Chillax, guys. The two sides are inching towards a deal, which will be broadly based on Chequers but not identical. That's how negotiations work.
What, you mean we can't all run around hysterically at every nuanced pronouncement? That's just not how these things work, you know.
If in doubt, run about, scream and shout. Why people pay any attention to public pronouncements (other than the universally wise words on PB, ofc) baffles me.
My current Bremorse level: nil. EU sentiment: Fuck 'em and all who sail with them.
PB Brexit Loon Condition: 2...
(Although I do share the same sentiments)
Does PBBLC:1 entail nuking Brussels until the frites glow in the dark?
We can hide it in that giant egg thing they just built. They’d never suspect a thing!
Chillax, guys. The two sides are inching towards a deal, which will be broadly based on Chequers but not identical. That's how negotiations work.
What, you mean we can't all run around hysterically at every nuanced pronouncement? That's just not how these things work, you know.
If in doubt, run about, scream and shout. Why people pay any attention to public pronouncements (other than the universally wise words on PB, ofc) baffles me.
My current Bremorse level: nil. EU sentiment: Fuck 'em and all who sail with them.
Well seeing as about 44% of our exports go to "them" then I guess that means a large number of our exporters and their UK employees that rely on them. But hey, as Boris says "Fuck business", fuck everyone that doesn't strut around showing off their narcissistic nationalistic credentials while they hide their miniscule appendages behind their faux patriotism
And how many of their exports go to “us”?
Quite a lot. But that won't replace the jobs that will be lost by the headbanger's solution. These little people's jobs are expendable in the eyes of the Brexit purist (and those like Boris and Rees-Mogg who have other forms of income) and their sacrifice will be worth it for the post Brexit Utopia in about 2068 or thereabouts.
Maybe we sacrifice Wales and the South West, put up a fence and call it Brexitopia. Put a load of one-way turnstiles in the fence and let them get on with it.
Chillax, guys. The two sides are inching towards a deal, which will be broadly based on Chequers but not identical. That's how negotiations work.
What, you mean we can't all run around hysterically at every nuanced pronouncement? That's just not how these things work, you know.
If in doubt, run about, scream and shout. Why people pay any attention to public pronouncements (other than the universally wise words on PB, ofc) baffles me.
My current Bremorse level: nil. EU sentiment: Fuck 'em and all who sail with them.
Well seeing as about 44% of our exports go to "them" then I guess that means a large number of our exporters and their UK employees that rely on them. But hey, as Boris says "Fuck business", fuck everyone that doesn't strut around showing off their narcissistic nationalistic credentials while they hide their miniscule appendages behind their faux patriotism
And how many of their exports go to “us”?
Quite a lot. But that won't replace the jobs that will be lost by the headbanger's solution. These little people's jobs are expendable in the eyes of the Brexit purist (and those like Boris and Rees-Mogg who have other forms of income) and their sacrifice will be worth it for the post Brexit Utopia in about 2068 or thereabouts.
Maybe we sacrifice Wales and the South West, put up a fence and call it Brexitopia. Put a load of one-way turnstiles in the fence and let them get on with it.
The problem with that type of "intelligence-cleansing" and ceding territory to the nationalistically insane is that some of the nicest places, such as Cornwall, Norfolk and SW Wales would be completely occupied by the swivel-eyed. We would be forced to take UK holidays in Brighton or Scotland. The latter is only OK once every 10 years when they get decent weather, and you have to avoid Scottish Nationalists trying saying "I don't hate the English but.."
We should make a genuine move to free trade, which we can kick-start by unilaterally abolishing tariffs and import duties. That unambiguously improves our welfare. It also removes tariff protection for our producers, which is also a good thing, because a need for such protection demonstrates their lack of competitiveness.
As far as the Irish border is concerned the EU can tell Varadkar to put up whatever controls are required to protect their industries.
It must be the prospect of moving out of Downing Street as Boris moves in. That would do it.....
May God have mercy on our souls.
Well we have already made ourselves an international laughing stocks. Why not go the whole hog? It would give the yanks a bit of respite from thinking they have the biggest twat as a head of government in the G7
We should make a genuine move to free trade, which we can kick-start by unilaterally abolishing tariffs and import duties. That unambiguously improves our welfare. It also removes tariff protection for our producers, which is also a good thing, because a need for such protection demonstrates their lack of competitiveness.
As far as the Irish border is concerned the EU can tell Varadkar to put up whatever controls are required to protect their industries.
Chillax, guys. The two sides are inching towards a deal, which will be broadly based on Chequers but not identical. That's how negotiations work.
What, you mean we can't all run around hysterically at every nuanced pronouncement? That's just not how these things work, you know.
