great issue of the day. He's just going to moan until it happens and then claim his own brand of declarative socialism is the only antidote.
Nail and head. This is far closer to the truth than the suggestions that Corbyn is some sort of secret strong leaver, despite having said or written next to nothing on the subject during a very long political career.
Simply not true. Corbyn has been open about his opposition to the EU all his political life. He can be heard railing against the euro in Radio 4’s “Brexit: A Love Story? Only recently he was telling some socialist allies that the EU was a capitalists’ club.
Yes - he mentions the state aid rules. But remember that not being in the Single Market means he no longer has to follow the rules on the freedom of movement of capital. A hard Brexit followed by a Corbyn government would be disastrous for Britain. Never mind the penny dropping for Labour supporters. When will it drop for Tory MPs? They are currently being Corbyn’s useful idiots.
I must admit to thinking the same: Labour could (if/when in power) negotiate a permanent CU within the Transition Period of May's Deal. Is that wrong?
If I've understood things correctly then not only is it right, May's Deal is quite helpful, in that the EU swallowed quite a generous Customs Union option as part of the backstop.
May's deal is fine if you value economics over sovereignty.
Or if you're just desperate to get any sort of Brexit at all before the whole project collapses under the weight of its contradictions and mendacity.
Sky have just reported from Ramsgate that Seaborne have started dredging the former ferry port with the intention of having it up and ready for the end of march to receive freight. A Seaborne dredger was shown actively working in the port and Sky said that this is the work Seaborne have been commissioned to complete. No mention of Seabourne leased ferries though that may follow but Seaborne are actively engaged in operations at Ramsgate from today
There has to be a joke in there about dredging and Chris Grayling.
Chris Grayling is not a joke. He is quite the most incompetent of ministers ever to hold a cabinet position, and there is a lot of competition
My wife says he has disgusting teeth and she could fix them for 10-12 grand. I might drop him an email.
She should do Corbyn’s as well. His are pretty revolting too. Crooked, yellow and make it look as if he has bad breath.
I think both Corbyn and May voted to remain but neither has any love for the EU. If they were outside politics both would probably be in the quiet 'get on with it' section of the voters.
Jezza is a survivalist. There's too many Labour seats at stake in the North to be full on for a re-run of the referendum. Can he win a GE as a London party?
My constituency voted 58% Leave but had a 24,000 plus Labour majority at the last GE. Labour polled just under 36,000, to the Tories 11,500. The LDs and Ukip were close together at around 2,000.
Even if all the Tories and Ukip voted Leave (they didn't), there must have been a massive Labour Leave vote. This is just outside Liverpool - it isn't London. Yet people use London as the template.
Jezza will retain the tribal voters, even if he executed all the first-born, but ties are loosening. He expects to retain the middle-class, EU friendly in the South because they have nowhere to go, apart from the LDs and Greens who are irrelevant up here.
Currently waiting at the Royal Victoria Infirmary A&E. Really hoping its not a complications of my bowel surgery last year and that i’m overreacting. Not a good start of 2019 for PB so far!
I didn't mention UKIP but HYUFD does have a mindset that UKIP will surge if Brexit falls
I'm sure they would if Brexit stoped - I'm not sure they would win any seats though - the end result would likely be a few Labour Seats being surprise Tory wins...
Batten has put in place the same sort of ceiling on UKIP's performance (and a much lower one) than Corbyn has on Labour's. I can't see that party under his leadership getting back over 10-15 per cent, because the rest of the population simply couldn't countenance voting that way. His political nous leading a small party in an FPTP system is highly questionable. A new Farage grouping (or his returning to save UKIP) might well do better.
A big question of our time will be where continuity Remainers and betrayed Brexiters end up after this is over.. because UKIP and the LibDems don't look optimally-placed to hoover them up en masse to me.
Even if the parties don't fracture, I sense a massive throwing-of-the-cards-in-the-air among some voters before long.
I think there could be a large voter strike with voters staying at home.
Tories appalled at No Deal or some for compromising with the EU.
For Labour, it could be they get punished for enabling a No Deal Brexit when revocation was available.
I will never vote for either whilst the current crop of politicians are in charge. It looks like it has to be Lib Dem or some new party formed by those ashamed of the Nationalists and Marxists that infest noth of the big two
We should start our own. Its USP will be common-sense. And its members will be well-dressed and exquisitely well-shod.
