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The big news from Westminster this afternoon is that the Home Secretary has announced a review on the legalisation of cannabis for medical use – something that has become a big issue because of the Billy Caldwell case.

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,808
    Sajid Javid is a PM in waiting.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,808
    Primus inter pares.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,896
    FPT:
    Mr. Alistair, just checked and cannabis can cause paranoia, addiction, and contribute to respiratory disease [Biological Psychology: An Introduction to Behavioral[sp] and Cognitive Neuroscience, by Rosenzweig et al].
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,808
    I had tickets to today’s ODI.

    Blasted sciatica.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Trump is now a freelance crime statistics agency.

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1009071330661142533?s=21
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I had tickets to today’s ODI.

    Blasted sciatica.

    Could today be the day a team scores 500 in a ODI ?

  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,818
    FPT:

    It's an interesting chain of events. Attitudes towards Tobacco and Alcohol are hardening on public health grounds, yet at the same time attitudes towards drugs currently illegal are softening.

    At some point, they have to meet in the middle.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,818
    williamglenn said:

    Trump is now a freelance crime statistics agency.

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1009071330661142533?s=21

    His lack of the English language is quite shocking. 'Others countries'??
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,706
    Roy run out. 159-1 off 19.3 overs. Hales to come.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Slackbladder said:

    FPT:

    It's an interesting chain of events. Attitudes towards Tobacco and Alcohol are hardening on public health grounds, yet at the same time attitudes towards drugs currently illegal are softening.

    At some point, they have to meet in the middle.

    Are attitudes towards alcohol hardening with the public ?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,905
    Morris_Dancer said:

    FPT:
    Mr. Alistair, just checked and cannabis can cause paranoia, addiction, and contribute to respiratory disease [Biological Psychology: An Introduction to Behavioral[sp] and Cognitive Neuroscience, by Rosenzweig et al].

    Surely the contribution to respiratory disease depends on the means of ingestion?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,896
    Mr. Eagles, hope your get well soon.

    Mr. Gate, I'm too pure and virtuous to comment on means of drug use beyond what I've read in biopsychological textbooks.
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,579
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sajid Javid is a PM in waiting.

    Agreed.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Morris_Dancer said:

    FPT:
    Mr. Alistair, just checked and cannabis can cause paranoia, addiction, and contribute to respiratory disease [Biological Psychology: An Introduction to Behavioral[sp] and Cognitive Neuroscience, by Rosenzweig et al].

    You should see what hydrogenated vegetable oil does to the human body.

    Cannabis should be legal, regulated and taxed. I'd be in favour of legalising it but banning smoking it in public places including parks (similar to Colorado). If people want to toke in their back gardens - fill yer Birkenstocks.


  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,706
    williamglenn said:

    Trump is now a freelance crime statistics agency.

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1009071330661142533?s=21

    Every (expletive deleted) non Native American is from an immigrant community!
    And I'm in contact with the descendants of a great uncle who clearly, although we're still working on the details, left England 'under a cloud'!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,808
    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I had tickets to today’s ODI.

    Blasted sciatica.

    Could today be the day a team scores 500 in a ODI ?

    Fingers crossed.

    I saw them score 444 two years ago.

    They’d have got more as the Pakistanis pulled it back in the last few overs.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Javid is the only sensible choice for next Tory leader.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,818
    TGOHF said:

    Slackbladder said:

    FPT:

    It's an interesting chain of events. Attitudes towards Tobacco and Alcohol are hardening on public health grounds, yet at the same time attitudes towards drugs currently illegal are softening.

    At some point, they have to meet in the middle.

    Are attitudes towards alcohol hardening with the public ?
    I think it certainly is with young people, aren't they drinking less?

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/datablog/2017/may/06/more-than-a-quarter-of-young-adults-in-the-uk-do-not-drink-alcohol-in-data
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,808
    AndyJS said:

    Javid is the only sensible choice for next Tory leader.

    So is Jeremy Hunt.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,361
    edited June 2018
    SouthamObserver said:

    david_herdson said:

    DecrepitJohnL said:

    El_Capitano said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Plus what has Northern Ireland brought to the mainland apart from bigotry, terrorism, bombs, death, and the regeneration of Manchester?

    Seamus Heaney.

    Struggling a bit beyond that, though. Van Morrison is decidedly not a plus point.
    AP McCoy. Alex Higgins, George Best and Mary Peters for older readers.
    Three out of four there. Alex Higgins only ever won one ranking tournament in his career - a greatly overrated player.

