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  • The rejoin referendum will be free and fair and see rejoin win 80% of the vote.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,504

    The rejoin referendum will be free and fair and see rejoin win 80% of the vote.

    Well, we didn’t get 80% in 1975, but that was free, fair and civilised and we got a good 60%.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,220
    I levelled all my May bets to ensure overall exposure wasn't too high for the midterms. I had a feeling the shit would hit the fan when a deal was very close.
  • Am so glad I uploaded that picture in the thread header.
  • Those figures are a depressing reflection of the breakdown in trust in democracy as a system. The facts of the referendum are surely part of it - the dodgy returns, the Electoral Commission fines, the bus slogans, the overdone Project Fear etc - but I suspect that the greater part of it is simply "my side lost so it's not fair", which is the argument of the two-year old. Social media, and self-selecting news-streams are not helping matters.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,148
    edited November 2018
    Fake News about Fake News about Fake News....head spins...

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/charliewarzel/acosta-video-trump-cnn-aide-sarah-sanders

    Wait until Deep Fakes get just that bit better.
  • "Ministers could resign over Brexit [but won't]" is a headline which could have been written at any time in the last five years (or last fifty years, with only minor tweaks). Dog snarls at man.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,042

    The rejoin referendum will be free and fair and see rejoin win 80% of the vote.

    If the offer includes joining the Euro and Schengen, I might just vote in favour.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited November 2018
    FTPT

    NB on Beto - he has already received something like 1 million individual donations from around the country (for his fight with Cruz). The base are already invested in him.


    Could this man be the next President of the United States?
    image
    I have taken 100/1 on Betfair. 80/1 at Skybet.

    I await Roger's verdict.

    He has to get past Warren first.
    Warren is doomed after the DNA stunt.
    The DNA thing played very differently amongst the base than it did amongst the right and the media.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,148
    edited November 2018
    Alistair said:

    FTPT

    NB on Beto - he has already received something like 1 million individual donations from around the country (for his fight with Cruz). The base are already invested in him.


    Could this man be the next President of the United States?
    image
    I have taken 100/1 on Betfair. 80/1 at Skybet.

    I await Roger's verdict.

    He has to get past Warren first.
    Warren is doomed after the DNA stunt.
    The DNA thing played very differently amongst the base than it did amongst the right and the media.
    Can somebody explain how we got to the stage where she felt the need to take a DNA test like somebody on Jeremy Kyle? I know Trump was calling her names, but I presume there was more to it.
  • As I have said regularly, the stab in the back myths are piling up.

    This country is going to be an increasingly miserable place to live in for the foreseeable future.
  • Frankly the whole episode is deeply depressing. No matter where we go from here a good part of the electorate are going to be disappointed, even angry, for a long time to come
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677

    That's like cautionary advert showing the before and after effects of krokodil.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,504

    Frankly the whole episode is deeply depressing. No matter where we go from here a good part of the electorate are going to be disappointed, even angry, for a long time to come

    Agree. It’s got all the makings of a deep national divide, with a lot of mutual dislike and hostility.
  • This is awesome.

    Hogan Lovells has suspended a partner after he was caught using his work computer to look at porn.

    The partner, who works in Hogan Lovell's London office, did not fall foul of his IT department. Instead he was dobbed in by a lawyer working for another firm across the street.

    On Monday morning a lawyer with Irwin Mitchell, whose London office is separated from Hogan Lovells by a narrow lane, looked out of their window and straight into the partner's office. Sources told RollOnFriday that the Irwin Mitchell lawyer was shocked to see the Hogan Lovells partner watching porn at his desk, with his back to the window.

    The IM lawyer filmed the absorbed partner on a mobile phone, sources told RollOnFriday, and sent the footage to Hogan Lovells lawyers. It then made its way to the firm's HR. The partner has now been suspended.


    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-hogan-lovells-partner-suspended-after-rival-lawyer-films-him-watching-porn
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,220

    "Ministers could resign over Brexit [but won't]" is a headline which could have been written at any time in the last five years (or last fifty years, with only minor tweaks). Dog snarls at man.
    It's not the ministers that are the main concern here. It's the DUP's supply of votes for key gov't measures - they can keep the confidence in the Gov't but not the supply with the FTPA.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,015
    edited November 2018

    Those figures are a depressing reflection of the breakdown in trust in democracy as a system. The facts of the referendum are surely part of it - the dodgy returns, the Electoral Commission fines, the bus slogans, the overdone Project Fear etc - but I suspect that the greater part of it is simply "my side lost so it's not fair", which is the argument of the two-year old. Social media, and self-selecting news-streams are not helping matters.

    I haven't really immersed myself in the People's Vote stuff so may not have experience the full squidgy force of their outrage, but there also seem to be quite a lot of Brexiteers squawking 'my side won, it's not fair that it's not going swimmingly for us'. I'd say the phenomenon of sour, enraged winners (Unionists, Brexiteers, Trumpers) is one of the more striking of the last few years. Perhaps we're in the age of toddler politics in general.
  • This is awesome.

    Hogan Lovells has suspended a partner after he was caught using his work computer to look at porn.

    The partner, who works in Hogan Lovell's London office, did not fall foul of his IT department. Instead he was dobbed in by a lawyer working for another firm across the street.

    On Monday morning a lawyer with Irwin Mitchell, whose London office is separated from Hogan Lovells by a narrow lane, looked out of their window and straight into the partner's office. Sources told RollOnFriday that the Irwin Mitchell lawyer was shocked to see the Hogan Lovells partner watching porn at his desk, with his back to the window.

    The IM lawyer filmed the absorbed partner on a mobile phone, sources told RollOnFriday, and sent the footage to Hogan Lovells lawyers. It then made its way to the firm's HR. The partner has now been suspended.


    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-hogan-lovells-partner-suspended-after-rival-lawyer-films-him-watching-porn

    What a clype!
  • FPT

    The news today that 14 high street shops are closing every day is consistent with the dramatic switch to online shopping.

    My youngest son and his partner have pre paid for their two children to visit Santa at the local farm shop's xmas fayre only to discover the farm shop has gone into administration and they have to join the list of creditors to get their money refunded.

    Many people buy store voucher and gift cards for xmas presents but maybe giving the cash direct is a safer option in this climate
  • The monarchy is a tool of oppression and the Queen sounds like a Southern slave owner here

    https://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/1060870592189136896
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414

    This is awesome.

    Hogan Lovells has suspended a partner after he was caught using his work computer to look at porn.

