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  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited October 2013
    Mainly, it nearly gives me a migraine.
    And 1st at last.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @StigAbell: Sun leader tomorrow may refer to "lightweight politicians in thrall to a pressure group fronted by the star of Four Weddings and a Funeral"
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    It's pretty much as you were, going by the graph.

    I take it the same is true of the yellows and purples?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,112
    A lot of froth, but no change in the headline numbers. There have been big shifts in the fundamentals though, with Eds approval rising amongst Labour supporters, for instance.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    edited October 2013
    Scott_P said:

    @StigAbell: Sun leader tomorrow may refer to "lightweight politicians in thrall to a pressure group fronted by the star of Four Weddings and a Funeral"

    Is that the one who had a Divine hooker and was cross to be exposed (in the papers, not to Divine)?

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Regarding the conversation on the previous thread about African countries contributing to climate change, I never understand why they don't rely solely on solar? Can you export solar energy? Or can't loads of factories powered by solar energy be built in parts of Africa that has suffered through constant sun?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    FPT @bobajobb on e-cigs. Voking: you heard it here first ;-)

    Try this when you get a chance... much the best in it's class

    BAT launches nicotine inhaler

    BRITAIN’S biggest tobacco company is gearing up to launch another alternative to cigarettes — a nicotine inhaler that it may market under the brand name Voke.

    The device is the latest move by British American Tobacco to insure against a decline in cigarette smoking by offering so-called harm reduction products. It recently became the first British tobacco company to sell electronic cigarettes.

    BAT is working on plans to bring the inhaler to market. It has registered the trade mark Voke, although the company refused to confirm that this will be the official name of the device. It said that the Voke tag is “just an idea” and that nothing had been decided.

    http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/business/Industry/article1320423.ece
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    tim said:

    First Hunt, now the DoH

    ITV News ‏@itvnews
    Department of Health forced to apologise over emails used to 'smear' Andy Burnham http://itv.co/GFk98t from Libby Wiener

    Diminishing returns on Hunt's untruths from now on.

    There is no mention of 'untruth' in that article.

    They do say that they should have informed him in advance that the emails would be made public.

    You have jumped to a conclusion that is short of any empirical data to support it.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    tim said:

    First Hunt, now the DoH

    ITV News ‏@itvnews
    Department of Health forced to apologise over emails used to 'smear' Andy Burnham http://itv.co/GFk98t from Libby Wiener

    Diminishing returns on Hunt's untruths from now on.

    Just to be clear, they apologised for not consulting him prior to release, due to an oversight.

    Nothing else. Don't imply something that's not true
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    @fitalass
    Thanks for replying to my question about your views on Johann Lamont and Margaret Curran.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    FPT @Bobajob

    I'm pretty equivocal on Help to Buy - I'd use it if I needed it and, from a pointlessly futile but feelgood POV, it's causing my house price to rocket - up £7k since I bought it in the summer. But it's clearly a demand-side measure when the problem is lack of supply. What's it like for FTBs who HAVE deposits? Presumably some will now be priced out of the market due to crowding over available properties?

    House prices are principally driven by the availability and cost of mortgage finance. This applies to almost all UK segments except prime property in central London where foreign buyers tend to pay in cash.

    New builds account for only 8.5% of total property sales. The rate of new dwelling construction has therefore only a marginal effect on house prices.

    Many house price indices, particularly those compiled by estate agents, are based on asking price rather than transaction price. Asking prices increase in line with consumer confidence in the housing market and the volume of pre-sales activity. Asking prices tend to be more volatile than transaction prices, with higher short term peaks. Media coverage of house price rises unsurprisingly picks on the peaks.

    Valuations commissioned by bank lenders are key constraints on increases in completion prices. If surveyors take a documentary view of price rises in a particular location, i.e. derive their valuations from historical transaction prices rather than estate agents' claims of asking price levels, then valuation surveys will become an important determinant of pricing. It doesn't matter how much a seller asks for if a bank is not prepared to lend at that value.

    The current mortgage market is flat: new lending is being matched by capital repayments. Volumes of mortgage approvals are rising, from 68,228 in July 69,642 in August, a 2.07% increase. But the average value per approval fell over the same period from £158,400 in July to £156,800 in August, a fall of 1.01%. The prior six month average mortgage approval value is £156,000.

    The above BBA stats may demonstrate that a greater proportion of lower than average value, new build properties are being purchased, but more probably they show that press and estate estate stories of "7%" rises are more hopeful thinking than reality.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Charles said:

    tim said:

    First Hunt, now the DoH

    ITV News ‏@itvnews
    Department of Health forced to apologise over emails used to 'smear' Andy Burnham http://itv.co/GFk98t from Libby Wiener

    Diminishing returns on Hunt's untruths from now on.

    Just to be clear, they apologised for not consulting him prior to release, due to an oversight.

    Nothing else. Don't imply something that's not true
    You are asking him to change a habit of a lifetime
  • Less is more....
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SkyNews: FT FRONT PAGE: "Osborne to claim victory as IMF ends attack on austerity" #skypapers http://t.co/0vTm3Puvwz

    Paging Ed Balls...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,315
    edited October 2013
    Comrades! Looks like we're still on course for our Glorious Revolution of 2015!
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    SeanT said:

    It's pretty much as you were, going by the graph.

    I take it the same is true of the yellows and purples?

    But "as you were" is arguably a victory for Ed. Prior to the Conferences the Tories were zeroing in on polling equality, and an actual lead looked feasible. With his cunning energy price pledge, and his core-pleasing Dacre-bashing, Ed has halted the tide and bought himself time, and authority.

    He is quite a canny politician, on a tactical level. But so - sometimes - is Geo Osborne Esq.
    Interesting analysis. Labour's issue now is that it's under temporal pressure to hold rather than push, it has a firewall but not as quite as big or necessarily as strong as it would like.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    tim said:

    First Hunt, now the DoH

    ITV News ‏@itvnews
    Department of Health forced to apologise over emails used to 'smear' Andy Burnham http://itv.co/GFk98t from Libby Wiener

    Diminishing returns on Hunt's untruths from now on.

