Anyone got the Perth & Kinross result yet? Its actually quite key as the Council is currently 16 Tories, 15 SNP plus some also rans. If the SNP win they may well regain control of the Council.
Kevin Alcock - @kevina364: Highland (Perth & Kinross) 1st pref Con 1907 SNP 1466 Ind 280 Lab 239 Green 104 LD 79 Ind 12 - Con Hold after round 6 on STV -1st Pref Swing (May 2017) SNP-Con 1.9%
Good results for the Tories in both Wales and Scotland today then
Turnout in the Highland ward was 56%. Pretty incredible for a local authority by-election. It really is trench warfare in that part of Scotland between the Tories and the SNP.
Some people may not like Owen Jones (I don’t agree with all of what he says) but in period in which Corbyn’s Labour is polling 40%, it’s important to get an insight into how Corbynistas see the world. In that sense, he’s useful (his YouTube channel isn’t bad either - his interviews with various political figures including JRM, Hitchens and Soubry are pretty interesting). As it happens, I think the charge of ‘groupthink’ is something which could be applied to both the Labour Party leadership and the media.
Yes, I follow Owen Jones on Twitter. But (imo) his desperation to be allowed back into the Corbynite circle of trust [which he'll never be] has increasingly affected the quality of his output.
Back into?
Yes, before the great betrayal...
I thought that before that he was a Blairite whipping dog who then ratted to join the proletariat heros. Surprised that a rat ever got inside the circle of trust... that he re-ratted* is just proof that it should never happen again.
* and only Churchill gets to re-re-rat. And Owen ain’t Churchill...
You can join the heroes from whatever tradition cf. Emily Thornberry. But betrayal can't ever be forgiven.
Any one can join, but that’s different to being in the circle of trust? Has Thornberry achieved that?
Its an interesting question how long the polling companies continue to include them in the polling when the party is clearly dead and unlikely to fight another campaign in a meaningful way. They risk distortions once that 4% find out there is no UKIP candidate to vote for.
Does anyone know whether pollsters still prompt for UKIP? Some did for a while.
Some people may not like Owen Jones (I don’t agree with all of what he says) but in period in which Corbyn’s Labour is polling 40%, it’s important to get an insight into how Corbynistas see the world. In that sense, he’s useful (his YouTube channel isn’t bad either - his interviews with various political figures including JRM, Hitchens and Soubry are pretty interesting). As it happens, I think the charge of ‘groupthink’ is something which could be applied to both the Labour Party leadership and the media.
Yes, I follow Owen Jones on Twitter. But (imo) his desperation to be allowed back into the Corbynite circle of trust [which he'll never be] has increasingly affected the quality of his output.
Back into?
Yes, before the great betrayal...
I thought that before that he was a Blairite whipping dog who then ratted to join the proletariat heros. Surprised that a rat ever got inside the circle of trust... that he re-ratted* is just proof that it should never happen again.
* and only Churchill gets to re-re-rat. And Owen ain’t Churchill...
You can join the heroes from whatever tradition cf. Emily Thornberry. But betrayal can't ever be forgiven.
Any one can join, but that’s different to being in the circle of trust? Has Thornberry achieved that?
I think she has. If not before last night's QT, then certainly now.
Anyone got the Perth & Kinross result yet? Its actually quite key as the Council is currently 16 Tories, 15 SNP plus some also rans. If the SNP win they may well regain control of the Council.
Kevin Alcock - @kevina364: Highland (Perth & Kinross) 1st pref Con 1907 SNP 1466 Ind 280 Lab 239 Green 104 LD 79 Ind 12 - Con Hold after round 6 on STV -1st Pref Swing (May 2017) SNP-Con 1.9%
Good results for the Tories in both Wales and Scotland today then
Turnout in the Highland ward was 56%. Pretty incredible for a local authority by-election. It really is trench warfare in that part of Scotland between the Tories and the SNP.
You have to assume, on those figures, then many voters did not wait until the second round to give SCons their vote
Anyone got the Perth & Kinross result yet? Its actually quite key as the Council is currently 16 Tories, 15 SNP plus some also rans. If the SNP win they may well regain control of the Council.