It seems to me that the sort of places that the LDs could pick up remain switchers from Lab are the sort of places they did well post-Iraq: Bristol W, Hornsey, Cambridge, Manchester Withington etc
The key question is whether anger over Brexit now is enough to displace any lingering anger over tuition fees...
Ironically, I could also see the LDs gaining ground in the Islington and Camden constituencies (although nowhere near toppling Corbyn or Thornberry)
It seems to me that the sort of places that the LDs could pick up remain switchers from Lab are the sort of places they did well post-Iraq: Bristol W, Hornsey, Cambridge, Manchester Withington etc
The key question is whether anger over Brexit now is enough to displace any lingering anger over tuition fees...
Ironically, I could also see the LDs gaining ground in the Islington and Camden constituencies (although nowhere near toppling Corbyn or Thornberry)
Bristol West was an amazing result for Labour at GE17.
I didn't mention UKIP but HYUFD does have a mindset that UKIP will surge if Brexit falls
I'm sure they would if Brexit stoped - I'm not sure they would win any seats though - the end result would likely be a few Labour Seats being surprise Tory wins...
Batten has put in place the same sort of ceiling on UKIP's performance (and a much lower one) than Corbyn has on Labour's. I can't see that party under his leadership getting back over 10-15 per cent, because the rest of the population simply couldn't countenance voting that way. His political nous leading a small party in an FPTP system is highly questionable. A new Farage grouping (or his returning to save UKIP) might well do better.
A big question of our time will be where continuity Remainers and betrayed Brexiters end up after this is over.. because UKIP and the LibDems don't look optimally-placed to hoover them up en masse to me.
Even if the parties don't fracture, I sense a massive throwing-of-the-cards-in-the-air among some voters before long.
I think there could be a large voter strike with voters staying at home.
Tories appalled at No Deal or some for compromising with the EU.
For Labour, it could be they get punished for enabling a No Deal Brexit when revocation was available.
I will never vote for either whilst the current crop of politicians are in charge. It looks like it has to be Lib Dem or some new party formed by those ashamed of the Nationalists and Marxists that infest noth of the big two
We should start our own. Its USP will be common-sense. And its members will be well-dressed and exquisitely well-shod.
It certainly would rule out most politicians, but Mrs May's application cannot be accepted no matter how good her shoes are.
The daft thing about Corbyn being against a referendum is that it's almost certainly unachievable in practice given the time constraints so backing calls for one is pretty much a free hit. In the extremely unlikely event that one was forced, Labour would be very powerfully placed to ensure that even if No Deal was on the ballot paper, it wouldn't be chosen (2-question format / 1. Do you favour the UK leaving without a Deal; 2. If No, Deal vs Remain).
When I saw the headline I thought he was going to have made a comment regarding the fans booing him in the final. But no:
“It’s horrible isn’t it. Did you vote for Brexit? Brex-shit. I don’t like it. Look at the pound and the euro. I get everything paid in pounds so just have a look how much it dropped. Let’s say it dropped by 10%, that’s cost me 10% of my prize money straight away. So that’s quite a lot of money. But it’s not only that. It’s horrible.”
Currently waiting at the Royal Victoria Infirmary A&E. Really hoping its not a complications of my bowel surgery last year and that i’m overreacting. Not a good start of 2019 for PB so far!
The one place I disagree with Mike is where he says
"It is hard to predict what’s the next week is going to bring as Mrs. May’s deal comes back to MPs for their approval"
It's very easy to predict: we're in for a re-run of this time a month ago. What happens over the next fortnight - i.e. including the week in which the vote is currently scheduled - is a much more open question.
The daft thing about Corbyn being against a referendum is that it's almost certainly unachievable in practice given the time constraints so backing calls for one is pretty much a free hit. In the extremely unlikely event that one was forced, Labour would be very powerfully placed to ensure that even if No Deal was on the ballot paper, it wouldn't be chosen (2-question format / 1. Do you favour the UK leaving without a Deal; 2. If No, Deal vs Remain).
The EU would loosen the time constraints for a second third referendum.