    The DoH are apologising for the leak of the emails not their content.

    Hunt's alleged defamatory tweet has not been withdrawn nor has he issued an apology, merely a clarification of his core allegation.

    Should I be booking a seat in the gallery of the libel courts, tim?

  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    @SeanT "Moreover, as a journalist, I have seen the way the publicly-funded, advert-free BBC is sucking the life out of newspapers that have to make a profit (so much so, even the Guardian is now complaining)."

    That is the key point which is consistently ignored. How many people go to the BBC website for their 'news'. It has too much power.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,112
    Are there any predictions for what the Q3 GDP figures will be?
  • RedRag1RedRag1 Posts: 527

    Comrades! Looks like we're still on course for our Glorious Revolution of 2015!

    Comrade, was it ever in doubt? Once we had Sunil onside it was a forgone conclusion. We now have 19 months of glorious retribution as one by one the PB Hodges realise that the 2015 election is lost and turn on Cameron and Osborne and both cheeks of the same arse blame each other.

  • RobD said:

    Are there any predictions for what the Q3 GDP figures will be?

    The wrong sort of numbers and the wrong time for them to appear...circa 1pct I think we're up to now!

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PickardJE: IMF drops criticism of Osborne austerity drive after lifting UK growth forecast by more than any other major economy http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e476dd06-2ff2-11e3-9eec-00144feab7de.html?siteedition=uk

    ...and the PB Kinnocks are whining.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Investigating David Kelly, and the role of government in it would be most interesting to our popular press. I wish him well.

    If I had known he was a railway enthusiast I would have been less bothered by him ousting Jeremy Browne. Railway enthusiasts are definitely good eggs.
    tim said:

    Open season on Norman Baker.

    Telegraph Politics ‏@TelePolitics
    Blog: Did the Freemasons stage the moon landings? If so, new Home Office minister Norman Baker will find out… http://tgr.ph/GMc8ij

    Iain Martin ‏@iainmartin1
    The secret life of Norman Baker (my @Telegraph blog - involves coup attempt, giant white rabbit + Jeremy Browne) http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100240438/the-secret-life-of-norman-baker-minister-railway-enthusiast-and-investigator-of-international-conspiracies/

    You could feel sorry for him until you remember he wrote that David Kelly's wife could be involved in the cover up.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Mr. T, on F1 you're being far too charitable.

    It is solely due to the BBC's deliberate approach to a pay TV organisation (namely Sky) that F1 is, for the first time ever, not wholly free-to-air.

    The BBC did this to ensure that a terrestrial rival (perhaps Channel 4) did not get F1. It looked after the BBC's interest, and didn't give a toss about the viewer. They deliberately shafted the licence fee-payer.

    At the same time as F1 was deemed 'too expensive' (£30m), it spent £20m on the concept [NB just the concept, not studio, set design etc etc] of The Voice.
  • Kinnock had john Smith, ed is stuck with someone getting closer to blanchflower in terms of credibility....
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Greek wages increased faster then ever in the noughties, well ahead of inflation.

    But no problems arose as a result did they?
    SeanT said:

    tim said:

    1.4% growth, and the PB Tories are cheering

    "In real terms, the average earnings of UK employees in 2012 were at roughly 2003 levels, a new article from ONS has shown. After three decades of strong growth, real wages peaked in 2009. Since then inflation has outstripped wage increases in cash terms."

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/mro/news-release/real-wages-fall-back-to-2003-levels/realearn0213.html

    Incomes have flatlined in Germany for years: this is the main reason for their "success" - holding down incomes so as to remain competitive.

    "From 2000 to 2009, real incomes among German workers fell by 4.5 percent, according to numbers adjusted for inflation and released by the International Labor Organization (ILO) on Wednesday."


    http://www.dw.de/wage-stagnation-the-other-side-of-germanys-economic-story/a-6346893

    You laud Germany for its success in holding down "costs" - i.e. wages. Yet, when the same process happens in the UK - as it will happen in every western country that honestly confronts Asian competition - then it is disastrous.

    You are being rather boringly stupid.

  • RedRag1RedRag1 Posts: 527
    The question is, how long before the intelligent Tories realise 2015 is lost. I reckon it will be June or July next year. Their party will have been spanked again locally but also in the Euros. This will make the now withering membership even more downbeat as hundreds of councillors will depart and quite a few will go noisily. They will be then working behind the scenes to push people in place for the inevitable fall of Cameron and the blaming of Osborne.The PB Hodges will realise some time in June 2015 as it will take them a month to get over the result of the next general election.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    Is Mr Harper posting again?
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited October 2013
    Scott_P said:

    @SkyNews: FT FRONT PAGE: "Osborne to claim victory as IMF ends attack on austerity" #skypapers http://t.co/0vTm3Puvwz

    Paging Ed Balls...

    In truth, the IMF were divided back in March-April of this year. The Board of the IMF gave Osborne full support for his economic plans.

    It was a faction within the IMF below board level that was briefing against the UK and Osborne, That faction was led by the slippery, garlic scented, French and MIT trained economist Olivier Blancmange, of whom Paul Krugman wrote in NYT blog:

    Olivier Blancmange Isn’t Very Serious

    ... That’s a very good thing. What’s even better is that as the chief economist at the IMF, he’s helping make at least one international institution less austerity-mad than the others.


    Interesting too to note that back in April, Ed Conway was conniving with Blancmange to spread tittle-tattle about Osborne across the airwaves.

    So what fun it is to see Ed Conway distancing himself from Blancmange on Sky News today.


  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    Q1 was 0.4%
    Q2 was 0.7%
    Q3 forecasts:1.0%, 1.2% (think I saw a 0.8% figure somewhere).

    I still don't quite understand how 1.2% or 1.4% is a likely yearly growth rate.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Mr. Rag, one suspects if you'd been a Roman citizen during the Second Punic War you'd have asked your fellow citizens when they'd realise the war was lost.