    The partner, who works in Hogan Lovell's London office, did not fall foul of his IT department. Instead he was dobbed in by a lawyer working for another firm across the street.

    On Monday morning a lawyer with Irwin Mitchell, whose London office is separated from Hogan Lovells by a narrow lane, looked out of their window and straight into the partner's office. Sources told RollOnFriday that the Irwin Mitchell lawyer was shocked to see the Hogan Lovells partner watching porn at his desk, with his back to the window.

    The IM lawyer filmed the absorbed partner on a mobile phone, sources told RollOnFriday, and sent the footage to Hogan Lovells lawyers. It then made its way to the firm's HR. The partner has now been suspended.


    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-hogan-lovells-partner-suspended-after-rival-lawyer-films-him-watching-porn

    Idiot.

    Mind you, a friend of mine who used to work for HMCTS (better not say where) once had to suspend half her staff for sharing dick picks on their work PCs.
  • Those figures are a depressing reflection of the breakdown in trust in democracy as a system. The facts of the referendum are surely part of it - the dodgy returns, the Electoral Commission fines, the bus slogans, the overdone Project Fear etc - but I suspect that the greater part of it is simply "my side lost so it's not fair", which is the argument of the two-year old. Social media, and self-selecting news-streams are not helping matters.

    I haven't really immersed myself in the People's Vote stuff so may not have experience the full squidgy force of their outrage, but there also seem to be quite a lot of Brexiteers squawking 'my side won, it's not fair that it's not going swimmingly for us'. I'd say the phenomenon of sour, enraged winners (Unionists, Brexiteers, Trumpers) is one of the more striking ones of the last few years. Perhaps we're in the age of toddler politics in general.
    The facts point to Trump and the Brexiteers lying much more than their opponents - and both being supported by our enemy, Russia.
    It's not 50:50 fault.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789

    This is awesome.

    Hogan Lovells has suspended a partner after he was caught using his work computer to look at porn.

    The partner, who works in Hogan Lovell's London office, did not fall foul of his IT department. Instead he was dobbed in by a lawyer working for another firm across the street.

    On Monday morning a lawyer with Irwin Mitchell, whose London office is separated from Hogan Lovells by a narrow lane, looked out of their window and straight into the partner's office. Sources told RollOnFriday that the Irwin Mitchell lawyer was shocked to see the Hogan Lovells partner watching porn at his desk, with his back to the window.

    The IM lawyer filmed the absorbed partner on a mobile phone, sources told RollOnFriday, and sent the footage to Hogan Lovells lawyers. It then made its way to the firm's HR. The partner has now been suspended.


    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-hogan-lovells-partner-suspended-after-rival-lawyer-films-him-watching-porn

    HL partner unwise but IM will always be chippy shit-tier ambulance chasers.
  • FPT

    The news today that 14 high street shops are closing every day is consistent with the dramatic switch to online shopping.

    My youngest son and his partner have pre paid for their two children to visit Santa at the local farm shop's xmas fayre only to discover the farm shop has gone into administration and they have to join the list of creditors to get their money refunded.

    Many people buy store voucher and gift cards for xmas presents but maybe giving the cash direct is a safer option in this climate

    One of the reasons I put pretty much everything on a credit card is to stop that happening.

    Don't get the service/item you paid for the credit card company will refund you.

    The clubcard points are also a bonus.
  • As I have said regularly, the stab in the back myths are piling up.

    This country is going to be an increasingly miserable place to live in for the foreseeable future.

    For how long is the future foreseeable?
  • FPT

    The news today that 14 high street shops are closing every day is consistent with the dramatic switch to online shopping.

    My youngest son and his partner have pre paid for their two children to visit Santa at the local farm shop's xmas fayre only to discover the farm shop has gone into administration and they have to join the list of creditors to get their money refunded.

    Many people buy store voucher and gift cards for xmas presents but maybe giving the cash direct is a safer option in this climate

    One of the reasons I put pretty much everything on a credit card is to stop that happening.

    Don't get the service/item you paid for the credit card company will refund you.

    The clubcard points are also a bonus.
    Good point
  • matt said:

    This is awesome.

    Hogan Lovells has suspended a partner after he was caught using his work computer to look at porn.

    The partner, who works in Hogan Lovell's London office, did not fall foul of his IT department. Instead he was dobbed in by a lawyer working for another firm across the street.

    On Monday morning a lawyer with Irwin Mitchell, whose London office is separated from Hogan Lovells by a narrow lane, looked out of their window and straight into the partner's office. Sources told RollOnFriday that the Irwin Mitchell lawyer was shocked to see the Hogan Lovells partner watching porn at his desk, with his back to the window.

    The IM lawyer filmed the absorbed partner on a mobile phone, sources told RollOnFriday, and sent the footage to Hogan Lovells lawyers. It then made its way to the firm's HR. The partner has now been suspended.


    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-hogan-lovells-partner-suspended-after-rival-lawyer-films-him-watching-porn

    HL partner unwise but IM will always be chippy shit-tier ambulance chasers.
    Irwin Mitchell do some decent work for the banking and financial services industry.

    Slaughter and May are my first choice, I loved writing emails/messages asking for S&M.
  • My view is that the more Arron Banks appears on the telly the more people will say the referendum was illegitimate.
  • As I have said regularly, the stab in the back myths are piling up.

    This country is going to be an increasingly miserable place to live in for the foreseeable future.

    For how long is the future foreseeable?
    Britain is heading for a Brexit deal which half the country despises as being a betrayal of Brexit and the other half despises as being the execution of an unfair and illegitimate vote.

    On this particular one, foreseeable is therefore a fairly lengthy period.
  • Those figures are a depressing reflection of the breakdown in trust in democracy as a system. The facts of the referendum are surely part of it - the dodgy returns, the Electoral Commission fines, the bus slogans, the overdone Project Fear etc - but I suspect that the greater part of it is simply "my side lost so it's not fair", which is the argument of the two-year old. Social media, and self-selecting news-streams are not helping matters.

    I haven't really immersed myself in the People's Vote stuff so may not have experience the full squidgy force of their outrage, but there also seem to be quite a lot of Brexiteers squawking 'my side won, it's not fair that it's not going swimmingly for us'. I'd say the phenomenon of sour, enraged winners (Unionists, Brexiteers, Trumpers) is one of the more striking ones of the last few years. Perhaps we're in the age of toddler politics in general.
    The facts point to Trump and the Brexiteers lying much more than their opponents - and both being supported by our enemy, Russia.
    It's not 50:50 fault.
    I wouldn't dispute that, I just find it noteworthy that 'winners' don't seem even slightly soothed by a win (fair or foul).
  • My view is that the more Arron Banks appears on the telly the more people will say the referendum was illegitimate.