The daft thing about Corbyn being against a referendum is that it's almost certainly unachievable in practice given the time constraints so backing calls for one is pretty much a free hit. In the extremely unlikely event that one was forced, Labour would be very powerfully placed to ensure that even if No Deal was on the ballot paper, it wouldn't be chosen (2-question format / 1. Do you favour the UK leaving without a Deal; 2. If No, Deal vs Remain).
That is the first time I've seen a set of referendum questions that actually make sense and would give a sensible result...
Mind you you would still have to argue against project fear in the first question...
The daft thing about Corbyn being against a referendum is that it's almost certainly unachievable in practice given the time constraints so backing calls for one is pretty much a free hit. In the extremely unlikely event that one was forced, Labour would be very powerfully placed to ensure that even if No Deal was on the ballot paper, it wouldn't be chosen (2-question format / 1. Do you favour the UK leaving without a Deal; 2. If No, Deal vs Remain).
Yes indeed.
I am increasingly coming to the opinion that Corbyn at least wants the chaos of a Tory No Deal to provoke a socialist revolution of sorts.
Some of you will say that's fantasy; some will incredulously ask 'have you only just spotted that?'.
But why else would he turn down the chance that May's Deal offers to: a) get Labour's (ostensibly) preferred CU with no FoM Brexit and b) in all probability a GE following the VonC that the approval of May's Deal will likely provoke?
The daft thing about Corbyn being against a referendum is that it's almost certainly unachievable in practice given the time constraints so backing calls for one is pretty much a free hit. In the extremely unlikely event that one was forced, Labour would be very powerfully placed to ensure that even if No Deal was on the ballot paper, it wouldn't be chosen (2-question format / 1. Do you favour the UK leaving without a Deal; 2. If No, Deal vs Remain).
Exactly. Corbyn's real problems will begin once we have Brexited under a No Deal or May Deal scenario and he is not felt to have done all that he could have done to prevent it happening.
I didn't mention UKIP but HYUFD does have a mindset that UKIP will surge if Brexit falls
I'm sure they would if Brexit stoped - I'm not sure they would win any seats though - the end result would likely be a few Labour Seats being surprise Tory wins...
Batten has put in place the same sort of ceiling on UKIP's performance (and a much lower one) than Corbyn has on Labour's. I can't see that party under his leadership getting back over 10-15 per cent, because the rest of the population simply couldn't countenance voting that way. His political nous leading a small party in an FPTP system is highly questionable. A new Farage grouping (or his returning to save UKIP) might well do better.
A big question of our time will be where continuity Remainers and betrayed Brexiters end up after this is over.. because UKIP and the LibDems don't look optimally-placed to hoover them up en masse to me.
Even if the parties don't fracture, I sense a massive throwing-of-the-cards-in-the-air among some voters before long.
I think there could be a large voter strike with voters staying at home.
Tories appalled at No Deal or some for compromising with the EU.
For Labour, it could be they get punished for enabling a No Deal Brexit when revocation was available.
I will never vote for either whilst the current crop of politicians are in charge. It looks like it has to be Lib Dem or some new party formed by those ashamed of the Nationalists and Marxists that infest noth of the big two
We should start our own. Its USP will be common-sense. And its members will be well-dressed and exquisitely well-shod.
It certainly would rule out most politicians, but Mrs May's application cannot be accepted no matter how good her shoes are.
With you there. Plus she has terrible taste in lipstick.
Why would we want most existing politicians in it anyway? I’d like any new party to at least aim for a modicum of competence and honesty
The daft thing about Corbyn being against a referendum is that it's almost certainly unachievable in practice given the time constraints so backing calls for one is pretty much a free hit. In the extremely unlikely event that one was forced, Labour would be very powerfully placed to ensure that even if No Deal was on the ballot paper, it wouldn't be chosen (2-question format / 1. Do you favour the UK leaving without a Deal; 2. If No, Deal vs Remain).
Exactly. Corbyn's real problems will begin once we have Brexited under a No Deal or May Deal scenario and he is not felt to have done all that he could have done to prevent it happening.
So we get Brexit and a weakened Corbyn. What's not to love?
The daft thing about Corbyn being against a referendum is that it's almost certainly unachievable in practice given the time constraints so backing calls for one is pretty much a free hit. In the extremely unlikely event that one was forced, Labour would be very powerfully placed to ensure that even if No Deal was on the ballot paper, it wouldn't be chosen (2-question format / 1. Do you favour the UK leaving without a Deal; 2. If No, Deal vs Remain).