    Higgins was world champion twice, wasn’t he?

    Yes, but the first one (1972) was before world rankings were introduced in 1975. Even so, apart from his world championship win in 1982, he never won another ranking tournament in his career.
  • AllyPally_RobAllyPally_Rob Posts: 605
    OldKingCole said:

    Roy run out. 159-1 off 19.3 overs. Hales to come.

    England nearly always do well at Trent Bridge, both the one day and test teams. The ECB were fools not to play there for the next two Ashes series.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,765
    Javid/Gove ticket election vs whoever the traitors can put up.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,751
    I don’t think many people would be against the use of cannabis-based medecines, properly tested and regulated, to relieve pain, help cure diseases etc.

    That is not the same as saying that the sort of skunk which can cause serious problems should be legally freely available to all and sundry.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I had tickets to today’s ODI.

    Blasted sciatica.

    If only there were a cure.
    https://metro.co.uk/2017/10/27/woman-cured-of-sciatica-within-hours-of-using-cannabis-oil-she-bought-online-7030958/
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Slackbladder said:

    TGOHF said:

    Slackbladder said:

    FPT:

    It's an interesting chain of events. Attitudes towards Tobacco and Alcohol are hardening on public health grounds, yet at the same time attitudes towards drugs currently illegal are softening.

    At some point, they have to meet in the middle.

    Are attitudes towards alcohol hardening with the public ?
    I think it certainly is with young people, aren't they drinking less?

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/datablog/2017/may/06/more-than-a-quarter-of-young-adults-in-the-uk-do-not-drink-alcohol-in-data
    That's due to more furreners and virtue signalling class warriors.

    Heaven help us when this generation get to 40 and figure out they wasted their youth on twitter instead of getting blasted and laid.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,127
    Trent Bridge is the quickest scoring one day ground in the game.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,361
    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I had tickets to today’s ODI.

    Blasted sciatica.

    Could today be the day a team scores 500 in a ODI ?

    India A have just had a good go against Leicestershire.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,706
    TGOHF said:

    Slackbladder said:

    TGOHF said:

    Slackbladder said:

    FPT:

    It's an interesting chain of events. Attitudes towards Tobacco and Alcohol are hardening on public health grounds, yet at the same time attitudes towards drugs currently illegal are softening.

    At some point, they have to meet in the middle.

    Are attitudes towards alcohol hardening with the public ?
    I think it certainly is with young people, aren't they drinking less?

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/datablog/2017/may/06/more-than-a-quarter-of-young-adults-in-the-uk-do-not-drink-alcohol-in-data
    That's due to more furreners and virtue signalling class warriors.

    Heaven help us when this generation get to 40 and figure out they wasted their youth on twitter instead of getting blasted and laid.

    I think they've been getting laid. Might have been sober while doing it, though!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    It would be interesting to see a survey on whether the public support the legalisation of cannabis for recreational purposes.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,320
    MaxPB said:

    Javid/Gove ticket election vs whoever the traitors can put up.

    uh-oh. Lunchtime meds just worn off.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,448
    Cyclefree said:

    I don’t think many people would be against the use of cannabis-based medecines, properly tested and regulated, to relieve pain, help cure diseases etc.

    That is not the same as saying that the sort of skunk which can cause serious problems should be legally freely available to all and sundry.

    True Los Angeles story. We have a friend with a beautiful bassett hound, which sadly has liver cancer. Dog is undergoing chemotherapy, and was wasting away as won't eat. Dog is fed cannabis, and now has decent appetite, and is improving.

    Beware of extrapolation from small datasets.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Pulpstar said:

    Trent Bridge is the quickest scoring one day ground in the game.

    Rule of thumb is double the score after 30 overs.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,196
    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I don’t think many people would be against the use of cannabis-based medecines, properly tested and regulated, to relieve pain, help cure diseases etc.

    That is not the same as saying that the sort of skunk which can cause serious problems should be legally freely available to all and sundry.

    True Los Angeles story. We have a friend with a beautiful bassett hound, which sadly has liver cancer. Dog is undergoing chemotherapy, and was wasting away as won't eat. Dog is fed cannabis, and now has decent appetite, and is improving.

    Beware of extrapolation from small datasets.
    You mean not all dogs would respond as well to the same treatment?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:

    Javid/Gove ticket election vs whoever the traitors can put up.

    uh-oh. Lunchtime meds just worn off.