    The next election could go in many directions.
  • I believe newsnight had cookie monster interviewed last night on reshuffle day, did I miss it has he replaced balls? A step up by Ed then and len will pleased too?
  • RedRag1RedRag1 Posts: 527
    AveryLP said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SkyNews: FT FRONT PAGE: "Osborne to claim victory as IMF ends attack on austerity" #skypapers http://t.co/0vTm3Puvwz

    Paging Ed Balls...

    In truth, the IMF were divided back in March-April of this year. The Board of the IMF gave Osborne full support for his economic plans.

    It was a faction within the IMF below board level that was briefing against the UK and Osborne, That faction was led by the slippery, garlic scented, French and MIT trained economist Olivier Blancmange, of whom Paul Krugman wrote in NYT blog:

    Olivier Blancmange Isn’t Very Serious

    ... That’s a very good thing. What’s even better is that as the chief economist at the IMF, he’s helping make at least one international institution less austerity-mad than the others.


    Interesting too to note that back in April, Ed Conway was conniving with Blancmange to spread tittle-tattle about Osborne across the airwaves.

    So what fun it is to see Ed Conway distancing himself from Blancmange on Sky News today.


    When the Tories lose the next election and Osborne is blamed just as much as Cameron, who will your new avatar be? Or will you just change names and start again with someone in the shadow cabinet.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Mr. LP, Conway lost the right to be taken seriously when on Budget Day he decided to ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer repeatedly whether he'd travelled second class on a train. Numpty.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited October 2013
    Grandiose said:

    Q1 was 0.4%
    Q2 was 0.7%
    Q3 forecasts:1.0%, 1.2% (think I saw a 0.8% figure somewhere).

    I still don't quite understand how 1.2% or 1.4% is a likely yearly growth rate.

    The IMF figure is the four quarter on prior year quarter growth rates averaged into an annual rate. The OECD use a similar metric.

    The ONS growth rate is quarter on previous quarter. Its annual growth rate is the product of the four quarter on quarter growth rates.



  • Mr. Rag, one suspects if you'd been a Roman citizen during the Second Punic War you'd have asked your fellow citizens when they'd realise the war was lost.

    The next election could go in many directions.

    It couldn't be, red rag is close to the name sion simon....he wrote in a similar manner I believe...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,230
    RedRag1 said:

    The question is, how long before the intelligent Tories realise 2015 is lost. I reckon it will be June or July next year.

    How long before the intelligent Socialists realise Socialism ain't very popular....

    We are two thirds of the way through this coalition Government. Seven more quarters of growth before people are asked to vote on whether they think Labour has any credibility to do better than that.

    The last Labour Govt. 2005-2010 achieved zero point zero percent growth.

    Labour. Why would you?

    Ed Miliband will never be Prime Minister.

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited October 2013
    Calling seanT,you will love the front of the mail ;-)

    Daily mail front page - MI5 chief :Guardian has handed a gift to terrorist.


    http://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/86147/the_daily_mail_tuesday_8th_october_2013.html
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Mr. Scrapheap, are you suggesting Mr. Rag is showing the same self-confidence as this chap?:
    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/conference/2007/09/labour-majority-increase
  • RedRag1RedRag1 Posts: 527

    Mr. Rag, one suspects if you'd been a Roman citizen during the Second Punic War you'd have asked your fellow citizens when they'd realise the war was lost.

    The next election could go in many directions.

    No it cannot. The percentage of people opposed to the coalition, the fact the Tories fcuked up the boundaries changes and the outright hatred of the party in blue across swathes of the country will be enough to give Labour a majority. I will enjoy the next 19 months as one by one people on here realise this. Will the last PB Hodge in denial in May 2015 please turn off the light.

    Of course King Dan will decide before the election to u-turn again, not out of conviction, but to be Murdochesque and back the winning side by quoting a few Tory policies which were "red lines", which will infuriate the PB Hodges.

    19 months......tick tock to realisation.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    No it cannot, Mr. Rag?

    It may be that Labour wins an outright majority but the alternatives do not have a 0% chance of happening.

    PB Hodge: why do you and others so delight in the mass label applied to Those Who Disagree? I realise it's easier than engaging in debate and suggests some sort of mindless unity, but that is simply not true, and those who are regulars here realise that the ones who use such terms tend to have the least degree of objectivity and the highest degree of party loyalty (to Labour).

    Perhaps you ought to be known as PB Simons, or PB McBrides. Or perhaps we could focus on attacking arguments rather than labelling people.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Anyway, I am off for the night.
  • Mr. Scrapheap, are you suggesting Mr. Rag is showing the same self-confidence as this chap?:
    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/conference/2007/09/labour-majority-increase

    It's uncanny isn't it and yet touching almost sweet.
  • RedRag1RedRag1 Posts: 527
    I remember quite a few months back, him with the avatar of the right cheek of the arse stating the Labour/Tory lead crossover in the polls as being imminent.....still waiting.
  • RedRag1RedRag1 Posts: 527
    edited October 2013

    No it cannot, Mr. Rag?

    It may be that Labour wins an outright majority but the alternatives do not have a 0% chance of happening.

    PB Hodge: why do you and others so delight in the mass label applied to Those Who Disagree? I realise it's easier than engaging in debate and suggests some sort of mindless unity, but that is simply not true, and those who are regulars here realise that the ones who use such terms tend to have the least degree of objectivity and the highest degree of party loyalty (to Labour).

    Perhaps you ought to be known as PB Simons, or PB McBrides. Or perhaps we could focus on attacking arguments rather than labelling people.

    I refer to them as PB Hodges as they delight in linking to his articles. Sweet dreams.
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    AveryLP said:

    Grandiose said:

    Q1 was 0.4%
    Q2 was 0.7%
    Q3 forecasts:1.0%, 1.2% (think I saw a 0.8% figure somewhere).

    I still don't quite understand how 1.2% or 1.4% is a likely yearly growth rate.

    The IMF figure is the four quarter on prior year quarter growth rates averaged into an annual rate. The OECD use a similar metric.