That is the first time I've seen a set of referendum questions that actually make sense and would give a sensible result...
Mind you you would still have to argue against project fear in the first question...
That doesn't make sense, it's too clever by half: The conditional part with "if no" creates weird tactical voting incentives for the most dangerous option. If you need two options, the non-bonkers way to do it is to just do "what's brexit (deal or not)?" followed by another round for "now that you know what it is, do you want to do it?".
However there doesn't seem to be much interest among any of the veto players for No Deal, so in the unlikely event of a second referendum I doubt it would be included.
The daft thing about Corbyn being against a referendum is that it's almost certainly unachievable in practice given the time constraints so backing calls for one is pretty much a free hit. In the extremely unlikely event that one was forced, Labour would be very powerfully placed to ensure that even if No Deal was on the ballot paper, it wouldn't be chosen (2-question format / 1. Do you favour the UK leaving without a Deal; 2. If No, Deal vs Remain).
Yes indeed.
I am increasingly coming to the opinion that Corbyn at least wants the chaos of a Tory No Deal to provoke a socialist revolution of sorts.
Some of you will say that's fantasy; some will incredulously ask 'have you only just spotted that?'.
But why else would he turn down the chance that May's Deal offers to: a) get Labour's (ostensibly) preferred CU with no FoM Brexit and b) in all probability a GE following the VonC that the approval of May's Deal will likely provoke?
Put me in the “incredulous ”Have you only just spotted that?” category.
The daft thing about Corbyn being against a referendum is that it's almost certainly unachievable in practice given the time constraints so backing calls for one is pretty much a free hit. In the extremely unlikely event that one was forced, Labour would be very powerfully placed to ensure that even if No Deal was on the ballot paper, it wouldn't be chosen (2-question format / 1. Do you favour the UK leaving without a Deal; 2. If No, Deal vs Remain).
Exactly. Corbyn's real problems will begin once we have Brexited under a No Deal or May Deal scenario and he is not felt to have done all that he could have done to prevent it happening.
No Deal chaos will not be blamed on Labour, even if they have been complicit. The Tories will rightly carry the can - which is what I suspect Corbyn is counting on.
I didn't mention UKIP but HYUFD does have a mindset that UKIP will surge if Brexit falls
I'm sure they would if Brexit stoped - I'm not sure they would win any seats though - the end result would likely be a few Labour Seats being surprise Tory wins...
Batten has put in place the same sort of ceiling on UKIP's performance (and a much lower one) than Corbyn has on Labour's. I can't see that party under his leadership getting back over 10-15 per cent, because the rest of the population simply couldn't countenance voting that way. His political nous leading a small party in an FPTP system is highly questionable. A new Farage grouping (or his returning to save UKIP) might well do better.
A big question of our time will be where continuity Remainers and betrayed Brexiters end up after this is over.. because UKIP and the LibDems don't look optimally-placed to hoover them up en masse to me.
Even if the parties don't fracture, I sense a massive throwing-of-the-cards-in-the-air among some voters before long.
I think there could be a large voter strike with voters staying at home.
Tories appalled at No Deal or some for compromising with the EU.
For Labour, it could be they get punished for enabling a No Deal Brexit when revocation was available.
I will never vote for either whilst the current crop of politicians are in charge. It looks like it has to be Lib Dem or some new party formed by those ashamed of the Nationalists and Marxists that infest noth of the big two
We should start our own. Its USP will be common-sense. And its members will be well-dressed and exquisitely well-shod.
The daft thing about Corbyn being against a referendum is that it's almost certainly unachievable in practice given the time constraints so backing calls for one is pretty much a free hit. In the extremely unlikely event that one was forced, Labour would be very powerfully placed to ensure that even if No Deal was on the ballot paper, it wouldn't be chosen (2-question format / 1. Do you favour the UK leaving without a Deal; 2. If No, Deal vs Remain).
Yes indeed.
I am increasingly coming to the opinion that Corbyn at least wants the chaos of a Tory No Deal to provoke a socialist revolution of sorts.
Some of you will say that's fantasy; some will incredulously ask 'have you only just spotted that?'.