    It's all a bit obvious and JCR, isn't it?

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,196
    On topic, Javid senses it might not be long till his moment comes, and to a large extent what he does now might even create it: creating a credible alternative to May hastens her downfall.

    I don’t think he cares a jot what May thinks of that, but, he does need to be careful not to overplay his hand.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,808
    AndyJS said:

    It would be interesting to see a survey on whether the public support the legalisation of cannabis for recreational purposes.

    I’ve done a survey on just that.

    For the record I wouldn’t support it. It is something that would lead to all sorts of unintended consequences.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Sales of alcohol rose in Colorado after prohibition of plants was ended.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/31/alcohol-industry-sales-marijuana-colorado

    "Tax records show that alcohol sales have continued to grow in Colorado despite the rapid rise of recreational marijuana. Even as tax revenues from marijuana nearly tripled between June 2014 through May 2015, alcohol sales continued to steadily increase as well, with alcohol excise taxes rising 2.1%, the same increase as the year prior."
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,127
    Wonder if Senegal can rescue Africa's dire start to the tournament.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    david_herdson said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    david_herdson said:

    DecrepitJohnL said:

    El_Capitano said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Plus what has Northern Ireland brought to the mainland apart from bigotry, terrorism, bombs, death, and the regeneration of Manchester?

    Seamus Heaney.

    Struggling a bit beyond that, though. Van Morrison is decidedly not a plus point.
    AP McCoy. Alex Higgins, George Best and Mary Peters for older readers.
    Three out of four there. Alex Higgins only ever won one ranking tournament in his career - a greatly overrated player.

    Higgins was world champion twice, wasn’t he?

    Yes, but the first one (1972) was before world rankings were introduced in 1975. Even so, apart from his world championship win in 1982, he never won another ranking tournament in his career.

    He was a total disaster, but was capable of things no-one else has ever managed. He played Jimmy White in the semi-final in 1982 and that was quite possibly the greatest snooker game ever. His 69 break to tie the game at 15-15 was unbelievable:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAO48WSZnRU

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,706
    TGOHF said:

    Sales of alcohol rose in Colorado after prohibition of plants was ended.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/31/alcohol-industry-sales-marijuana-colorado

    "Tax records show that alcohol sales have continued to grow in Colorado despite the rapid rise of recreational marijuana. Even as tax revenues from marijuana nearly tripled between June 2014 through May 2015, alcohol sales continued to steadily increase as well, with alcohol excise taxes rising 2.1%, the same increase as the year prior."

    How is 'sales' measured? Value or quantity? Are people buying higher priced booze, as opposed too White Lightening and the like.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,808
    Paging DavidL.

    Don’t you dare say anything on how well England and YJB are doing.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,986
    tpfkar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sajid Javid is a PM in waiting.

    Agreed.
    Well, he's certainly better at the optics than the current person sitting in the chair (I hesitate to say in power).
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,579
    Pulpstar said:

    Wonder if Senegal can rescue Africa's dire start to the tournament.

    I drew Poland in the office sweepstake so I think Senegal should be fine...
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Looks like Theresa May is the Cabinet pot plant.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    TGOHF said:

    Sales of alcohol rose in Colorado after prohibition of plants was ended.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/31/alcohol-industry-sales-marijuana-colorado

    "Tax records show that alcohol sales have continued to grow in Colorado despite the rapid rise of recreational marijuana. Even as tax revenues from marijuana nearly tripled between June 2014 through May 2015, alcohol sales continued to steadily increase as well, with alcohol excise taxes rising 2.1%, the same increase as the year prior."

    Some of that may be just natural population growth, I understand that a lot of Californians are heading that way. Some of it may be a growth in people going on a 'recreational' holiday indulging in boos and pot.

    I suspect at the alcohol per person in changing very small, but I don't know.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,201
    edited June 2018
    Bairstow just blootered his hundred.

    Not much of a contest, though.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    OldKingCole said:

    TGOHF said:

    Sales of alcohol rose in Colorado after prohibition of plants was ended.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/31/alcohol-industry-sales-marijuana-colorado

    "Tax records show that alcohol sales have continued to grow in Colorado despite the rapid rise of recreational marijuana. Even as tax revenues from marijuana nearly tripled between June 2014 through May 2015, alcohol sales continued to steadily increase as well, with alcohol excise taxes rising 2.1%, the same increase as the year prior."