If in doubt, run about, scream and shout. Why people pay any attention to public pronouncements (other than the universally wise words on PB, ofc) baffles me.
My current Bremorse level: nil. EU sentiment: Fuck 'em and all who sail with them.
Well seeing as about 44% of our exports go to "them" then I guess that means a large number of our exporters and their UK employees that rely on them. But hey, as Boris says "Fuck business", fuck everyone that doesn't strut around showing off their narcissistic nationalistic credentials while they hide their miniscule appendages behind their faux patriotism
And how many of their exports go to “us”?
Quite a lot. But that won't replace the jobs that will be lost by the headbanger's solution. These little people's jobs are expendable in the eyes of the Brexit purist (and those like Boris and Rees-Mogg who have other forms of income) and their sacrifice will be worth it for the post Brexit Utopia in about 2068 or thereabouts.
Maybe we sacrifice Wales and the South West, put up a fence and call it Brexitopia. Put a load of one-way turnstiles in the fence and let them get on with it.
The problem with that type of "intelligence-cleansing" and ceding territory to the nationalistically insane is that some of the nicest places, such as Cornwall, Norfolk and SW Wales would be completely occupied by the swivel-eyed. We would be forced to take UK holidays in Brighton or Scotland. The latter is only OK once every 10 years when they get decent weather, and you have to avoid Scottish Nationalists trying saying "I don't hate the English but.."
After about 3 years they would have eaten each other rather than receive European aid, and it could be reclaimed. Small price to pay.
....it did not look as if May was feigning anger and alarm. This did feel like significant setback. The further apart the two sides remain, the harder it is to see how they strike a deal in October.
Staying in the single market? Yeah, can’t see May agreeing to that.
That should have been the pro eu supporters position from the beginning instead of trying to invalidate decision, but push the government into one they would see as least damaging, even if it was only temporary until we can agree. But now remaining in the single market will be seen as a defeat and climb down.
Chillax, guys. The two sides are inching towards a deal, which will be broadly based on Chequers but not identical. That's how negotiations work.
What, you mean we can't all run around hysterically at every nuanced pronouncement? That's just not how these things work, you know.
If in doubt, run about, scream and shout. Why people pay any attention to public pronouncements (other than the universally wise words on PB, ofc) baffles me.
My current Bremorse level: nil. EU sentiment: Fuck 'em and all who sail with them.
Well seeing as about 44% of our exports go to "them" then I guess that means a large number of our exporters and their UK employees that rely on them. But hey, as Boris says "Fuck business", fuck everyone that doesn't strut around showing off their narcissistic nationalistic credentials while they hide their miniscule appendages behind their faux patriotism
And how many of their exports go to “us”?
Quite a lot. But that won't replace the jobs that will be lost by the headbanger's solution. These little people's jobs are expendable in the eyes of the Brexit purist (and those like Boris and Rees-Mogg who have other forms of income) and their sacrifice will be worth it for the post Brexit Utopia in about 2068 or thereabouts.
Maybe we sacrifice Wales and the South West, put up a fence and call it Brexitopia. Put a load of one-way turnstiles in the fence and let them get on with it.
The problem with that type of "intelligence-cleansing" and ceding territory to the nationalistically insane is that some of the nicest places, such as Cornwall, Norfolk and SW Wales would be completely occupied by the swivel-eyed. We would be forced to take UK holidays in Brighton or Scotland. The latter is only OK once every 10 years when they get decent weather, and you have to avoid Scottish Nationalists trying saying "I don't hate the English but.."
After about 3 years they would have eaten each other rather than receive European aid, and it could be reclaimed. Small price to pay.
You do realise that the EU aid is fully funded by the UK taxpayer?
Chillax, guys. The two sides are inching towards a deal, which will be broadly based on Chequers but not identical. That's how negotiations work.
What, you mean we can't all run around hysterically at every nuanced pronouncement? That's just not how these things work, you know.
If in doubt, run about, scream and shout. Why people pay any attention to public pronouncements (other than the universally wise words on PB, ofc) baffles me.
My current Bremorse level: nil. EU sentiment: Fuck 'em and all who sail with them.
Well seeing as about 44% of our exports go to "them" then I guess that means a large number of our exporters and their UK employees that rely on them. But hey, as Boris says "Fuck business", fuck everyone that doesn't strut around showing off their narcissistic nationalistic credentials while they hide their miniscule appendages behind their faux patriotism
And how many of their exports go to “us”?