    Seems the Beeb are happy to oblige you!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,296

    Alistair said:

    FTPT

    NB on Beto - he has already received something like 1 million individual donations from around the country (for his fight with Cruz). The base are already invested in him.


    Could this man be the next President of the United States?
    image
    I have taken 100/1 on Betfair. 80/1 at Skybet.

    I await Roger's verdict.

    He has to get past Warren first.
    Warren is doomed after the DNA stunt.
    The DNA thing played very differently amongst the base than it did amongst the right and the media.
    Can somebody explain how we got to the stage where she felt the need to take a DNA test like somebody on Jeremy Kyle? I know Trump was calling her names, but I presume there was more to it.
    The strategy was to bury the story long before the primaries. Though she appears to have botched the execution, the plan itself wasn't stupid.

    In any event O'Rourke has to get past rather more competition than Warren (though it's true they would be competing for a similar part of the Democratic base).
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    matt said:

    This is awesome.

    Hogan Lovells has suspended a partner after he was caught using his work computer to look at porn.

    The partner, who works in Hogan Lovell's London office, did not fall foul of his IT department. Instead he was dobbed in by a lawyer working for another firm across the street.

    On Monday morning a lawyer with Irwin Mitchell, whose London office is separated from Hogan Lovells by a narrow lane, looked out of their window and straight into the partner's office. Sources told RollOnFriday that the Irwin Mitchell lawyer was shocked to see the Hogan Lovells partner watching porn at his desk, with his back to the window.

    The IM lawyer filmed the absorbed partner on a mobile phone, sources told RollOnFriday, and sent the footage to Hogan Lovells lawyers. It then made its way to the firm's HR. The partner has now been suspended.


    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-hogan-lovells-partner-suspended-after-rival-lawyer-films-him-watching-porn

    HL partner unwise but IM will always be chippy shit-tier ambulance chasers.
    Irwin Mitchell do some decent work for the banking and financial services industry.

    Slaughter and May are my first choice, I loved writing emails/messages asking for S&M.
    When I worked for them I used to get fed up with people like you. :)
  • Dura_Ace said:


    That's like cautionary advert showing the before and after effects of krokodil.
    Which one's before, which one's after?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,220

    As I have said regularly, the stab in the back myths are piling up.

    This country is going to be an increasingly miserable place to live in for the foreseeable future.

    For how long is the future foreseeable?
    Britain is heading for a Brexit deal which half the country despises as being a betrayal of Brexit and the other half despises as being the execution of an unfair and illegitimate vote.

    On this particular one, foreseeable is therefore a fairly lengthy period.
    I think Big G, HYUFD and Anazina will support it. Along with myself that makes 4 of us :)
  • glwglw Posts: 9,915

    Fake News about Fake News about Fake News....head spins...

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/charliewarzel/acosta-video-trump-cnn-aide-sarah-sanders

    Wait until Deep Fakes get just that bit better.

    During the presidential campaing when the Democrats started bemoaning "fake news" from the likes of Breitbart, and rightly so, I said that the danger was that the GOP would turn that argument back on to the Democrats. Trump has done so extremely effectively and far more broadly, as he mainly applies the term to things that are true, such as reports in papers like the New York Times of things Trump has said in public.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,296
    Dura_Ace said:


    That's like cautionary advert showing the before and after effects of krokodil.
    But which is which ?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,220
    Nigelb said:


    The strategy was to bury the story long before the primaries. Though she appears to have botched the execution, the plan itself wasn't stupid.

    In any event O'Rourke has to get past rather more competition than Warren (though it's true they would be competing for a similar part of the Democratic base).

    Mark Dice and other right wing pundits have had good fun with it all.
  • My view is that the more Arron Banks appears on the telly the more people will say the referendum was illegitimate.

    Except if the police find no case to answer. Then the Electoral Commission would be under examination.
  • As it happens, I have been in the position of the Irwin Mitchell lawyer. About 7 years ago the office next to my flat had - as it still has - lots of desks for nerds looking to become the next unicorn. One particular company which has since gone onto greater things worked from that office for a while. As is the wont of such companies, they often worked well into the night. This, frankly, could be a pain because they left lights on without pulling down the blinds and such like.

    One evening, around 10pm, my other half looked out of the window to see the co-founder alone in the office, ahem, engrossed in his screen. The window sill was mercifully high but there could be no doubt what he was doing.

    The conversation the next day was an interesting one.
  • F1: off now, but first practice starts at 1pm. I think final practice finishes at 3pm tomorrow, so the pre-qualifying blog will be up in the afternoon. Both qualifying and the race start around 5pm. Current forecast is overcast but dry.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,296
    Pulpstar said:

    Nigelb said:


    The strategy was to bury the story long before the primaries. Though she appears to have botched the execution, the plan itself wasn't stupid.

    In any event O'Rourke has to get past rather more competition than Warren (though it's true they would be competing for a similar part of the Democratic base).

    Mark Dice and other right wing pundits have had good fun with it all.
    Better now than in 2020.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Feel the democracy. Calling the USA a banana republic is really an insult to banana republics at this point.

    https://twitter.com/stevebousquet/status/1060583706774171648

  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    As I have said regularly, the stab in the back myths are piling up.

    This country is going to be an increasingly miserable place to live in for the foreseeable future.

    For how long is the future foreseeable?
    Britain is heading for a Brexit deal which half the country despises as being a betrayal of Brexit and the other half despises as being the execution of an unfair and illegitimate vote.

    On this particular one, foreseeable is therefore a fairly lengthy period.

    The referendum vote was not called illegitimately and it is hyperbolic to say so. Whether it was wise is quite another matter.

    What is a real issue is whether the campaign on the Leave side broke laws and was funded illegitimately or otherwise behaved in a way which calls into question the fairness of the vote. I am seriously bothered by suggestions that there might well have been serious jiggery pokery on that front. And that alone should make us question whether we should proceed on the basis of a vote which may have been illegitimately obtained.

    Regardless of that I would now like a vote on whether to proceed since, as @BeverleyC put it yesterday, we now know what we are likely to be facing, in a way that we didn't back in 2016. I would like my chance to vote on whether we should proceed with Brexit or Remain. And I would like this chance before we leave.

    However, this seems unlikely. Alas.