    How is 'sales' measured? Value or quantity? Are people buying higher priced booze, as opposed too White Lightening and the like.
    Sales = $ taxable value. Not au fait with how the US tax different alcohol strengths.

    Not sure they have white lightning though.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,661
    edited June 2018
    Jesus Christ, I go to make a coffee after Roy wicket and when I come back Hales already has 30.

    800 runs in the day?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    BigRich said:

    TGOHF said:

    Sales of alcohol rose in Colorado after prohibition of plants was ended.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/31/alcohol-industry-sales-marijuana-colorado

    "Tax records show that alcohol sales have continued to grow in Colorado despite the rapid rise of recreational marijuana. Even as tax revenues from marijuana nearly tripled between June 2014 through May 2015, alcohol sales continued to steadily increase as well, with alcohol excise taxes rising 2.1%, the same increase as the year prior."

    Some of that may be just natural population growth, I understand that a lot of Californians are heading that way. Some of it may be a growth in people going on a 'recreational' holiday indulging in boos and pot.

    I suspect at the alcohol per person in changing very small, but I don't know.
    Possibly but the big fear was that pot sales would seriously depress alcohol sales. It just hasn't happened.

  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    david_herdson said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    david_herdson said:

    DecrepitJohnL said:

    El_Capitano said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Plus what has Northern Ireland brought to the mainland apart from bigotry, terrorism, bombs, death, and the regeneration of Manchester?

    Seamus Heaney.

    Struggling a bit beyond that, though. Van Morrison is decidedly not a plus point.
    AP McCoy. Alex Higgins, George Best and Mary Peters for older readers.
    Three out of four there. Alex Higgins only ever won one ranking tournament in his career - a greatly overrated player.

    Higgins was world champion twice, wasn’t he?

    Yes, but the first one (1972) was before world rankings were introduced in 1975. Even so, apart from his world championship win in 1982, he never won another ranking tournament in his career.
    He did win the 1983 UK Championship , beating Steve Davis in the final.

    Why was this a non ranking snooker event ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,201
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Jesus Christ, I go to make a coffee after Roy wicket and when I come back Hales already has 30.

    800 runs in the day?

    Two dot balls now, though.
    Hales is slacking.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    MaxPB said:

    Javid/Gove ticket election vs whoever the traitors can put up.

    I don't think we help anybody by making accusations of 'traitor'

    But I do think that Javid at No 10 and Gove at 11, (or the other way round) could be good for the country.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,087
    MaxPB said:

    Javid/Gove ticket election vs whoever the traitors can put up.

    Traitors? They must be the ones helping Russia to achieve its ends?
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,818
    BigRich said:

    MaxPB said:

    Javid/Gove ticket election vs whoever the traitors can put up.

    I don't think we help anybody by making accusations of 'traitor'

    But I do think that Javid at No 10 and Gove at 11, (or the other way round) could be good for the country.
    No Gove is more an ideas man than a front man. He would actually do stuff, rather than be a bland pointless manager like Hammond has proved to be
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,045
    Do those who do the out-group signalling and insults know how they come across to those who aren't in their in-group? Or even to some (many?) of those who are in their in-group?

    Whenever I see the words: "traitor", "xenophobe", "Remoaner", "liar", or similar (from either side), I assume the comment is content-free and it's just a toddler-tantrum and skip to the next one.

    If the intent is to persuade others or change opinions, it truly is an utter failure. If it's just to pleasure oneself and/or signal what a reliable chap(ess) someone is to others on "their side", I suppose it's effective, but it doesn't half swamp the meaningful signal with pointless noise.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,706
    BigRich said:

    MaxPB said:

    Javid/Gove ticket election vs whoever the traitors can put up.

    I don't think we help anybody by making accusations of 'traitor'

    But I do think that Javid at No 10 and Gove at 11, (or the other way round) could be good for the country.
    Concentrating on the cricket so had to think about that one for a minute!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    MaxPB said:

    Javid/Gove ticket election vs whoever the traitors can put up.

    Is that so that Gove can betray Javid and let the ‘traitor’ win?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,661
    England should send in Jos butter next!
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    edited June 2018
    williamglenn said:

    MaxPB said:

    Javid/Gove ticket election vs whoever the traitors can put up.

    Is that so that Gove can betray Javid and let the ‘traitor’ win?
    Gove's achievements in his ministerial posts have been superlative.

