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  • Looks like May caved on fishing:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsmhP1fW0AEyVM2.jpg

    I am shocked, I tell you. SHOCKED, that our glorious negotiator in chief conceded even more ground in exchange for nothing.

    Ball in your court, Ruthie....
    Honestly, who cares about fishing?
    13 Scottish Tory MPs
    They've been pretty clear:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-43363044

    Unless the link is a bad summary, I can't see any red lines currently being broken.

    I think they will be broken, when the UK chooses to allocate quotas the same way as it has previously done. But that's years down the line.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Is Corbyn going to struggle to return in time from West Wales? https://twitter.com/adrianmasters84/status/1065565078039203840
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Pulpstar said:

    Also, the fisheries deal is tied to the overall economic partnership.

    Not only has May betrayed UK fisheries by agreeing preferential access to EU fleets, the trading deal has been made contingent on it!

    Nice work, France. You stitched May up, like an overfished kipper.

    Can you please point this out - where it says in the agreement about preferential access to EU fleets ANYWHERE ?!
    It says, we can't get any trade deal unless we make France, Netherlands, Spain happy by giving them access to our waters, ahead of UK fleets.

    This is a total betrayal. UTTER capitulation, a humiliation.

    And what did May get for this? A metric tonne of jack shit, by the looks of things.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591
    Well I think I was wrong when I said at 10.32 that the declaration would be dead by the end of the day.

    It's now clear that it will be dead by lunchtime.
  • I see some on here are convincing themselves the deal is dead.

    They may well be right but as far as I am concerned I await to see how this plays out under the full media circus both here and across Europe.

    The sensible response is anything could happen rather than running the risk of getting egg on your face

    The pound is rising considerably so the markets are onside

    Several different people, on several different days, have said that the pound is rising in the days since it fell off a cliff when Raab resigned. It's still below where it was before that resignation. Even if Brexit were the only factor affecting the exchange rate don't fool yourself by looking at intraday changes.


  • It says, we can't get any trade deal unless we make France, Netherlands, Spain happy by giving them access to our waters, ahead of UK fleets.

    which clause is that?
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  • GIN1138 said:

    Looks like May caved on fishing:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsmhP1fW0AEyVM2.jpg

    I am shocked, I tell you. SHOCKED, that our glorious negotiator in chief conceded even more ground in exchange for nothing.

    Ball in your court, Ruthie....
    Honestly, who cares about fishing? It's given far more prominence in political debate than its contribution to our GDP deserves. It's a rounding error.
    Only because Heath destroyed it in the 70's.

    The hope was that with Brexit a new era of fishing might be unleashed that would help to revive some of our coastal towns that have fallen into ruins.

    That looks dead in the water now as well...

    Still I suppose it makes a nice bookend. British fishermen were betrayed on the way in and now they're betrayed on the way out... :D
    How much knowledge do you actually have on the fishing industry
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Looks like May caved on fishing:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsmhP1fW0AEyVM2.jpg

    I am shocked, I tell you. SHOCKED, that our glorious negotiator in chief conceded even more ground in exchange for nothing.

    Ball in your court, Ruthie....
    Honestly, who cares about fishing? It's given far more prominence in political debate than its contribution to our GDP deserves. It's a rounding error.
    6 Scottish Tory MPs depend on fishing for their job.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,628
    dr_spyn said:

    Is Corbyn going to struggle to return in time from West Wales? https://twitter.com/adrianmasters84/status/1065565078039203840

    Haverfordwest???

    John McDonnell been filling up Jeremy's diary?
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234

    Well I think I was wrong when I said at 10.32 that the declaration would be dead by the end of the day.

    It's now clear that it will be dead by lunchtime.

    To be clear, PB was never likely to give it a fair hearing,

    But May's boundless, almost infinite uselessness at negotiating really makes our lives easy.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300

    dr_spyn said:

    Is Corbyn going to struggle to return in time from West Wales? https://twitter.com/adrianmasters84/status/1065565078039203840

    Haverfordwest???

    John McDonnell been filling up Jeremy's diary?
    Bus replacement for trains according to National Rail inquiries. Could be a wonderful foul up.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Like Angela, unlike Bernie

    Seems right

  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789

    Ah well... it'll make up for when we can no longer leave the country :)

    Transport Secretary announces new flights between Cornwall and Heathrow

    What happens when a fed up Cornwall votes for Mebyon Kernow?
    Insolvency.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,628
    dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Is Corbyn going to struggle to return in time from West Wales? https://twitter.com/adrianmasters84/status/1065565078039203840

    Haverfordwest???

