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  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    More union benefits bestowed on us from London:
    Westminster scuppers Scottish police pension deal
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/westminster-scuppers-scottish-police-pension-deal-1-3134246

    "However, HM Treasury told Holyrood that whatever additional money it put into the police pensions pot, a comparative sum would have to go to the Westminster department to cover its liability as lender of last resort."

    Do you want a lender of last resort or not?
    It just means as usual we pay twice, robbery is the name not lender of last resort. Does Westminster put twice the amount of funds from English tax away for policeman in England, pray tell.
    Lender of last resort or not? Legal advice on EU, or not? 'Yes' or 'No' will do!

  • Wow! 458 comments to date on SeanT's powerful piece in yesterday's Daily Telegraph.

    Why aren't Dave & Co. shouting about this stuff from the roof tops?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    "A devastating private dossier for SNP ministers has sparked warnings that independence could trigger higher taxes or deeper spending cuts.
    Internal briefing documents, seen by the Scottish Daily Mail, expose the huge risks in Alex Salmond’s flagship policy to put North Sea oil revenues in a savings account for the future."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2451611/Revealed-A-devastating-dossier-financial-realities-Scottish-indepedence.html#ixzz2hIYCAQI9
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,671

    How much did the 18 months of obfuscating over Alex Salmonds missing Trews cost? Surely more than the trousers cost in the first place.

    Whatever else he believes in, it is not open government!

    malcolmg said:

    Thought we had no money, always plenty for the troughers. Not happy with being a multi-millionaire Hague has to get his snout further in the trough. How do these people sleep at night.
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/odd/william-hague-s-800-christmas-card-bill-revealed-1-3133970

    But not quite the £20,000 Eck spent on trying to keep secret he hadn't got any legal advice on the EU, is it?

    Better value than this though

    David Cameron has been ordered to reveal details of the lavish makeover of his Downing Street flat.

    The Prime Minister will have disclose exactly how much he is spending to refurbish the bathroom for his wife Samantha and their three children.

    The couple have spent £30,000 of taxpayers’ money on the revamp of the flat, the maximum allowed, over the last 12 months.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2058418/David-Cameron-ordered-reveal-cost-lavish-Downing-Street-makeover.html#ixzz2hIXrnWAm

    or this one
    The Foreign Office has spent £10,000 on the "essential maintenance" of a stuffed anaconda called Albert.

    The 20ft snake has been hanging in the library of what is now William Hague's department since the 19th Century.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,671

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    More union benefits bestowed on us from London:
    Westminster scuppers Scottish police pension deal
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/westminster-scuppers-scottish-police-pension-deal-1-3134246

    "However, HM Treasury told Holyrood that whatever additional money it put into the police pensions pot, a comparative sum would have to go to the Westminster department to cover its liability as lender of last resort."

    Do you want a lender of last resort or not?
    It just means as usual we pay twice, robbery is the name not lender of last resort. Does Westminster put twice the amount of funds from English tax away for policeman in England, pray tell.
    Lender of last resort or not? Legal advice on EU, or not? 'Yes' or 'No' will do!

    I see you avoided the difficult question when called out. lender of last resort my butt.
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    More union benefits bestowed on us from London:
    Westminster scuppers Scottish police pension deal
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/westminster-scuppers-scottish-police-pension-deal-1-3134246

    "However, HM Treasury told Holyrood that whatever additional money it put into the police pensions pot, a comparative sum would have to go to the Westminster department to cover its liability as lender of last resort."

    Do you want a lender of last resort or not?
    It just means as usual we pay twice, robbery is the name not lender of last resort. Does Westminster put twice the amount of funds from English tax away for policeman in England, pray tell.
    Lender of last resort or not? Legal advice on EU, or not? 'Yes' or 'No' will do!

    You are obsessed with Scottish independence Carlotta - if the Scots go for it, why not just wish them well? I note the scaremongering over EU membership has now been dismissed as complete nonsense. The border patrol boats on the Clyde will be next.
  • Fat_SteveFat_Steve Posts: 361
    tim said:

    Libyan PM kidnapped.
    I guess those people blaming Blair for post war Iraq will be furious with Cameron, or not.

    Not in my case Tim. Because there aren't many thousands of British Soldiers being shot at in Libya.