    If we do leave, I am not at all sure - for reasons which I may explore in a header if I have time - that we will quickly rejoin. But it may be sensible to stay close to the EU to give us that option should that be the country's choice. I suspect that it will take a long time for the country to make that choice and to do it in a way which will give the UK the best chance of making a success of membership the next time. And that's without taking into account the EU's views and events, generally.

  • Cyclefree said:

    As I have said regularly, the stab in the back myths are piling up.

    This country is going to be an increasingly miserable place to live in for the foreseeable future.

    For how long is the future foreseeable?
    Britain is heading for a Brexit deal which half the country despises as being a betrayal of Brexit and the other half despises as being the execution of an unfair and illegitimate vote.

    On this particular one, foreseeable is therefore a fairly lengthy period.

    The referendum vote was not called illegitimately and it is hyperbolic to say so. Whether it was wise is quite another matter.

    I quote from the thread header.
  • Those figures are a depressing reflection of the breakdown in trust in democracy as a system. The facts of the referendum are surely part of it - the dodgy returns, the Electoral Commission fines, the bus slogans, the overdone Project Fear etc - but I suspect that the greater part of it is simply "my side lost so it's not fair", which is the argument of the two-year old. Social media, and self-selecting news-streams are not helping matters.

    I haven't really immersed myself in the People's Vote stuff so may not have experience the full squidgy force of their outrage, but there also seem to be quite a lot of Brexiteers squawking 'my side won, it's not fair that it's not going swimmingly for us'. I'd say the phenomenon of sour, enraged winners (Unionists, Brexiteers, Trumpers) is one of the more striking of the last few years. Perhaps we're in the age of toddler politics in general.
    Yes, I'm not seeking to blame one particular side in this. As you say, there have been sour winners just as much as sour losers. Both, I think, stem from an excessive sense of entitlement and a failure to understand the necessary bounds on action and discourse necessary to make the system work.
  • Cyclefree said:

    matt said:

    This is awesome.

    Hogan Lovells has suspended a partner after he was caught using his work computer to look at porn.

    The partner, who works in Hogan Lovell's London office, did not fall foul of his IT department. Instead he was dobbed in by a lawyer working for another firm across the street.

    On Monday morning a lawyer with Irwin Mitchell, whose London office is separated from Hogan Lovells by a narrow lane, looked out of their window and straight into the partner's office. Sources told RollOnFriday that the Irwin Mitchell lawyer was shocked to see the Hogan Lovells partner watching porn at his desk, with his back to the window.

    The IM lawyer filmed the absorbed partner on a mobile phone, sources told RollOnFriday, and sent the footage to Hogan Lovells lawyers. It then made its way to the firm's HR. The partner has now been suspended.


    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-hogan-lovells-partner-suspended-after-rival-lawyer-films-him-watching-porn

    HL partner unwise but IM will always be chippy shit-tier ambulance chasers.
    Irwin Mitchell do some decent work for the banking and financial services industry.

    Slaughter and May are my first choice, I loved writing emails/messages asking for S&M.
    When I worked for them I used to get fed up with people like you. :)
    You would have loved my 'I never anticipated £400 an hour plus vat and disbursements for S&M would hurt this much' gags.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,389

    This is awesome.

    Hogan Lovells has suspended a partner after he was caught using his work computer to look at porn.

    The partner, who works in Hogan Lovell's London office, did not fall foul of his IT department. Instead he was dobbed in by a lawyer working for another firm across the street.

    On Monday morning a lawyer with Irwin Mitchell, whose London office is separated from Hogan Lovells by a narrow lane, looked out of their window and straight into the partner's office. Sources told RollOnFriday that the Irwin Mitchell lawyer was shocked to see the Hogan Lovells partner watching porn at his desk, with his back to the window.

    The IM lawyer filmed the absorbed partner on a mobile phone, sources told RollOnFriday, and sent the footage to Hogan Lovells lawyers. It then made its way to the firm's HR. The partner has now been suspended.


    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-hogan-lovells-partner-suspended-after-rival-lawyer-films-him-watching-porn

    Idiot.

    Mind you, a friend of mine who used to work for HMCTS (better not say where) once had to suspend half her staff for sharing dick picks on their work PCs.
    Idiot indeed, but I don't know why the IM lawyer thought it was any of his business.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pulpstar said:

    Nigelb said:


    The strategy was to bury the story long before the primaries. Though she appears to have botched the execution, the plan itself wasn't stupid.

    In any event O'Rourke has to get past rather more competition than Warren (though it's true they would be competing for a similar part of the Democratic base).

    Mark Dice and other right wing pundits have had good fun with it all.
    But that's the thing, the base Warren is appealing to isn't reading right-wing columnists hot takes in the issue.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,389
    Alistair said:

    Feel the democracy. Calling the USA a banana republic is really an insult to banana republics at this point.

    https://twitter.com/stevebousquet/status/1060583706774171648

    As in 2000, we'll probably never know for certain who won Florida.
  • Pulpstar said:

    "Ministers could resign over Brexit [but won't]" is a headline which could have been written at any time in the last five years (or last fifty years, with only minor tweaks). Dog snarls at man.
    It's not the ministers that are the main concern here. It's the DUP's supply of votes for key gov't measures - they can keep the confidence in the Gov't but not the supply with the FTPA.
    I don't think in practice they can. It will be almost impossible to justify keeping a government in office while denying it power - and in such circumstances, the government might throw in the towel anyway. If the DUP lose confidence in the government to the extent that they start voting against Budgets and Queens Speeches, then Labour would undoubtedly put down a VoNC in the government, which the DUP would find it extremely hard to justify voting against.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    As it happens, I have been in the position of the Irwin Mitchell lawyer. About 7 years ago the office next to my flat had - as it still has - lots of desks for nerds looking to become the next unicorn. One particular company which has since gone onto greater things worked from that office for a while. As is the wont of such companies, they often worked well into the night. This, frankly, could be a pain because they left lights on without pulling down the blinds and such like.

    One evening, around 10pm, my other half looked out of the window to see the co-founder alone in the office, ahem, engrossed in his screen. The window sill was mercifully high but there could be no doubt what he was doing.

    The conversation the next day was an interesting one.

    I was once asked to investigate someone who seemed to be coming in every weekend into the office for no apparent reason. The concern was that he was up to something he didn't want others to see.

    He was. He had a new girlfriend. He shared a flat with others with thin walls and wanted more privacy for his intimate moments with her. So he decided to treat the office as his love nest. Quite what his girlfriend made of this I don't know. We didn't have shag pile carpets in our offices. But we gave him the address of the local Travelodge.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,220
    edited November 2018
    Alistair said:

    Feel the democracy. Calling the USA a banana republic is really an insult to banana republics at this point.

    https://twitter.com/stevebousquet/status/1060583706774171648

    The Democrats in this are completely incompetent (Yes I'm looking at you, Brenda Snipes) and the GOP, actively mendacious. It's utterly beyond parody.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    Cyclefree said:

    matt said:

    This is awesome.

