I suppose the first world war is slipping far enough into history now that it becomes more acceptable to see things like this that might have been thought distasteful when there were still people alive who experienced the trenches first hand.
It brings to mind things like the civil war re-enactors and similar.
It is bizarre.
Mind you, some of the other poppy stuff is worse, such as the poppy christmas tree:
Poppyism has, regrettably, become a thing. Quiet reflection sacrificed on the altar of ostentatious subscription.
The trend is now that you have to be seen to be mourning/paying respect. This is a bit of a personal bugbear for me. Witnessing the fire crews who went to the Leicester City helicopter crash standing to attention, heads bowed at the scene, days later really stuck in my craw. We don't do that for Joe Public when they get killed in equally tragic circumstances. Maybe I'm just a miserable bastard, but it really irritates me.
I dropped by the King Power the other day. I am not normally a fan of the pop up shrines at the scenes of tragic sudden deaths, but this one got to me. Sure, I have had a few bits of generosity from Vichai, and the best football season of my life, but it really was quite moving seeing the young and old, the rich and the poor, the rough and the posh, all honouring the man.
It was clearly a shocking tragedy for him and the others on the helicopter, and for their families and friends. I can also see he was very much at the 'good' end of the scale of club owners.
But really, this does seem ott to me. "May your greatness live on..." ??
It was in the small things that we saw his greatness. He would put whisky and glassesout each mach in the garden of remembrance before matches, and following the Hinckley rd explosion supported the only survivor of the dead family, and many other unpublicised kindnesses. No doubt he was a rather ruthless businessman, but he was more than that.
I suppose the first world war is slipping far enough into history now that it becomes more acceptable to see things like this that might have been thought distasteful when there were still people alive who experienced the trenches first hand.
It brings to mind things like the civil war re-enactors and similar.
It is bizarre.
Mind you, some of the other poppy stuff is worse, such as the poppy christmas tree:
Poppyism has, regrettably, become a thing. Quiet reflection sacrificed on the altar of ostentatious subscription.
The trend is now that you have to be seen to be mourning/paying respect. This is a bit of a personal bugbear for me. Witnessing the fire crews who went to the Leicester City helicopter crash standing to attention, heads bowed at the scene, days later really stuck in my craw. We don't do that for Joe Public when they get killed in equally tragic circumstances. Maybe I'm just a miserable bastard, but it really irritates me.
I dropped by the King Power the other day. I am not normally a fan of the pop up shrines at the scenes of tragic sudden deaths, but this one got to me. Sure, I have had a few bits of generosity from Vichai, and the best football season of my life, but it really was quite moving seeing the young and old, the rich and the poor, the rough and the posh, all honouring the man.
Who honours the little old lady who dies in their council flat fire? Why does the billionaire business man who dies in a high profile helicopter crash get multiple fire crews lined up at the scene mourning him, but the pensioner barely gets a mention in the Mercury? As I say, I'm probably just a miserable old git, but the "Ooh, look at me paying respect" photos on twitter and facebook wind me up!
As an old un brought up in the 1960s when death was a very private thing and great emphasis was placed on a stiff upper lip and carrying on I find today's extravagant public displays of grief mawkish and artificial. Maybe I'm a miserable old git as well but it seems to me that this had gone too far and should be reined back.
I suppose the first world war is slipping far enough into history now that it becomes more acceptable to see things like this that might have been thought distasteful when there were still people alive who experienced the trenches first hand.
It brings to mind things like the civil war re-enactors and similar.
It is bizarre.
Mind you, some of the other poppy stuff is worse, such as the poppy christmas tree:
Poppyism has, regrettably, become a thing. Quiet reflection sacrificed on the altar of ostentatious subscription.
The trend is now that you have to be seen to be mourning/paying respect. This is a bit of a personal bugbear for me. Witnessing the fire crews who went to the Leicester City helicopter crash standing to attention, heads bowed at the scene, days later really stuck in my craw. We don't do that for Joe Public when they get killed in equally tragic circumstances. Maybe I'm just a miserable bastard, but it really irritates me.
I dropped by the King Power the other day. I am not normally a fan of the pop up shrines at the scenes of tragic sudden deaths, but this one got to me. Sure, I have had a few bits of generosity from Vichai, and the best football season of my life, but it really was quite moving seeing the young and old, the rich and the poor, the rough and the posh, all honouring the man.
Who honours the little old lady who dies in their council flat fire? Why does the billionaire business man who dies in a high profile helicopter crash get multiple fire crews lined up at the scene mourning him, but the pensioner barely gets a mention in the Mercury? As I say, I'm probably just a miserable old git, but the "Ooh, look at me paying respect" photos on twitter and facebook wind me up!
I too have seen a lot of death, disability and tragedy professionally. Some of which will stay with me until I die, much of it unknown and obscure to anyone else other than family.
It is important not to become inured to it though. Public mourning is a collective experience that binds us together as a city and society.