But why else would he turn down the chance that May's Deal offers to: a) get Labour's (ostensibly) preferred CU with no FoM Brexit and b) in all probability a GE following the VonC that the approval of May's Deal will likely provoke?
Put me in the “incredulous ”Have you only just spotted that?” category.
The Corbyn statement should be absolutely no surprise to anyone. Corbyn is no fan of the EU as it is currently constituted. He would support a socialist EU but that ship has long sailed.
There was a time when the purpose of the EEC seemed to be to help disadvantaged areas (Cornwall, South Wales and the Highlands all benefitted from Objective One funding in the day) by improving infrastructure and encouraging investment. That would be an EU I could support but by going down the Single Market route the EU did become "a capitalists club" pro-business working on the old adage "money talks people walk" and especially so with the pool of cheap labour which became available after the fall of the Berlin Wall.
Corbyn's economic vision isn't in the EU of today (or probably in the EEC of old) so he wants the UK out to enable him to instigate policy to move Britain in a socialist economic direction.
One might say, fair enough. IF he wins a GE on that platform he has the mandate to try to create a socialist Britain and who are the EU to stand in his way?
As I've said before, I have no desire to live in Caracas-on-Thames or Singapore-on-Thames.
Signs May is preparing another kicking to the much-bruised can with another delay or postponement. Damian Hinds parroted May this morning - all the Deal advocates have left is fear whether of No Deal or of Brexit being abandoned completely.
Yet we know if May proposed the revocation of A50 it would mean the political suicide of the Conservative Party so it can only be making the best of No Deal and even George Osborne in the Standard last evening opined the true cost of No Deal preparations would be in the several billions of pounds.
It seems to me that the sort of places that the LDs could pick up remain switchers from Lab are the sort of places they did well post-Iraq: Bristol W, Hornsey, Cambridge, Manchester Withington etc
The key question is whether anger over Brexit now is enough to displace any lingering anger over tuition fees...
Ironically, I could also see the LDs gaining ground in the Islington and Camden constituencies (although nowhere near toppling Corbyn or Thornberry)
Bristol West was an amazing result for Labour at GE17.
It was but I think it overstates Labour's position and that they will go backwards next time in this seat (and also remember that many of the 2015 electors will have now moved away)
I didn't mention UKIP but HYUFD does have a mindset that UKIP will surge if Brexit falls
I'm sure they would if Brexit stoped - I'm not sure they would win any seats though - the end result would likely be a few Labour Seats being surprise Tory wins...
Batten has put in place the same sort of ceiling on UKIP's performance (and a much lower one) than Corbyn has on Labour's. I can't see that party under his leadership getting back over 10-15 per cent, because the rest of the population simply couldn't countenance voting that way. His political nous leading a small party in an FPTP system is highly questionable. A new Farage grouping (or his returning to save UKIP) might well do better.
A big question of our time will be where continuity Remainers and betrayed Brexiters end up after this is over.. because UKIP and the LibDems don't look optimally-placed to hoover them up en masse to me.
Even if the parties don't fracture, I sense a massive throwing-of-the-cards-in-the-air among some voters before long.
I think there could be a large voter strike with voters staying at home.
Tories appalled at No Deal or some for compromising with the EU.
For Labour, it could be they get punished for enabling a No Deal Brexit when revocation was available.
I will never vote for either whilst the current crop of politicians are in charge. It looks like it has to be Lib Dem or some new party formed by those ashamed of the Nationalists and Marxists that infest noth of the big two
We should start our own. Its USP will be common-sense. And its members will be well-dressed and exquisitely well-shod.
It certainly would rule out most politicians, but Mrs May's application cannot be accepted no matter how good her shoes are.
With you there. Plus she has terrible taste in lipstick.
Why would we want most existing politicians in it anyway? I’d like any new party to at least aim for a modicum of competence and honesty
Her lipstick is not the half of it. What about when she went to meet the Queen to become PM - she was wearing a neon yellow hi-viz bum flap.
The daft thing about Corbyn being against a referendum is that it's almost certainly unachievable in practice given the time constraints so backing calls for one is pretty much a free hit. In the extremely unlikely event that one was forced, Labour would be very powerfully placed to ensure that even if No Deal was on the ballot paper, it wouldn't be chosen (2-question format / 1. Do you favour the UK leaving without a Deal; 2. If No, Deal vs Remain).