    Hogan Lovells has suspended a partner after he was caught using his work computer to look at porn.

    The partner, who works in Hogan Lovell's London office, did not fall foul of his IT department. Instead he was dobbed in by a lawyer working for another firm across the street.

    On Monday morning a lawyer with Irwin Mitchell, whose London office is separated from Hogan Lovells by a narrow lane, looked out of their window and straight into the partner's office. Sources told RollOnFriday that the Irwin Mitchell lawyer was shocked to see the Hogan Lovells partner watching porn at his desk, with his back to the window.

    The IM lawyer filmed the absorbed partner on a mobile phone, sources told RollOnFriday, and sent the footage to Hogan Lovells lawyers. It then made its way to the firm's HR. The partner has now been suspended.


    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-hogan-lovells-partner-suspended-after-rival-lawyer-films-him-watching-porn

    HL partner unwise but IM will always be chippy shit-tier ambulance chasers.
    Irwin Mitchell do some decent work for the banking and financial services industry.

    Slaughter and May are my first choice, I loved writing emails/messages asking for S&M.
    When I worked for them I used to get fed up with people like you. :)
    You would have loved my 'I never anticipated £400 an hour plus vat and disbursements for S&M would hurt this much' gags.
    Particularly their originality........
  • This is awesome.

    Hogan Lovells has suspended a partner after he was caught using his work computer to look at porn.

    The partner, who works in Hogan Lovell's London office, did not fall foul of his IT department. Instead he was dobbed in by a lawyer working for another firm across the street.

    On Monday morning a lawyer with Irwin Mitchell, whose London office is separated from Hogan Lovells by a narrow lane, looked out of their window and straight into the partner's office. Sources told RollOnFriday that the Irwin Mitchell lawyer was shocked to see the Hogan Lovells partner watching porn at his desk, with his back to the window.

    The IM lawyer filmed the absorbed partner on a mobile phone, sources told RollOnFriday, and sent the footage to Hogan Lovells lawyers. It then made its way to the firm's HR. The partner has now been suspended.


    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-hogan-lovells-partner-suspended-after-rival-lawyer-films-him-watching-porn

    Idiot.

    Mind you, a friend of mine who used to work for HMCTS (better not say where) once had to suspend half her staff for sharing dick picks on their work PCs.
    Without wanting to go into gory details, one of my worst days at work was when I received a complaint from a lady who didn't work for us saying one of our staff had been harassing her after they had dated for a few weeks. If we weren't prepared to sort it out she'd be going to the police.

    He shared dick pics and the like from his work mobile phone.

    I had to go through his mobile phone and catalogue each one.

    Then I found the videos on his phone.

    If it could shock me, you know these were on the extreme end of the scale.

    So I called in the solicitors to take over the case.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    Cyclefree said:

    As I have said regularly, the stab in the back myths are piling up.

    This country is going to be an increasingly miserable place to live in for the foreseeable future.

    For how long is the future foreseeable?
    Britain is heading for a Brexit deal which half the country despises as being a betrayal of Brexit and the other half despises as being the execution of an unfair and illegitimate vote.

    On this particular one, foreseeable is therefore a fairly lengthy period.

    The referendum vote was not called illegitimately and it is hyperbolic to say so. Whether it was wise is quite another matter.

    I quote from the thread header.

    I'm in trouble now, aren't I.......

    :(

    (Mike: sorry.)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,296
    More evidence of Russian influence - the Trump administration embraces Lysenkoism...
    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/11/experts-warn-trump-epa-meddling-scientific-method/575377/
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362

    This is awesome.

    Hogan Lovells has suspended a partner after he was caught using his work computer to look at porn.

    The partner, who works in Hogan Lovell's London office, did not fall foul of his IT department. Instead he was dobbed in by a lawyer working for another firm across the street.

    On Monday morning a lawyer with Irwin Mitchell, whose London office is separated from Hogan Lovells by a narrow lane, looked out of their window and straight into the partner's office. Sources told RollOnFriday that the Irwin Mitchell lawyer was shocked to see the Hogan Lovells partner watching porn at his desk, with his back to the window.

    The IM lawyer filmed the absorbed partner on a mobile phone, sources told RollOnFriday, and sent the footage to Hogan Lovells lawyers. It then made its way to the firm's HR. The partner has now been suspended.


    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-hogan-lovells-partner-suspended-after-rival-lawyer-films-him-watching-porn

    What a clype!
    Rather polite way of putting it TUD. However the supposed partner must be a thicko in the first place and desperate at that.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,726
    The car crash has happened, it seems.
    https://order-order.com/
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,389

    This is awesome.

    Hogan Lovells has suspended a partner after he was caught using his work computer to look at porn.

    The partner, who works in Hogan Lovell's London office, did not fall foul of his IT department. Instead he was dobbed in by a lawyer working for another firm across the street.

    On Monday morning a lawyer with Irwin Mitchell, whose London office is separated from Hogan Lovells by a narrow lane, looked out of their window and straight into the partner's office. Sources told RollOnFriday that the Irwin Mitchell lawyer was shocked to see the Hogan Lovells partner watching porn at his desk, with his back to the window.

    The IM lawyer filmed the absorbed partner on a mobile phone, sources told RollOnFriday, and sent the footage to Hogan Lovells lawyers. It then made its way to the firm's HR. The partner has now been suspended.


    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-hogan-lovells-partner-suspended-after-rival-lawyer-films-him-watching-porn

    Idiot.

    Mind you, a friend of mine who used to work for HMCTS (better not say where) once had to suspend half her staff for sharing dick picks on their work PCs.
    Without wanting to go into gory details, one of my worst days at work was when I received a complaint from a lady who didn't work for us saying one of our staff had been harassing her after they had dated for a few weeks. If we weren't prepared to sort it out she'd be going to the police.

    He shared dick pics and the like from his work mobile phone.

    I had to go through his mobile phone and catalogue each one.

    Then I found the videos on his phone.

    If it could shock me, you know these were on the extreme end of the scale.