Quite a lot. But that won't replace the jobs that will be lost by the headbanger's solution. These little people's jobs are expendable in the eyes of the Brexit purist (and those like Boris and Rees-Mogg who have other forms of income) and their sacrifice will be worth it for the post Brexit Utopia in about 2068 or thereabouts.
Maybe we sacrifice Wales and the South West, put up a fence and call it Brexitopia. Put a load of one-way turnstiles in the fence and let them get on with it.
The problem with that type of "intelligence-cleansing" and ceding territory to the nationalistically insane is that some of the nicest places, such as Cornwall, Norfolk and SW Wales would be completely occupied by the swivel-eyed. We would be forced to take UK holidays in Brighton or Scotland. The latter is only OK once every 10 years when they get decent weather, and you have to avoid Scottish Nationalists trying saying "I don't hate the English but.."
After about 3 years they would have eaten each other rather than receive European aid, and it could be reclaimed. Small price to pay.
You do realise that the EU aid is fully funded by the UK taxpayer?
When did logic have anything to do with Brexit and the behaviour of its most ardent supporters?
Chillax, guys. The two sides are inching towards a deal, which will be broadly based on Chequers but not identical. That's how negotiations work.
What, you mean we can't all run around hysterically at every nuanced pronouncement? That's just not how these things work, you know.
If in doubt, run about, scream and shout. Why people pay any attention to public pronouncements (other than the universally wise words on PB, ofc) baffles me.
My current Bremorse level: nil. EU sentiment: Fuck 'em and all who sail with them.
Well seeing as about 44% of our exports go to "them" then I guess that means a large number of our exporters and their UK employees that rely on them. But hey, as Boris says "Fuck business", fuck everyone that doesn't strut around showing off their narcissistic nationalistic credentials while they hide their miniscule appendages behind their faux patriotism
And how many of their exports go to “us”?
Quite a lot. But that won't replace the jobs that will be lost by the headbanger's solution. These little people's jobs are expendable in the eyes of the Brexit purist (and those like Boris and Rees-Mogg who have other forms of income) and their sacrifice will be worth it for the post Brexit Utopia in about 2068 or thereabouts.
Maybe we sacrifice Wales and the South West, put up a fence and call it Brexitopia. Put a load of one-way turnstiles in the fence and let them get on with it.
The problem with that type of "intelligence-cleansing" and ceding territory to the nationalistically insane is that some of the nicest places, such as Cornwall, Norfolk and SW Wales would be completely occupied by the swivel-eyed. We would be forced to take UK holidays in Brighton or Scotland. The latter is only OK once every 10 years when they get decent weather, and you have to avoid Scottish Nationalists trying saying "I don't hate the English but.."
After about 3 years they would have eaten each other rather than receive European aid, and it could be reclaimed. Small price to pay.
mmm, you are selling me on the idea. Can we at least leave Norfolk out of the scheme?
Chillax, guys. The two sides are inching towards a deal, which will be broadly based on Chequers but not identical. That's how negotiations work.
What, you mean we can't all run around hysterically at every nuanced pronouncement? That's just not how these things work, you know.
If in doubt, run about, scream and shout. Why people pay any attention to public pronouncements (other than the universally wise words on PB, ofc) baffles me.
My current Bremorse level: nil. EU sentiment: Fuck 'em and all who sail with them.
Well seeing as about 44% of our exports go to "them" then I guess that means a large number of our exporters and their UK employees that rely on them. But hey, as Boris says "Fuck business", fuck everyone that doesn't strut around showing off their narcissistic nationalistic credentials while they hide their miniscule appendages behind their faux patriotism
And how many of their exports go to “us”?
Quite a lot. But that won't replace the jobs that will be lost by the headbanger's solution. These little people's jobs are expendable in the eyes of the Brexit purist (and those like Boris and Rees-Mogg who have other forms of income) and their sacrifice will be worth it for the post Brexit Utopia in about 2068 or thereabouts.
Maybe we sacrifice Wales and the South West, put up a fence and call it Brexitopia. Put a load of one-way turnstiles in the fence and let them get on with it.
The problem with that type of "intelligence-cleansing" and ceding territory to the nationalistically insane is that some of the nicest places, such as Cornwall, Norfolk and SW Wales would be completely occupied by the swivel-eyed. We would be forced to take UK holidays in Brighton or Scotland. The latter is only OK once every 10 years when they get decent weather, and you have to avoid Scottish Nationalists trying saying "I don't hate the English but.."
After about 3 years they would have eaten each other rather than receive European aid, and it could be reclaimed. Small price to pay.
You do realise that the EU aid is fully funded by the UK taxpayer?
When did logic have anything to do with Brexit and the behaviour of its most ardent supporters?