I rather like that - and it would be impossible to argue credibly that it doesn’t respect the original leave vote.
The daft thing about Corbyn being against a referendum is that it's almost certainly unachievable in practice given the time constraints so backing calls for one is pretty much a free hit. In the extremely unlikely event that one was forced, Labour would be very powerfully placed to ensure that even if No Deal was on the ballot paper, it wouldn't be chosen (2-question format / 1. Do you favour the UK leaving without a Deal; 2. If No, Deal vs Remain).
Exactly. Corbyn's real problems will begin once we have Brexited under a No Deal or May Deal scenario and he is not felt to have done all that he could have done to prevent it happening.
No Deal chaos will not be blamed on Labour, even if they have been complicit. The Tories will rightly carry the can - which is what I suspect Corbyn is counting on.
The one place I disagree with Mike is where he says
"It is hard to predict what’s the next week is going to bring as Mrs. May’s deal comes back to MPs for their approval"
It's very easy to predict: we're in for a re-run of this time a month ago. What happens over the next fortnight - i.e. including the week in which the vote is currently scheduled - is a much more open question.
There's already noises off urging May to bottle the MV again. Difference is this time, she can't, not really. If there's no agreement by the 21st Jan, the emergency fallback procedures of the Withdrawal Act come into play.
The daft thing about Corbyn being against a referendum is that it's almost certainly unachievable in practice given the time constraints so backing calls for one is pretty much a free hit. In the extremely unlikely event that one was forced, Labour would be very powerfully placed to ensure that even if No Deal was on the ballot paper, it wouldn't be chosen (2-question format / 1. Do you favour the UK leaving without a Deal; 2. If No, Deal vs Remain).
Exactly. Corbyn's real problems will begin once we have Brexited under a No Deal or May Deal scenario and he is not felt to have done all that he could have done to prevent it happening.
So we get Brexit and a weakened Corbyn. What's not to love?
Brexit won’t weaken Corbyn. It will strengthen him. The Tories will be blamed for everything and he and his close allies get the chance to implement their socialist nirvana unhindered by any rules. All those who say they won’t vote for him because Brexit are toothless paper tigers. They will put their nose pegs on and vote for him regardless. As will qiite a lot of ordinary voters incensed by rail ticket price increases and similar everyday stuff. The EU will be able to help itself to the cream of Britain’s industries and people.
And his biggest helpers will be those Tories too stupid to see that May’s deal is the best on offer, if Brexit is to proceed, or too cowardly to put a halt to the process, if they think it isn’t.
All this talk of China's space exploits have ended with me infected by The Great Gig In The Sky.
And provides an interesting spin on those who don’t think they are rapidly becoming a global power... https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/jan/03/china-probe-change-4-land-far-side-moon-basin-crater “China has been very clear in its understanding of this. They have compared the moon to the South China sea and Taiwan, and asteroids to the East China sea. They’re making a very clear geopolitical comparison with what’s happening with space and we need to pay attention to that.”...
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"If God had meant us to go to the moon he'd have put a railway there."
In politics timing is everything.
By 2016, they were an irrelevence of a party with a small fraction of the MPs they had in 2010 and an even weedier voice.
Step 1 is something they can negotiate after taking the deal, and there's no sign that it would cause the EU to reopen the deal to take out the backstop or whatever. Which makes steps 2 and 3 standard unprincipled opposition wrecking tactics. Step 4 isn't likely to get anywhere, as Nick Palmer admits, and even if it did happen it just postpones the question of what the policy is that they'd enact if they won. So the only possibly principled part is Step 5, but Steps 1 to 4 are designed to either postpone or prevent the implementation of Step 5 and avoid the need to argue for it.
So about that highest Lib Dem poll market...
But I don't recall any recent British satellites being launched by err anyone. The last piece of British cargo launched was Tim Peake's socks I think !
A referendum faces a similar judgment, but to tip the balance it needs (a) careful and widespread selling of it being about confirming the choice in the light of new information, not re-running the first one, (b) a stonking majority if we were to remain and (c) probably either a two-question or three-answer structure to reduce the chance of foul being called. And I'm not sure any/all of those would be forthcoming. (Which to me, makes the leper-like status of The Deal or similar all the more bizarre).
