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  • eekeek Posts: 28,412
    It's a shame Eton's history curriculum seems to be the Romans, the Normans and 1837-1901....
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,504
    edited September 2018
    To be fair to Boris, the surviving Anglo-Saxon aristocracy finally submitted at Berkhamsted later in 1066, although there were sporadic revolts until 1071 or so.

    Edit. Date correction.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited September 2018

    Nothing on Ruth Davison ruling herself out of a run for Conservative Leader though I see TSE?

    I tried writing a thread on that but I failed.

    What I wrote ended up being rather callous, or patronising, or somewhat cynical towards Ruth Davidson.

    It was very hard to get the right tone on such a moving and sensitive topic.

    Is for the same reasons I haven’t done a thread on Alex Salmond’s recent issues.
    Ruth Davidson has continued to build street credibility amongst the young especially in Scotland. She has so far been loyal to TM but clearly hates BJ. She is part of the reason that Boris will never by PM of the UK.
    In 2011 the final YouGov had Anabelle Goldie's Conservatives with 18% of the 18-24 year old vote. 2016 had Ruth, credibility amongst the young, with 15%.

    Ruth's Scottish base is Brexiters and Brexiters are old.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited September 2018
    To be more specific YouGov had the Con vote share down amongst all age groups barring OAPs where it was up massively.

    There is an incredible narrative around who Ruth is enthusing amongst Scottish voters that the numbers completely defy.
  • They don’t need to be, because the UK is bluffing.
  • Hmm, who to believe - a large employer or a fanatic:

    https://twitter.com/HuffPostUKPol/status/1041615245675048960
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413

    They don’t need to be, because the UK is bluffing.
    as is Europe
  • They don’t need to be, because the UK is bluffing.
    as is Europe
    About what? It’s immaterial if the UK isn’t able to follow through on its own bluff.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413

    They don’t need to be, because the UK is bluffing.
    as is Europe
    About what? It’s immaterial if the UK isn’t able to follow through on its own bluff.
    Europe needs a deal too or Ireland is screwed
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    Who are John and Susan Cooper?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,504

    Hmm, who to believe - a large employer or a fanatic:

    https://twitter.com/HuffPostUKPol/status/1041615245675048960

    'Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad’ comes to mind.
  • TOPPING said:

    Who are John and Susan Cooper?
    The couple who died in Egypt.
  • They don’t need to be, because the UK is bluffing.
    as is Europe
    About what? It’s immaterial if the UK isn’t able to follow through on its own bluff.
    Europe needs a deal too or Ireland is screwed
    In the same sense that Europe needed a deal with Greece or their banks would have been screwed.
  • TOPPING said:

    Who are John and Susan Cooper?
    The couple who died on a Thomas Cook holiday in Egypt.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    TOPPING said:

    Who are John and Susan Cooper?
    The couple who died in Egypt.
    ah right thanks
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    If anybody is struggling to get through work today, just console yourself with the thought that we have a Theresa May Special to look forward to on TV tonight.
  • They don’t need to be, because the UK is bluffing.
    as is Europe
    About what? It’s immaterial if the UK isn’t able to follow through on its own bluff.
    Europe needs a deal too or Ireland is screwed
    In the same sense that Europe needed a deal with Greece or their banks would have been screwed.
    Difference is the UK isn't bankrupt unlike Greece.
  • Hmm, who to believe - a large employer or a fanatic:

    The most revealing thing he said was that he never wanted to leave the EU. Brexit campaigners will end up blaming the voters for their unwanted victory.

    https://twitter.com/haggis_uk/status/1041610612692983809?s=21
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    edited September 2018
    Is William the Conquerer's harrying of the north an early (and late) entry for pb's callous dictator of the year award?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301

    They don’t need to be, because the UK is bluffing.
    as is Europe
    About what? It’s immaterial if the UK isn’t able to follow through on its own bluff.
    Europe needs a deal too or Ireland is screwed
    The EU was quite prepared to do a lot worse to Greece.
  • They don’t need to be, because the UK is bluffing.
    as is Europe
    About what? It’s immaterial if the UK isn’t able to follow through on its own bluff.
    Europe needs a deal too or Ireland is screwed
    In the same sense that Europe needed a deal with Greece or their banks would have been screwed.
    Did Greece have a 'land bridge' across a third country for 95% of its freight?
  • They don’t need to be, because the UK is bluffing.
    as is Europe
    About what? It’s immaterial if the UK isn’t able to follow through on its own bluff.
    Europe needs a deal too or Ireland is screwed
    In the same sense that Europe needed a deal with Greece or their banks would have been screwed.
    Difference is the UK isn't bankrupt unlike Greece.
    For the UK a no deal Brexit is no more credible than leaving the Euro was for Greece.
  • They don’t need to be, because the UK is bluffing.
    as is Europe
    About what? It’s immaterial if the UK isn’t able to follow through on its own bluff.
    Which is why it's a shame May and Hammond are in charge.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413

    They don’t need to be, because the UK is bluffing.
    as is Europe
    About what? It’s immaterial if the UK isn’t able to follow through on its own bluff.
    Europe needs a deal too or Ireland is screwed
    In the same sense that Europe needed a deal with Greece or their banks would have been screwed.
    so your analysis is the EU will shaft Ireland if its conveneint.