We should make a genuine move to free trade, which we can kick-start by unilaterally abolishing tariffs and import duties. That unambiguously improves our welfare. It also removes tariff protection for our producers, which is also a good thing, because a need for such protection demonstrates their lack of competitiveness.
As far as the Irish border is concerned the EU can tell Varadkar to put up whatever controls are required to protect their industries.
....it did not look as if May was feigning anger and alarm. This did feel like significant setback. The further apart the two sides remain, the harder it is to see how they strike a deal in October.
We need PM Boris, a withdrawal from NATO and any other security cooperation with the EU, and a concerted effort to persuade Trump to withdraw from Nato too.
That would give the EU something to think about...
Chillax, guys. The two sides are inching towards a deal, which will be broadly based on Chequers but not identical. That's how negotiations work.
What, you mean we can't all run around hysterically at every nuanced pronouncement? That's just not how these things work, you know.
If in doubt, run about, scream and shout. Why people pay any attention to public pronouncements (other than the universally wise words on PB, ofc) baffles me.
My current Bremorse level: nil. EU sentiment: Fuck 'em and all who sail with them.
Well seeing as about 44% of our exports go to "them" then I guess that means a large number of our exporters and their UK employees that rely on them. But hey, as Boris says "Fuck business", fuck everyone that doesn't strut around showing off their narcissistic nationalistic credentials while they hide their miniscule appendages behind their faux patriotism
And how many of their exports go to “us”?
Quite a lot. But that won't replace the jobs that will be lost by the headbanger's solution. These little people's jobs are expendable in the eyes of the Brexit purist (and those like Boris and Rees-Mogg who have other forms of income) and their sacrifice will be worth it for the post Brexit Utopia in about 2068 or thereabouts.
Maybe we sacrifice Wales and the South West, put up a fence and call it Brexitopia. Put a load of one-way turnstiles in the fence and let them get on with it.
The problem with that type of "intelligence-cleansing" and ceding territory to the nationalistically insane is that some of the nicest places, such as Cornwall, Norfolk and SW Wales would be completely occupied by the swivel-eyed. We would be forced to take UK holidays in Brighton or Scotland. The latter is only OK once every 10 years when they get decent weather, and you have to avoid Scottish Nationalists trying saying "I don't hate the English but.."
After about 3 years they would have eaten each other rather than receive European aid, and it could be reclaimed. Small price to pay.
You do realise that the EU aid is fully funded by the UK taxpayer?
When did logic have anything to do with Brexit and the behaviour of its most ardent supporters?
Or remainers, evidently.
Logic is largely the preserve of those "experts" which leavers prefer to ignore.
....it did not look as if May was feigning anger and alarm. This did feel like significant setback. The further apart the two sides remain, the harder it is to see how they strike a deal in October.
We need PM Boris, a withdrawal from NATO and any other security cooperation with the EU, and a concerted effort to persuade Trump to withdraw from Nato too.
That would give the EU something to think about...
There is something very British about the fact that a third of Mail readers would vote remain and a third of FT readers would vote leave. A thoughtful conversation between those two groups would be illuminating
....it did not look as if May was feigning anger and alarm. This did feel like significant setback. The further apart the two sides remain, the harder it is to see how they strike a deal in October.
We need PM Boris, a withdrawal from NATO and any other security cooperation with the EU, and a concerted effort to persuade Trump to withdraw from Nato too.
That would give the EU something to think about...
I really don't think that an EU outside Nato with the ability of Gazprom/Putin to blackmail Germany over Gas supplies is a recipe for a safer world. Do you?
....it did not look as if May was feigning anger and alarm. This did feel like significant setback. The further apart the two sides remain, the harder it is to see how they strike a deal in October.
We need PM Boris, a withdrawal from NATO and any other security cooperation with the EU, and a concerted effort to persuade Trump to withdraw from Nato too.
That would give the EU something to think about...
Guardian: May: EU criticism of Chequers plan is 'negotiating tactic' British PM tries to downplay unexpectedly strong criticism of UK proposals by European leaders at Salzburg summit...
Miss Vance, given May's own party (both wings) dislikes Chequers, and the EU doesn't want, this does sound like her initial desire to sound a 'strong'* note after the election result.
*And by 'strong' I mean 'one that bears no relation to reality'.
Guardian: May: EU criticism of Chequers plan is 'negotiating tactic' British PM tries to downplay unexpectedly strong criticism of UK proposals by European leaders at Salzburg summit...
It's even madder than that, the clause to keep the border open which is potentially scuppering the deal wouldn't apply anyway if there is a deal. It's Alice in Wonderland stuff.