    The ONS growth rate is quarter on previous quarter. Its annual growth rate is the product of the four quarter on quarter growth rates.



    Thank Avery.

    Their 2014 figure is 1.9%. If I assumed that the growth rate in subsequent quarters is all 0.5% and Q3=1%, which does not seem unreasonably high, then 2014 should be (2.7+2.5+2+2)/4 = 2.3%.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    RobD said:

    A lot of froth, but no change in the headline numbers. There have been big shifts in the fundamentals though, with Eds approval rising amongst Labour supporters, for instance.

    But still well below where they were a year ago......

  • RedRag1RedRag1 Posts: 527
    edited October 2013
    Read in I think it was The Mail and The Express today that "The lights might go out this Winter".....who do you think this will work out well for politically? It was obviously a load of Osborne, but with papers saying the lights may go out at the same time as the big utility companies are making many millions, wonder how this fares with most of the public?
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    RobD said:

    Are there any predictions for what the Q3 GDP figures will be?

    Current SWIFT Index 'nowcast' is 0.8% for Q3. They have one more 'nowcast' to go before the ONS gives its preliminary estimate.

    The third of the three SWIFT 'nowcasts' uses a slightly different methodology to the middle 'nowcast', as it includes more published ONS data to add to its own SWIFT payments traffic data. For Q2 for example, SWIFT's second 'nowcast' was for 0.1% before jumping to 0.7% for their third and final 'nowcast'. So we need to be cautious about the 0.8% nowcast.

    If the Markit PMIs are taken as true indicators of GDP growth then 1.2% is the current forecast but economists are cautious of using PMIs to predict GDP outcomes as they tend to be based on mixture of soft confidence data and hard metrics.

    So a range of 0.8% - 1.2% is as good as we can get today,
  • RedRag1 said:

    The question is, how long before the intelligent Tories realise 2015 is lost. I reckon it will be June or July next year.

    How long before the intelligent Socialists realise Socialism ain't very popular....

    We are two thirds of the way through this coalition Government. Seven more quarters of growth before people are asked to vote on whether they think Labour has any credibility to do better than that.

    The last Labour Govt. 2005-2010 achieved zero point zero percent growth.

    Labour. Why would you?

    Ed Miliband will never be Prime Minister.

    If Dave couldn't even win a majority against Gordon, he'll hardly have a chance of winning one against Ed!
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    edited October 2013
    2012 Q2 -0.5
    2012 Q3 0.6
    2012 Q4 -0.3
    2013 Q1 0.4 | y-o-y = 0.2%
    2013 Q2 0.7 | y-o-y = 1.3%
    2013 Q3 [1.0%] | y-o-y = 1.8%
    2013 Q4 [x] |y-o-y=~ 2.1+x%

    (0.2%+1.3%+1.8%+2.1%+x)/4=1.4%
    (x+5.4)/4=1.4%
    x+5.4=5.6%
    x=0.2%

    So the IMF are predicting ~0.2% growth in 2013 Q4 or less than 1% in Q3?

    Sounds plausible.


  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,423
    Looks like the polls have pretty much finished back where they started. As they always do.

    Next point that could have polling implications will be the Q3 GDP numbers at the end of the month.
  • RedRag1RedRag1 Posts: 527
    edited October 2013

    RedRag1 said:

    The question is, how long before the intelligent Tories realise 2015 is lost. I reckon it will be June or July next year.

    How long before the intelligent Socialists realise Socialism ain't very popular....

    We are two thirds of the way through this coalition Government. Seven more quarters of growth before people are asked to vote on whether they think Labour has any credibility to do better than that.

    The last Labour Govt. 2005-2010 achieved zero point zero percent growth.

    Labour. Why would you?

    Ed Miliband will never be Prime Minister.

    If Dave couldn't even win a majority against Gordon, he'll hardly have a chance of winning one against Ed!
    Strange that comrade, I was about to post that myself. If he cannot win a majority against one of the most attacked PM's in modern history....ah well, he can always blame Gideon in his resignation speech. He is running out of time to start a war.
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    GIN1138 said:

    Looks like the polls have pretty much finished back where they started. As they always do.

    Next point that could have polling implications will be the Q3 GDP numbers at the end of the month.

    Half the picture.

    The other half will be if people feel like the recovery is theirs not somebody else's.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    RedRag1 said:

    Read in I think it was The Mail and The Express today that "The lights might go out this Winter".....who do you think this will work out well for politically? It was obviously a load of Osborne, but with papers saying the lights may go out at the same time as the big utility companies are making many millions, wonder how this fares with most of the public?

    "making many millions"

    Chuckle. Do you normally use crayons?
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited October 2013
    [Edited - already covered upthread]
  • RedRag1RedRag1 Posts: 527
    edited October 2013
    Grandiose said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Looks like the polls have pretty much finished back where they started. As they always do.

    Next point that could have polling implications will be the Q3 GDP numbers at the end of the month.

    Half the picture.

    The other half will be if people feel like the recovery is theirs not somebody else's.
    Very true. If we start seeing people with *ahem* quite a bit of money making even more money appearing on the news telling us how the country is booming. Whilst the vast majority see their wages either not moving or getting minimal rises whilst inflation is at 2-3%. It doesn't matter what the GDP figures say, the majority will see themselves working for the minority.
  • Genuine question. By the time of the next ge what are the predicted changes in UK public and private sector employees since the last ge. I maintain last time there was some cling to nurse even with my antihero as pm.
  • RedRag1RedRag1 Posts: 527
    notme said:

    RedRag1 said:

    Read in I think it was The Mail and The Express today that "The lights might go out this Winter".....who do you think this will work out well for politically? It was obviously a load of Osborne, but with papers saying the lights may go out at the same time as the big utility companies are making many millions, wonder how this fares with most of the public?

    "making many millions"

    Chuckle. Do you normally use crayons?
    Chuckle.....is that some kind of 80's brother?
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Grandiose said:

    AveryLP said:

    Grandiose said:

    Q1 was 0.4%
    Q2 was 0.7%
    Q3 forecasts:1.0%, 1.2% (think I saw a 0.8% figure somewhere).