    So much for soldiarity

  • They don’t need to be, because the UK is bluffing.
    as is Europe
    About what? It’s immaterial if the UK isn’t able to follow through on its own bluff.
    Europe needs a deal too or Ireland is screwed
    In the same sense that Europe needed a deal with Greece or their banks would have been screwed.
    Difference is the UK isn't bankrupt unlike Greece.
    For the UK a no deal Brexit is no more credible than leaving the Euro was for Greece.
    Not with May and Hammond it's not. If Boris and Gove were in charge its believable the UK would go down that road.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413
    Nigelb said:

    They don’t need to be, because the UK is bluffing.
    as is Europe
    About what? It’s immaterial if the UK isn’t able to follow through on its own bluff.
    Europe needs a deal too or Ireland is screwed
    The EU was quite prepared to do a lot worse to Greece.
    Indeed

    it's like trying to leave the Sopranos
  • They don’t need to be, because the UK is bluffing.
    as is Europe
    About what? It’s immaterial if the UK isn’t able to follow through on its own bluff.
    Europe needs a deal too or Ireland is screwed
    In the same sense that Europe needed a deal with Greece or their banks would have been screwed.
    so your analysis is the EU will shaft Ireland if its conveneint.

    So much for soldiarity

    No, my analysis is that the EU would be able to force the UK back to the table long before it came to that. As Ivan Rogers put it, they would be able to choose where there’s continuity and where there isn’t.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,158
    edited September 2018
    Always said, McIRA is far more dangerous than Corbyn.

    Corbyn is a moron wed to a world view that hasn't changed in 40 years and he finds it incredibly difficult to say anything that opposes it. Hence why he had to be dragged to adopt the IHRA and even then wanted a clause that would have totally overshadowed everything.

    McIRA lies with ease and is comfortable saying whatever it takes to get his hands on power and impose his Marxist views.
  • Hmm, who to believe - a large employer or a fanatic:

    https://twitter.com/HuffPostUKPol/status/1041615245675048960

    'Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad’ comes to mind.
    Sir Bernard Jenkin doesn't seem interesting enough to the gods for them to care, and he seems to have gone mad without requiring their intervention.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413

    They don’t need to be, because the UK is bluffing.
    as is Europe
    About what? It’s immaterial if the UK isn’t able to follow through on its own bluff.
    Europe needs a deal too or Ireland is screwed
    In the same sense that Europe needed a deal with Greece or their banks would have been screwed.
    so your analysis is the EU will shaft Ireland if its conveneint.

    So much for soldiarity

    No, my analysis is that the EU would be able to force the UK back to the table long before it came to that. As Ivan Rogers put it, they would be able to choose where there’s continuity and where there isn’t.
    "long before it came to that. "

    I note you still dont dismiss the possibility

    speaks volumes about the organisation were leaving
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    Hmm, who to believe - a large employer or a fanatic:

    https://twitter.com/HuffPostUKPol/status/1041615245675048960

    'Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad’ comes to mind.
    Sir Bernard Jenkin doesn't seem interesting enough to the gods for them to care, and he seems to have gone mad without requiring their intervention.
    He's not mad. He's just very, very mediocre.
  • I think I'll put Mr O'Hara down as 'undecided':

    https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1041598672134447104
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413
    TOPPING said:

    Hmm, who to believe - a large employer or a fanatic:

    https://twitter.com/HuffPostUKPol/status/1041615245675048960

    'Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad’ comes to mind.
    Sir Bernard Jenkin doesn't seem interesting enough to the gods for them to care, and he seems to have gone mad without requiring their intervention.
    He's not mad. He's just very, very mediocre.
    nonsense the man went to Cambridge,

    its Oxford does the MA in Mediocre
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,504

    Always said, McIRA is far more dangerous than Corbyn.

    Corbyn is a moron wed to a world view that hasn't changed in 40 years and he finds it incredibly difficult to say anything that opposes it. Hence why he had to be dragged to adopt the IHRA and even then wanted a clause that would have totally overshadowed everything.