Miss Vance, quite. I can see this lending support for a second vote, but the idea the Leave option would* be Norway is a concept marinated in daftness.
Chillax, guys. The two sides are inching towards a deal, which will be broadly based on Chequers but not identical. That's how negotiations work.
What, you mean we can't all run around hysterically at every nuanced pronouncement? That's just not how these things work, you know.
If in doubt, run about, scream and shout. Why people pay any attention to public pronouncements (other than the universally wise words on PB, ofc) baffles me.
My current Bremorse level: nil. EU sentiment: Fuck 'em and all who sail with them.
Well seeing as about 44% of our exports go to "them" then I guess that means a large number of our exporters and their UK employees that rely on them. But hey, as Boris says "Fuck business", fuck everyone that doesn't strut around showing off their narcissistic nationalistic credentials while they hide their miniscule appendages behind their faux patriotism
And how many of their exports go to “us”?
Quite a lot. But that won't replace the jobs that will be lost by the headbanger's solution. These little people's jobs are expendable in the eyes of the Brexit purist (and those like Boris and Rees-Mogg who have other forms of income) and their sacrifice will be worth it for the post Brexit Utopia in about 2068 or thereabouts.
Maybe we sacrifice Wales and the South West, put up a fence and call it Brexitopia. Put a load of one-way turnstiles in the fence and let them get on with it.
The problem with that type of "intelligence-cleansing" and ceding territory to the nationalistically insane is that some of the nicest places, such as Cornwall, Norfolk and SW Wales would be completely occupied by the swivel-eyed. We would be forced to take UK holidays in Brighton or Scotland. The latter is only OK once every 10 years when they get decent weather, and you have to avoid Scottish Nationalists trying saying "I don't hate the English but.."
It's not all bad, you'd still have Liverpool, West Belfast, and Inner London.
“There is no counter proposal on the table at the moment that actually deals, delivers on what we need to do and respects the integrity of the United Kingdom and respects the result of the referendum,” May told a news conference after meeting EU leaders in Salzburg, Austria.
A rather unusual winter GE looks a little more likely this pm.
The problem would not go away with a GE unless labour promised a referendum on the EU and won
There is no way I see how the circle can be squared and it will be upto the HOC to resolve a way through
I do not think the EU are helping their case by calling for a second referendum obviously encouraged by many in the UK. I expect it to annoy a lot of people
As I said previously as a moderate conservative member I despair at the ultra Brexiteers, who have failed when given the chance (yes you, Boris and Davis) and want to march us and our families jobs over the edge with their impossible dream
It's even madder than that, the clause to keep the border open which is potentially scuppering the deal wouldn't apply anyway if there is a deal. It's Alice in Wonderland stuff.
Disagreements start because of misunderstandings. The assumption that you can predict how others will behave. All of this process shows that our EU friends still don't understand us and vice versa. Sad.
It's even madder than that, the clause to keep the border open which is potentially scuppering the deal wouldn't apply anyway if there is a deal. It's Alice in Wonderland stuff.
Yes, all this effort expended on a what if. Why not just work on the FTA?
It's even madder than that, the clause to keep the border open which is potentially scuppering the deal wouldn't apply anyway if there is a deal. It's Alice in Wonderland stuff.
Yes, all this effort expended on a what if. Why not just work on the FTA?
Because an FTA cannot deliver a border without infrastructure. Therefore if you want an FTA it has to be GB-only.
It's even madder than that, the clause to keep the border open which is potentially scuppering the deal wouldn't apply anyway if there is a deal. It's Alice in Wonderland stuff.
Yes, all this effort expended on a what if. Why not just work on the FTA?
Because an FTA cannot deliver a border without infrastructure. Therefore if you want an FTA it has to be GB-only.
Even the EU have said a technological solution to that is possible.
It's even madder than that, the clause to keep the border open which is potentially scuppering the deal wouldn't apply anyway if there is a deal. It's Alice in Wonderland stuff.
Yes, all this effort expended on a what if. Why not just work on the FTA?
Because an FTA cannot deliver a border without infrastructure. Therefore if you want an FTA it has to be GB-only.
Even the EU have said a technological solution to that is possible.
Technology in ports. If you accept that then what's the problem with a GB FTA?
A rather unusual winter GE looks a little more likely this pm.
The problem would not go away with a GE unless labour promised a referendum on the EU and won
There is no way I see how the circle can be squared and it will be upto the HOC to resolve a way through
I do not think the EU are helping their case by calling for a second referendum obviously encouraged by many in the UK. I expect it to annoy a lot of people
As I said previously as a moderate conservative member I despair at the ultra Brexiteers, who have failed when given the chance (yes you, Boris and Davis) and want to march us and our families jobs over the edge with their impossible dream
Blimey, EU calling for a second referendum - what has got into them?
