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I simply don't understand why Jeremy Corbyn has left the chamber for this debate on antisemitism. I had him down as all sorts of things. I never had him down as a coward.
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Good evening, everyone.
Fucking awful and depressing.
After nearly 40 years of comradeship and nearly 30 sharing a bench I thought I knew everything about #JeremyCorbyn But even I underestimated his limitless courage and coolness under ferocious fire, not all of it from behind him either #ProudOfCorbyn
Only kidding actually George Galloway
https://twitter.com/sajidjavid/status/986345902209228801
But I wont hold my breath.
The other point is that he is very thick. He possibly thinks antisemitism is a necessary part of the dialectic progression: semitism, antisemitism, synsemitism.
Corbyn has done neither
Corbyn's opponents 'overdo' it because they cannot believe what he is saying and doing, and when they think he cannot get any worse: he does.
No sign on BBC as far as I can tell from first few minutes. I have turned over.
Labour members need to step up to the plate and deal with this - it is not going away
Does it not occur to you that people like Luciana Berger and Ruth Smeeth and others are so passionate and desperate because they have been asking him to do something and he does the bare minimum, giving every impression of having been forced into it and undermines his statements by his actions? Ruth Smeeth asked him to speak out against the anti-semitic abuse she was receiving from Labour supporters and members a year or so ago and he refused to.
If he is being criticised in somewhat strident tones by some, he has only himself to blame.
He had a golden opportunity during this debate to speak out clearly and forcefully, to send a message, to set the tone, to lead by example. He chose not to. It is shameful of him and his behaviour shames the Labour party.
Will you cancel your subscription as well?
Labour has a dirty, disgusting problem and it needs action
There were certainly a lot of Labour people saying they would be complaining over that affair.
The fact that he has not bothered to speak, the great passionate campaigner, militant fighter against racism, he called himself recently, in a Parliamentary debate on this very topic is a rather more telling criticism.
Not that he is an anti-semite but that he simply does not understand the importance of showing real moral and politicsl leadership on a subject which is causing distress to an ethnic minority and to a significant number of his own MPs and some decent Labour supporters, as well as others.
Far easier to pretend that it’s all about him and misdirected and non-existent, eh!
When did the Labour party turn into a narcissistic Corbyn fan club?
Utterly depressed tonight
More seriously, here: https://twitter.com/lucianaberger/status/986328782599540737
https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/986341847885893632
I would suggest you watch Luciana Berger and Ruth Smeeth's contrbutions to see why my wife and I shed tears.
edit: could be bot though...
Never worked for or belonged to any political party before - but these are dangerous times and the Labour party are becoming dangerous
You have been told countless times but keep repeating the lie.
https://labourlist.org/2018/04/richard-angell-if-corbyn-wants-to-rid-labour-of-antisemitism-he-could-clean-up-twitter/
Then have a look at the comments. Bloody hell. Heads in sands. Fingers in ears. La-di-da-di-da. Can't hear you. Oh and aren't the Board of Deputies of British Jews all white so doesn't that mean actually they're the racist ones? And they have "backgrounds in finance and banking"? And why are traitor Labour MPs mentioning abuse in the Labour party when this would be a great opportunity to attack Tory anti-Semitism - oh that's because they're all right-wing "Labour" Jew traitors who would prefer the Tories to be in government than for the Left to be in charge of Labour. And besides it's been funded and conspired by right-wing smearers to drone out people who voice pro-Palestine opinions. Some extreme Jews in Israel have said anti-black things so definitely it's the Jews who are the Real Racists. Anyway I'm fed up with Jewish whining.
Gooooood grief. What a bloody cess-pit.
If anyone hasn't done so, have a listen to at least the Smeeth, Berger and Mann speeches. Very powerful stuff. And potentially a long and up-hill battle ahead of them.
But the notion that when accused of harbouring racism and prejudice against a group as a whole, you can refuse to meet the representative bodies of the vast majority of that group, and then go to a
If a Conservative Politician accused of hating Muslims refused to meet any mainstream Muslim groups and excused himself by going for dinner with Salman Rushdie, Maajid Nawaz, and Ayaan Hirsi Ali, oh and by the way at the dinner the names of prominent UK muslim leaders are read out and booed, the left would be screaming "off with his head".