    I still don't quite understand how 1.2% or 1.4% is a likely yearly growth rate.

    The IMF figure is the four quarter on prior year quarter growth rates averaged into an annual rate. The OECD use a similar metric.

    The ONS growth rate is quarter on previous quarter. Its annual growth rate is the product of the four quarter on quarter growth rates.



    Thank Avery.

    Their 2014 figure is 1.9%. If I assumed that the growth rate in subsequent quarters is all 0.5% and Q3=1%, which does not seem unreasonably high, then 2014 should be (2.7+2.5+2+2)/4 = 2.3%.
    It looks as if I spoke too soon. I assumed that the OECD calculation was used by the IMF. With the WEO up in front of me, the growth rates are given as "Year over Year" for the annual percentages and "Q4 over Q4" for the last three columns.

    Back to the drawing board!
  • [Edited - already covered upthread]

    The sion simon resurrection presumably???
  • I wonder whether perhaps some more government emails from the Labour years might accidentally be released without consulting the relevant ex-minister, in a regrettable breach of protocol?
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    AveryLP said:

    Grandiose said:

    AveryLP said:

    Grandiose said:

    Q1 was 0.4%
    Q2 was 0.7%
    Q3 forecasts:1.0%, 1.2% (think I saw a 0.8% figure somewhere).

    I still don't quite understand how 1.2% or 1.4% is a likely yearly growth rate.

    The IMF figure is the four quarter on prior year quarter growth rates averaged into an annual rate. The OECD use a similar metric.

    The ONS growth rate is quarter on previous quarter. Its annual growth rate is the product of the four quarter on quarter growth rates.



    Thank Avery.

    Their 2014 figure is 1.9%. If I assumed that the growth rate in subsequent quarters is all 0.5% and Q3=1%, which does not seem unreasonably high, then 2014 should be (2.7+2.5+2+2)/4 = 2.3%.
    It looks as if I spoke too soon. I assumed that the OECD calculation was used by the IMF. With the WEO up in front of me, the growth rates are given as "Year over Year" for the annual percentages and "Q4 over Q4" for the last three columns.

    Back to the drawing board!
    The numbers come back much closer to the OECD ones than the ONS ones at least.
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    RedRag1 said:

    Read in I think it was The Mail and The Express today that "The lights might go out this Winter".....who do you think this will work out well for politically? It was obviously a load of Osborne, but with papers saying the lights may go out at the same time as the big utility companies are making many millions, wonder how this fares with most of the public?

    With The Daily Mail and The Express the probability of the lights going out is inversely proportional to the size of the headline.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,112
    tim said:

    @RichardNabavi

    What do you make of the Iran thaw, Rouhani appears to be the real deal doesn't he?

    Guardian readers seem to think so!
  • JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400

    Genuine question. By the time of the next ge what are the predicted changes in UK public and private sector employees since the last ge. I maintain last time there was some cling to nurse even with my antihero as pm.

    Avery will have a better source but the OBR was estimating

    "Total market sector employment is expected to rise by around 2.6 million
    between the start of 2011 and the start of 2018, more than offsetting the total
    reduction in general government employment of around 1.2 million. Excluding
    the reclassification of almost 200,000 employees from the public to the private
    sector in 2012, market sector employment is forecast to rise by 2.4 million and
    public sector employment to fall by 1 million"

    http://cdn.budgetresponsibility.independent.gov.uk/March-2013-EFO-44734674673453.pdf

    p75
  • tim said:

    @RichardNabavi

    What do you make of the Iran thaw, Rouhani appears to be the real deal doesn't he?

    Certainly looking quite encouraging, and the best chance of real progress for some years. I think the main doubt is not so much Rouhani himself (everyone will agree that he's a big improvement on Ahmadinejad), as whether he really does have authority in the shifting sands of the various power struggles.
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited October 2013
    tim said:

    I wonder whether perhaps some more government emails from the Labour years might accidentally be released without consulting the relevant ex-minister, in a regrettable breach of protocol?

    The CQC Chair is James Priors son and the Tory MP beaten by Norman Lamb,I think he's a likely source
    I thought they were released in response to an FOI request?
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    RedRag1 said:

    Grandiose said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Looks like the polls have pretty much finished back where they started. As they always do.

    Next point that could have polling implications will be the Q3 GDP numbers at the end of the month.

    Half the picture.

    The other half will be if people feel like the recovery is theirs not somebody else's.
    Very true. If we start seeing people with *ahem* quite a bit of money making even more money appearing on the news telling us how the country is booming. Whilst the vast majority see their wages either not moving or getting minimal rises whilst inflation is at 2-3%. It doesn't matter what the GDP figures say, the majority will see themselves working for the minority.
    Do the millions working for the State consider that they are working for a minority? Typical leftie self-pitying guff.

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Grandiose said:

    AveryLP said:

    Grandiose said:

    AveryLP said:

    Grandiose said:

    Q1 was 0.4%
    Q2 was 0.7%
    Q3 forecasts:1.0%, 1.2% (think I saw a 0.8% figure somewhere).

    I still don't quite understand how 1.2% or 1.4% is a likely yearly growth rate.

    The IMF figure is the four quarter on prior year quarter growth rates averaged into an annual rate. The OECD use a similar metric.

    The ONS growth rate is quarter on previous quarter. Its annual growth rate is the product of the four quarter on quarter growth rates.



    Thank Avery.

    Their 2014 figure is 1.9%. If I assumed that the growth rate in subsequent quarters is all 0.5% and Q3=1%, which does not seem unreasonably high, then 2014 should be (2.7+2.5+2+2)/4 = 2.3%.
    It looks as if I spoke too soon. I assumed that the OECD calculation was used by the IMF. With the WEO up in front of me, the growth rates are given as "Year over Year" for the annual percentages and "Q4 over Q4" for the last three columns.

    Back to the drawing board!
    The numbers come back much closer to the OECD ones than the ONS ones at least.
    OECD and the IMF have currency exchange ops to to further muddy the water.