Chillax, guys. The two sides are inching towards a deal, which will be broadly based on Chequers but not identical. That's how negotiations work.
What, you mean we can't all run around hysterically at every nuanced pronouncement? That's just not how these things work, you know.
If in doubt, run about, scream and shout. Why people pay any attention to public pronouncements (other than the universally wise words on PB, ofc) baffles me.
My current Bremorse level: nil. EU sentiment: Fuck 'em and all who sail with them.
Well seeing as about 44% of our exports go to "them" then I guess that means a large number of our exporters and their UK employees that rely on them. But hey, as Boris says "Fuck business", fuck everyone that doesn't strut around showing off their narcissistic nationalistic credentials while they hide their miniscule appendages behind their faux patriotism
And how many of their exports go to “us”?
Quite a lot. But that won't replace the jobs that will be lost by the headbanger's solution. These little people's jobs are expendable in the eyes of the Brexit purist (and those like Boris and Rees-Mogg who have other forms of income) and their sacrifice will be worth it for the post Brexit Utopia in about 2068 or thereabouts.
Maybe we sacrifice Wales and the South West, put up a fence and call it Brexitopia. Put a load of one-way turnstiles in the fence and let them get on with it.
The problem with that type of "intelligence-cleansing" and ceding territory to the nationalistically insane is that some of the nicest places, such as Cornwall, Norfolk and SW Wales would be completely occupied by the swivel-eyed. We would be forced to take UK holidays in Brighton or Scotland. The latter is only OK once every 10 years when they get decent weather, and you have to avoid Scottish Nationalists trying saying "I don't hate the English but.."
It's not all bad, you'd still have Liverpool, West Belfast, and Inner London.
Oh thanks Mr F, I feel much better. How I look forward to the delights of numerous visits to The Cavern Club, The murals of the Falls Road and the East End murder sites of the Kray Twins and Jack the Ripper! I can't wait.
To coin a phrase beloved by the Prime Minister, so far as I can see nothing has changed. It's just that some people who had previously been making positive noises are now making negative noises. Or am I missing something obvious?
It's even madder than that, the clause to keep the border open which is potentially scuppering the deal wouldn't apply anyway if there is a deal. It's Alice in Wonderland stuff.
Yes, all this effort expended on a what if. Why not just work on the FTA?
Because an FTA cannot deliver a border without infrastructure. Therefore if you want an FTA it has to be GB-only.
Even the EU have said a technological solution to that is possible.
Technology in ports. If you accept that then what's the problem with a GB FTA?
And in the warehouse. The problem with it is that the EU is effectively trying to annex a part of the UK.
A rather unusual winter GE looks a little more likely this pm.
The problem would not go away with a GE unless labour promised a referendum on the EU and won
There is no way I see how the circle can be squared and it will be upto the HOC to resolve a way through
I do not think the EU are helping their case by calling for a second referendum obviously encouraged by many in the UK. I expect it to annoy a lot of people
As I said previously as a moderate conservative member I despair at the ultra Brexiteers, who have failed when given the chance (yes you, Boris and Davis) and want to march us and our families jobs over the edge with their impossible dream
Blimey, EU calling for a second referendum - what has got into them?
They all agreed it would be a good idea apparently and said so
To coin a phrase beloved by the Prime Minister, so far as I can see nothing has changed. It's just that some people who had previously been making positive noises are now making negative noises. Or am I missing something obvious?
I think the most noteworthy development is the increasing focus on asking Labour to rule out a second referendum.
At our EU27 working lunch today we had a good discussion on Brexit, which once again reconfirmed our full unity. Let me highlight three points.
First, we reconfirmed that there will be no Withdrawal Agreement without a solid, operational and legally binding Irish backstop. And we continue to fully support Michel Barnier in his efforts to find such a model.
Second, we agreed to have a joint political declaration that provides as much clarity as possible on the future relations. Everybody shared the view that while there are positive elements in the Chequers proposal, the suggested framework for economic cooperation will not work. Not least because it risks undermining the Single Market.
Third, we also discussed the timetable for further negotiations. The moment of truth for Brexit negotiations will be the October European Council. In October we expect maximum progress and results in the Brexit talks. Then we will decide whether conditions are there to call an extraordinary summit in November to finalise and formalise the deal.
It's even madder than that, the clause to keep the border open which is potentially scuppering the deal wouldn't apply anyway if there is a deal. It's Alice in Wonderland stuff.
Yes, all this effort expended on a what if. Why not just work on the FTA?