Also, a VoNC is much more likely to pass if May's Deal passes with the consequent ERG and DUP displeasure.
(...from supporting Labour presumably, not getting naked
Corbyn is taking a big gamble. That said, the increasingly lunatic posturing of Javid, Hunt, Williamson and co is going to be a huge help to Labour. As the Tories move ever rightwards, the dangers of risking them winning a majority become ever greater. This, I suspect, will continue to keep the Labour 2017 coalition largely together.
https://www.cer.eu/insights/customs-union-membership-no-way-out-brexit-trap
td;lr is that it's possible to be in the Customs Union without Freedom of Movement, as Turkey is. But it's not clear that on its own this would be enough to avoid a hard border in NI, and to get a reasonably sane deal without too much economic damage you'd want to opt in to a whole load of other stuff too like Switzerland does, which the EU won't agree to without FoM.
A big question of our time will be where continuity Remainers and betrayed Brexiters end up after this is over.. because UKIP and the LibDems don't look optimally-placed to hoover them up en masse to me.
Even if the parties don't fracture, I sense a massive throwing-of-the-cards-in-the-air among some voters before long.
I'm actually impressed that the company has a set of terms and conditions on the site - its remarkable how many firms don't
The disingenuous policy of "constructive ambiguity" is now laid bare much to the chagrin of the middle class "intellectuals" who comprise the most vociferous support for reversing Brexit. But for all their noise they are numerically the smallest of Labour's natural constituencies. Of the others, the Momentum yoof brigade are less intensively wound up about the EU while the traditional working class are on balance in favour of leaving.
When it comes to the choice between May's Withdrawal Agreement and No Deal, Labour under Corbyn will naturally vote against the WA and ensure No Deal. Then when it comes into office it will be free to pursue whatever Chavez-Maduro like policies it wishes.
I of course favour No Deal, so in this I support Corbyn who is otherwise anathema to me.
Tories appalled at No Deal or some for compromising with the EU.
For Labour, it could be they get punished for enabling a No Deal Brexit when revocation was available.
Voter reaction to a situation they dislike depends on whether it angers them or makes them feel despondent. If the former, they're perhaps more likely to change their behaviour by voting for smaller/newer parties. If the latter, that may be likelier to just depress turnout.
Well in Today's Indy, it says 88,000 are considering quitting the Labour Party...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-second-referendum-labour-peoples-vote-final-say-jeremy-corbyn-eu-a8706586.html
Certainly several Lib Dem branches I know are reporting applications from "Life-Long Labour" supporters. Anecdotely, maybe, but it feels like a bridge has been crossed.
The Political class is ignoring 48% of the voters, and of the 52%, a fair few are quite pissed off with the Russian scandals and the total balls up that has been made of things since 2016.
So a Party that actually beleives in changing the system of politics might actually start to get a hearing... Ashdown took the party from *asterisk in the polls to doubling their number of seats. Like with the Iraq war, the Lib Dems have stuck to their position on the EU, popular or not, and I think that is beginning to count.
So, once again, about that highest poll market. If something is going to break out, or indeed peel off :-) then it would be nice to get on it at good and long odds.
Yes - he mentions the state aid rules. But remember that not being in the Single Market means he no longer has to follow the rules on the freedom of movement of capital. A hard Brexit followed by a Corbyn government would be disastrous for Britain. Never mind the penny dropping for Labour supporters. When will it drop for Tory MPs? They are currently being Corbyn’s useful idiots.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/11859648/Jeremy-Corbyn-admits-he-voted-for-Britain-to-leave-Europe-in-1975.html
My constituency voted 58% Leave but had a 24,000 plus Labour majority at the last GE. Labour polled just under 36,000, to the Tories 11,500. The LDs and Ukip were close together at around 2,000.
Even if all the Tories and Ukip voted Leave (they didn't), there must have been a massive Labour Leave vote. This is just outside Liverpool - it isn't London. Yet people use London as the template.
Jezza will retain the tribal voters, even if he executed all the first-born, but ties are loosening. He expects to retain the middle-class, EU friendly in the South because they have nowhere to go, apart from the LDs and Greens who are irrelevant up here.
The key question is whether anger over Brexit now is enough to displace any lingering anger over tuition fees...
