Plato: the most likely thing, IMHO, is that she's found herself a fella an returned to the real world. Hope so, anyway.
Ha, that's just reminded me one of her buds on here, Financier, some old cove who claimed to have created a system for gaming the roulette tables and that he'd been honey trapped by the KGB (though he saw through their dastardly wiles of course). Hope for her sake it isn't him.
Plato was relatively normal around eight years back. Pretty funny, liked a scrap with Tim etc. She claimed she was an ex Blairite gone Cameroon but there was always a sense of the reactionary about her.
We ended up following one another on Twitter and she gradually disappeared down the Alt Right rabbit hole. I won't judge her on that; the internet has done strange things to otherwise intelligent people. I have friends who variously think the earth is flat, that the govt are spraying chemicals on us, that the Jews run the world.
If you spend too much time seeking confirmation bias and aren't mentally strong enough to listen to and want to understand opposing viewpoints, then the internet is a dangerous place. I fear for what Twitter has done to the political divide. It's indirectly driving people to hate one another, to hate opposition figures and is solidifying people into identity, tribal politics. It won't end well.
As much as I think Trump is a crass, vulgar liability I have to say that Plato - against the 90% grain of other posters on here - was right about him. Early on she saw a winner and actively (very actively) backed a winning horse in the face of ridicule. I wish Trump hadn't won, but Plato was right about him.
She is perhaps a ridiculed, reactionary microcosm of the disenfranchised voter. And Trump rallied an uncomfortable amount of Americans who felt just like her.
The point has been made several times, but despite being very much for Trump, didn't Plato think Clinton would win (the dark forces of elitist liberal meeja shutting down the satanic pizza parlour story etc)?
Yeah, sorry - perhaps I didn't word it well. What I meant was that she was on to something quote early on with Trump, whereas I just thought he was a fecking idiot who no voter should touch with a barge pole.
Other posters are right too. It was her Trump dalliance and growing disdain for the mainstream media that really accelerated her journey into darkness.
She's in the bonkers crowd with me now, throwing half-eaten pieces of fried chicken at Guido's website for being too liberal, sat only in my week-old boxer shorts
I guess we shouldn't ask why she is sat in your week-old boxer shorts?
Not on r4 long wave seemingly - most disappointing ! Missed it a bit on my commute.
Talk Sport bought the rights for all overseas test matches until I think 2020....but BBC still have the home matches. Wasn't ECB decision, was the respective foreign cricket boards.
Oh, I didn't realise it was on Talksport.
TalkSPORT 2, I think.
Ffsake they get the contract to cover the test, which must be the only sport outside of some random Sumo competition going on at 7 - 9 in the morning and then they stick it on the station you can't get via a regular radio. Because talking bollocks about football is clearly more important.
Plato: the most likely thing, IMHO, is that she's found herself a fella an returned to the real world. Hope so, anyway.
Ha, that's just reminded me one of her buds on here, Financier, some old cove who claimed to have created a system for gaming the roulette tables and that he'd been honey trapped by the KGB (though he saw through their dastardly wiles of course). Hope for her sake it isn't him.
Financier was so funny. The name for starters, as if he was some kind of high flyer. He used to stalk Plato and didn't have a scooby what he was talking about when it came to economics.
I'm 41 now so I've stopped going on so many overseas rugby tours. It's bound to have had an effect
I went on the 2001 Lions tour.
I think I was the only one who didn't drink.
Wow! I know someone (the CEO of Pontypool RFC) who went on the NZ Lions tour last year and didn't drink... It's extraordinary to me, someone who was brought up in a boozy culture.
I toured Los Angeles and Las Vegas in 2008, with 68 other blokes and we drank from the moment the coach left our club to the moment I fell back off the coach 12 days later. We did six full nights in Vegas, a place where it's virtually impossible to sleep. I was absolutely broken when I got home,
As much as I think Trump is a crass, vulgar liability I have to say that Plato - against the 90% grain of other posters on here - was right about him. Early on she saw a winner and actively (very actively) backed a winning horse in the face of ridicule. I wish Trump hadn't won, but Plato was right about him.
Plato didn't have the guts to actually say she thought Trump would win though. She equivocated and fence sat and dissembled to an epic level when pushed on the question.
She did definitely think Clinton was a baby eating Satanist though.
Plato thought Trump had only about a 1 in 3 chance, and that Hillary would be president. I asked her about that very point on polling day, when considering betting on Trump at the available odds (where I think 538 has an undue influence).