    I know from playing with OECD datasets that the source for their GDP growth figures are the actual GDP figures released by the ONS in Sterling (and of course regularly revised, so you need a release date or issue reference to cross-check). Then they apply a currency conversion to Euros before calculating the growth percentages. The forex sometimes result in ONS percentages not matching the OECD ones.

    I guess the IMF figures will also be sensitive to their exchange rate methodology, There is a footnote to main GDP table: "Note: Real effective exchange rates are assumed to remain constant at the levels prevailing during July 29–August 26, 2013. The aggregated quarterly data are seasonally adjusted." Make of that what you will!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Useless fact:

    TripAdvisor lists 12,471 restaurants in the London area:

    http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurants-g186338-London_England.html
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited October 2013
    AndyJS said:

    Useless fact:

    TripAdvisor lists 12,471 restaurants in the London area:

    http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurants-g186338-London_England.html

    That number includes the following types:

    African (73)
    American (371)
    Asian (395)
    Bakery (109)
    Barbecue (27)
    British (1,994)
    Café (540)
    Cajun & Creole (1)
    Caribbean (77)
    Chinese (479)
    Continental (59)
    Delicatessen (123)
    Dessert (101)
    Eastern European (30)
    European (968)
    French (535)
    Fusion (85)
    German (9)
    Global/International (324)
    Greek (89)
    Indian (914)
    Irish (24)
    Italian (1,315)
    Japanese (337)
    Mediterranean (480)
    Mexican/Southwestern (127)
    Middle Eastern (244)
    Pizza (189)
    Pub (540)
    Seafood (158)
    Soups (9)
    South American (113)
    Spanish (219)
    Steakhouse (98)
    Sushi (59)
    Thai (350)
    Vegetarian (174)
    Vietnamese (88)
  • tim said:

    @RichardNabavi

    What do you make of the Iran thaw, Rouhani appears to be the real deal doesn't he?

    Certainly looking quite encouraging, and the best chance of real progress for some years. I think the main doubt is not so much Rouhani himself (everyone will agree that he's a big improvement on Ahmadinejad), as whether he really does have authority in the shifting sands of the various power struggles.
    Rouhani seems to be willing to talk and there is some promise there but it depends on how much authority he has from the Ayatollah. Khamenei is 74 and was rumoured to be in poor health a few years back so you would think some of the senior Iranian figures must have one eye on the succession. Certainly no harm in talking.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Scotsman - 99% of Royal Mail staff accept free shares

    "NINETY-nine per cent of Royal Mail employees have taken up free shares in the newly privatised company, the government has revealed.

    The employee scheme was a key part of the government’s privatisation of Royal Mail and just 368 of its 150,000 staff have opted out."
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    "In other news. The Scottish Government today bought a £2m a year loss making airport...with your cash! Pure Dead Nationalised!" This is crazy, the SNP want rid of Trident at Faslane, and the guaranteed business that the UK MOD provide for our shipbuilders. But they have bought a loss making airport which sits very much in the shadow of Glasgow or Edinburgh!? I could have understood if it was the beach on Barra, or maybe Shetland and Stornoway. By the way, coming into land in a flying sardine can at Stornoway is exhilarating!! I was attending a wedding, the bride was at the airport to meet me as I was staying with her and her family. My first words were 'you could have warned me', her reply was 'I know you hate flying, so if I did you wouldn't have got on the plane! :)

    BBC - Glasgow Prestwick Airport to be taken into public ownership
    "The Scottish government has confirmed that it plans to take Glasgow Prestwick Airport into public ownership.

    The step was confirmed in a statement by Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon in the Scottish Parliament.

    The airport, which was put up for sale last March by New Zealand-based owners Infratil, has been running annual losses of £2m.

    Ryanair, which operates 27 routes from Prestwick, has welcomed the government takeover.

    Ministers will now enter detailed negotiations with Infratil on the terms of sale.

    Ms Sturgeon told MSPs some private investors had expressed an interest in the airport but it had become clear none was able to commit to buying Prestwick on a timescale that was acceptable to Infratil.

    She said the Infratil board had been considering its options, one of which was to seek commercial discussions with a view to public sector ownership and the other being to close the airport."
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited October 2013
    @Grandiose

    IMF GDP Growth Figures

    Turns out there is a very simple calculation involved. You just need access to the WEO (World Economic Outlook) Subject Code (i.e. data series) NGDP_R.

    This is described as:

    Subject: Gross domestic product, constant prices

    Descriptor: Expressed in billions of national currency units; the base year is country-specific.

    Subject Notes: Expenditure-based GDP is total final expenditures at purchasers' prices (including the f.o.b. value of exports of goods and services) less the f.o.b. value of imports of goods and services. [SNA 1993]

    Units: National Currency (Sterling Pounds)
    Scale: Billions

    Source: National Statistical Office (ONS?)
    Latest Actual Data: 2012
    National Accounts Manual Used: ESA 1995
    GDP Valuation: Market Prices
    Period: Calendar Year
    Base Year: 2010
    Chain Weighted: Yes
    Primary Domestic Currency: Sterling Pounds
    Data last updated: 09/2013


    And here is the data series:
    =========================            
    Year NGDP_R Annual
    Increase
    -------------------------
    2009 1461.361 |
    2010 1485.616 1.7% | ONS
    2011 1502.216 1.1% | Outcomes
    2012 1504.777 0.2% |
    2013 1526.344 1.4% |
    2014 1554.877 1.9% |
    2015 1585.637 2.0% | IMF
    2016 1617.023 2.0% | Forecasts
    2017 1650.266 2.1% |
    2018 1688.537 2.3% |
    =========================
    For the actual outcomes between 2009-2012, the figures are identical to the ONS ABMI series as contained in PN2_CSDB_DS.xls released on August 23 2013 as a downloadable dataset for "Second Estimate of GDP, Q2 2013".