    One of the most effective ministers in the last 30 years.


  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    TGOHF said:

    BigRich said:

    TGOHF said:

    Sales of alcohol rose in Colorado after prohibition of plants was ended.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/31/alcohol-industry-sales-marijuana-colorado

    "Tax records show that alcohol sales have continued to grow in Colorado despite the rapid rise of recreational marijuana. Even as tax revenues from marijuana nearly tripled between June 2014 through May 2015, alcohol sales continued to steadily increase as well, with alcohol excise taxes rising 2.1%, the same increase as the year prior."

    Some of that may be just natural population growth, I understand that a lot of Californians are heading that way. Some of it may be a growth in people going on a 'recreational' holiday indulging in boos and pot.

    I suspect at the alcohol per person in changing very small, but I don't know.
    Possibly but the big fear was that pot sales would seriously depress alcohol sales. It just hasn't happened.

    Yes, some would have seen falling alcohol sales a benefit, others a risk, in reality not a lot changes that much. Just things get slightly better,

    Slightly more freedom for people to enjoy themselves.
    Slightly less people going to prison/thought the courts.
    slightly more tax raised.
    slightly better relations between the police and some parts of the community.
    slightly more legitimated jobs.
    slightly more people able to get treatment for medical conditions
    slight incentive to people to more to the area.

    This will not change the would, but it will be slightly better as a result.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    TGOHF said:

    williamglenn said:

    MaxPB said:

    Javid/Gove ticket election vs whoever the traitors can put up.

    Is that so that Gove can betray Javid and let the ‘traitor’ win?
    Goves achievements in his ministerial posts have been superlatives.

    One of the most effective ministers in the last 30 years.


    Agreed!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1009088569506455553?s=21
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    Splits emerging in Merkels party as Berlin CDU side with CSU and tell Merkel to make concessions
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    BigRich said:

    TGOHF said:

    BigRich said:

    TGOHF said:

    Sales of alcohol rose in Colorado after prohibition of plants was ended.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/31/alcohol-industry-sales-marijuana-colorado

    "Tax records show that alcohol sales have continued to grow in Colorado despite the rapid rise of recreational marijuana. Even as tax revenues from marijuana nearly tripled between June 2014 through May 2015, alcohol sales continued to steadily increase as well, with alcohol excise taxes rising 2.1%, the same increase as the year prior."

    Some of that may be just natural population growth, I understand that a lot of Californians are heading that way. Some of it may be a growth in people going on a 'recreational' holiday indulging in boos and pot.

    I suspect at the alcohol per person in changing very small, but I don't know.
    Possibly but the big fear was that pot sales would seriously depress alcohol sales. It just hasn't happened.

    Yes, some would have seen falling alcohol sales a benefit, others a risk, in reality not a lot changes that much. Just things get slightly better,

    Slightly more freedom for people to enjoy themselves.
    Slightly less people going to prison/thought the courts.
    slightly more tax raised.
    slightly better relations between the police and some parts of the community.
    slightly more legitimated jobs.
    slightly more people able to get treatment for medical conditions
    slight incentive to people to more to the area.

    This will not change the would, but it will be slightly better as a result.
    Less cash flowing to criminals. It's a win win all round.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    TGOHF said:

    BigRich said:

    TGOHF said:

    BigRich said:

    TGOHF said:

    Sales of alcohol rose in Colorado after prohibition of plants was ended.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/31/alcohol-industry-sales-marijuana-colorado

    "Tax records show that alcohol sales have continued to grow in Colorado despite the rapid rise of recreational marijuana. Even as tax revenues from marijuana nearly tripled between June 2014 through May 2015, alcohol sales continued to steadily increase as well, with alcohol excise taxes rising 2.1%, the same increase as the year prior."

    Some of that may be just natural population growth, I understand that a lot of Californians are heading that way. Some of it may be a growth in people going on a 'recreational' holiday indulging in boos and pot.

    I suspect at the alcohol per person in changing very small, but I don't know.
    Possibly but the big fear was that pot sales would seriously depress alcohol sales. It just hasn't happened.

    Yes, some would have seen falling alcohol sales a benefit, others a risk, in reality not a lot changes that much. Just things get slightly better,

    Slightly more freedom for people to enjoy themselves.
    Slightly less people going to prison/thought the courts.
    slightly more tax raised.
    slightly better relations between the police and some parts of the community.
    slightly more legitimated jobs.
    slightly more people able to get treatment for medical conditions
    slight incentive to people to more to the area.