Because an FTA cannot deliver a border without infrastructure. Therefore if you want an FTA it has to be GB-only.
Even the EU have said a technological solution to that is possible.
Technology in ports. If you accept that then what's the problem with a GB FTA?
And in the warehouse. The problem with it is that the EU is effectively trying to annex a part of the UK.
Would you accept it if the Northern Ireland Assembly voted for it?
A rather unusual winter GE looks a little more likely this pm.
The problem would not go away with a GE unless labour promised a referendum on the EU and won
There is no way I see how the circle can be squared and it will be upto the HOC to resolve a way through
I do not think the EU are helping their case by calling for a second referendum obviously encouraged by many in the UK. I expect it to annoy a lot of people
As I said previously as a moderate conservative member I despair at the ultra Brexiteers, who have failed when given the chance (yes you, Boris and Davis) and want to march us and our families jobs over the edge with their impossible dream
Blimey, EU calling for a second referendum - what has got into them?
They all agreed it would be a good idea apparently and said so
All this wishful thinking about a GE is laughable.
Con MPs may be daft but they aren't stupid.
And what about the DUP pulling the plug if May signs up to the EU's proposals on Northern Ireland...?
I can't help thinking that a GE now would produce a similar result to that of last year. Which could mean the Conservatives falling just short of the number needed to form any government at all, or just scraping a majority.
It's even madder than that, the clause to keep the border open which is potentially scuppering the deal wouldn't apply anyway if there is a deal. It's Alice in Wonderland stuff.
Yes, all this effort expended on a what if. Why not just work on the FTA?
Because an FTA cannot deliver a border without infrastructure. Therefore if you want an FTA it has to be GB-only.
Even the EU have said a technological solution to that is possible.
Technology in ports. If you accept that then what's the problem with a GB FTA?
And in the warehouse. The problem with it is that the EU is effectively trying to annex a part of the UK.
We could say that, though the Irish would probably say that takes quite a bit of chutzpah for anyone British to suggest it
A rather unusual winter GE looks a little more likely this pm.
The problem would not go away with a GE unless labour promised a referendum on the EU and won
There is no way I see how the circle can be squared and it will be upto the HOC to resolve a way through
I do not think the EU are helping their case by calling for a second referendum obviously encouraged by many in the UK. I expect it to annoy a lot of people
As I said previously as a moderate conservative member I despair at the ultra Brexiteers, who have failed when given the chance (yes you, Boris and Davis) and want to march us and our families jobs over the edge with their impossible dream
Blimey, EU calling for a second referendum - what has got into them?
They all agreed it would be a good idea apparently and said so
Default position of the EU.
Vote again, until you get the result we want.
Vote again, until you get the result we want.
Vote again, until you get the result we want.
Vote again, until you get the result we want.
Vote again, until you get the result we want.
Vote again, until you get the result we want.
Vote again, until you get the result we want.....
I think you kid yourself that "they" want us to change "our" minds.
Mr. Glenn, subsidiary/devolved political bodies don't get to unilaterally declare independence or decide which country's laws and regulations they wish to apply.
Otherwise you'd have businesses in the UK paying Irish corporation tax, individuals choosing to adopt the American First Amendment for free speech (and maybe the Second Amendment too).
If the Northern Irish people choose to leave the UK, that would have to be respected. But it is not for a temporary crop of politicians to unilaterally make such a decision without a democratic mandate via a referendum.
At our EU27 working lunch today we had a good discussion on Brexit, which once again reconfirmed our full unity. Let me highlight three points.
First, we reconfirmed that there will be no Withdrawal Agreement without a solid, operational and legally binding Irish backstop. And we continue to fully support Michel Barnier in his efforts to find such a model.
Second, we agreed to have a joint political declaration that provides as much clarity as possible on the future relations. Everybody shared the view that while there are positive elements in the Chequers proposal, the suggested framework for economic cooperation will not work. Not least because it risks undermining the Single Market.
Third, we also discussed the timetable for further negotiations. The moment of truth for Brexit negotiations will be the October European Council. In October we expect maximum progress and results in the Brexit talks. Then we will decide whether conditions are there to call an extraordinary summit in November to finalise and formalise the deal.
A rather unusual winter GE looks a little more likely this pm.
The problem would not go away with a GE unless labour promised a referendum on the EU and won
There is no way I see how the circle can be squared and it will be upto the HOC to resolve a way through
I do not think the EU are helping their case by calling for a second referendum obviously encouraged by many in the UK. I expect it to annoy a lot of people
As I said previously as a moderate conservative member I despair at the ultra Brexiteers, who have failed when given the chance (yes you, Boris and Davis) and want to march us and our families jobs over the edge with their impossible dream
Blimey, EU calling for a second referendum - what has got into them?