Kevin Alcock - @kevina364: Highland (Perth & Kinross) 1st pref Con 1907 SNP 1466 Ind 280 Lab 239 Green 104 LD 79 Ind 12 - Con Hold after round 6 on STV -1st Pref Swing (May 2017) SNP-Con 1.9%
Good results for the Tories in both Wales and Scotland today then
Turnout in the Highland ward was 56%. Pretty incredible for a local authority by-election. It really is trench warfare in that part of Scotland between the Tories and the SNP.
So effective that the SNP MP is now anti-referendum
Anyone got the Perth & Kinross result yet? Its actually quite key as the Council is currently 16 Tories, 15 SNP plus some also rans. If the SNP win they may well regain control of the Council.
Kevin Alcock - @kevina364: Highland (Perth & Kinross) 1st pref Con 1907 SNP 1466 Ind 280 Lab 239 Green 104 LD 79 Ind 12 - Con Hold after round 6 on STV -1st Pref Swing (May 2017) SNP-Con 1.9%
Good results for the Tories in both Wales and Scotland today then
Turnout in the Highland ward was 56%. Pretty incredible for a local authority by-election. It really is trench warfare in that part of Scotland between the Tories and the SNP.
I suspect the SNP are unlikely to regain much if any from the Tory GE gains last time and they face bigger pressure from Labour in the central belt.
Some people may not like Owen Jones (I don’t agree with all of what he says) but in period in which Corbyn’s Labour is polling 40%, it’s important to get an insight into how Corbynistas see the world. In that sense, he’s useful (his YouTube channel isn’t bad either - his interviews with various political figures including JRM, Hitchens and Soubry are pretty interesting). As it happens, I think the charge of ‘groupthink’ is something which could be applied to both the Labour Party leadership and the media.
Yes, I follow Owen Jones on Twitter. But (imo) his desperation to be allowed back into the Corbynite circle of trust [which he'll never be] has increasingly affected the quality of his output.
He also doesn't get how the left view gay rights. Clue: look at Russia.
Can you you give us a break down of the leftist ideology of the governing United Russia party, just for clarity's sake?
The 1.9% SNP-Tory swing since 2017 on turnout of 4086 should be worth an additional 77 votes to the Tories. Pete Wishart's majority in Perth and North Perthshire is 21.
I just noticed the cracking betting heat between @Charles and @AlastairMeeks as to who reaches my vote tally from last year first (19,182, not that I remember details like that, you understand).
I just noticed the cracking betting heat between @Charles and @AlastairMeeks as to who reaches my vote tally from last year first (19,182, not that I remember details like that, you understand).
@DavidL has already pipped both of us to that post.
I just noticed the cracking betting heat between @Charles and @AlastairMeeks as to who reaches my vote tally from last year first (19,182, not that I remember details like that, you understand).
@DavidL has already pipped both of us to that post.
Sailed past like a true Scottish Tory (well, most of the time).
In plain English, if you don't switch, your chance remains the random 1/3rd that you had at the outset. Whereas it is more likely (2/3rds) than not (1/3rd) that you have chosen one goat and the host is showing you the other, therefore you should switch.
Some people may not like Owen Jones (I don’t agree with all of what he says) but in period in which Corbyn’s Labour is polling 40%, it’s important to get an insight into how Corbynistas see the world. In that sense, he’s useful (his YouTube channel isn’t bad either - his interviews with various political figures including JRM, Hitchens and Soubry are pretty interesting). As it happens, I think the charge of ‘groupthink’ is something which could be applied to both the Labour Party leadership and the media.
Yes, I follow Owen Jones on Twitter. But (imo) his desperation to be allowed back into the Corbynite circle of trust [which he'll never be] has increasingly affected the quality of his output.
He also doesn't get how the left view gay rights. Clue: look at Russia.
Can you you give us a break down of the leftist ideology of the governing United Russia party, just for clarity's sake?
Ask the Russian ambassador to the UK. He'll give you the answer you want..