    McIRA lies with ease and is comfortable saying whatever it takes to get his hands on power and impose his Marxist views.

    Whereas Theresa Mays priorities are
    1. Her position as PM
    2. The maintenance of her bit of the Tory party in power
    4. The interests of the the British people.

    Numbered in order of preference.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,158
    edited September 2018

    Always said, McIRA is far more dangerous than Corbyn.

    Corbyn is a moron wed to a world view that hasn't changed in 40 years and he finds it incredibly difficult to say anything that opposes it. Hence why he had to be dragged to adopt the IHRA and even then wanted a clause that would have totally overshadowed everything.

    McIRA lies with ease and is comfortable saying whatever it takes to get his hands on power and impose his Marxist views.

    Whereas Theresa Mays priorities are
    1. Her position as PM
    2. The maintenance of her bit of the Tory party in power
    4. The interests of the the British people.

    Numbered in order of preference.
    I would rather useless May doing basically bugger all than Marxist McIRA. Hopefully the Tories do what the Tories do well and get rid of May and the Lib Dems find somebody who isn't an waste of space OAP to lead them before the next GE.

    Those are possible, Labour getting rid of Corbyn or McDonnell seem highly unlikely as the moderates have no backbone and have lost control of the party.
  • Rexel56Rexel56 Posts: 807
    On the subject of removing the tired, overpromoted and incompetent from the front line... Pochettino claims in the Times this morning that he would never drop Kane. He truly has become the new Rooney for club and country.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,692

    Always said, McIRA is far more dangerous than Corbyn.

    Corbyn is a moron wed to a world view that hasn't changed in 40 years and he finds it incredibly difficult to say anything that opposes it. Hence why he had to be dragged to adopt the IHRA and even then wanted a clause that would have totally overshadowed everything.

    McIRA lies with ease and is comfortable saying whatever it takes to get his hands on power and impose his Marxist views.

    Whereas Theresa Mays priorities are
    1. Her position as PM
    2. The maintenance of her bit of the Tory party in power
    4. The interests of the the British people.

    Numbered in order of preference.
    Shouldnt 4. be Her position as PM as well

    On Topic Fantasy Island
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,628
    Alistair said:

    Nothing on Ruth Davison ruling herself out of a run for Conservative Leader though I see TSE?

    I tried writing a thread on that but I failed.

    What I wrote ended up being rather callous, or patronising, or somewhat cynical towards Ruth Davidson.

    It was very hard to get the right tone on such a moving and sensitive topic.

    Is for the same reasons I haven’t done a thread on Alex Salmond’s recent issues.
    Ruth Davidson has continued to build street credibility amongst the young especially in Scotland. She has so far been loyal to TM but clearly hates BJ. She is part of the reason that Boris will never by PM of the UK.
    In 2011 the final YouGov had Anabelle Goldie's Conservatives with 18% of the 18-24 year old vote. 2016 had Ruth, credibility amongst the young, with 15%.

    Ruth's Scottish base is Brexiters and Brexiters are old.
    Yeah, because Ruth is such a fan of Brexit.

    Pillock.
  • Rexel56 said:

    On the subject of removing the tired, overpromoted and incompetent from the front line... Pochettino claims in the Times this morning that he would never drop Kane. He truly has become the new Rooney for club and country.

    I believe it is 62 games in a calendar year. And it isn't as if he didn't play similar amounts the previous 2 years. The lad needs a rest.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,504

    Always said, McIRA is far more dangerous than Corbyn.

    Corbyn is a moron wed to a world view that hasn't changed in 40 years and he finds it incredibly difficult to say anything that opposes it. Hence why he had to be dragged to adopt the IHRA and even then wanted a clause that would have totally overshadowed everything.

    McIRA lies with ease and is comfortable saying whatever it takes to get his hands on power and impose his Marxist views.

    Whereas Theresa Mays priorities are
    1. Her position as PM
    2. The maintenance of her bit of the Tory party in power
    4. The interests of the the British people.

    Numbered in order of preference.
    I would rather useless May doing basically bugger all than Marxist McIRA. Hopefully the Tories do what the Tories do well and get rid of May and the Lib Dems find somebody who isn't an waste of space OAP to lead them before the next GE.

    Those are possible, Labour getting rid of Corbyn or McDonnell seem highly unlikely as the moderates have no backbone and have lost control of the party.
    'Lib Dems find somebody who isn't an waste of space OAP to lead them before the next GE.'

    Norman Lamb was more or less saying that on BBC East yesterday.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,692
    On topic there is no circumstance where I would vote for McDonnell as leader

    Emily or Clive for me succeed Corbyn
  • Always said, McIRA is far more dangerous than Corbyn.