    This will not change the would, but it will be slightly better as a result.
    Less cash flowing to criminals. It's a win win all round.
    Yes I missed that one, but again its not going to be that big, The latest numbers I have seen suggests that Pot makes up just 20% of US drug imports form Mexico and just 5% of the profit, but any drop in good so again a slight improvement.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,706
    253 after 30 overs...... 506???????
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    OldKingCole said:

    253 after 30 overs...... 506???????

    Must be depressing being an Aussie bowler right now. Heart of stone, etc, etc.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I’m in favour of legalising cannabis so long as there are swingeing penalties for talking about it in public. Whisky and wine bores are bad enough.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,661
    I don't fancy David Willey bowling on this pitch....I think he could go for a lot of runs.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,808
    Anorak said:

    OldKingCole said:

    253 after 30 overs...... 506???????

    Must be depressing being an Aussie bowler right now. Heart of stone, etc, etc.
    I’d packed some sandpaper in my backpack for today’s match.

    Will have to take it on Sunday.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    AlastairMeeks said:

    I’m in favour of legalising cannabis so long as there are swingeing penalties for talking about it in public. Whisky and wine bores are bad enough.

    Brexit bores top the list
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Anorak said:

    OldKingCole said:

    253 after 30 overs...... 506???????

    Must be depressing being an Aussie bowler right now. Heart of stone, etc, etc.
    They won the toss and chose to bowl..
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,706
    AlastairMeeks said:

    I’m in favour of legalising cannabis so long as there are swingeing penalties for talking about it in public. Whisky and wine bores are bad enough.

    Was given some very nice samples of both for Fathers Day.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    OldKingCole said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    I’m in favour of legalising cannabis so long as there are swingeing penalties for talking about it in public. Whisky and wine bores are bad enough.

    Was given some very nice samples of both for Fathers Day.
    Cannabis would be a bit cutting edge for a Father’s Day present an 80 year old, to be fair.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    If you're waiting for delivery of a new Tesla, it may be manufactured in a tent.

    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1008906087611883521
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,706
    AlastairMeeks said:

    OldKingCole said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    I’m in favour of legalising cannabis so long as there are swingeing penalties for talking about it in public. Whisky and wine bores are bad enough.

    Was given some very nice samples of both for Fathers Day.
    Cannabis would be a bit cutting edge for a Father’s Day present an 80 year old, to be fair.
    It's a thought. Haven't smoked tobacco for over 50 years though, so I'm not sure I'd manage to roll a spliff.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,661
    edited June 2018
    williamglenn said:

    If you're waiting for delivery of a new Tesla, it may be manufactured in a tent.

    twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1008906087611883521

    You do have to admire his nothing is impossible / solution to every problem attitude. Make a refreshing change from brexit negotiations.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    williamglenn said:

    If you're waiting for delivery of a new Tesla, it may be manufactured in a tent.

    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1008906087611883521

    can somebody translate 'kfa'
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    BigRich said:

    williamglenn said:

    If you're waiting for delivery of a new Tesla, it may be manufactured in a tent.

    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1008906087611883521

    can somebody translate 'kfa'
    Kick f...ing ass.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    AlastairMeeks said:

    I’m in favour of legalising cannabis so long as there are swingeing penalties for talking about it in public. Whisky and wine bores are bad enough.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvBny8-F3eU
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,394
    This is absolute carnage. 304 in the 33rd over. It's cricket Jim, but not as we know it.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,361
    Yorkcity said:

    david_herdson said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    david_herdson said:

    DecrepitJohnL said:

    El_Capitano said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Plus what has Northern Ireland brought to the mainland apart from bigotry, terrorism, bombs, death, and the regeneration of Manchester?

    Seamus Heaney.

    Struggling a bit beyond that, though. Van Morrison is decidedly not a plus point.
    AP McCoy. Alex Higgins, George Best and Mary Peters for older readers.
    Three out of four there. Alex Higgins only ever won one ranking tournament in his career - a greatly overrated player.

    Higgins was world champion twice, wasn’t he?

    Yes, but the first one (1972) was before world rankings were introduced in 1975. Even so, apart from his world championship win in 1982, he never won another ranking tournament in his career.
    He did win the 1983 UK Championship, beating Steve Davis in the final.