As well as the alt-right stuff, most of which I doubt she'd actually read, so implausible or obviously false was it, Plato was also keen on the analysis of the Dilbert cartoonist, Scott Adams, who cast everything Trump said or did as part of his brilliant political strategy.
One post of Plato's on twitter or gab I most remember, and far from one of the nuttier conspiracy ones, but one that really hit home was a post about this site.
She referred to the posters on this site as being in their own little bubble. Now the range of views on this site is wide and her sources seemed to be very narrow, so she was either very deluded or genuinely thought that the range from UKIP to Socialist was very narrow from her view point.
One post of Plato's on twitter or gab I most remember, and far from one of the nuttier conspiracy ones, but one that really hit home was a post about this site.
She referred to the posters on this site as being in their own little bubble. Now the range of views on this site is wide and her sources seemed to be very narrow, so she was either very deluded or genuinely thought that the range from UKIP to Socialist was very narrow from her view point.
I think that sort of thinking is merely code for "there's no one that agrees with me".
I'm 41 now so I've stopped going on so many overseas rugby tours. It's bound to have had an effect
I went on the 2001 Lions tour.
I think I was the only one who didn't drink.
Wow! I know someone (the CEO of Pontypool RFC) who went on the NZ Lions tour last year and didn't drink... It's extraordinary to me, someone who was brought up in a boozy culture.
I toured Los Angeles and Las Vegas in 2008, with 68 other blokes and we drank from the moment the coach left our club to the moment I fell back off the coach 12 days later. We did six full nights in Vegas, a place where it's virtually impossible to sleep. I was absolutely broken when I got home,
Apart from being a good Muslim boy, drinking never really appealed to me.
When I was at university a friend of mine got so drunk and ill he rang his mother at 3am asking her to come look after him.
I thought to myself if I ever did that I'd probably put my mother six feet under, plus I was singularly obsessed with getting a first, and I thought drinking would reduce the chances of that.
One post of Plato's on twitter or gab I most remember, and far from one of the nuttier conspiracy ones, but one that really hit home was a post about this site.
She referred to the posters on this site as being in their own little bubble. Now the range of views on this site is wide and her sources seemed to be very narrow, so she was either very deluded or genuinely thought that the range from UKIP to Socialist was very narrow from her view point.
I think that sort of thinking is merely code for "there's no one that agrees with me".
One post of Plato's on twitter or gab I most remember, and far from one of the nuttier conspiracy ones, but one that really hit home was a post about this site.
She referred to the posters on this site as being in their own little bubble. Now the range of views on this site is wide and her sources seemed to be very narrow, so she was either very deluded or genuinely thought that the range from UKIP to Socialist was very narrow from her view point.
I think that sort of thinking is merely code for "there's no one that agrees with me".
Speaking of which: Whatever happened to Tapestry?
Went too far and was smote by OGH.
Mike's fairly tolerant about what is said on PB but he isn't going to risk his pension and his house for someone's wackier conspiracies.
One post of Plato's on twitter or gab I most remember, and far from one of the nuttier conspiracy ones, but one that really hit home was a post about this site.
She referred to the posters on this site as being in their own little bubble. Now the range of views on this site is wide and her sources seemed to be very narrow, so she was either very deluded or genuinely thought that the range from UKIP to Socialist was very narrow from her view point.
I think that sort of thinking is merely code for "there's no one that agrees with me".
One post of Plato's on twitter or gab I most remember, and far from one of the nuttier conspiracy ones, but one that really hit home was a post about this site.
She referred to the posters on this site as being in their own little bubble. Now the range of views on this site is wide and her sources seemed to be very narrow, so she was either very deluded or genuinely thought that the range from UKIP to Socialist was very narrow from her view point.
I think that sort of thinking is merely code for "there's no one that agrees with me".
Miss Plato's Twitter has been inactive since about June. I have tried e-mailing her, but had no reply. Hoping she's alright, but did seem to drop off the radar pretty rapidly.
Morris Plato was probably a 17-yr old's media studies project and now that they are at Uni studying mechanical engineering they have forgotten all about it.
I have met her it was about 12 yrs ago. She isn't 17.. and wasn't then either!.
You *thought* you met her...
Perhaps the cheques from Moscow have stopped.
She was a real right wing Tory, pleasant in conversations and dealings I had with her outside the forum.
Morning Malc!