    So I called in the solicitors to take over the case.
    Some people have a compulsion to feast with panthers.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,296
    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Feel the democracy. Calling the USA a banana republic is really an insult to banana republics at this point.

    https://twitter.com/stevebousquet/status/1060583706774171648

    The Democrats in this are completely incompetent (Yes I'm looking at you, Brenda Snipes) and the GOP, actively mendacious. It's utterly beyond parody.
    Chances of a statewide recount have to be increasing.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    My view is that the more Arron Banks appears on the telly the more people will say the referendum was illegitimate.

    https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1060867219587022848
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    geoffw said:

    The car crash has happened, it seems.
    https://order-order.com/

    You need more than a link to the front page of the drunk driving bankrupt's website for me to follow it.
  • Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    matt said:

    This is awesome.

    Hogan Lovells has suspended a partner after he was caught using his work computer to look at porn.

    The partner, who works in Hogan Lovell's London office, did not fall foul of his IT department. Instead he was dobbed in by a lawyer working for another firm across the street.

    On Monday morning a lawyer with Irwin Mitchell, whose London office is separated from Hogan Lovells by a narrow lane, looked out of their window and straight into the partner's office. Sources told RollOnFriday that the Irwin Mitchell lawyer was shocked to see the Hogan Lovells partner watching porn at his desk, with his back to the window.

    The IM lawyer filmed the absorbed partner on a mobile phone, sources told RollOnFriday, and sent the footage to Hogan Lovells lawyers. It then made its way to the firm's HR. The partner has now been suspended.


    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-hogan-lovells-partner-suspended-after-rival-lawyer-films-him-watching-porn

    HL partner unwise but IM will always be chippy shit-tier ambulance chasers.
    Irwin Mitchell do some decent work for the banking and financial services industry.

    Slaughter and May are my first choice, I loved writing emails/messages asking for S&M.
    When I worked for them I used to get fed up with people like you. :)
    You would have loved my 'I never anticipated £400 an hour plus vat and disbursements for S&M would hurt this much' gags.
    Particularly their originality........
    Am sorry, you can tell I'm a former public schoolboy can't you?

    One day I'll be able to say the following sentence without giggling.

    '63 Earths can fit in Uranus'
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115

    My view is that the more Arron Banks appears on the telly the more people will say the referendum was illegitimate.

    Agree. He's a bad egg. Dom Cummings and Matthew Elliott knew he was a bad egg and did all they could to keep him away from Vote Leave.
  • Nigelb said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Feel the democracy. Calling the USA a banana republic is really an insult to banana republics at this point.

    https://twitter.com/stevebousquet/status/1060583706774171648

    The Democrats in this are completely incompetent (Yes I'm looking at you, Brenda Snipes) and the GOP, actively mendacious. It's utterly beyond parody.
    Chances of a statewide recount have to be increasing.
    I think it was in Zimbabwe where the opposition joked that they had to win three times. They had to win the vote, they had to win the count and they had to win the declaration.
  • Nigelb said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Feel the democracy. Calling the USA a banana republic is really an insult to banana republics at this point.

    https://twitter.com/stevebousquet/status/1060583706774171648

    The Democrats in this are completely incompetent (Yes I'm looking at you, Brenda Snipes) and the GOP, actively mendacious. It's utterly beyond parody.
    Chances of a statewide recount have to be increasing.
    I think it was in Zimbabwe where the opposition joked that they had to win three times. They had to win the vote, they had to win the count and they had to win the declaration.
    Yes. Shame they forgot that even after all that, they have to win the battle - quite possibly literally - to implement the result. That's the fifth and final necessary phase to a democratic vote.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,389
    Nigelb said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Feel the democracy. Calling the USA a banana republic is really an insult to banana republics at this point.

    https://twitter.com/stevebousquet/status/1060583706774171648

    The Democrats in this are completely incompetent (Yes I'm looking at you, Brenda Snipes) and the GOP, actively mendacious. It's utterly beyond parody.
    Chances of a statewide recount have to be increasing.
    Along with masses of litigation about which votes get counted in the recount.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,220
    I think Broward County might just have enough votes to actually push the senate the other way round. That'll be when the fun really starts.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,389
    edited November 2018
    Rereading Robert Harris's Imperium I was struck by one comment that seems very contemporary:-

    "Maybe that's one reason why the Republic died. It gorged itself on elections."

    The bribery and litigation seem very modern.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Sean_F said:

    Rereading Robert Harris's Imperium I was struck by one comment that seems very contemporary:-

    "Maybe that's one reason why the Republic died. It gorged itself on elections."

    The bribery and litigation seem very modern.

    Yes I've often though they have far too many elections in America, like voting for the chief of the local fire brigade.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,389
    AndyJS said:

    Sean_F said:

    Rereading Robert Harris's Imperium I was struck by one comment that seems very contemporary:-

    "Maybe that's one reason why the Republic died. It gorged itself on elections."

    The bribery and litigation seem very modern.

    Yes I've often though they have far too many elections in America, like voting for the chief of the local fire brigade.
    The Founding Fathers deliberately modelled their Republic on the Roman Republic, and they succeeded in replicating its faults.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,220
    Florida needs a crack squad of election counters from Sunderland :)
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Europe Elects
    @EuropeElects
    1h1 hour ago

    Germany, Forschungsgruppe Wahlen poll:

    CDU/CSU-EPP: 27%
    GRÜNE-G/EFA: 22% (+2)
    AfD-EFDD: 14% (-2)
    SPD-S&D: 14%
    LINKE-LEFT: 9% (-1)
    FDP-ALDE: 9% (+1)

    Field work: 6/11/18 – 8/11/18
    Sample size: 1,200"
  • Pulpstar said:

    Florida needs a crack squad of election counters from Sunderland :)

    America needs to be less partisan in their counts.

    I’ve been to many counts in this country and there’s a real bonhomie at counts.

    Only two incidents I can recall is some BNPers kicking off about having to share a stage with non whites and a Kipper determined to have every rejected ballot accepted.

    It isn’t until you go to counts you realise how many people sign their ballot paper and/or put their address on it.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,220

    Pulpstar said:

    Florida needs a crack squad of election counters from Sunderland :)

    America needs to be less partisan in their counts.

    I’ve been to many counts in this country and there’s a real bonhomie at counts.

    Only two incidents I can recall is some BNPers kicking off about having to share a stage with non whites and a Kipper determined to have every rejected ballot accepted.