    Why was this a non ranking snooker event ?
    It is true that there weren't as many ranking events until the mid-1980s (the UK championship became one in 1984), though why that didn't attract ranking points in the early 1980s when tournaments that were played over shorter distances did, I don't know.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    BigRich said:

    williamglenn said:

    If you're waiting for delivery of a new Tesla, it may be manufactured in a tent.

    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1008906087611883521

    can somebody translate 'kfa'
    kicks flucking ass
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,543
    OldKingCole said:

    williamglenn said:

    Trump is now a freelance crime statistics agency.

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1009071330661142533?s=21

    Every (expletive deleted) non Native American is from an immigrant community!
    And I'm in contact with the descendants of a great uncle who clearly, although we're still working on the details, left England 'under a cloud'!
    Even Native Americans are descendants of immigrants (the Mongols and Tartars are the ones who didn't head East).
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    AlastairMeeks said:

    BigRich said:

    williamglenn said:

    If you're waiting for delivery of a new Tesla, it may be manufactured in a tent.

    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1008906087611883521

    can somebody translate 'kfa'
    Kick f...ing ass.
    Thanks, I was thinking a dyslexic 'Can fix anything' but that makes more sence
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,661
    Boooooooooo.....
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,394
    Bairstow out for only 139. He must be gutted.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,706
    That's the end of Bairstow, for 139. 310-2
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,808
    DavidL said:

    This is absolute carnage. 304 in the 33rd over. It's cricket Jim, but not as we know it.

    You've cursed us again.

    See my post at 3:51pm
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,543
    Andy_Cooke said:

    Do those who do the out-group signalling and insults know how they come across to those who aren't in their in-group? Or even to some (many?) of those who are in their in-group?

    Whenever I see the words: "traitor", "xenophobe", "Remoaner", "liar", or similar (from either side), I assume the comment is content-free and it's just a toddler-tantrum and skip to the next one.

    If the intent is to persuade others or change opinions, it truly is an utter failure. If it's just to pleasure oneself and/or signal what a reliable chap(ess) someone is to others on "their side", I suppose it's effective, but it doesn't half swamp the meaningful signal with pointless noise.

    It's ineffective as a form of advocacy.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,394
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    This is absolute carnage. 304 in the 33rd over. It's cricket Jim, but not as we know it.

    You've cursed us again.

    See my post at 3:51pm
    Woops, hadn't caught up with the thread yet. But Buttler in now.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,448
    TGOHF said:

    Sales of alcohol rose in Colorado after prohibition of plants was ended.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/31/alcohol-industry-sales-marijuana-colorado

    "Tax records show that alcohol sales have continued to grow in Colorado despite the rapid rise of recreational marijuana. Even as tax revenues from marijuana nearly tripled between June 2014 through May 2015, alcohol sales continued to steadily increase as well, with alcohol excise taxes rising 2.1%, the same increase as the year prior."

    Although that's a decline in per capita real consumption, when you remember that Colorado's population is growing at 1.5% per year, and inflation is north of 2%.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,661
    This is not good enough...at this rate we won't get to 500!
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591
    edited June 2018
    Andy_Cooke said:

    Do those who do the out-group signalling and insults know how they come across to those who aren't in their in-group? Or even to some (many?) of those who are in their in-group?

    Whenever I see the words: "traitor", "xenophobe", "Remoaner", "liar", or similar (from either side), I assume the comment is content-free and it's just a toddler-tantrum and skip to the next one.

    If the intent is to persuade others or change opinions, it truly is an utter failure. If it's just to pleasure oneself and/or signal what a reliable chap(ess) someone is to others on "their side", I suppose it's effective, but it doesn't half swamp the meaningful signal with pointless noise.

    +1

    The quality of debate on here would be greatly improved if word such as these could be blocked, just as MPs are not allowed to accuse each other of lying.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,706
    Buttler playing silly what-sits. Two scoops, both failed. Six now though.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2018
    OldKingCole said:

    That's the end of Bairstow, for 139. 310-2

    I think when I first watched a one day international in the 1990s the world record score was about 310 for one innings after 50 overs.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,706
    Goal for Senegal. 1-0
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,394
    Much better bowling from Aus. Take the pace off and very full. England take note.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,808
    https://twitter.com/CricProf/status/1009098097467805699
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,706
    335-3. Buttler gone. Whose idea was it to bring him up the order.
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