It's barely a step up from the Palestine Solidarity lot parading Neturei Karta at their demos, frankly.
25 mins in!!!!!!
I honestly don't know how he finds the time as he has a day job.
“The Labour party is a moral crusade or it is nothing.”
Race has re-entered politics with a vengeance after the EU referendum. Sadly, none of the Leavers on here who so stridently condemn Jeremy Corbyn have yet found themselves able to accept that the Leave campaign pandered to xenophobia. They should concentrate on getting their own house in order before luxuriating in condemning opponents.
* No "easy option" of voting Lib Dem or Green as a "none of the above", conscience-absolving wasted vote either. I currently hold those parties in absolute contempt over Brexit. In one EU election where I was not satisfied by Labour's line on the EU (but didn't want to feel I was supporting the more racist fringe of UKIP) I have been known to vote for an anti-EU left bloc full of proper Communists. And I hate Communism, it's a system of government that has killed tens of millions of people. But I still somehow feel less guilty about having voted for them, than I can imagine doing about anyone who's going to appear on my ballot paper in a few days.
I've never not voted. Always thought the memory of those people who fought to win me my ballot deserved it. But this is an absolute shower all round. What I would give for a Residents' Association!!!
Is he back in Labour? I've lost track.
The Passover seder was of course after 25th March.
Bit difficult to criticse him for not meeting people who didn't want to meet him so he meet a different group.
Well I say difficult but when did carefully constructed propaganda designed to create a narrative need to be true....
Onto which I should point out the people jailed for Luciana Berger have been neo-nazi's (at least the ones I've found) who started a campaign against her before Corbyn even became leader. One of the people jailed in one of his abusive tweets called her a communist something.
I assume this is still Corbyn's fault though, as I guess the idea behind the debate was people would talk about their experiences with anti-semitism, some people would call out Corbyn and then the two could be linked in some people's minds even when they are not.
Here's a GOP Congressman saying he's never heard Trump lie. He must be deaf as a post.
http://www.newsweek.com/gop-lawmaker-jim-jordan-donald-trump-never-lied-889057
You can easily imagine a similar ridiculous denial regarding some aspect of Corbyn's character coming from a loyal Labour MP.
I've no doubt that in the long term the GOP will bitterly regret getting into bed with Trump. The same will apply to the Labour Party if they don't have the sense to stop Corbyn and co. before it is too late.
As happened with Cameron over Brexit and the Republicans with the Tea Party...you show these ideologues a titillating taste of a bone, and they whack your arm off, and then your'e fucked......
1. Not all the people on here condemning Corbyn are Leavers and some have condemned the way the Leave campaign spoke about immigration and the language used by our politicians since the referendum; and
2. Problems with anti-semitism in Labour and Corbyn’s attitude to it predated the referendum. Corbyn was criticised precisely because of his history and background when he was a candidate for leader because of the concern that he would drag the Labour party down to his level.
June 2016 was not some sort of Year Zero for racist/xenophobic attitudes.
"Neo-nazi's" or "Brexiteers"? It's getting kinda hard to tell the difference*.
(link of person who liked Brexit but said racist stuff goes here)
*Said to make a point, I don't think leave voters are racist.
That is what he is being criticised for. Are you happy with that? He was apparently OK with people claiming to be his supporters to spew out racist filth against a Labour MP and his response was ...... silence.
And I don't disagree that Ken Livingstone (and others like him) should be expelled, and that it doesn't reflect well on the Labour "powers that be" that he hasn't been. But getting that sorted is inevitably going to be much harder when right-wing commentators are making it seem like the whole thing is a concerted campaign against Corbyn, when they criticise him for things like the Jewdas seder. As I said, I could see the sea-change in Labour members' attitudes on Twitter after that story broke -- when the criticism against a party starts to become self-evidently ridiculous, that party's members are always going to "close ranks" rather than confront their own weaknesses (which was starting to happen before the Jewdas story).
British politics is very depressing right now.
61% think labour have a problem with racism or religious prejudice with only UKIP receiving a comparable score
Just think of that for a minute