    Corbyn is a moron wed to a world view that hasn't changed in 40 years and he finds it incredibly difficult to say anything that opposes it. Hence why he had to be dragged to adopt the IHRA and even then wanted a clause that would have totally overshadowed everything.

    McIRA lies with ease and is comfortable saying whatever it takes to get his hands on power and impose his Marxist views.

    Whereas Theresa Mays priorities are
    1. Her position as PM
    2. The maintenance of her bit of the Tory party in power
    4. The interests of the the British people.

    Numbered in order of preference.
    I would rather useless May doing basically bugger all than Marxist McIRA. Hopefully the Tories do what the Tories do well and get rid of May and the Lib Dems find somebody who isn't an waste of space OAP to lead them before the next GE.

    Those are possible, Labour getting rid of Corbyn or McDonnell seem highly unlikely as the moderates have no backbone and have lost control of the party.
    Theresa May is not doing bugger all. She is negotiating Brexit. Depending how things turn out and which set of Conservatives you believe, Theresa May's missteps could cost hundreds of billions of pounds. Do you have any idea how many railways, power stations and water boards McIRA would need to nationalise to spend that much money?
  • Rexel56 said:

    On the subject of removing the tired, overpromoted and incompetent from the front line... Pochettino claims in the Times this morning that he would never drop Kane. He truly has become the new Rooney for club and country.

    I believe it is 62 games in a calendar year. And it isn't as if he didn't play similar amounts the previous 2 years. The lad needs a rest.
    I never understood this. Yes it sounds a lot but its a little over one game a week. Surely a healthy young man at the peak of his physical fitness ought to be able to manage that?
  • Rexel56Rexel56 Posts: 807

    Rexel56 said:

    On the subject of removing the tired, overpromoted and incompetent from the front line... Pochettino claims in the Times this morning that he would never drop Kane. He truly has become the new Rooney for club and country.

    I believe it is 62 games in a calendar year. And it isn't as if he didn't play similar amounts the previous 2 years. The lad needs a rest.
    Agreed, though lethargy is harder to spot in someone slow of thought and movement even when they are fresh. A long rest from England duty for Kane would allow Southgate to experiment with some modern, flexible, high-paced counter-attacking football.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464

    They don’t need to be, because the UK is bluffing.
    as is Europe
    About what? It’s immaterial if the UK isn’t able to follow through on its own bluff.
    Europe needs a deal too or Ireland is screwed
    In the same sense that Europe needed a deal with Greece or their banks would have been screwed.
    so your analysis is the EU will shaft Ireland if its conveneint.

    So much for soldiarity

    No, my analysis is that the EU would be able to force the UK back to the table long before it came to that. As Ivan Rogers put it, they would be able to choose where there’s continuity and where there isn’t.
    "Force".


    Hmm nice organisation to be part of..........
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited September 2018

    Always said, McIRA is far more dangerous than Corbyn.

    Corbyn is a moron wed to a world view that hasn't changed in 40 years and he finds it incredibly difficult to say anything that opposes it. Hence why he had to be dragged to adopt the IHRA and even then wanted a clause that would have totally overshadowed everything.

    McIRA lies with ease and is comfortable saying whatever it takes to get his hands on power and impose his Marxist views.

    Whereas Theresa Mays priorities are
    1. Her position as PM
    2. The maintenance of her bit of the Tory party in power
    4. The interests of the the British people.

    Numbered in order of preference.
    I would rather useless May doing basically bugger all than Marxist McIRA. Hopefully the Tories do what the Tories do well and get rid of May and the Lib Dems find somebody who isn't an waste of space OAP to lead them before the next GE.

    Those are possible, Labour getting rid of Corbyn or McDonnell seem highly unlikely as the moderates have no backbone and have lost control of the party.
    Theresa May is not doing bugger all. She is negotiating Brexit. Depending how things turn out and which set of Conservatives you believe, Theresa May's missteps could cost hundreds of billions of pounds. Do you have any idea how many railways, power stations and water boards McIRA would need to nationalise to spend that much money?
    McIRA recently described £500bn of extra expenditure as "not much" didn't he?
  • Rexel56 said:

    On the subject of removing the tired, overpromoted and incompetent from the front line... Pochettino claims in the Times this morning that he would never drop Kane. He truly has become the new Rooney for club and country.

    You do know that in the last three seasons Harry Kane has won two Premier League Golden Boots as well as the World Cup Golden Boot? He must be doing something right.
  • Always said, McIRA is far more dangerous than Corbyn.