Some people may not like Owen Jones (I don’t agree with all of what he says) but in period in which Corbyn’s Labour is polling 40%, it’s important to get an insight into how Corbynistas see the world. In that sense, he’s useful (his YouTube channel isn’t bad either - his interviews with various political figures including JRM, Hitchens and Soubry are pretty interesting). As it happens, I think the charge of ‘groupthink’ is something which could be applied to both the Labour Party leadership and the media.
Yes, I follow Owen Jones on Twitter. But (imo) his desperation to be allowed back into the Corbynite circle of trust [which he'll never be] has increasingly affected the quality of his output.
He also doesn't get how the left view gay rights. Clue: look at Russia.
Can you you give us a break down of the leftist ideology of the governing United Russia party, just for clarity's sake?
Ask the Russian ambassador to the UK. He'll give you the answer you want..
In plain English, if you don't switch, your chance remains the random 1/3rd that you had at the outset. Whereas it is more likely (2/3rds) than not (1/3rd) that you have chosen one goat and the host is showing you the other, therefore you should switch.
Talking of Russia, the main topic on the daily political talkshow on state TV yesterday was "Syria fake gives Russia the advantage in the information war".
Can we change the subject and talk about something less controversial and depressing, like Brexit?
You chose door 1. Theresa May opens door 3 and reveals a grindingly mediocre future where we are bound to EU rules with no say, and we become a client state. Do you switch?
In plain English, if you don't switch, your chance remains the random 1/3rd that you had at the outset. Whereas it is more likely (2/3rds) than not (1/3rd) that you have chosen one goat and the host is showing you the other, therefore you should switch.
JESUS CHRIST WE ARE NOT HAVING THIS AGAIN
unless those seventh day folks have the last laugh...
I think Owen Jones is undoubtedly right about the nepotism and cronyism that exists in the mainstream print media. What I find perplexing is why he doesn't rail against exactly the same thing in the and around the Labour leadership team. The number of privately-educated, middle class, middle aged men that Corbyn surrounds himself with is way and above the proportion that exist within society generally.
Ironically, Jones himself jumped straight into being a columnist in a national newspaper without having done any of the journalistic legwork that most columnists have done. He has never worked in the newsroom of a national paper or a local one, he has never covered a beat, he does not have short-hand, he has never been a reporter or a correspondent. I can understand why all those journalists who have - however they got their jobs - will be pissed off at his comments.
In my little world - which is B2B - there are very few people who owe their positions to anything other than hard work, inside industry knowledge and talent. Nobody's daddy ever got them a job on IAM or WTR, I can tell you :-)
Well, Nadal crushed Thiem. Pretty poor considering the (not counting today's match) 5-2 record, expected it to be a shade closer.
Edited extra bit: I see someone considered the below post to be off-topic. It's a post about politics, on a politics site. It's hard to see how it can be more on-topic without actually including a tip. *sighs*
"Mr. W, not seen that, but there was a recent BBC three part series about the changes Crown Prince Thingummyjig are making in Saudi Arabia. It was quite interesting (rather Brave New World[ish], with more commercial/social freedom but, if anything, even less political freedom)."
I think Owen Jones is undoubtedly right about the nepotism and cronyism that exists in the mainstream print media. What I find perplexing is why he doesn't rail against exactly the same thing in the and around the Labour leadership team. The number of privately-educated, middle class, middle aged men that Corbyn surrounds himself with is way and above the proportion that exist within society generally.
Ironically, Jones himself jumped straight into being a columnist in a national newspaper without having done any of the journalistic legwork that most columnists have done. He has never worked in the newsroom of a national paper or a local one, he has never covered a beat, he does not have short-hand, he has never been a reporter or a correspondent. I can understand why all those journalists who have - however they got their jobs - will be pissed off at his comments.
In my little world - which is B2B - there are very few people who owe their positions to anything other than hard work, inside industry knowledge and talent. Nobody's daddy ever got them a job on IAM or WTR, I can tell you :-)
Some people may not like Owen Jones (I don’t agree with all of what he says) but in period in which Corbyn’s Labour is polling 40%, it’s important to get an insight into how Corbynistas see the world. In that sense, he’s useful (his YouTube channel isn’t bad either - his interviews with various political figures including JRM, Hitchens and Soubry are pretty interesting). As it happens, I think the charge of ‘groupthink’ is something which could be applied to both the Labour Party leadership and the media.