  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    Jonathan said:

    SEE to raise energy prices by 8.2%!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24465979

    Daylight robbery - smash them.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Bobajob said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    More union benefits bestowed on us from London:
    Westminster scuppers Scottish police pension deal
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/westminster-scuppers-scottish-police-pension-deal-1-3134246

    "However, HM Treasury told Holyrood that whatever additional money it put into the police pensions pot, a comparative sum would have to go to the Westminster department to cover its liability as lender of last resort."

    Do you want a lender of last resort or not?
    It just means as usual we pay twice, robbery is the name not lender of last resort. Does Westminster put twice the amount of funds from English tax away for policeman in England, pray tell.
    Lender of last resort or not? Legal advice on EU, or not? 'Yes' or 'No' will do!

    I note the scaremongering over EU membership has now been dismissed as complete nonsense.
    In 'Wings Over Scotland'? I suggest you read the whole letter from the EU official, not the single sentence WOS highlighted.......

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    More union benefits bestowed on us from London:
    Westminster scuppers Scottish police pension deal
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/westminster-scuppers-scottish-police-pension-deal-1-3134246

    "However, HM Treasury told Holyrood that whatever additional money it put into the police pensions pot, a comparative sum would have to go to the Westminster department to cover its liability as lender of last resort."

    Do you want a lender of last resort or not?
    It just means as usual we pay twice, robbery is the name not lender of last resort. Does Westminster put twice the amount of funds from English tax away for policeman in England, pray tell.
    Lender of last resort or not? Legal advice on EU, or not? 'Yes' or 'No' will do!

    I see you avoided the difficult question when called out. lender of last resort my butt.
    Says the man who doesn't know whether he wants a lender of last resoirt or not! Looks like the usual SNP game re Police Pensions - promising something that is not solely within their gift - then complaining when called out on it.....

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,671

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    More union benefits bestowed on us from London:
    Westminster scuppers Scottish police pension deal
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/westminster-scuppers-scottish-police-pension-deal-1-3134246

    "However, HM Treasury told Holyrood that whatever additional money it put into the police pensions pot, a comparative sum would have to go to the Westminster department to cover its liability as lender of last resort."

    Do you want a lender of last resort or not?
    It just means as usual we pay twice, robbery is the name not lender of last resort. Does Westminster put twice the amount of funds from English tax away for policeman in England, pray tell.
    Lender of last resort or not? Legal advice on EU, or not? 'Yes' or 'No' will do!

    Given the UK are scared to ask the EU the question it makes it even more risible, what are they scared of their lies being laid bare.

    Exclusive - EC Official confirms no legal barrier to continued Scottish EU membership
    http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-news/8152-exclusive-ec-official-confirms-no-legal-barrier-to-continued-scottish-eu-membership
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,671
    Bobajob said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    More union benefits bestowed on us from London:
    Westminster scuppers Scottish police pension deal
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/westminster-scuppers-scottish-police-pension-deal-1-3134246

    "However, HM Treasury told Holyrood that whatever additional money it put into the police pensions pot, a comparative sum would have to go to the Westminster department to cover its liability as lender of last resort."

    Do you want a lender of last resort or not?
    It just means as usual we pay twice, robbery is the name not lender of last resort. Does Westminster put twice the amount of funds from English tax away for policeman in England, pray tell.
    Lender of last resort or not? Legal advice on EU, or not? 'Yes' or 'No' will do!

    You are obsessed with Scottish independence Carlotta - if the Scots go for it, why not just wish them well? I note the scaremongering over EU membership has now been dismissed as complete nonsense. The border patrol boats on the Clyde will be next.
    Bob, Her vitriolic hatred of Scotland drives her viciousness on the subject, she cannot help herself it seems.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Bobajob said:

    Jonathan said:

    SEE to raise energy prices by 8.2%!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24465979

    Daylight robbery - smash them.
    "The latest calculations from the regulator found that the average profit margin made by an energy supplier on an average £1,315 bill is £65."

    Gross profiteering!

    If not 5%, what sort of margin do you think the utility companies should be returning?

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,671

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    More union benefits bestowed on us from London:
    Westminster scuppers Scottish police pension deal
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/westminster-scuppers-scottish-police-pension-deal-1-3134246

    "However, HM Treasury told Holyrood that whatever additional money it put into the police pensions pot, a comparative sum would have to go to the Westminster department to cover its liability as lender of last resort."

