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Just been sacked by @jeremycorbyn for my long held views on the damage #Brexit will do to the Good Friday Agreement & the economy of the entire U.K. Those views are shared by Labour members & supporters and I will continue to speak up for them, and in the interest of our country.

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oxfordsimon

It is hard to disagree with him.

oxfordsimon

Did I finally get a first?

SouthamObserver

It’ll cost Labour a few more votes and make a Tory victory at the next GE more certain, but inside the party it will make absolutely no difference whatsoever.

dr_spyn

Corbyn is found out to be looking at anti-semitic murals didn't know what it was. Perhaps he had been looking for Nazi frescos which had been discovered in a Berlin bunker.

The sacking of Owen Smith is a diversion, and Corbyn knows it. He should go.

Barnesian

Bananas

JWisemann

Looks like the chicken coup was one of those bits of history that skipped tragedy and went straight on to farce repeated ad infinitum.

MikeSmithson

Just noticed - PB was stated fourteen years ago today

Casino_Royale

MikeSmithson said:

Just noticed - PB was stated fourteen years ago today

Huge congratulations, Mike. We owe you (and still do owe you) a great debt.

Barnesian

MikeSmithson said:

Just noticed - PB was stated fourteen years ago today

Where have those fourteen years gone?

In that time, I compute that I have spent about two 40 hour weeks typing posts, and about twenty-five 40 hour weeks reading posts. Jesus. Is there a PB Anonymous for addicts?

Richard_Nabavi

MikeSmithson said:

Just noticed - PB was stated fourteen years ago today

Happy Birthday PB!

14, eh? A difficult age..

JWisemann

Here’s to another 14 years of hilariously bizarre extraordinarily right-wing comment threads, and may we finally see a cure for the scourge of corbyn derangement syndrome within that time.

Tykejohnno

MikeSmithson said:

Just noticed - PB was stated fourteen years ago today

Yes, congrats Mr Smithson,I know some on here started with you from the beginning.

I must be heading for the 10 to 11 years ;-)

Big_G_NorthWales

MikeSmithson said:

Just noticed - PB was stated fourteen years ago today

Many congratulations -a very important forum for the nation

kle4

JWisemann said:

Here’s to another 14 years of hilariously bizarre extraordinarily right-wing comment threads, and may we finally see a cure for the scourge of corbyn derangement syndrome within that time.

There's a simple fix for Corbyn derangement syndrome, though I doubt it will happen for many years.

And may there be a fix for 'everyone who disagrees with me is x-wing' syndrome as well, when there are also people from the other wing who feel the same way.

steve_garner

Streeting's a keyboard warrior, just like the rest of them. Where's the beef?

ydoethur

MikeSmithson said:

Just noticed - PB was stated fourteen years ago today

You did a thread header on Ken Livingstone then.

And we are verily still talking about Ken Livingstone now.

We are also still fairly certain about him.

Happy birthday PB and many congratulations to all the family.

nielh

MikeSmithson said:

Just noticed - PB was stated fourteen years ago today

An incredible run for a blog, and as good as ever.

edit - thanks for running the blog, and putting up with some of the commentators.

kle4

In all honesty though, how could this blow up in his face? Those who follow politics closely are well aware of all the myriad allegations that Corbyn has not been tough enough on this issue, and if those who don't follow politics were not aware, why will they become aware now? Particularly when the sacking of Smith will divert attention and it seems people like Streeting will only ever resort to being catty on twitter and providing unsourced quotes to journalists (I don't know that he does that, but clearly some do it).

Tykejohnno

JWisemann said:

Here’s to another 14 years of hilariously bizarre extraordinarily right-wing comment threads, and may we finally see a cure for the scourge of corbyn derangement syndrome within that time.

Since the referendum,I miss the days of a right-wing comment thread.

ydoethur

Tykejohnno said:

MikeSmithson said:

Just noticed - PB was stated fourteen years ago today

Yes, congrats Mr Smithson,I know some on here started with you from the beginning.

I must be heading for the 10 to 11 years ;-)

I first posted in 2007. I was still a student and had a full head of hair in them days.

MikeSmithson

Richard_Nabavi said:

MikeSmithson said:

Just noticed - PB was stated fourteen years ago today

Happy Birthday PB!

14, eh? A difficult age..

I was still in my 50s when PB started on March 23 2004. I'm now in my 70s - three weeks older than Donald Trump

oxfordsimon

It is difficult to understand why Smith and Abbott say the same thing but only the one who hasn't slept with Corbyn gets the sack.

Oh. Perhaps it isn't that difficult to understand...

saddo

Congrats on 14 years, only discovered you in 2005 (a few id's ago)

kle4

MikeSmithson said:

Just noticed - PB was stated fourteen years ago today

I shall congratulate and condemn you in equal measure. I used to not be obsessed by political minutiae, I was just passing time in a dull first job after university when the 2010 GE was happening (it was a 6 month 'get them off the unemployment list' placement, and literally there was no more than like an hour's worth of work to do a day). Gave me a lot of time to check out political blogs.

JWisemann

Streeting will be deselected, along with a handful of other hard-right nutcases that really shouldn't be in the party. Then life will go on.

ydoethur

oxfordsimon said:

It is difficult to understand why Smith and Abbott say the same thing but only the one who hasn't slept with Corbyn gets the sack.

Oh. Perhaps it isn't that difficult to understand...

Well, I don't know. Smith was comprehensively buggered by Corbyn a couple of years back. That was very much in public as well, like his trophy parading of Abbott to all his friends.