    Corbyn is a moron wed to a world view that hasn't changed in 40 years and he finds it incredibly difficult to say anything that opposes it. Hence why he had to be dragged to adopt the IHRA and even then wanted a clause that would have totally overshadowed everything.

    McIRA lies with ease and is comfortable saying whatever it takes to get his hands on power and impose his Marxist views.

    Whereas Theresa Mays priorities are
    1. Her position as PM
    2. The maintenance of her bit of the Tory party in power
    4. The interests of the the British people.

    Numbered in order of preference.
    I would rather useless May doing basically bugger all than Marxist McIRA. Hopefully the Tories do what the Tories do well and get rid of May and the Lib Dems find somebody who isn't an waste of space OAP to lead them before the next GE.

    Those are possible, Labour getting rid of Corbyn or McDonnell seem highly unlikely as the moderates have no backbone and have lost control of the party.
    Theresa May is not doing bugger all. She is negotiating Brexit. Depending how things turn out and which set of Conservatives you believe, Theresa May's missteps could cost hundreds of billions of pounds. Do you have any idea how many railways, power stations and water boards McIRA would need to nationalise to spend that much money?
    McIRA recently described £500bn of extra expenditure as "not much" didn't he?
    Well, it's only half the trillion pounds Jacob Rees-Mogg was talking about the other day.
  • Rexel56Rexel56 Posts: 807

    Rexel56 said:

    On the subject of removing the tired, overpromoted and incompetent from the front line... Pochettino claims in the Times this morning that he would never drop Kane. He truly has become the new Rooney for club and country.

    You do know that in the last three seasons Harry Kane has won two Premier League Golden Boots as well as the World Cup Golden Boot? He must be doing something right.
    And what have his teams won?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,628

    They don’t need to be, because the UK is bluffing.
    as is Europe
    About what? It’s immaterial if the UK isn’t able to follow through on its own bluff.
    Europe needs a deal too or Ireland is screwed
    In the same sense that Europe needed a deal with Greece or their banks would have been screwed.
    so your analysis is the EU will shaft Ireland if its conveneint.

    So much for soldiarity

    No, my analysis is that the EU would be able to force the UK back to the table long before it came to that. As Ivan Rogers put it, they would be able to choose where there’s continuity and where there isn’t.
    Do you think a husband should be able to force his wife back from asking for a divorce?
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    Alistair said:

    Nothing on Ruth Davison ruling herself out of a run for Conservative Leader though I see TSE?

    I tried writing a thread on that but I failed.

    What I wrote ended up being rather callous, or patronising, or somewhat cynical towards Ruth Davidson.

    It was very hard to get the right tone on such a moving and sensitive topic.

    Is for the same reasons I haven’t done a thread on Alex Salmond’s recent issues.
    Ruth Davidson has continued to build street credibility amongst the young especially in Scotland. She has so far been loyal to TM but clearly hates BJ. She is part of the reason that Boris will never by PM of the UK.
    In 2011 the final YouGov had Anabelle Goldie's Conservatives with 18% of the 18-24 year old vote. 2016 had Ruth, credibility amongst the young, with 15%.

    Ruth's Scottish base is Brexiters and Brexiters are old.
    Yeah, because Ruth is such a fan of Brexit.

    Pillock.
    How does this contradict what he said? Regardless of Davidson's personal position on Brexit, isn't it well-established that the Scottish Tories gained MUCH more with Leave voters than Remain voters?
  • They don’t need to be, because the UK is bluffing.
    as is Europe
    About what? It’s immaterial if the UK isn’t able to follow through on its own bluff.
    Europe needs a deal too or Ireland is screwed
    In the same sense that Europe needed a deal with Greece or their banks would have been screwed.
    so your analysis is the EU will shaft Ireland if its conveneint.

    So much for soldiarity

    No, my analysis is that the EU would be able to force the UK back to the table long before it came to that. As Ivan Rogers put it, they would be able to choose where there’s continuity and where there isn’t.
    Do you think a husband should be able to force his wife back from asking for a divorce?
    I think TSE’s divorce analogy worked better.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    Danny565 said:

    If anybody is struggling to get through work today, just console yourself with the thought that we have a Theresa May Special to look forward to on TV tonight.

    Thanks , was going to watch the Bodyguard instead , to get an insight on previous female home secretaries.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited September 2018
    Boris is getting 1066 mixed up with 1688. Easy mistake to make.

    Edit: I see Alastair already pointed this out.
  • Yorkcity said:

    Danny565 said:

    If anybody is struggling to get through work today, just console yourself with the thought that we have a Theresa May Special to look forward to on TV tonight.