    It isn’t until you go to counts you realise how many people sign their ballot paper and/or put their address on it.
    Yes, the count here is always accepted as sacrosanct and there is generally a good feel about it. I was very pleased when I beat the kippers, and relieved I didn't win ;)
  • AndyJS said:

    "Europe Elects
    @EuropeElects
    1h1 hour ago

    Germany, Forschungsgruppe Wahlen poll:

    CDU/CSU-EPP: 27%
    GRÜNE-G/EFA: 22% (+2)
    AfD-EFDD: 14% (-2)
    SPD-S&D: 14%
    LINKE-LEFT: 9% (-1)
    FDP-ALDE: 9% (+1)

    Field work: 6/11/18 – 8/11/18
    Sample size: 1,200"

    Greens opening up a gap in the challengers to CDU. Now 4 also ran parties parties within 5%.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Florida needs a crack squad of election counters from Sunderland :)

    America needs to be less partisan in their counts.

    I’ve been to many counts in this country and there’s a real bonhomie at counts.

    Only two incidents I can recall is some BNPers kicking off about having to share a stage with non whites and a Kipper determined to have every rejected ballot accepted.

    It isn’t until you go to counts you realise how many people sign their ballot paper and/or put their address on it.
    I've always suspected that the US is full of partisan counts.
  • AndyJS said:

    "Europe Elects
    @EuropeElects
    1h1 hour ago

    Germany, Forschungsgruppe Wahlen poll:

    CDU/CSU-EPP: 27%
    GRÜNE-G/EFA: 22% (+2)
    AfD-EFDD: 14% (-2)
    SPD-S&D: 14%
    LINKE-LEFT: 9% (-1)
    FDP-ALDE: 9% (+1)

    Field work: 6/11/18 – 8/11/18
    Sample size: 1,200"

    The SPD at 14%. That is pretty terrifying for them. They look as though they may well have been decisively eclipsed by the Greens now.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited November 2018

    AndyJS said:

    "Europe Elects
    @EuropeElects
    1h1 hour ago

    Germany, Forschungsgruppe Wahlen poll:

    CDU/CSU-EPP: 27%
    GRÜNE-G/EFA: 22% (+2)
    AfD-EFDD: 14% (-2)
    SPD-S&D: 14%
    LINKE-LEFT: 9% (-1)
    FDP-ALDE: 9% (+1)

    Field work: 6/11/18 – 8/11/18
    Sample size: 1,200"

    The SPD at 14%. That is pretty terrifying for them. They look as though they may well have been decisively eclipsed by the Greens now.
    I'm expecting 13 column-yards of articles about the new wave of international leftism sweeping the Continent anytime now.

    Waiting. Waiting... here we go. Oh, my mistake. We got 7 interviews with a far right leader framed about how we should hear all sides of the debate and reach out to racists instead.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,220
    In Germany the left looked to have turned left.
  • Alistair said:

    AndyJS said:

    "Europe Elects
    @EuropeElects
    1h1 hour ago

    Germany, Forschungsgruppe Wahlen poll:

    CDU/CSU-EPP: 27%
    GRÜNE-G/EFA: 22% (+2)
    AfD-EFDD: 14% (-2)
    SPD-S&D: 14%
    LINKE-LEFT: 9% (-1)
    FDP-ALDE: 9% (+1)

    Field work: 6/11/18 – 8/11/18
    Sample size: 1,200"

    The SPD at 14%. That is pretty terrifying for them. They look as though they may well have been decisively eclipsed by the Greens now.
    I'm expecting 13 column-yards of articles about the new wave of international leftism sweeping the Continent anytime now.

    Waiting. Waiting... here we go. Oh, my mistake. We got 7 interviews with a far right leader framed about how we should hear all sides of the debate and reach out to racists instead.
    The story is more one of fragmentation. The internet has made it much easier for communities of like-minded voters to find each other.

    You see it here too. SNP supporters, Brexiters, Remoaners, Corbynites, trans activists, 50-something women aggrieved about losing their pensions and Liberal Democrats can now each immerse themselves in an online world of their own, untroubled by alternative views or analyses. That reinforces their beliefs and keeps them further from pungent opposition.

    Only the voting system keeps the two party system going here.
  • Alistair said:

    AndyJS said:

    "Europe Elects
    @EuropeElects
    1h1 hour ago

    Germany, Forschungsgruppe Wahlen poll:

    CDU/CSU-EPP: 27%
    GRÜNE-G/EFA: 22% (+2)
    AfD-EFDD: 14% (-2)
    SPD-S&D: 14%
    LINKE-LEFT: 9% (-1)
    FDP-ALDE: 9% (+1)

    Field work: 6/11/18 – 8/11/18
    Sample size: 1,200"

    The SPD at 14%. That is pretty terrifying for them. They look as though they may well have been decisively eclipsed by the Greens now.
    I'm expecting 13 column-yards of articles about the new wave of international leftism sweeping the Continent anytime now.

    Waiting. Waiting... here we go. Oh, my mistake. We got 7 interviews with a far right leader framed about how we should hear all sides of the debate and reach out to racists instead.
    It's something I'm thinking about writing about tonight. Unfortunately, I don't really have that much of an understanding about the reasons why it's going on (obviously, I can take a guess but it'd only be one based on headline polling figures, elections and instinct; nothing deeper), so it would be more about flagging up the phenomenon rather than interpreting it.

    Any thoughts?
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited November 2018

    Those figures are a depressing reflection of the breakdown in trust in democracy as a system. The facts of the referendum are surely part of it - the dodgy returns, the Electoral Commission fines, the bus slogans, the overdone Project Fear etc - but I suspect that the greater part of it is simply "my side lost so it's not fair", which is the argument of the two-year old. Social media, and self-selecting news-streams are not helping matters.

    I haven't really immersed myself in the People's Vote stuff so may not have experience the full squidgy force of their outrage, but there also seem to be quite a lot of Brexiteers squawking 'my side won, it's not fair that it's not going swimmingly for us'. I'd say the phenomenon of sour, enraged winners (Unionists, Brexiteers, Trumpers) is one of the more striking ones of the last few years. Perhaps we're in the age of toddler politics in general.
    The facts point to Trump and the Brexiteers lying much more than their opponents - and both being supported by our enemy, Russia.
    It's not 50:50 fault.
    I wouldn't dispute that, I just find it noteworthy that 'winners' don't seem even slightly soothed by a win (fair or foul).
    Happy folk don't post about how happy they are. Complainers are motivated; the content not. There's plenty of bile on both sides, but I suspect the country at large is pretty much going about its business and getting on with life. Meanwhile, social media simply amplifies the country's assorted collection of squeaky wheels and fruit loops.