And what might these "dealings" be that you had with Ms. Plato outside of PB? Anything you'd like to confess?
Not sure she was a Tory as such. She claimed to be a "floater"
Morning Gin, She was in public office at one point I remember , sure it was Tories, and may have been police but she was real. I cannot remember where to find on internet though. We shared an interest in Sherlock Holmes no less , and she was very pleasant with me.
One post of Plato's on twitter or gab I most remember, and far from one of the nuttier conspiracy ones, but one that really hit home was a post about this site.
She referred to the posters on this site as being in their own little bubble. Now the range of views on this site is wide and her sources seemed to be very narrow, so she was either very deluded or genuinely thought that the range from UKIP to Socialist was very narrow from her view point.
I think that sort of thinking is merely code for "there's no one that agrees with me".
Speaking of which: Whatever happened to Tapestry?
Like Plato, Tony Benn used to lament there was no newspaper which reflected his views. It was never made clear how many newspapers Benn thought there should be in order to cover everyone's views.
Plato: the most likely thing, IMHO, is that she's found herself a fella an returned to the real world. Hope so, anyway.
Ha, that's just reminded me one of her buds on here, Financier, some old cove who claimed to have created a system for gaming the roulette tables and that he'd been honey trapped by the KGB (though he saw through their dastardly wiles of course). Hope for her sake it isn't him.
Financier was so funny. The name for starters, as if he was some kind of high flyer. He used to stalk Plato and didn't have a scooby what he was talking about when it came to economics.
That's no bar to being a financier, as Sir Fred the Shred and the Crystal Methodist could attest.
Plato: the most likely thing, IMHO, is that she's found herself a fella an returned to the real world. Hope so, anyway.
Ha, that's just reminded me one of her buds on here, Financier, some old cove who claimed to have created a system for gaming the roulette tables and that he'd been honey trapped by the KGB (though he saw through their dastardly wiles of course). Hope for her sake it isn't him.
Financier was so funny. The name for starters, as if he was some kind of high flyer. He used to stalk Plato and didn't have a scooby what he was talking about when it came to economics.
Could you confirm the deposit - email says 580, contract 1300
I disagree with a lot of that. Yes, there is a small-state bias but Democrats win small states too. be careful about the overall Dem vs Rep figures for the senate for 2018 because of the effect of California having two Democrats and no Republicans on the ballot due to the combined primary system run there.
While it's true that winning the popular vote doesn't necessarily translate to winning the presidency (though it usually does), that's as much down to campaigning strategy as systemic bias. It probably would be better for the US to run the election purely on the popular vote, though that could just introduce a focus on demographic swing votes rather than geographic ones, but all candidates know the system beforehand. No-one forced Hillary to skip Wisconsin in October.
The crucial question though is do voters see the system as illegitimate? if not, then there's not really a problem. Sure, it has its anachronisms but I wouldn't list those two as being anything like the worst (voter access to the ballot, and district Gerrymandering, would take those prizes). It's not like Britain, with its organic and uncodified constitution, House of Lords and government near-control of parliament isn't without its oddities that would peeve a constitutional logical democratic purist. Thing is, it more-or-less works, and that should be the deciding factor.
My key point is that the amount of partisan political involvement in the mechanics of the election process is unhealthy and would be unacceptable in most democracies. It's getting worse.
One post of Plato's on twitter or gab I most remember, and far from one of the nuttier conspiracy ones, but one that really hit home was a post about this site.
She referred to the posters on this site as being in their own little bubble. Now the range of views on this site is wide and her sources seemed to be very narrow, so she was either very deluded or genuinely thought that the range from UKIP to Socialist was very narrow from her view point.
I think that sort of thinking is merely code for "there's no one that agrees with me".
I'm 41 now so I've stopped going on so many overseas rugby tours. It's bound to have had an effect
I went on the 2001 Lions tour.
I think I was the only one who didn't drink.
Wow! I know someone (the CEO of Pontypool RFC) who went on the NZ Lions tour last year and didn't drink... It's extraordinary to me, someone who was brought up in a boozy culture.
I toured Los Angeles and Las Vegas in 2008, with 68 other blokes and we drank from the moment the coach left our club to the moment I fell back off the coach 12 days later. We did six full nights in Vegas, a place where it's virtually impossible to sleep. I was absolutely broken when I got home,
Apart from being a good Muslim boy, drinking never really appealed to me.