    Thanks , was going to watch the Bodyguard instead , to get an insight on previous female home secretaries.
    It's jolly good - but Killing Eve on BBC3 and iPlayer box set is even better
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    Rexel56 said:

    On the subject of removing the tired, overpromoted and incompetent from the front line... Pochettino claims in the Times this morning that he would never drop Kane. He truly has become the new Rooney for club and country.

    You do know that in the last three seasons Harry Kane has won two Premier League Golden Boots as well as the World Cup Golden Boot? He must be doing something right.
    Not looking good for Spurs at moment.Two defeats , new ground still not ready.
  • Druncker goes cherry picking:

    The president of the European Commission is ignoring his own legal staff's advice to issue a position statement in the long-simmering border dispute between Croatia and Slovenia. Has he gone quiet to help the Croatian prime minister, who is a member of the same political party?

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/eu-commission-chief-silent-in-slovenia-croatia-dispute-a-1228169.html
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    Yorkcity said:

    Danny565 said:

    If anybody is struggling to get through work today, just console yourself with the thought that we have a Theresa May Special to look forward to on TV tonight.

    Thanks , was going to watch the Bodyguard instead , to get an insight on previous female home secretaries.
    It's jolly good - but Killing Eve on BBC3 and iPlayer box set is even better
    Cheers , will watch that on iPlayer as well.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,158
    edited September 2018
    Yorkcity said:

    Rexel56 said:

    On the subject of removing the tired, overpromoted and incompetent from the front line... Pochettino claims in the Times this morning that he would never drop Kane. He truly has become the new Rooney for club and country.

    You do know that in the last three seasons Harry Kane has won two Premier League Golden Boots as well as the World Cup Golden Boot? He must be doing something right.
    Not looking good for Spurs at moment.Two defeats , new ground still not ready.
    Alli like Kane looks a shadow of his best.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487

    On topic there is no circumstance where I would vote for McDonnell as leader

    Emily or Clive for me succeed Corbyn

    Thornberry is the clear choice to unite the party, John.
  • I see he has been pushing new conspiracy theories about the timings.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    Anazina said:

    On topic there is no circumstance where I would vote for McDonnell as leader

    Emily or Clive for me succeed Corbyn

    Thornberry is the clear choice to unite the party, John.
    Yep, Thornberry for me. Someone relatively sane!
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,389
    Cyclefree said:

    TOPPING said:

    Fishing said:

    My take on the 20th century totalitarians, fwiw:

    Stalin and Mao were generally unwilling to risk full-scale wars with other great powers, whereas Hitler was willing, and actually started two (with the Soviet Union and the United States) himself. So on international relations, one can perhaps marginally prefer those two to Hitler.

    On domestic repression, there is nothing to choose between them. They were of course all utterly ruthless psychopaths who attached no value whatsoever to human life.

    On economic matters, Hitler was less incompetent than Stalin and Mao. His policies may have somewhat revived the German economy in the mid-1930s, albeit largely accidentally, since their purpose was to rearm. He never achieved anything like the Great Leap Forward or the self-imposed madness of collectivisation, and ditched the socialist part of National Socialism fairly quickly. As a result, the German economy only started to collapse in the final two years of the war.

    But overall, three blights on humanity and we can at least be glad that no leaders of any great power dares to be quite as bad as them today.

    Mao was deemed to have committed three errors for every seven things he did right. Whatever else he did wrong (it was a lot) he nevertheless lifted China out of poverty where previously 20,000 people a day were dying in Shanghai, and lead the overthrow of course of the Japanese oppressors.

    After that, to borrow a popular colloquialism, he went a bit mad. The Great Leap was shocking and callous although at heart was an intention to leap forward greatly and it was often the local cadres, admittedly in fear, who overstated the returns and hence ensured the death and chaos. As for the Cultural Revolution, yes absolutely guilty, repressive, horrible.
    People were dying of starvation in their hundreds and thousands, millions in fact, under Mao while he was taking the Chinese out of poverty. If you’re dead I suppose you are no longer poor but it seems to me to be nonsense to say that Mao lifted China out of poverty as if it was to his credit. Lots of other countries lifted themselves out of poverty during the same period - but without the death and bloodshed. Mao was a monster.
    Deng Xiao Ping thought that the average Chinese was actually poorer in 1976 than in 1950.

    Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao were unquestionably the most evil rulers of the twentieth century. Trying to work out which was the most evil is impossible,

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    What a pleasure - picking the Cons Mayoral candidate by STV.

    Surely a thread beckons?
  • Mr. F, after The Last Wish, would Sword of Destiny be the book for someone new to the Witcher to acquire?
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    The calamity and madness of Brexit brought to the fore.