Yes, I follow Owen Jones on Twitter. But (imo) his desperation to be allowed back into the Corbynite circle of trust [which he'll never be] has increasingly affected the quality of his output.
He also doesn't get how the left view gay rights. Clue: look at Russia.
Can you you give us a break down of the leftist ideology of the governing United Russia party, just for clarity's sake?
Ask the Russian ambassador to the UK. He'll give you the answer you want..
Which countries do you think have a better media than Britain? At least here we have the BBC.
The German media are significantly better IMO. The broadsheet:tabloid balance is reversed (only one big tabloid) and they try to give a reasonable airing to different viewpoints. Television is BBC-level neutral - they do have pundits expressing an opinion, but always big a big sign behind them saying "OPINION" - which is fair enough.
I also think the US print media aren't that bad - USA Today makes a positive fetish of publishing both sides. The main problem is that they just aren't very interested in foreign news at all, worse than the British media (who in turn are much worse than most Continental media that I've seen).
Perhaps Owen Jones (Oxbridge) would like to start #changeiscoming by voluntarily give up his Guardian column and giving it to a non-oxbridge journalist?
Perhaps Owen Jones (Oxbridge) would like to start #changeiscoming by voluntarily give up his Guardian column and giving it to a non-oxbridge journalist?
Thought not...
Or perhaps he could be on performance related pay, based upon profits / sales of the Guardian?
#OwenJonesGate seems to have proved a bottletrap for stone-throwing glasshouse dwellers of many different stripes. David Aaronovitch having the effrontery to accuse someone else of being a pamphleteer is particularly ripe.
In my little world - which is B2B - there are very few people who owe their positions to anything other than hard work, inside industry knowledge and talent. Nobody's daddy ever got them a job on IAM or WTR, I can tell you :-)
Probably because, like me, their dads had no idea what they were?
#OwenJonesGate seems to have proved a bottletrap for stone-throwing glasshouse dwellers of many different stripes. David Aaronovitch having the effrontery to accuse someone else of being a pamphleteer is particularly ripe.
At least noone could ever accuse Nicholas Soames of getting where he is today through family connections.
#OwenJonesGate seems to have proved a bottletrap for stone-throwing glasshouse dwellers of many different stripes. David Aaronovitch having the effrontery to accuse someone else of being a pamphleteer is particularly ripe.
Bit harsh.
Aaronovitch began his career as researcher, then producer of Weekend World. So I think that counts as having a proper grounding in journalism.
Perhaps Owen Jones (Oxbridge) would like to start #changeiscoming by voluntarily give up his Guardian column and giving it to a non-oxbridge journalist?
Thought not...
Or perhaps he could be on performance related pay, based upon profits / sales of the Guardian?
Some people may not like Owen Jones (I don’t agree with all of what he says) but in period in which Corbyn’s Labour is polling 40%, it’s important to get an insight into how Corbynistas see the world. In that sense, he’s useful (his YouTube channel isn’t bad either - his interviews with various political figures including JRM, Hitchens and Soubry are pretty interesting). As it happens, I think the charge of ‘groupthink’ is something which could be applied to both the Labour Party leadership and the media.
Yes, I follow Owen Jones on Twitter. But (imo) his desperation to be allowed back into the Corbynite circle of trust [which he'll never be] has increasingly affected the quality of his output.
He also doesn't get how the left view gay rights. Clue: look at Russia.
Can you you give us a break down of the leftist ideology of the governing United Russia party, just for clarity's sake?
Ask the Russian ambassador to the UK. He'll give you the answer you want..
#OwenJonesGate seems to have proved a bottletrap for stone-throwing glasshouse dwellers of many different stripes. David Aaronovitch having the effrontery to accuse someone else of being a pamphleteer is particularly ripe.
Bit harsh.
Aaronovitch began his career as researcher, then producer of Weekend World. So I think that counts as having a proper grounding in journalism.