When I was at university a friend of mine got so drunk and ill he rang his mother at 3am asking her to come look after him.
I thought to myself if I ever did that I'd probably put my mother six feet under, plus I was singularly obsessed with getting a first, and I thought drinking would reduce the chances of that.
Fair play to you! My old man would've put me six feet under if I didn't drink up and get the next round in!
I still drink over the rugby club most Saturdays, but barely ever in the week. I went to a party in Park Lane recently on a Monday night. Free bar, the lot, and I struggled all week after it. I'm too old and (relatively) sensible now.
One post of Plato's on twitter or gab I most remember, and far from one of the nuttier conspiracy ones, but one that really hit home was a post about this site.
She referred to the posters on this site as being in their own little bubble. Now the range of views on this site is wide and her sources seemed to be very narrow, so she was either very deluded or genuinely thought that the range from UKIP to Socialist was very narrow from her view point.
I think that sort of thinking is merely code for "there's no one that agrees with me".
One post of Plato's on twitter or gab I most remember, and far from one of the nuttier conspiracy ones, but one that really hit home was a post about this site.
She referred to the posters on this site as being in their own little bubble. Now the range of views on this site is wide and her sources seemed to be very narrow, so she was either very deluded or genuinely thought that the range from UKIP to Socialist was very narrow from her view point.
I think that sort of thinking is merely code for "there's no one that agrees with me".
Speaking of which: Whatever happened to Tapestry?
Went too far and was smote by OGH.
Mike's fairly tolerant about what is said on PB but he isn't going to risk his pension and his house for someone's wackier conspiracies.
Speaking of which - anyone seen Hunchman recently?
One post of Plato's on twitter or gab I most remember, and far from one of the nuttier conspiracy ones, but one that really hit home was a post about this site.
She referred to the posters on this site as being in their own little bubble. Now the range of views on this site is wide and her sources seemed to be very narrow, so she was either very deluded or genuinely thought that the range from UKIP to Socialist was very narrow from her view point.
I think that sort of thinking is merely code for "there's no one that agrees with me".
Speaking of which: Whatever happened to Tapestry?
Went too far and was smote by OGH.
Mike's fairly tolerant about what is said on PB but he isn't going to risk his pension and his house for someone's wackier conspiracies.
Speaking of which - anyone seen Hunchman recently?
Popped down Finchley Road and was never seen again?
One post of Plato's on twitter or gab I most remember, and far from one of the nuttier conspiracy ones, but one that really hit home was a post about this site.
She referred to the posters on this site as being in their own little bubble. Now the range of views on this site is wide and her sources seemed to be very narrow, so she was either very deluded or genuinely thought that the range from UKIP to Socialist was very narrow from her view point.
I think that sort of thinking is merely code for "there's no one that agrees with me".
One post of Plato's on twitter or gab I most remember, and far from one of the nuttier conspiracy ones, but one that really hit home was a post about this site.
She referred to the posters on this site as being in their own little bubble. Now the range of views on this site is wide and her sources seemed to be very narrow, so she was either very deluded or genuinely thought that the range from UKIP to Socialist was very narrow from her view point.
I think that sort of thinking is merely code for "there's no one that agrees with me".
Speaking of which: Whatever happened to Tapestry?
Went too far and was smote by OGH.
Mike's fairly tolerant about what is said on PB but he isn't going to risk his pension and his house for someone's wackier conspiracies.
Speaking of which - anyone seen Hunchman recently?
Popped down Finchley Road and was never seen again?
This is a very sweet and thought-provoking ad. Banned for being too political. Daft. twitter.com/IcelandFoods/status/1060774234266484737
Wouldn't be surprised if banning won't have the old Streisand effect. I watched it and wouldn't have seen it otherwise.
It was meant to be a national prime-time TV campaign. I doubt the reach of viral video will exceed that.
FFS Banned for being too political?! How crazy is that. It's a great, thought-provoking advert, particularly welcome when most the other advertising is such shallow consumerist nonsense.
It's not my site and if it was I can be pretty sure PB would be left with only me posting but I do regret some who have been nudged or edged out thinking here about archer101au and isam and of course tim, although I realise that was blue on blue.
I think we can sometimes get a bit comfortable on here and need a strident, unremitting and coherent disrupter.
As much as I think Trump is a crass, vulgar liability I have to say that Plato - against the 90% grain of other posters on here - was right about him. Early on she saw a winner and actively (very actively) backed a winning horse in the face of ridicule. I wish Trump hadn't won, but Plato was right about him.