Ironically, I could also see the LDs gaining ground in the Islington and Camden constituencies (although nowhere near toppling Corbyn or Thornberry)
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jan/02/michael-van-gerwen-brexit-phil-taylor
When I saw the headline I thought he was going to have made a comment regarding the fans booing him in the final. But no:
“It’s horrible isn’t it. Did you vote for Brexit? Brex-shit. I don’t like it. Look at the pound and the euro. I get everything paid in pounds so just have a look how much it dropped. Let’s say it dropped by 10%, that’s cost me 10% of my prize money straight away. So that’s quite a lot of money. But it’s not only that. It’s horrible.”
"It is hard to predict what’s the next week is going to bring as Mrs. May’s deal comes back to MPs for their approval"
It's very easy to predict: we're in for a re-run of this time a month ago. What happens over the next fortnight - i.e. including the week in which the vote is currently scheduled - is a much more open question.
secondthird referendum.Mind you you would still have to argue against project fear in the first question...
I am increasingly coming to the opinion that Corbyn at least wants the chaos of a Tory No Deal to provoke a socialist revolution of sorts.
Some of you will say that's fantasy; some will incredulously ask 'have you only just spotted that?'.
But why else would he turn down the chance that May's Deal offers to:
a) get Labour's (ostensibly) preferred CU with no FoM Brexit and
b) in all probability a GE following the VonC that the approval of May's Deal will likely provoke?
Why would we want most existing politicians in it anyway? I’d like any new party to at least aim for a modicum of competence and honesty
However there doesn't seem to be much interest among any of the veto players for No Deal, so in the unlikely event of a second referendum I doubt it would be included.
The Corbyn statement should be absolutely no surprise to anyone. Corbyn is no fan of the EU as it is currently constituted. He would support a socialist EU but that ship has long sailed.
There was a time when the purpose of the EEC seemed to be to help disadvantaged areas (Cornwall, South Wales and the Highlands all benefitted from Objective One funding in the day) by improving infrastructure and encouraging investment. That would be an EU I could support but by going down the Single Market route the EU did become "a capitalists club" pro-business working on the old adage "money talks people walk" and especially so with the pool of cheap labour which became available after the fall of the Berlin Wall.
Corbyn's economic vision isn't in the EU of today (or probably in the EEC of old) so he wants the UK out to enable him to instigate policy to move Britain in a socialist economic direction.
One might say, fair enough. IF he wins a GE on that platform he has the mandate to try to create a socialist Britain and who are the EU to stand in his way?
As I've said before, I have no desire to live in Caracas-on-Thames or Singapore-on-Thames.
Signs May is preparing another kicking to the much-bruised can with another delay or postponement. Damian Hinds parroted May this morning - all the Deal advocates have left is fear whether of No Deal or of Brexit being abandoned completely.
Yet we know if May proposed the revocation of A50 it would mean the political suicide of the Conservative Party so it can only be making the best of No Deal and even George Osborne in the Standard last evening opined the true cost of No Deal preparations would be in the several billions of pounds.
The Bernie Bro campaign possibly in trouble:
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/423622-sanders-says-he-did-not-know-sexual-harassment-allegations-during-campaign
Lovely jubbly.
But once again, he's simply restated Labour's existing policy, which has been unchanged since conference.
With leopard print shoes.
Brexit won’t weaken Corbyn. It will strengthen him. The Tories will be blamed for everything and he and his close allies get the chance to implement their socialist nirvana unhindered by any rules. All those who say they won’t vote for him because Brexit are toothless paper tigers. They will put their nose pegs on and vote for him regardless. As will qiite a lot of ordinary voters incensed by rail ticket price increases and similar everyday stuff. The EU will be able to help itself to the cream of Britain’s industries and people.
And his biggest helpers will be those Tories too stupid to see that May’s deal is the best on offer, if Brexit is to proceed, or too cowardly to put a halt to the process, if they think it isn’t.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46723627
And provides an interesting spin on those who don’t think they are rapidly becoming a global power...
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/jan/03/china-probe-change-4-land-far-side-moon-basin-crater
“China has been very clear in its understanding of this. They have compared the moon to the South China sea and Taiwan, and asteroids to the East China sea. They’re making a very clear geopolitical comparison with what’s happening with space and we need to pay attention to that.”...