    Do you want a lender of last resort or not?
    It just means as usual we pay twice, robbery is the name not lender of last resort. Does Westminster put twice the amount of funds from English tax away for policeman in England, pray tell.
    Lender of last resort or not? Legal advice on EU, or not? 'Yes' or 'No' will do!

    I see you avoided the difficult question when called out. lender of last resort my butt.
    Says the man who doesn't know whether he wants a lender of last resoirt or not! Looks like the usual SNP game re Police Pensions - promising something that is not solely within their gift - then complaining when called out on it.....

    We are well able to pay the pensions of our public service with our tax money , we should not need to deposit double the cash with Westminster. Pray tell us how fair that is and if it is applied in the case of English and Welsh pensions.

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    malcolmg said:

    Bobajob said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    More union benefits bestowed on us from London:
    Westminster scuppers Scottish police pension deal
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/westminster-scuppers-scottish-police-pension-deal-1-3134246

    "However, HM Treasury told Holyrood that whatever additional money it put into the police pensions pot, a comparative sum would have to go to the Westminster department to cover its liability as lender of last resort."

    Do you want a lender of last resort or not?
    It just means as usual we pay twice, robbery is the name not lender of last resort. Does Westminster put twice the amount of funds from English tax away for policeman in England, pray tell.
    Lender of last resort or not? Legal advice on EU, or not? 'Yes' or 'No' will do!

    You are obsessed with Scottish independence Carlotta - if the Scots go for it, why not just wish them well? I note the scaremongering over EU membership has now been dismissed as complete nonsense. The border patrol boats on the Clyde will be next.
    Bob, Her vitriolic hatred of Scotland drives her viciousness on the subject, she cannot help herself it seems.
    I am Scottish - and have an interest in Scotland's future. I most certainly do not hate Scotland.

    malcolmg, in common with many Nats conflates 'whats best for the SNP' with 'whats best for Scotland' - and can't seem to see that Salmond's 'don't scare the horses' campaign runs the severe risk of not delivering what he professes to want - although when pressed on what 'independence' actually involves goes all 'Brave Heart'......Your wooliness is going to lose you your referendum - and name calling does not strengthen your case.....

  • Carlotta,
    Take a chill pill please.
    Regarding lender of last resort, it is clear pocket money and taxation will always be "centralised" under the Tories. With pocket money cuts formalised as soon as Scotland votes NO and believes the Tories will play fair.
    I do however know without oil reserves for the next 50 years the accountancy books down Westminster way will not balance.
    The oil money over the last 40 years, had it flowed to Scotland and not London, would have left London far worse off and despite all that contrived negativity, Healey knew it, as it saved him with the IMF, you know it and it explains why the documents on devolution cannot be released under any circumstances, be it 30 year rule or FOI or that all encompassing "national security issues" excuse.
    On a par with releasing terrorism information, simply just too dangerous for public to know the truth.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    More union benefits bestowed on us from London:
    Westminster scuppers Scottish police pension deal
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/westminster-scuppers-scottish-police-pension-deal-1-3134246

    "However, HM Treasury told Holyrood that whatever additional money it put into the police pensions pot, a comparative sum would have to go to the Westminster department to cover its liability as lender of last resort."

    Do you want a lender of last resort or not?
    It just means as usual we pay twice, robbery is the name not lender of last resort. Does Westminster put twice the amount of funds from English tax away for policeman in England, pray tell.
    Lender of last resort or not? Legal advice on EU, or not? 'Yes' or 'No' will do!

    I see you avoided the difficult question when called out. lender of last resort my butt.
    Says the man who doesn't know whether he wants a lender of last resoirt or not! Looks like the usual SNP game re Police Pensions - promising something that is not solely within their gift - then complaining when called out on it.....

    We are well able to pay the pensions of our public service with our tax money , we should not need to deposit double the cash with Westminster. Pray tell us how fair that is and if it is applied in the case of English and Welsh pensions.
    Because you are making a commitment for the future which you expect the UK government to honour in the event of the Pension fund being insufficient. Or would you rather not have that commitment from the UK government?