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,112
    AveryLP said:

    @Grandiose

    IMF GDP Growth Figures

    I see their projections assume a Tory victory at the next GE ;-)
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,112
    Hm, of course, IMF predictions are often wrong, as demonstrated today.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited October 2013
    RobD said:

    AveryLP said:

    @Grandiose

    IMF GDP Growth Figures

    I see their projections assume a Tory victory at the next GE ;-)
    Not so fast, RobD.

    The influence of the surrender-monkey Blancmange is evident.

    As we now know that the IMF are using the ONS series for real GDP ("Gross Domestic Product; Chained volume measures: Seasonally Adjusted") and, as this series is used - at a quarterly level - for headline GDP growth figures as announced by the ONS to the UK media, then ....

    the 1.4% figure already includes the 0.4% Q1, 0.7% Q2 figures, so ...

    the IMF are forecasting that Q3 and Q4 growth combined will be only 0.3%.

    So the IMF may have given the UK the highest upgrade in the world but their forecast is still well below what the final outcome is likely to be. If we take the current SWIFT nowcast of 0.8% for Q3 and its forecast of 0.5% for Q4, then the IMF may well have underestimated UK 2013 growth by a full 1.0%!

  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    Home Office peddling untruths.One more victory for Go Home Vans supporters` on PB.

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/oct/09/home-office-go-home-vans-banned
  • AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Useless fact:

    TripAdvisor lists 12,471 restaurants in the London area:

    http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurants-g186338-London_England.html

    That number includes the following types:

    African (73)
    American (371)
    Asian (395)
    Bakery (109)
    Barbecue (27)
    British (1,994)
    Café (540)
    Cajun & Creole (1)
    Caribbean (77)
    Chinese (479)
    Continental (59)
    Delicatessen (123)
    Dessert (101)
    Eastern European (30)
    European (968)
    French (535)
    Fusion (85)
    German (9)
    Global/International (324)
    Greek (89)
    Indian (914)
    Irish (24)
    Italian (1,315)
    Japanese (337)
    Mediterranean (480)
    Mexican/Southwestern (127)
    Middle Eastern (244)
    Pizza (189)
    Pub (540)
    Seafood (158)
    Soups (9)
    South American (113)
    Spanish (219)
    Steakhouse (98)
    Sushi (59)
    Thai (350)
    Vegetarian (174)
    Vietnamese (88)
    So, not a single English restaurant in the capital of England? That must make London unique among capital cities.

    It would be funny if it was not so sad.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,847

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Useless fact:

    TripAdvisor lists 12,471 restaurants in the London area:

    http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurants-g186338-London_England.html

    That number includes the following types:

    African (73)
    American (371)
    Asian (395)
    Bakery (109)
    Barbecue (27)
    British (1,994)
    Café (540)
    Cajun & Creole (1)
    Caribbean (77)
    Chinese (479)
    Continental (59)
    Delicatessen (123)
    Dessert (101)
    Eastern European (30)
    European (968)
    French (535)
    Fusion (85)
    German (9)
    Global/International (324)
    Greek (89)
    Indian (914)
    Irish (24)
    Italian (1,315)
    Japanese (337)
    Mediterranean (480)
    Mexican/Southwestern (127)
    Middle Eastern (244)
    Pizza (189)
    Pub (540)
    Seafood (158)
    Soups (9)
    South American (113)
    Spanish (219)
    Steakhouse (98)
    Sushi (59)
    Thai (350)
    Vegetarian (174)
    Vietnamese (88)
    So, not a single English restaurant in the capital of England? That must make London unique among capital cities.

    It would be funny if it was not so sad.
    I wonder what pie and mash shops come under. Inedible, perhaps? ;-)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,230



    So, not a single English restaurant in the capital of England? That must make London unique among capital cities.

    It would be funny if it was not so sad.

    1,994 restaurants still classed themselves as British. Not one wanted to be known as purveyors of Scottish cuisine.

    It would be sad if it were't so funny.

  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Useless fact:

    TripAdvisor lists 12,471 restaurants in the London area:

    http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurants-g186338-London_England.html

    That number includes the following types:

    African (73)
    American (371)
    Asian (395)
    Bakery (109)
    Barbecue (27)
    British (1,994)
    Café (540)
    Cajun & Creole (1)
    Caribbean (77)
    Chinese (479)
    Continental (59)
    Delicatessen (123)
    Dessert (101)
    Eastern European (30)
    European (968)
    French (535)
    Fusion (85)
    German (9)
    Global/International (324)
    Greek (89)
    Indian (914)
    Irish (24)
    Italian (1,315)
    Japanese (337)
    Mediterranean (480)
    Mexican/Southwestern (127)
    Middle Eastern (244)
    Pizza (189)
    Pub (540)
    Seafood (158)
    Soups (9)
    South American (113)
    Spanish (219)
    Steakhouse (98)
    Sushi (59)
    Thai (350)
    Vegetarian (174)
    Vietnamese (88)
    So, not a single English restaurant in the capital of England? That must make London unique among capital cities.

    It would be funny if it was not so sad.
    Oh dear - someone needs to get a life.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I wonder how many years it would take to eat at every restaurant in London...
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    No Russian restaurants which is odd since there used to be one just north of Regent's Park.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited October 2013
    There used to be a famous German restaurant in Charlotte Street called Schmidt's:

    "Ah, yes. Schmidt’s German restaurant of blessed memory, in Charlotte Street. As an impecunious student in central London in the late 50′s and early 60′s, I visited it frequently. The elderly waiters were indeed surly to the point of rudeness (except to German or Austrian expats of their own generation), but did provide silver service (when the food eventually arrived). The waiting times were unbelievable, but the food was cheap even by late ’50s standards and usually good. The Wiener Schnitzel was authentic; the braised pig’s knuckle (Schweinehaxe?) was both glutinous and tasty. I was delighted to find when I returned to London in 1974 from a decade abroad that Schmidt’s was still there, essentially unchanged, but alas, having dined myself out from there early in 1977 before a lengthy trip to Turkey, when I returned later that year Schmidt’s, its waiters, and its deli, had all disappeared, and in its place was a glorified pasta house. Sic transit, etc."