He spent most of Tony Blair's second term of office cheerleading for war.
Some people may not like Owen Jones (I don’t agree with all of what he says) but in period in which Corbyn’s Labour is polling 40%, it’s important to get an insight into how Corbynistas see the world. In that sense, he’s useful (his YouTube channel isn’t bad either - his interviews with various political figures including JRM, Hitchens and Soubry are pretty interesting). As it happens, I think the charge of ‘groupthink’ is something which could be applied to both the Labour Party leadership and the media.
Yes, I follow Owen Jones on Twitter. But (imo) his desperation to be allowed back into the Corbynite circle of trust [which he'll never be] has increasingly affected the quality of his output.
He also doesn't get how the left view gay rights. Clue: look at Russia.
Can you you give us a break down of the leftist ideology of the governing United Russia party, just for clarity's sake?
Ask the Russian ambassador to the UK. He'll give you the answer you want..
Some people may not like Owen Jones (I don’t agree with all of what he says) but in period in which Corbyn’s Labour is polling 40%, it’s important to get an insight into how Corbynistas see the world. In that sense, he’s useful (his YouTube channel isn’t bad either - his interviews with various political figures including JRM, Hitchens and Soubry are pretty interesting). As it happens, I think the charge of ‘groupthink’ is something which could be applied to both the Labour Party leadership and the media.
Yes, I follow Owen Jones on Twitter. But (imo) his desperation to be allowed back into the Corbynite circle of trust [which he'll never be] has increasingly affected the quality of his output.
He also doesn't get how the left view gay rights. Clue: look at Russia.
Can you you give us a break down of the leftist ideology of the governing United Russia party, just for clarity's sake?
Ask the Russian ambassador to the UK. He'll give you the answer you want..
It's ok, you can just admit you don't know.
Oops Jeremy you got me and win an Order of Lenin.
IIRC uniondivvie supports the SNP.
Yes, I have had a suspicion for some time that his name on here is intended to be ironic.
#OwenJonesGate seems to have proved a bottletrap for stone-throwing glasshouse dwellers of many different stripes. David Aaronovitch having the effrontery to accuse someone else of being a pamphleteer is particularly ripe.
#OwenJonesGate seems to have proved a bottletrap for stone-throwing glasshouse dwellers of many different stripes. David Aaronovitch having the effrontery to accuse someone else of being a pamphleteer is particularly ripe.
At least noone could ever accuse Nicholas Soames of getting where he is today through family connections.
I have to say that "appalling little shitweasel" isn't really up there with his grandfather's ringing oratory. Then again who knows what Winston would have done with Twitter?
On the subject of the media, I commend the Guardian for two outstanding pieces of investigative journalism on Cambridge Analytica and Windrush. Potentiallya third one with their on-going investigation into the murder of Maltese journalist Daphne Caruana Galizia.
The results for the country are rather less catastrophic this time. Although I am sure that his twitter account was an excellent source of comedic material for those so inclined.
Why delete your account over something so minor? Just delete the tweet or say you were mistaken.
Hodges seems to be saying he was hounded off twitter. But I've no idea, not been following this story. Too busy watching #OwenJonesGate
I need to get out more.
Of course Nick Timothy wasn't hounded off twitter. A fair amount of scepticism was expressed firmly and he came in for a degree of mockery as well. But as compared with what some women MPs seem to have to put up with on a daily basis, it didn't even make the needle tremble.
Why delete your account over something so minor? Just delete the tweet or say you were mistaken.
Hodges seems to be saying he was hounded off twitter. But I've no idea, not been following this story. Too busy watching #OwenJonesGate
I need to get out more.
Do I need to stock up on popcorn again?
Think it may be over for time being. All the rich, public school educated journos have headed off for the weekend to their second homes in Cotswolds, where there's no signal.
Think it may be over for time being. All the rich, public school educated journos have headed off for the weekend to their second homes in Cotswolds, where there's no signal.
Why delete your account over something so minor? Just delete the tweet or say you were mistaken.