They all agreed it would be a good idea apparently and said so
No doubt. Has the idea of a second referendum ever occurred to them before, I wonder?
Comments
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1042776321963769856
Seems like it was the wrong horse.
Have I got this right? EU have flatly rejected Chequers. as just about everyone said they would, except May.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exEpFtttEZU
We should make a genuine move to free trade, which we can kick-start by unilaterally abolishing tariffs and import duties. That unambiguously improves our welfare. It also removes tariff protection for our producers, which is also a good thing, because a need for such protection demonstrates their lack of competitiveness.
As far as the Irish border is concerned the EU can tell Varadkar to put up whatever controls are required to protect their industries.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/sep/20/salzburg-eu-summit-brexit-theresa-may-polite-doing-her-job-eu-chiefs-non-committal-verdict-on-mays-brexit-appeal-at-salzburg-politics-live?page=with:block-5ba3a8c1e4b0b62144347a78#block-5ba3a8c1e4b0b62144347a78
https://twitter.com/TomMcTague/status/1042782406896431104
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/407567-poll-most-massachusetts-voters-dont-think-warren-should-run-for-president
Most Massachusetts voters don't think Warren should run for president in 2020
If you can't convince your own state then there's really not much point in running.
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That would give the EU something to think about...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/sep/20/salzburg-eu-summit-brexit-theresa-may-polite-doing-her-job-eu-chiefs-non-committal-verdict-on-mays-brexit-appeal-at-salzburg-politics-live?page=with:block-5ba3acfae4b0b62144347aae#block-5ba3acfae4b0b62144347aae
May: EU criticism of Chequers plan is 'negotiating tactic'
British PM tries to downplay unexpectedly strong criticism of UK proposals by European leaders at Salzburg summit...
'Tis but a scratch...
*And by 'strong' I mean 'one that bears no relation to reality'.
(Unfortunately for the sake of my bank balance, this is not true.)
Edited extra bit: should*
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-may-proposal-deal/uks-may-says-there-is-no-eu-counter-proposal-for-brexit-deal-idUSKCN1M02AF
There is no way I see how the circle can be squared and it will be upto the HOC to resolve a way through
I do not think the EU are helping their case by calling for a second referendum obviously encouraged by many in the UK. I expect it to annoy a lot of people
As I said previously as a moderate conservative member I despair at the ultra Brexiteers, who have failed when given the chance (yes you, Boris and Davis) and want to march us and our families jobs over the edge with their impossible dream
That seems.... unlikely.
But, it looks more likely as Parliament is deadlocked and Chequers was the last roll of the dice.
Con MPs may be daft but they aren't stupid.
https://twitter.com/theresa_may/status/1042767167928918016
At our EU27 working lunch today we had a good discussion on Brexit, which once again reconfirmed our full unity. Let me highlight three points.
First, we reconfirmed that there will be no Withdrawal Agreement without a solid, operational and legally binding Irish backstop. And we continue to fully support Michel Barnier in his efforts to find such a model.
Second, we agreed to have a joint political declaration that provides as much clarity as possible on the future relations. Everybody shared the view that while there are positive elements in the Chequers proposal, the suggested framework for economic cooperation will not work. Not least because it risks undermining the Single Market.
Third, we also discussed the timetable for further negotiations. The moment of truth for Brexit negotiations will be the October European Council. In October we expect maximum progress and results in the Brexit talks. Then we will decide whether conditions are there to call an extraordinary summit in November to finalise and formalise the deal.
http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2018/09/20/remarks-by-president-donald-tusk-after-the-salzburg-informal-summit/
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1042788680665051136
Vote again, until you get the result we want.
Vote again, until you get the result we want.
Vote again, until you get the result we want.
Vote again, until you get the result we want.
Vote again, until you get the result we want.
Vote again, until you get the result we want.
Vote again, until you get the result we want.....
Otherwise you'd have businesses in the UK paying Irish corporation tax, individuals choosing to adopt the American First Amendment for free speech (and maybe the Second Amendment too).
If the Northern Irish people choose to leave the UK, that would have to be respected. But it is not for a temporary crop of politicians to unilaterally make such a decision without a democratic mandate via a referendum.
Mr. D, indeed.
I think we know what that means.
Has the idea of a second referendum ever occurred to them before, I wonder?
Among other points, she stressed that there would be no second referendum on Brexit. For Brussels, that statement is heard as “no second referendum on Brexit while May is prime minister.”
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-leaders-avoid-rocking-brexit-boat-salzburg-ireland-border/