    John McDonnell been filling up Jeremy's diary?
    Bus replacement for trains according to National Rail inquiries. Could be a wonderful foul up.
    He can sit on the floor of the bus....
  • matt said:

    Ah well... it'll make up for when we can no longer leave the country :)

    Transport Secretary announces new flights between Cornwall and Heathrow

    What happens when a fed up Cornwall votes for Mebyon Kernow?
    Insolvency.
    An Open Skies agreement between Swindon and St Ives is probably just about within HMG's competence.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    If/when US gambling laws are liberalised, Bet365 should become an absolute powerhouse there.
    Right now they're a bit of a nonsense, the Daily Fantasy market, which is definitely not gambling, is huge there.

    Skill based Pulpstar, skil based. Wink.
    Actually all gambling is skill based in the long run. The biggest skill is not participating in 99+% of markets - most of the big betting companies really know their stuff on football for instance; being able to beat them is difficult (And literally impossible in the long run on say roulette or a FOBT). Another is always going for top price.
    The only winning move is not to play.

    Thanks, WOPR.
    No, that's not true in every case. Most people simply must VASTLY overestimate how good they are at gambling though, or Bet365 wouldn't make such gigantic profits.
    Morning ladies and gentlemen.
    Surely for many people an occasional, or even daily small flutter on horses, dogs, football or even politics is harmless fun, equivalent to stopping on the way home for a pint or having a glass of wine. If they win, that is a bonus; if they lose, well they have spent a cheerful half hour or so with others of a same mind discussing chances.
    Like other activities, it is only when it becomes solitary, or otherwise obsessive that trouble arises.
    Online betting is like having a pub or an offie on tap in your house. sounds like fun, but it's a terrible temption for addiction.
    Exactly; like porn. When one had to go out to a newsagents where one wasn’t known and buy magazines that were subsequently placed in a brown envelope is was one thing. When one could have a computer in the house and access became private, the ‘industry” mushroomed.

    Note: according to a published material
    can anyone explain the economics of making new porn? surely there is enough of all the necessary plot lines/genres to suffice.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362

    Looks like May caved on fishing:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsmhP1fW0AEyVM2.jpg

    I am shocked, I tell you. SHOCKED, that our glorious negotiator in chief conceded even more ground in exchange for nothing.

    eh?

    It looks like we gave them almost nothing.
    Says right there that, inter alia, we agree to give EU fishing fleets access to our waters.

    In exchange for which the EU has left the backstop completely unchanged.

    SUCH NEGOTIATING PROWESS. Breathtaking.
    Is it clause 75 you mean?

    It is a world away from equal access, which is what it could say and France and the Netherlands wanted it to say.

    Everyone expects European fishermen to have some access to UK waters.
    No they don't. Tories in Scotland swore that all control would be in hands of Scottish fishermen and said TM had given them assurances of that.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362
    Ramtop said:


    No, it doesn't.
    It says we will establish a new agreement which will contain, amongst other things, specifics on access to waters and fishing shares.
    That's literally all it says.

    Yes, it's just an agreement to try and reach an agreement over fishing. I'm both a leaver and a Scot, and I don't see anything objectionable in that paragraph at all. People are getting worked up over nothing.

    The agreement could well be that EU boats get access to UK waters on the morning of the second Tuesday in any month ending in 'e'.
    Nothing unusual given how many times the Tories have sold Scotland's fishing down the Swanee for sure. Safe to assume you are fat and happy and no connection to fishing industry then.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,878
    Freggles said:


    Bring back the days of buying a game and that's it.

    Glad the rumours of the death of 2nd hand game discs haven't yet come true, at least.

    As a reasonably hardcore PC gamer, I can only agree with this. These days its:
    1. Release game with multiple bugs and charge full price.
    2. Release 'DLC' which is effectively paid for patches to bring the game up to speed over the next 2 years.

    Total cost of a 'new' game has gone from £30-£40 ten years ago to well over £100 if you buy everything on day one. That increase isn't inflation alone.

    I never buy games at release anymore, and when I hear of one I might be interested in playing, I just think 'Oh, that'll interest me to buy in maybe three years time when its all patched and DLCed up'.

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362

    Looks like May caved on fishing:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsmhP1fW0AEyVM2.jpg

    I am shocked, I tell you. SHOCKED, that our glorious negotiator in chief conceded even more ground in exchange for nothing.

    Ball in your court, Ruthie....
    Honestly, who cares about fishing? It's given far more prominence in political debate than its contribution to our GDP deserves. It's a rounding error.
    Another fat and happy one who cares not a jot as "I am allright jack"
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