Plato didn't have the guts to actually say she thought Trump would win though. She equivocated and fence sat and dissembled to an epic level when pushed on the question.
She did definitely think Clinton was a baby eating Satanist though.
Plato thought Trump had only about a 1 in 3 chance, and that Hillary would be president. I asked her about that very point on polling day, when considering betting on Trump at the available odds (where I think 538 has an undue influence)...
Actually, those were pretty close to the odds 538 had on the presidency, too (from memory they had it at 70/30).
Apparently most of the spectators in Sri Lanka are England fans, about 8,000 of them.
Don't any of them have jobs to go to?
When I was in Australia 2006 with them for a test or two, most of them take their entire annual holiday allowance for trips like this.
Bloody work shy shirkers....
After I retired my wife and I did a cricket tour to Sri Lanka with one of the tour firms. Had a wonderful time. 30 or so (I think) lovely people. Saw some good cricket, had some great laughs. Don’t suppose anyone on here was there, but if ...... climbing Sigaraya in the pouring rain?????
No. Ladbrokes offer 5/1 against Harris for top spot and 4/1 Beto for bottom so combining the two which can be regarded as independent events, should pay 29/1 -- and there are better prices out there for Harris, at least.
"We drank from the moment the coach left our club to the moment I fell back off the coach 12 days later "
I salute your indefatigability. When I played for a veterans rugby team we stuck to three days but when we approached home, the order went out … "Right lads, back on solids." On the old coach we used we constructed a funnel at just below waist height which attached to a garden hose and ran out the gap at the bottom of the front door. I remember cruising down the M6 on a sunny day with a cloudless blue sky watching the following cars having to use their wipers.
When I mentioned this to a player from a neighbouring club his response was … "That's a bloody good idea, we make do with a large bucket, but it's a bugger when we have to empty it out the coach window."
Sporting Index have settled some of their turnout and vote share markets.
On turnout, TX settled at 46.2, so my sell at 47 was slightly in profit, but Mike did better! TN settled at 44.7 (I sold at 48). Still waiting for some of the others - I expect a few of them will be long waits.
I have these two left
Utah - Romney(Rep) v Wilson(D)
US Senate Mid-Term Elections (State Turnouts) Sold @ 42.5 Stake: £5 Bet value: suspended Suspended
Bet information Mississippi - Wicker(Rep) v Baria(D)
US Senate Mid-Term Elections (State Turnouts) Sold @ 44 Stake: £15 Bet value: suspended
No. Ladbrokes offer 5/1 against Harris for top spot and 4/1 Beto for bottom so combining the two which can be regarded as independent events, should pay 29/1 -- and there are better prices out there for Harris, at least.
Surely not! There are all sorts of related contingencies - Male/Female, North/South, East/West, White/BAME are just 4 of the obvious potential correlations in VP picks (to "balance the ticket").
FWIW I think the Dems would be best off with Beto as VP, but he may well win the nomination.
No. Ladbrokes offer 5/1 against Harris for top spot and 4/1 Beto for bottom so combining the two which can be regarded as independent events, should pay 29/1 -- and there are better prices out there for Harris, at least.
They're not independent, so the 25/1 is actually a good price.
No. Ladbrokes offer 5/1 against Harris for top spot and 4/1 Beto for bottom so combining the two which can be regarded as independent events, should pay 29/1 -- and there are better prices out there for Harris, at least.
They're not independent, so the 25/1 is actually a good price.
No. Ladbrokes offer 5/1 against Harris for top spot and 4/1 Beto for bottom so combining the two which can be regarded as independent events, should pay 29/1 -- and there are better prices out there for Harris, at least.
Fair point - but the combined bet looks quite attractive. The VP slot would be quite a good option for O'Rourke - and the Democrats (appeals to the liberal wing of the party, but as VP, he won't frighten off the more centrist voters).
Even the week before they were announced, if memory serves, Pence was maybe eight favourite with Kaine maybe fourth or fifth favourite. Not convinced Ryan was favourite either. Palin unheard of.
No. Ladbrokes offer 5/1 against Harris for top spot and 4/1 Beto for bottom so combining the two which can be regarded as independent events, should pay 29/1 -- and there are better prices out there for Harris, at least.
They're not independent, so the 25/1 is actually a good price.
They are more-or-less independent, this far out.