    http://news.fitzrovia.org.uk/2011/06/19/in-fitzrovia-news-ten-years-ago/
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    AndyJS said:

    No Russian restaurants which is odd since there used to be one just north of Regent's Park.

    http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g186338-d717842-Reviews-Borshtch_n_Tears-London_England.html
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Useless fact:

    TripAdvisor lists 12,471 restaurants in the London area:

    http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurants-g186338-London_England.html

    That number includes the following types:

    African (73)
    American (371)
    Asian (395)
    Bakery (109)
    Barbecue (27)
    British (1,994)
    Café (540)
    Cajun & Creole (1)
    Caribbean (77)
    Chinese (479)
    Continental (59)
    Delicatessen (123)
    Dessert (101)
    Eastern European (30)
    European (968)
    French (535)
    Fusion (85)
    German (9)
    Global/International (324)
    Greek (89)
    Indian (914)
    Irish (24)
    Italian (1,315)
    Japanese (337)
    Mediterranean (480)
    Mexican/Southwestern (127)
    Middle Eastern (244)
    Pizza (189)
    Pub (540)
    Seafood (158)
    Soups (9)
    South American (113)
    Spanish (219)
    Steakhouse (98)
    Sushi (59)
    Thai (350)
    Vegetarian (174)
    Vietnamese (88)
    So, not a single English restaurant in the capital of England? That must make London unique among capital cities.

    It would be funny if it was not so sad.
    http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g186338-d2468914-Reviews-Goodman_Canary_Wharf-London_England.html cuisine - English
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548



    So, not a single English restaurant in the capital of England? That must make London unique among capital cities.

    It would be funny if it was not so sad.

    1,994 restaurants still classed themselves as British. Not one wanted to be known as purveyors of Scottish cuisine.

    It would be sad if it were't so funny.

    http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g186338-d2180904-Reviews-Boisdale_Canary_Wharf-London_England.html cuisine - Scottish
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    AndyJS said:

    Useless fact:

    TripAdvisor lists 12,471 restaurants in the London area:

    http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurants-g186338-London_England.html

    12,471 by cuisine type, 2,024 by location or by price band. Think there's some overlaps in cuisine type
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Government to limit rail fare increases in the most egregious interference in the free market since Ed Miliband proposed doing the same with fuel prices: pb will be in uproar.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,047
    edited October 2013
    I recently had dinner at "The Scottish Restaurant" just off Princess street. Nice ambience but haggis in wraps of filo pastry with cranberry sauce which was what I started with to try to get into the mood was taking was taking the piss.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,847

    Government to limit rail fare increases in the most egregious interference in the free market since Ed Miliband proposed doing the same with fuel prices: pb will be in uproar.

    Tell me when you've completed your comprehensive apples and pears comparison, and declared them as being the same fruit.
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    Good morning, comrades.
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    Government to limit rail fare increases in the most egregious interference in the free market since Ed Miliband proposed doing the same with fuel prices: pb will be in uproar.

    Comrade Ozzy has been reading Comrade Ed's Little Red Book. It is Red October.

  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Useless fact:

    TripAdvisor lists 12,471 restaurants in the London area:

    http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurants-g186338-London_England.html

    That number includes the following types:

    African (73)
    American (371)
    Asian (395)
    Bakery (109)
    Barbecue (27)
    British (1,994)
    Café (540)
    Cajun & Creole (1)
    Caribbean (77)
    Chinese (479)
    Continental (59)
    Delicatessen (123)
    Dessert (101)
    Eastern European (30)
    European (968)
    French (535)
    Fusion (85)
    German (9)
    Global/International (324)
    Greek (89)
    Indian (914)
    Irish (24)
    Italian (1,315)
    Japanese (337)
    Mediterranean (480)
    Mexican/Southwestern (127)
    Middle Eastern (244)
    Pizza (189)
    Pub (540)
    Seafood (158)
    Soups (9)
    South American (113)
    Spanish (219)
    Steakhouse (98)
    Sushi (59)
    Thai (350)
    Vegetarian (174)
    Vietnamese (88)
    So, not a single English restaurant in the capital of England? That must make London unique among capital cities.

    It would be funny if it was not so sad.
    London is not the capital of England, it's the capital of the world, comrade.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,658
    Bobajob said:

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Useless fact:

    TripAdvisor lists 12,471 restaurants in the London area:

    http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurants-g186338-London_England.html

    That number includes the following types:

    African (73)
    American (371)
    Asian (395)
    Bakery (109)
    Barbecue (27)
    British (1,994)
    Café (540)
    Cajun & Creole (1)
    Caribbean (77)
    Chinese (479)
    Continental (59)
    Delicatessen (123)
    Dessert (101)
    Eastern European (30)
    European (968)
    French (535)
    Fusion (85)
    German (9)
    Global/International (324)
    Greek (89)
    Indian (914)
    Irish (24)
    Italian (1,315)
    Japanese (337)
    Mediterranean (480)
    Mexican/Southwestern (127)
    Middle Eastern (244)
    Pizza (189)
    Pub (540)
    Seafood (158)
    Soups (9)
    South American (113)
    Spanish (219)
    Steakhouse (98)
    Sushi (59)
    Thai (350)
    Vegetarian (174)
    Vietnamese (88)
    So, not a single English restaurant in the capital of England? That must make London unique among capital cities.

    It would be funny if it was not so sad.
    London is not the capital of England, it's the capital of the world, comrade.
    It's just you can't afford to live there. I think I might spend your taxes on a trip to the pub today :-).
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Government to limit rail fare increases in the most egregious interference in the free market since Ed Miliband proposed doing the same with fuel prices: pb will be in uproar.

    Tell me when you've completed your comprehensive apples and pears comparison, and declared them as being the same fruit.
    I think what you mean is that it is politically quite astute to protect Tory-leaning commuters; don't want them switching to UKIP. I wonder what the transport secretary's dad wrote in his diary.
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    What about Boisdale in SW1? I can assure McComrades it is 100% Scottish and is a great place to boot. Recommended.

    http://www.boisdale.co.uk/belgravia/
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