    We are f*cked!! Thanks a bunch you ugly thick Brexiteers!
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,389

    Mr. F, after The Last Wish, would Sword of Destiny be the book for someone new to the Witcher to acquire?

    Yes. The five subsequent novels make little sense, without first reading Sword of Destiny.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    murali_s said:

    Anazina said:

    On topic there is no circumstance where I would vote for McDonnell as leader

    Emily or Clive for me succeed Corbyn

    Thornberry is the clear choice to unite the party, John.
    Yep, Thornberry for me. Someone relatively sane!
    Same here , I hope Emily gets the chance to lead Labour.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,628

    They don’t need to be, because the UK is bluffing.
    as is Europe
    About what? It’s immaterial if the UK isn’t able to follow through on its own bluff.
    Europe needs a deal too or Ireland is screwed
    In the same sense that Europe needed a deal with Greece or their banks would have been screwed.
    so your analysis is the EU will shaft Ireland if its conveneint.

    So much for soldiarity

    No, my analysis is that the EU would be able to force the UK back to the table long before it came to that. As Ivan Rogers put it, they would be able to choose where there’s continuity and where there isn’t.
    Do you think a husband should be able to force his wife back from asking for a divorce?
    I think TSE’s divorce analogy worked better.
    Evasion from you. As ever.
  • Mr O'Hara's glass is definitely half empty:

    https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1041599295370223616
  • Yorkcity said:

    Danny565 said:

    If anybody is struggling to get through work today, just console yourself with the thought that we have a Theresa May Special to look forward to on TV tonight.

    Thanks , was going to watch the Bodyguard instead , to get an insight on previous female home secretaries.
    The writer had Theresa May as his model; the actor Amber Rudd. Now rewatch the masturbation scene.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,692
    Anazina said:

    On topic there is no circumstance where I would vote for McDonnell as leader

    Emily or Clive for me succeed Corbyn

    Thornberry is the clear choice to unite the party, John.
    I would be happy to see Emily succeed Jeremy if he fails to become PM at the next GE
  • Yorkcity said:

    murali_s said:

    Anazina said:

    On topic there is no circumstance where I would vote for McDonnell as leader

    Emily or Clive for me succeed Corbyn

    Thornberry is the clear choice to unite the party, John.
    Yep, Thornberry for me. Someone relatively sane!
    Same here , I hope Emily gets the chance to lead Labour.
    Boris faced with Emily and Layla at the next GE would be beyond hilarious.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,389

    Mr O'Hara's glass is definitely half empty:

    https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1041599295370223616

    I'm not convinced by the argument that we live in the worst of times, despite the state of the Labour and Conservative parties.
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    murali_s said:

    The calamity and madness of Brexit brought to the fore.

    We are f*cked!! Thanks a bunch you ugly thick Brexiteers!
    How could we fail to be persuaded by your undoubted charm and wit?

    I’m sure you’re an oil painting too.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    Yorkcity said:

    murali_s said:

    Anazina said:

    On topic there is no circumstance where I would vote for McDonnell as leader

    Emily or Clive for me succeed Corbyn

    Thornberry is the clear choice to unite the party, John.
    Yep, Thornberry for me. Someone relatively sane!
    Same here , I hope Emily gets the chance to lead Labour.
    Boris faced with Emily and Layla at the next GE would be beyond hilarious.
    Boris would sincerely believe that they both fancied him and would operate under that assumption.
  • Mr. F, cheers. They don't seem to be numbered in an especially helpful way.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,692
    TOPPING said:

    Yorkcity said:

    murali_s said:

    Anazina said:

    On topic there is no circumstance where I would vote for McDonnell as leader

    Emily or Clive for me succeed Corbyn

    Thornberry is the clear choice to unite the party, John.
    Yep, Thornberry for me. Someone relatively sane!
    Same here , I hope Emily gets the chance to lead Labour.
    Boris faced with Emily and Layla at the next GE would be beyond hilarious.
    Boris would sincerely believe that they both fancied him and would operate under that assumption.
    I think Emily would make it clear she didnt fancy him.

    A knee in the groin would not be out of the question!!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,628
    TOPPING said:

    Yorkcity said:

    murali_s said:

    Anazina said:

    On topic there is no circumstance where I would vote for McDonnell as leader

    Emily or Clive for me succeed Corbyn

    Thornberry is the clear choice to unite the party, John.
    Yep, Thornberry for me. Someone relatively sane!
    Same here , I hope Emily gets the chance to lead Labour.
    Boris faced with Emily and Layla at the next GE would be beyond hilarious.
    Boris would sincerely believe that they both fancied him and would operate under that assumption.
    Boris probably believes that, secretly, Ruth Davidson fancies him....
  • Sean_F said:

    Mr O'Hara's glass is definitely half empty:

    https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1041599295370223616

    I'm not convinced by the argument that we live in the worst of times, despite the state of the Labour and Conservative parties.
    I think our politics is rather consumed by Brexit (and in Labour's case, anti-semitism) but as someone who remembers the seventies, I'd say we're definitely better off - and not just in material terms....