Surely Harris getting top spot boosts the chances of Beto being VP, in that he can't get the top job at that point, and in that she has a stated soft spot for him.
Anyway, this all depends on whether Ladbrokes will let you put on an accumulator!
No. Ladbrokes offer 5/1 against Harris for top spot and 4/1 Beto for bottom so combining the two which can be regarded as independent events, should pay 29/1 -- and there are better prices out there for Harris, at least.
They're not independent, so the 25/1 is actually a good price.
They are more-or-less independent, this far out.
Not at all. If Harris wins the nomination, she is very unlikely to choose another woman, for a start. (She also can't choose herself, which properly needs to be factored in to the calculations as well).
No. Ladbrokes offer 5/1 against Harris for top spot and 4/1 Beto for bottom so combining the two which can be regarded as independent events, should pay 29/1 -- and there are better prices out there for Harris, at least.
They're not independent, so the 25/1 is actually a good price.
They are more-or-less independent, this far out.
The VP is picked by the winning primary person, unless I am mistaken.
So it is dependent on whether you think Harris would pick Beto, if she becomes the top slot.
It's not my site and if it was I can be pretty sure PB would be left with only me posting but I do regret some who have been nudged or edged out thinking here about archer101au and isam and of course tim, although I realise that was blue on blue.
I think we can sometimes get a bit comfortable on here and need a strident, unremitting and coherent disrupter.
No. Ladbrokes offer 5/1 against Harris for top spot and 4/1 Beto for bottom so combining the two which can be regarded as independent events, should pay 29/1 -- and there are better prices out there for Harris, at least.
Surely not! There are all sorts of related contingencies - Male/Female, North/South, East/West, White/BAME are just 4 of the obvious potential correlations in VP picks (to "balance the ticket").
FWIW I think the Dems would be best off with Beto as VP, but he may well win the nomination.
This far out, given the known unknowns, they are best regarded as independent. If the primaries turn into a love-in, or months of abuse as with Trump, then things will change, but for now, they are independent. The only thing we know for sure is the same candidate will not occupy both slots.
NB on Beto - he has already received something like 1 million individual donations from around the country (for his fight with Cruz). The base are already invested in him.
Tottenham have been warned by an advertising watchdog after a promotion which claimed their new stadium would be the "only place in London" to watch Champions League football this season.
The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has sent the club an advice notice and told them to avoid making claims they cannot fulfil.
Spurs have used Wembley as their home, with work on their stadium overrunning.
NB on Beto - he has already received something like 1 million individual donations from around the country (for his fight with Cruz). The base are already invested in him.
Have archer and Isam been banned? If so, a pity, though I must have missed their offences. Archer was nothing if not consistent in his views. Pretty knowledgeable about Brexit too. I understand he needled by commenting from Oz, but did find the constant pointing out of the fact, as if that somehow trumped his argument, rather disappointing. Ditto Isam, who represented a particular strand of thinking I didn't agree with. Off that subject though, he was pretty wide ranging in his posts.
NB on Beto - he has already received something like 1 million individual donations from around the country (for his fight with Cruz). The base are already invested in him.
Tottenham have been warned by an advertising watchdog after a promotion which claimed their new stadium would be the "only place in London" to watch Champions League football this season.
The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has sent the club an advice notice and told them to avoid making claims they cannot fulfil.
Spurs have used Wembley as their home, with work on their stadium overrunning.
NB on Beto - he has already received something like 1 million individual donations from around the country (for his fight with Cruz). The base are already invested in him.
Could this man be the next President of the United States? I have taken 100/1 on Betfair. 80/1 at Skybet.
I await Roger's verdict.
He has to get past Warren first.
Warren is doomed after the DNA stunt.
I missed how it escalated to such a stage where she felt it necessary to take a DNA test. I know Trump was calling her names, but how did it get to Jeremy Kyle-esque level of needing to take a DNA test?
NB on Beto - he has already received something like 1 million individual donations from around the country (for his fight with Cruz). The base are already invested in him.
The news today that 14 high street shops are closing every day is consistent with the dramatic switch to online shopping.
My youngest son and his partner have pre paid for their two children to visit Santa at the local farm shop's xmas fayre only to discover the farm shop has gone into adminstration and they have to join the list of creditors to get their money refunded.
Many people buy store voucher and gift cards for xmas presents but maybe giving the cash direct is a safer option in this climate
NB on Beto - he has already received something like 1 million individual donations from around the country (for his fight with Cruz). The base are already invested in him.