    Ultimately, while I appreciate that ardent Brexiteers aren't particularly happy with May's impression of Inspector Clouseau, but she's likely to deliver something that most voters will accept. Personally, I'd be happy to see a GE or second referendum; as long as our processes are followed, why not?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    I think the referendum was fair and legitimate. Furthermore people voted Leave in good faith for what they saw as the best outcome for the country. The premise behind Leave was an utterly false one however and so those people voted for what is undeliverable.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    The monarchy is a tool of oppression and the Queen sounds like a Southern slave owner here

    https://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/1060870592189136896

    They were “uncertain about the origins” of the tiara Meghan wanted

    That sounds like they know *exactly* what the origins were but are embarrassed to admit it publicly
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    This is awesome.

    Hogan Lovells has suspended a partner after he was caught using his work computer to look at porn.

    The partner, who works in Hogan Lovell's London office, did not fall foul of his IT department. Instead he was dobbed in by a lawyer working for another firm across the street.

    On Monday morning a lawyer with Irwin Mitchell, whose London office is separated from Hogan Lovells by a narrow lane, looked out of their window and straight into the partner's office. Sources told RollOnFriday that the Irwin Mitchell lawyer was shocked to see the Hogan Lovells partner watching porn at his desk, with his back to the window.

    The IM lawyer filmed the absorbed partner on a mobile phone, sources told RollOnFriday, and sent the footage to Hogan Lovells lawyers. It then made its way to the firm's HR. The partner has now been suspended.


    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-hogan-lovells-partner-suspended-after-rival-lawyer-films-him-watching-porn

    Idiot.

    Mind you, a friend of mine who used to work for HMCTS (better not say where) once had to suspend half her staff for sharing dick picks on their work PCs.
    Clearly the HL partner is an idiot

    Am I the only person who’s a little uncomfortable with the behaviour of the IM lawyer?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    matt said:

    This is awesome.

    Hogan Lovells has suspended a partner after he was caught using his work computer to look at porn.

    The partner, who works in Hogan Lovell's London office, did not fall foul of his IT department. Instead he was dobbed in by a lawyer working for another firm across the street.

    On Monday morning a lawyer with Irwin Mitchell, whose London office is separated from Hogan Lovells by a narrow lane, looked out of their window and straight into the partner's office. Sources told RollOnFriday that the Irwin Mitchell lawyer was shocked to see the Hogan Lovells partner watching porn at his desk, with his back to the window.

    The IM lawyer filmed the absorbed partner on a mobile phone, sources told RollOnFriday, and sent the footage to Hogan Lovells lawyers. It then made its way to the firm's HR. The partner has now been suspended.


    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-hogan-lovells-partner-suspended-after-rival-lawyer-films-him-watching-porn

    HL partner unwise but IM will always be chippy shit-tier ambulance chasers.
    Irwin Mitchell do some decent work for the banking and financial services industry.

    Slaughter and May are my first choice, I loved writing emails/messages asking for S&M.
    Covington’s my #1 although i have used Dawsons for private stuff

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414
    Sean_F said:

    AndyJS said:

    Sean_F said:

    Rereading Robert Harris's Imperium I was struck by one comment that seems very contemporary:-

    "Maybe that's one reason why the Republic died. It gorged itself on elections."

    The bribery and litigation seem very modern.

    Yes I've often though they have far too many elections in America, like voting for the chief of the local fire brigade.
    The Founding Fathers deliberately modelled their Republic on the Roman Republic, and they succeeded in replicating its faults.
    Trump as Tiberius Gracchus? Except that he fought bravely in wars obvs.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,746

    AndyJS said:

    "Europe Elects
    @EuropeElects
    1h1 hour ago

    Germany, Forschungsgruppe Wahlen poll:

    CDU/CSU-EPP: 27%
    GRÜNE-G/EFA: 22% (+2)
    AfD-EFDD: 14% (-2)
    SPD-S&D: 14%
    LINKE-LEFT: 9% (-1)
    FDP-ALDE: 9% (+1)

    Field work: 6/11/18 – 8/11/18
    Sample size: 1,200"

    The SPD at 14%. That is pretty terrifying for them. They look as though they may well have been decisively eclipsed by the Greens now.
    It’s ironic that making Joschka Fischer Foreign Minister was once controversial. Now the SPD is reduced to 14% while Schroeder continues to make a fool of himself.

    https://twitter.com/lucian_kim/status/1060587790449164289?s=21
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Pulpstar said:

    Florida needs a crack squad of election counters from Sunderland :)

    America needs to be less partisan in their counts.

    I’ve been to many counts in this country and there’s a real bonhomie at counts.

    Only two incidents I can recall is some BNPers kicking off about having to share a stage with non whites and a Kipper determined to have every rejected ballot accepted.

    It isn’t until you go to counts you realise how many people sign their ballot paper and/or put their address on it.
    I've always suspected that the US is full of partisan counts.
    You need to learn how to spell.
  • Alistair said:

    AndyJS said:

    "Europe Elects
    @EuropeElects
    1h1 hour ago

    Germany, Forschungsgruppe Wahlen poll:

    CDU/CSU-EPP: 27%
    GRÜNE-G/EFA: 22% (+2)
    AfD-EFDD: 14% (-2)
    SPD-S&D: 14%
    LINKE-LEFT: 9% (-1)
    FDP-ALDE: 9% (+1)

    Field work: 6/11/18 – 8/11/18
    Sample size: 1,200"

    The SPD at 14%. That is pretty terrifying for them. They look as though they may well have been decisively eclipsed by the Greens now.
    I'm expecting 13 column-yards of articles about the new wave of international leftism sweeping the Continent anytime now.

    Waiting. Waiting... here we go. Oh, my mistake. We got 7 interviews with a far right leader framed about how we should hear all sides of the debate and reach out to racists instead.
    The story is more one of fragmentation. The internet has made it much easier for communities of like-minded voters to find each other.

    You see it here too. SNP supporters, Brexiters, Remoaners, Corbynites, trans activists, 50-something women aggrieved about losing their pensions and Liberal Democrats can now each immerse themselves in an online world of their own, untroubled by alternative views or analyses. That reinforces their beliefs and keeps them further from pungent opposition.

    Only the voting system keeps the two party system going here.
    The voting system didn't stop a steady march of fragmentation here. What reversed the trend was Brexit which has sharply divided the country into two political sides.

    It's possible that, once Brexit has happened, fragmentation will resume. It depends whether a new settled status quo is established.
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    I wonder how many 100s hours of meeting, focus groups and marketing executives it took to come up with the name?
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    Can someone please remind me, constitutional expert geek* as I am not, what in fact happens if the govt. loses a vote in the HoC.

    *or rather, lacking even a basic understanding of how my country is governed.
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