I suppose the first world war is slipping far enough into history now that it becomes more acceptable to see things like this that might have been thought distasteful when there were still people alive who experienced the trenches first hand.
It brings to mind things like the civil war re-enactors and similar.
It is bizarre.
Mind you, some of the other poppy stuff is worse, such as the poppy christmas tree:
Poppyism has, regrettably, become a thing. Quiet reflection sacrificed on the altar of ostentatious subscription.
The trend is now that you have to be seen to be mourning/paying respect. This is a bit of a personal bugbear for me. Witnessing the fire crews who went to the Leicester City helicopter crash standing to attention, heads bowed at the scene, days later really stuck in my craw. We don't do that for Joe Public when they get killed in equally tragic circumstances. Maybe I'm just a miserable bastard, but it really irritates me.
Who honours the little old lady who dies in their council flat fire? Why does the billionaire business man who dies in a high profile helicopter crash get multiple fire crews lined up at the scene mourning him, but the pensioner barely gets a mention in the Mercury? As I say, I'm probably just a miserable old git, but the "Ooh, look at me paying respect" photos on twitter and facebook wind me up!
As an old un brought up in the 1960s when death was a very private thing and great emphasis was placed on a stiff upper lip and carrying on I find today's extravagant public displays of grief mawkish and artificial. Maybe I'm a miserable old git as well but it seems to me that this had gone too far and should be reined back.
I couldn't agree more, I think it should be a private affair if at all possible. The current attitude isn't new of course: the Victorians used to behave in the same way. Charles Dickens, for example, asked that his death should pass as quietly as possible. Everyone ignored his wishes and turned it into a huge occasion.
OT. They have just said Donald Trump is no longer going to trade with Iran but 8 countries have been granted a temporary exemption to continue trading oil.
Are countries now accepting that Trump can decide who can trade with Iran?
If so does that include the UK?
There are some very nasty rules and penalties that apply - being effectively shut out of the banking system might be a bit of a downer as they say.
I suppose the first world war is slipping far enough into history now that it becomes more acceptable to see things like this that might have been thought distasteful when there were still people alive who experienced the trenches first hand.
It brings to mind things like the civil war re-enactors and similar.
It is bizarre.
Mind you, some of the other poppy stuff is worse, such as the poppy christmas tree:
Poppyism has, regrettably, become a thing. Quiet reflection sacrificed on the altar of ostentatious subscription.
The trend is now that you have to be seen to be mourning/paying respect. This is a bit of a personal bugbear for me. Witnessing the fire crews who went to the Leicester City helicopter crash standing to attention, he.
I dropped by the King Power the other day. I am not normally a fan of the pop up shrines at the scenes of tragic sudden deaths, but this one got to me. Sure, I have had a few bits of generosity from Vichai, and the best football season of my life, but it really was quite moving seeing the young and old, the rich and the poor, the rough and the posh, all honouring the man.
Who honours the little old lady who dies in their council flat fire? Why does the billionaire business man who dies in a high profile helicopter crash get multiple fire crews lined up at the scene mourning him, but the pensioner barely gets a mention in the Mercury? As I say, I'm probably just a miserable old git, but the "Ooh, look at me paying respect" photos on twitter and facebook wind me up!
I too have seen a lot of death, disability and tragedy professionally. Some of which will stay with me until I die, much of it unknown and obscure to anyone else other than family.
It is important not to become inured to it though. Public mourning is a collective experience that binds us together as a city and society.
It is difficult to not become inured to it, but thankfully I'm seeing a lot less death than when I first started-although fire deaths are going up-austerity might be over, but we're still paying the price. I just feel disappointed that LFRS chase the headlines and have to be seen to be mourning. The more high profile the incident, the more high profile the mourning has to be.
I suppose the first world war is slipping far enough into history now that it becomes more acceptable to see things like this that might have been thought distasteful when there were still people alive who experienced the trenches first hand.
It brings to mind things like the civil war re-enactors and similar.
It is bizarre.
Mind you, some of the other poppy stuff is worse, such as the poppy christmas tree:
Poppyism has, regrettably, become a thing. Quiet reflection sacrificed on the altar of ostentatious subscription.
The trend is
I dropped by the King Power the other day. I am not normally a fan of the pop up shrines at the scenes of tragic sudden deaths, but this one got to me. Sure, I have had a few bits of generosity from Vichai, and the best football season of my life, but it really was quite moving seeing the young and old, the rich and the poor, the rough and the posh, all honouring the man.
Who honours the little old lady who dies in their council flat fire? Why does the billionaire business man who dies in a high profile helicopter crash get multiple fire crews lined up at the scene mourning him, but the pensioner barely gets a mention in the Mercury? As I say, I'm probably just a miserable old git, but the "Ooh, look at me paying respect" photos on twitter and facebook wind me up!