Could this man be the next President of the United States? I have taken 100/1 on Betfair. 80/1 at Skybet.
I await Roger's verdict.
Definitely worth it at those odds. I think funnily enough, a lot depends on Trump with Beto. Were he to run he'd be a, if not the, favourite in a primary. Unlike a lot of past frontrunners he wouldn't have to worry too much about a base insurgency as he's pretty liberal and doesn't have a huge record of legislative compromises to throw against him. He obviously has an incredible fundraising operation and is a media star, as well as perhaps giving the Dems a sniff in Texas - a feat that if they could pull off would pretty much lock the GOP out of the presidency. However, he's young and it's a risk - if you're nominated and lose, you've blown your shot, and with expectations so high, losing the nomination would also dent his reputation. He's also said that (for the moment) he doesn't want to. If Trump's popularity holds up at a non-terminal level he may judge it not worth the risk given the trickiness of ousting one term incumbents - let Kamala Harris or whoever have her shot and be a powerbroker and likely VP pick. If the nominee loses, he's then hot favourite for 2024 when there'll be no incumbent and a likely backlash against the GOP (especially as Trump has rather hollowed out the party by being unique and humiliating many of their hopefuls). If Harris or whover wins then you've stayed out of the fray, not tarnished yourself and can either have another shot at Cruz, be VP and well set for 2028. However, if Trump ends up quite obviously sunk below the waterline, he may judge that this is his shot - he can win the primary and that taking on the general is not too much of a risk - and why wait?
Archer was nothing if not consistent in his views. Pretty knowledgeable about Brexit too. I understand he needled by commenting from Oz, but did find the constant pointing out of the fact, as if that somehow trumped his argument, rather disappointing.
Archer was the single leaver who had an intellectually coherent synthesis of the project. I suspect this greatly discomforted the other leavers who mostly fall into the genuinely dim or plastic patriot categories. Or both in a few notable cases.
Well anything other than a repeat of Bush v Gore is a banana republic then, because the delay in Florida is because of the changes instigated there to avoid a repeat.
Secrecy and failure to release vote counts is the mark of a banana republic. Given that the US releases tallies of votes literally as they are counted, faster than any other country I am aware of, your comparison is bizarre.
The American system is descending into farce because there is far too much partisan political involvement in the whole process. We even see candidates holding the responsibility for actually running the election they are in. The gerrymandering and voter suppression would be seen as totally unacceptable in the K and elsewhere.
In addition you have anachronisms that will never be changed and build a permanent bias into the system.. The 2 senators per state regardless of size gives small rural conservative states disproportionate power. That bias carries on into the electoral college as each state gets 2 EC votes for its senator. The presidency is then determined by EC votes rather than popular votes giving us 2 GOP presidents of late that both lost the popular vote.
The crucial question though is do voters see the system as illegitimate? if not, then there's not really a problem. Sure, it has its anachronisms but I wouldn't list those two as being anything like the worst (voter access to the ballot, and district Gerrymandering, would take those prizes). It's not like Britain, with its organic and uncodified constitution, House of Lords and government near-control of parliament isn't without its oddities that would peeve a constitutional logical democratic purist. Thing is, it more-or-less works, and that should be the deciding factor.
There's a simple fix for Democrats - D.C. and Puerto Rican statehood. Adds two strongly Democratic leaning states that better balances the number of small to medium rural states leaning one way or the other - which currently favours the GOP.
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Because talking bollocks about football is clearly more important.
I toured Los Angeles and Las Vegas in 2008, with 68 other blokes and we drank from the moment the coach left our club to the moment I fell back off the coach 12 days later. We did six full nights in Vegas, a place where it's virtually impossible to sleep. I was absolutely broken when I got home,
As well as the alt-right stuff, most of which I doubt she'd actually read, so implausible or obviously false was it, Plato was also keen on the analysis of the Dilbert cartoonist, Scott Adams, who cast everything Trump said or did as part of his brilliant political strategy.
She referred to the posters on this site as being in their own little bubble. Now the range of views on this site is wide and her sources seemed to be very narrow, so she was either very deluded or genuinely thought that the range from UKIP to Socialist was very narrow from her view point.
Speaking of which: Whatever happened to Tapestry?
When I was at university a friend of mine got so drunk and ill he rang his mother at 3am asking her to come look after him.