Hodges seems to be saying he was hounded off twitter. But I've no idea, not been following this story. Too busy watching #OwenJonesGate
I need to get out more.
Of course Nick Timothy wasn't hounded off twitter. A fair amount of scepticism was expressed firmly and he came in for a degree of mockery as well. But as compared with what some women MPs seem to have to put up with on a daily basis, it didn't even make the needle tremble.
Apart from being dishonest, accidentally making his former boss look totally incompetent and incapable of controlling her department, bringing up a completely unhelpful precedent of her behaviour when she was trying to deal with Windrush and being peculiarly inept as political lies go lacking the robustness of, say, tissue paper, what was wrong with his comments?
Don't see anything wrong with what she was trying to achieve except the mistake of people that have been here from the commonwealth for years.
Why don't we admit that the pressures of mass immigration over the last 10/15 years especially from eastern Europe has caused the home office in desperation to look at easy targets like the older generation from the commonwealth.
Don't see anything wrong with what she was trying to achieve except the mistake of people that have been here from the commonwealth for years.
Why don't we admit that the pressures of mass immigration over the last 10/15 years especially from eastern Europe has caused the home office in desperation to look at easy targets like the older generation from the commonwealth.
Don't see anything wrong with what she was trying to achieve except the mistake of people that have been here from the commonwealth for years.
Why don't we admit that the pressures of mass immigration over the last 10/15 years especially from eastern Europe has caused the home office in desperation to look at easy targets like the older generation from the commonwealth.
"Do you approve/disapprove of Corbyn's performance"
The more you delve into Mrs May's past in the Home Office the murkier it gets. The problem with Corbyn's performance is that he's given her a free ride. All this sackcloth and ashes stuff over Labour's anti-Semitism-which was never going to fly because people didn't buy it-was a hue mistake. Mrs May who should now be on the verge of committing hara-kiri looks like she might get away with it
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Just saying.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Probability_diagram_for_Monty_Hall_problem.gif
https://twitter.com/leomiklasz/status/987298458108399621
Ironically, Jones himself jumped straight into being a columnist in a national newspaper without having done any of the journalistic legwork that most columnists have done. He has never worked in the newsroom of a national paper or a local one, he has never covered a beat, he does not have short-hand, he has never been a reporter or a correspondent. I can understand why all those journalists who have - however they got their jobs - will be pissed off at his comments.
In my little world - which is B2B - there are very few people who owe their positions to anything other than hard work, inside industry knowledge and talent. Nobody's daddy ever got them a job on IAM or WTR, I can tell you :-)
Well, Nadal crushed Thiem. Pretty poor considering the (not counting today's match) 5-2 record, expected it to be a shade closer.
Edited extra bit: I see someone considered the below post to be off-topic. It's a post about politics, on a politics site. It's hard to see how it can be more on-topic without actually including a tip. *sighs*
"Mr. W, not seen that, but there was a recent BBC three part series about the changes Crown Prince Thingummyjig are making in Saudi Arabia. It was quite interesting (rather Brave New World[ish], with more commercial/social freedom but, if anything, even less political freedom)."
https://twitter.com/DAaronovitch/status/987281533013757953
I also think the US print media aren't that bad - USA Today makes a positive fetish of publishing both sides. The main problem is that they just aren't very interested in foreign news at all, worse than the British media (who in turn are much worse than most Continental media that I've seen).
Thought not...
Aaronovitch began his career as researcher, then producer of Weekend World. So I think that counts as having a proper grounding in journalism.
I need to get out more.
I assume dark blue is double Tory? The voters were so enthusiastic about them that they voted twice.
Why don't we admit that the pressures of mass immigration over the last 10/15 years especially from eastern Europe has caused the home office in desperation to look at easy targets like the older generation from the commonwealth.
Light blue: Tory who went to Cambridge.
The more you delve into Mrs May's past in the Home Office the murkier it gets. The problem with Corbyn's performance is that he's given her a free ride. All this sackcloth and ashes stuff over Labour's anti-Semitism-which was never going to fly because people didn't buy it-was a hue mistake. Mrs May who should now be on the verge of committing hara-kiri looks like she might get away with it