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    The oil money over the last 40 years, had it flowed to Scotland and not London, would have left London far worse off

    Don't know about the last 40 years - but the SNP's report on the last 21 says:

    "One of the papers, written by a top economic adviser to the government, explains that Scotland ran a deficit for 20 of the last 21 years – even during the boom years."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2451611/Revealed-A-devastating-dossier-financial-realities-Scottish-indepedence.html#ixzz2hIeLR600
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    The flat and snake will be passed to the next postholder.

    Was it the intention that Alex Salmonds trousers become the regalia of office of the next first minister? How will they find a man of the same calibre!?!
    malcolmg said:

    How much did the 18 months of obfuscating over Alex Salmonds missing Trews cost? Surely more than the trousers cost in the first place.

    Whatever else he believes in, it is not open government!

    malcolmg said:

    Thought we had no money, always plenty for the troughers. Not happy with being a multi-millionaire Hague has to get his snout further in the trough. How do these people sleep at night.
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/odd/william-hague-s-800-christmas-card-bill-revealed-1-3133970

    But not quite the £20,000 Eck spent on trying to keep secret he hadn't got any legal advice on the EU, is it?

    Better value than this though

    David Cameron has been ordered to reveal details of the lavish makeover of his Downing Street flat.

    The Prime Minister will have disclose exactly how much he is spending to refurbish the bathroom for his wife Samantha and their three children.

    The couple have spent £30,000 of taxpayers’ money on the revamp of the flat, the maximum allowed, over the last 12 months.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2058418/David-Cameron-ordered-reveal-cost-lavish-Downing-Street-makeover.html#ixzz2hIXrnWAm

    or this one
    The Foreign Office has spent £10,000 on the "essential maintenance" of a stuffed anaconda called Albert.

    The 20ft snake has been hanging in the library of what is now William Hague's department since the 19th Century.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,671

    malcolmg said:

    Bobajob said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    More union benefits bestowed on us from London:


    malcolmg, in common with many Nats conflates 'whats best for the SNP' with 'whats best for Scotland' - and can't seem to see that Salmond's 'don't scare the horses' campaign runs the severe risk of not delivering what he professes to want - although when pressed on what 'independence' actually involves goes all 'Brave Heart'......Your wooliness is going to lose you your referendum - and name calling does not strengthen your case.....

    Your obsession blinds you , I am only in favour of the SNP due to them being for Scotland whilst the other parties are there only for themselves.
    If you had any interest in Scotland you would deride the stupid and pathetic claims that Westminster make regarding Scotland. However no matter what they say you just parrot them and deride the SNP. SNP whilst far from perfect are making a much better job of running Scotland than Labour or Tories ever did , living here I can see that , you obviously just read the propaganda. How can anyone agree with the Bitter Together campaign supported by the Westminster troughers , that Scotland alone is the only country who could not be trusted to run their own affairs. They can only parrot that we will be poor , they will take away all our jobs , our currency , our pensions , have borders , etc etc.
    That is a sham and they will be found out. The truth is that it will be a struggle either way , but better to be making your own decisions rather than having someone 400 miles away who does not care a jot about you doing it for you. Only a cretin would challenge that. Anyone with more than two brain cells should know that Westminster will only and should only make decisions based on London and SE England or they are out, hence the negligence of Scotland and many other parts of England. Scotland has a chance to take their destiny into their own hands and if they don't they are fools.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,671

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    More union benefits bestowed on us from London:
    Westminster scuppers Scottish police pension deal
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/westminster-scuppers-scottish-police-pension-deal-1-3134246

    "However, HM Treasury told Holyrood that whatever additional money it put into the police pensions pot, a comparative sum would have to go to the Westminster department to cover its liability as lender of last resort."

    Do you want a lender of last resort or not?
    It just means as usual we pay twice, robbery is the name not lender of last resort. Does Westminster put twice the amount of funds from English tax away for policeman in England, pray tell.
    Lender of last resort or not? Legal advice on EU, or not? 'Yes' or 'No' will do!

    I see you avoided the difficult question when called out. lender of last resort my butt.
    Says the man who doesn't know whether he wants a lender of last resoirt or not! Looks like the usual SNP game re Police Pensions - promising something that is not solely within their gift - then complaining when called out on it.....