I thought to myself if I ever did that I'd probably put my mother six feet under, plus I was singularly obsessed with getting a first, and I thought drinking would reduce the chances of that.
Mike's fairly tolerant about what is said on PB but he isn't going to risk his pension and his house for someone's wackier conspiracies.
While it's true that winning the popular vote doesn't necessarily translate to winning the presidency (though it usually does), that's as much down to campaigning strategy as systemic bias. It probably would be better for the US to run the election purely on the popular vote, though that could just introduce a focus on demographic swing votes rather than geographic ones, but all candidates know the system beforehand. No-one forced Hillary to skip Wisconsin in October.
The crucial question though is do voters see the system as illegitimate? if not, then there's not really a problem. Sure, it has its anachronisms but I wouldn't list those two as being anything like the worst (voter access to the ballot, and district Gerrymandering, would take those prizes). It's not like Britain, with its organic and uncodified constitution, House of Lords and government near-control of parliament isn't without its oddities that would peeve a constitutional logical democratic purist. Thing is, it more-or-less works, and that should be the deciding factor.
My key point is that the amount of partisan political involvement in the mechanics of the election process is unhealthy and would be unacceptable in most democracies. It's getting worse.
I still drink over the rugby club most Saturdays, but barely ever in the week. I went to a party in Park Lane recently on a Monday night. Free bar, the lot, and I struggled all week after it. I'm too old and (relatively) sensible now.
No, someone else who needled him.
FFS Banned for being too political?! How crazy is that. It's a great, thought-provoking advert, particularly welcome when most the other advertising is such shallow consumerist nonsense.
https://twitter.com/IcelandFoods/status/1060774234266484737
I thought there was a note to say he is resisting and resting from commenting on PB
I think we can sometimes get a bit comfortable on here and need a strident, unremitting and coherent disrupter.
Don’t suppose anyone on here was there, but if ...... climbing Sigaraya in the pouring rain?????
Article - https://www.politico.eu/article/poll-irish-border-low-on-list-of-uk-voters-brexit-concerns/
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Not much support for a second referendum.
"We drank from the moment the coach left our club to the moment I fell back off the coach 12 days later "
I salute your indefatigability. When I played for a veterans rugby team we stuck to three days but when we approached home, the order went out … "Right lads, back on solids." On the old coach we used we constructed a funnel at just below waist height which attached to a garden hose and ran out the gap at the bottom of the front door. I remember cruising down the M6 on a sunny day with a cloudless blue sky watching the following cars having to use their wipers.
When I mentioned this to a player from a neighbouring club his response was … "That's a bloody good idea, we make do with a large bucket, but it's a bugger when we have to empty it out the coach window."
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FWIW I think the Dems would be best off with Beto as VP, but he may well win the nomination.
The VP slot would be quite a good option for O'Rourke - and the Democrats (appeals to the liberal wing of the party, but as VP, he won't frighten off the more centrist voters).
So that should be a health warning
Anyway, this all depends on whether Ladbrokes will let you put on an accumulator!
So it is dependent on whether you think Harris would pick Beto, if she becomes the top slot.
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1060856594500599809
Tottenham have been warned by an advertising watchdog after a promotion which claimed their new stadium would be the "only place in London" to watch Champions League football this season.
The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has sent the club an advice notice and told them to avoid making claims they cannot fulfil.
Spurs have used Wembley as their home, with work on their stadium overrunning.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46143481
Archer was nothing if not consistent in his views. Pretty knowledgeable about Brexit too. I understand he needled by commenting from Oz, but did find the constant pointing out of the fact, as if that somehow trumped his argument, rather disappointing.
Ditto Isam, who represented a particular strand of thinking I didn't agree with. Off that subject though, he was pretty wide ranging in his posts.
https://uokhun.uk/2018/11/08/spurs-ordered-to-tear-down-new-ground-as-they-forgot-planning-permission/?fbclid=IwAR1B1j9WJopBQEh_IPDV1inVfdgcEQK4RnAQFPMXAP8BY1BBGOnPBrqmaUM
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My youngest son and his partner have pre paid for their two children to visit Santa at the local farm shop's xmas fayre only to discover the farm shop has gone into adminstration and they have to join the list of creditors to get their money refunded.
Many people buy store voucher and gift cards for xmas presents but maybe giving the cash direct is a safer option in this climate
(I actually know people who talk about moving to Texas because of that - Saddleback Church I think)