As an old un brought up in the 1960s when death was a very private thing and great emphasis was placed on a stiff upper lip and carrying on I find today's extravagant public displays of grief mawkish and artificial. Maybe I'm a miserable old git as well but it seems to me that this had gone too far and should be reined back.
Actually we are mere amateurs at ostentatious and morbid grief compared to Victorian England:
I suppose the first world war is slipping far enough into history now that it becomes more acceptable to see things like this that might have been thought distasteful when there were still people alive who experienced the trenches first hand.
It brings to mind things like the civil war re-enactors and similar.
It is bizarre.
Mind you, some of the other poppy stuff is worse, such as the poppy christmas tree:
Who honours the little old lady who dies in their council flat fire? Why does the billionaire business man who dies in a high profile helicopter crash get multiple fire crews lined up at the scene mourning him, but the pensioner barely gets a mention in the Mercury? As I say, I'm probably just a miserable old git, but the "Ooh, look at me paying respect" photos on twitter and facebook wind me up!
As an old un brought up in the 1960s when death was a very private thing and great emphasis was placed on a stiff upper lip and carrying on I find today's extravagant public displays of grief mawkish and artificial. Maybe I'm a miserable old git as well but it seems to me that this had gone too far and should be reined back.
Actually we are mere amateurs at ostentatious and morbid grief compared to Victorian England:
That argument comes down to “I really hate the EU so no matter how damaging it might be I’m willing to ignore the numerous small incremental benefits it offered so that I can continue my irrational hatred.” I get that you hate the EU. Arguing that leaving it has anything to do with the plight of the poor is just a veneer to legitimise your irrational hatred.
Just because you disagree with it doesn't make it irrational.
I feel like that should be stamped on the header for every single thread. There are very few political ideas, in the UK at least (it's a big world, with some far more extreme ideas out there), which are entirely irrational, even the ones which may well be wrong or even, to most, silly. It's laziness and self superiority to so easily dismiss Brexit, or Corbynism, or Thatcherism, as inherently irrational, or to pretend no one rational could support those things. It also doesn't help counteract those ideas, it just makes self pitiers feel better about themselves. I know all, and am never wrong, so anyone disagreeing with me on this point must be insane, it's the only explanation! Certainly it being more complicated than that cannot be true.
We've all done it at some point, but it doesn't make it right.
OT. They have just said Donald Trump is no longer going to trade with Iran but 8 countries have been granted a temporary exemption to continue trading oil.
Are countries now accepting that Trump can decide who can trade with Iran?
OT. They have just said Donald Trump is no longer going to trade with Iran but 8 countries have been granted a temporary exemption to continue trading oil.
Are countries now accepting that Trump can decide who can trade with Iran?
If so does that include the UK?
The payment currency is the issue. My understanding is given a choice between complying with US sanctions and the counter-EU rules, the financial institutions will follow the US legislation every time.
https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1032926581910589440?s=19 Interesting that staying in the single market makes little difference to GDP, no more than 3% lost in every region. No Deal however sees over 5% of GDP lost in all regions bar London (which still loses 3.5%) and 4 regions losing over 10% of GDP with a FTA in between
I get a bit sceptical. We have lost 2% to 2.5% relative in just two years already and in theory nothing has changed yet.
You can probably at least treble that if No Deal
Tory government is good for you, Mr HY. You wanted it.
https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1032926581910589440?s=19 Interesting that staying in the single market makes little difference to GDP, no more than 3% lost in every region. No Deal however sees over 5% of GDP lost in all regions bar London (which still loses 3.5%) and 4 regions losing over 10% of GDP with a FTA in between
I get a bit sceptical. We have lost 2% to 2.5% relative in just two years already and in theory nothing has changed yet.
You can probably at least treble that if No Deal
Tory government is good for you, Mr HY. You wanted it.
I still do but I also voted Remain and want a Deal
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It is important not to become inured to it though. Public mourning is a collective experience that binds us together as a city and society.
https://m.ranker.com/list/victorian-death-and-mourning-customs/lisa-waugh?utm_expid=16418821-422.YCKQfHaMR0ipXC49DMJtsQ.0&utm_referrer=https://www.google.co.uk/
It may well have been WW1 and the Spanish flu that made such mourning obselete for a few generations.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/financial-services/retirement-solutions/funeral-plans/world-war-one-changed-british-mourning/
Frank Whittle
Alan Turing.
Charles Babbage.
Erasmus Darwin.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Charnley
Interesting that having a stiff-upper lip was probably regarded as modern and progressive in the 1950s compared to 100 years earlier.
We've all done it at some point, but it doesn't make it right.
https://twitter.com/meandmybigmouth/status/1058436132206268416
The hearing was suspended last Friday after Mr Assange complained the Spanish translator only understood English, and was not fluent in Australian.
https://news.sky.com/story/ecuador-throws-out-wikileaks-founder-julian-assanges-mistreatment-claim-11540082