    In global terms we're still in the top 20 and second only to Germany among the big EU countries:

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/03/these-are-the-happiest-countries-in-the-world/
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    TOPPING said:

    Yorkcity said:

    murali_s said:

    Anazina said:

    On topic there is no circumstance where I would vote for McDonnell as leader

    Emily or Clive for me succeed Corbyn

    Thornberry is the clear choice to unite the party, John.
    Yep, Thornberry for me. Someone relatively sane!
    Same here , I hope Emily gets the chance to lead Labour.
    Boris faced with Emily and Layla at the next GE would be beyond hilarious.
    Boris would sincerely believe that they both fancied him and would operate under that assumption.
    Boris probably believes that, secretly, Ruth Davidson fancies him....
    If there's anyone who could convert her...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,628
    murali_s said:

    The calamity and madness of Brexit brought to the fore.

    We are f*cked!! Thanks a bunch you ugly thick Brexiteers!
    And Remainers' mums smell of wee. Now we have a level playing field.....
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,726
    Steve Baker has his say.
    He's not on the same page as Michael Gove.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,504
    TOPPING said:

    Yorkcity said:

    murali_s said:

    Anazina said:

    On topic there is no circumstance where I would vote for McDonnell as leader

    Emily or Clive for me succeed Corbyn

    Thornberry is the clear choice to unite the party, John.
    Yep, Thornberry for me. Someone relatively sane!
    Same here , I hope Emily gets the chance to lead Labour.
    Boris faced with Emily and Layla at the next GE would be beyond hilarious.
    Boris would sincerely believe that they both fancied him and would operate under that assumption.
    His realisation of his error would be a moment to treasure.

    I did wonder the other day if, given the size of his majority we could be heading for a Portillo moment in Uxbridge next election!
  • murali_s said:

    The calamity and madness of Brexit brought to the fore.

    We are f*cked!! Thanks a bunch you ugly thick Brexiteers!
    And Remainers' mums smell of wee. Now we have a level playing field.....
    Actually is likely that Leavers are more likely to smell of wee and poo.

    There's polling on that showing Leavers are dirty minging gits.

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/11/24/and-now-what-you-really-wanted-to-know-about-leave-and-remain-voters-how-often-they-change-their-underpantsknickers/
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    Sean_F said:

    Mr O'Hara's glass is definitely half empty:

    https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1041599295370223616

    I'm not convinced by the argument that we live in the worst of times, despite the state of the Labour and Conservative parties.
    Actually things are pretty darn good, full employment, balanced budget and low sustained inflation. We have a lot of issues bubbling away for the future. The struggle local authorities have with funding elderly care which is just going to get worse and worse etc
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    They only went with the prostitutes as an act of denial. In fact its proof of their homosexuality.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,389

    Sean_F said:

    Mr O'Hara's glass is definitely half empty:

    https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1041599295370223616

    I'm not convinced by the argument that we live in the worst of times, despite the state of the Labour and Conservative parties.
    I think our politics is rather consumed by Brexit (and in Labour's case, anti-semitism) but as someone who remembers the seventies, I'd say we're definitely better off - and not just in material terms....

    In global terms we're still in the top 20 and second only to Germany among the big EU countries:

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/03/these-are-the-happiest-countries-in-the-world/
    Although politics rather passed over my head a child (and growing up in a middle class household in Mill Hill in the 1970's was undoubtedly enjoyable) my impression from such books as The Writing on the Wall, by Phil Whitehead, was that things were pretty chaotic. Class conflict and political violence were much worse then than now.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,504
    notme said:

    They only went with the prostitutes as an act of denial. In fact its proof of their homosexuality.
    It must be true; I read it in the Daily Mail!

    Oh, sorry, the Mail on Sunday!
  • notme said:

    Sean_F said:

    Mr O'Hara's glass is definitely half empty:

    https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1041599295370223616

    I'm not convinced by the argument that we live in the worst of times, despite the state of the Labour and Conservative parties.
    Actually things are pretty darn good, full employment, balanced budget and low sustained inflation. We have a lot of issues bubbling away for the future. The struggle local authorities have with funding elderly care which is just going to get worse and worse etc
    That post is the pb equivalent of Wile E Coyote holding up a sign after he's run off the end of the cliff. Though in fairness to Mr Coyote, he's usually aware of his problem.
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