    We are well able to pay the pensions of our public service with our tax money , we should not need to deposit double the cash with Westminster. Pray tell us how fair that is and if it is applied in the case of English and Welsh pensions.
    Because you are making a commitment for the future which you expect the UK government to honour in the event of the Pension fund being insufficient. Or would you rather not have that commitment from the UK government?

    I will repeat again , it is paid out of Scottish tax revenue we do not need a lender of last resort, do they insist on double funds for English and welsh pensions, try answering the question
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,671

    The flat and snake will be passed to the next postholder.

    Was it the intention that Alex Salmonds trousers become the regalia of office of the next first minister? How will they find a man of the same calibre!?!




    Better value than this though

    David Cameron has been ordered to reveal details of the lavish makeover of his Downing Street flat.

    The Prime Minister will have disclose exactly how much he is spending to refurbish the bathroom for his wife Samantha and their three children.

    The couple have spent £30,000 of taxpayers’ money on the revamp of the flat, the maximum allowed, over the last 12 months.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2058418/David-Cameron-ordered-reveal-cost-lavish-Downing-Street-makeover.html#ixzz2hIXrnWAm

    or this one
    The Foreign Office has spent £10,000 on the "essential maintenance" of a stuffed anaconda called Albert.

    The 20ft snake has been hanging in the library of what is now William Hague's department since the 19th Century.




    They will be better value for sure , hard to get any use from a stuffed snake.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,671

    The oil money over the last 40 years, had it flowed to Scotland and not London, would have left London far worse off

    Don't know about the last 40 years - but the SNP's report on the last 21 says:

    "One of the papers, written by a top economic adviser to the government, explains that Scotland ran a deficit for 20 of the last 21 years – even during the boom years."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2451611/Revealed-A-devastating-dossier-financial-realities-Scottish-indepedence.html#ixzz2hIeLR600
    Funnily enough they were just saying on the radio this morning that if Scotland had had its own oil it would have paid off all its debts in the 80's and been debt free today with a healthy oil fund like Norway.

    Also just listening to Badger stuttering on how OIL is a curse and that Scotland could never be trusted to know how to be able to spend the money .........LOL.
    If he gets anything other than the easiest of questions his lies are obvious and his stuttering gets worse and worse. We can only hope Salmond debates with him , it will be a massacre.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    Thanks Ed,maybe he can also conform how much economic growth he is prepared to sacrifice if he is ever elected PM.


    'Yesterday Guido dug out Miliband’s interview where he admitted his green policies would force up energy bills, and that he would sacrifice economic growth if it meant he could try to stop climate change. Well it doesn’t end there. Back when he was Energy Secretary, the Labour leader gave the LSE Ralph Miliband lecture. On November 19th 2009, he explicitly confirmed that his policies would see energy bills rise:

    “It needs a willingness to take the argument to people about the tough choices involved in tackling climate change. This is the starting point: a willingness to engage with people on, for example, the fact that to deal with the problem of climate change, energy bills are likely to rise.”

    That same month Miliband told parliament:

    “We need to be candid about the issue because it is a very big challenge. The pressures on energy prices will be upwards in the coming decade’”

    Most damning of all, in January 2010:

    “Yes, there are upward pressures on energy bills, and that makes life difficult for people, including those in fuel poverty, but it is right that we go down the low-carbon energy route.”

    In his own words, Miliband says his policies would cause energy price rises. What was that about a cost of living crisis?'
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    Bobajob said:

    Jonathan said:

    SEE to raise energy prices by 8.2%!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24465979

    Daylight robbery - smash them.
    "The latest calculations from the regulator found that the average profit margin made by an energy supplier on an average £1,315 bill is £65."

    Gross profiteering!

    If not 5%, what sort of margin do you think the utility companies should be returning?

    Bobajob said:

    Jonathan said:

    SEE to raise energy prices by 8.2%!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24465979

    Daylight robbery - smash them.
    "The latest calculations from the regulator found that the average profit margin made by an energy supplier on an average £1,315 bill is £65."

    Gross profiteering!

    If not 5%, what sort of margin do you think the utility companies should be returning?

    I'd rather they didn't manipulate the market and rinse consumers for millions. Maybe that's just me.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/9490712/Energy-companies-overcharge-customers-by-600m.html

  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    How is it that there are more Scottish Tories on PB.com than actually exist?
  • good read
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