Richard_Nabavi

MikeSmithson said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

MikeSmithson said:

Just noticed - PB was stated fourteen years ago today

Happy Birthday PB!

14, eh? A difficult age..

I was still in my 50s when PB started on March 23 2004. I'm now in my 70s - three weeks older than Donald Trump

70 is the new 50.

Tykejohnno

ydoethur said:

Tykejohnno said:

MikeSmithson said:

Just noticed - PB was stated fourteen years ago today

Yes, congrats Mr Smithson,I know some on here started with you from the beginning.

I must be heading for the 10 to 11 years ;-)

I first posted in 2007. I was still a student and had a full head of hair in them days.

Don't you miss the post rating system,I do,Tim didn't like it though ;-)

ydoethur

Tykejohnno said:

ydoethur said:

Tykejohnno said:

MikeSmithson said:

Just noticed - PB was stated fourteen years ago today

Yes, congrats Mr Smithson,I know some on here started with you from the beginning.

I must be heading for the 10 to 11 years ;-)

I first posted in 2007. I was still a student and had a full head of hair in them days.

Don't you miss the post rating system,I do,Tim didn't like it though ;-)

I used to get quite a lot of upvotes.

Tim was a character. His spats with Plato were something else!

kle4

Perhaps it would always be termed this way, but I like the BBC headline 'Jeremy Corbyn sacks Labour frontbencher' for the (accurate) assumption if it said he's sacked Owen Smith no one would know who he was. I hadn't realised he had crawled back to the shadow cabinet.

SouthamObserver

JWisemann said:

Streeting will be deselected, along with a handful of other hard-right nutcases that really shouldn't be in the party. Then life will go on.

Lose the Jews, eh?

swing_voter

Just listening to the Owen Smith row...Isnt Corbyn's position about Trident also in contravention of Front Bench policy, should he not sack himself? Labour's position on Europe really needs a good airing

bigjohnowls

SouthamObserver said:

JWisemann said:

Streeting will be deselected, along with a handful of other hard-right nutcases that really shouldn't be in the party. Then life will go on.

Lose the Jews, eh?

Is that what he said?

I thought he said sack the hard right nutcases.

JWisemann

SouthamObserver said:

JWisemann said:

Streeting will be deselected, along with a handful of other hard-right nutcases that really shouldn't be in the party. Then life will go on.

Lose the Jews, eh?

I don’t know. I’m not the one who seems to have an obsession with who is or isn’t jewish. (Is Wes? I just had him down as a careerist quisling.)

steve_garner

bigjohnowls said:

SouthamObserver said:

JWisemann said:

Streeting will be deselected, along with a handful of other hard-right nutcases that really shouldn't be in the party. Then life will go on.

Lose the Jews, eh?

Is that what he said?

I thought he said sack the hard right nutcases.

Diane said there should be another referendum. How come she was not sacked? It's all about whether your face fits in Corbyn's Labour Party is it not?

kle4

bigjohnowls said:

SouthamObserver said:

JWisemann said:

Streeting will be deselected, along with a handful of other hard-right nutcases that really shouldn't be in the party. Then life will go on.

Lose the Jews, eh?

Is that what he said?

I thought he said sack the hard right nutcases.

Genuine question - how do hard right nutcases find their way into what was, at most, a centre-left party, and even be part of its ruling clique in some cases? Clearly the party had not as a whole gone hard right or else the true believers like Corbyn would have, on principle, left the party.

bigjohnowls

5 years since i joined and the % of my posts containing EICIPM continues to plummet

Slackbladder

bigjohnowls said:

5 years since i joined and the % of my posts containing EICIPM continues to plummet

It's just taken a boost now

ydoethur

swing_voter said:

Just listening to the Owen Smith row...Isnt Corbyn's position about Trident also in contravention of Front Bench policy, should he not sack himself? Labour's position on Europe really needs a good airing

And if hard-right nutcases are being deselected, then there will surely be trouble in Islington!

Slackbladder

swing_voter said:

Just listening to the Owen Smith row...Isnt Corbyn's position about Trident also in contravention of Front Bench policy, should he not sack himself? Labour's position on Europe really needs a good airing

All comrades are equal, but some are more equal than others.
Especially if you had a shagging holiday around Europe together.

FrancisUrquhart

I find it quite bizarre how all bright young things that are most vocal supports of jezza are also extremely vocal in regards to any perceived anti-LGBT or anti-muslim comments such that the likes of Germaine Greer and Peter tachell are bigots that must be no-platformed, but their hero's blind spot to anti-jewish stuff doesn't detract from their hero worship.

Slackbladder

saddo said:

Congrats on 14 years, only discovered you in 2005 (a few id's ago)

I think I joined around 2005, maybe 2007? via Nick Robinsons (at the time ) BBC blog, wow.........

SouthamObserver

bigjohnowls said:

SouthamObserver said:

JWisemann said:

Streeting will be deselected, along with a handful of other hard-right nutcases that really shouldn't be in the party. Then life will go on.

Lose the Jews, eh?

Is that what he said?

I thought he said sack the hard right nutcases.

Of course :-D

oxfordsimon

JWisemann said:

Streeting will be deselected, along with a handful of other hard-right nutcases that really shouldn't be in the party. Then life will go on.

Do you really believe Streeting is hard-right? Really? Really??

*shakes head*

John_M

I first came here in 2006-ish, when my beloved Jenny sent me a link. It's been my guilty pleasure ever since, though I dare say it's seen better days (not Mike's fault of course, just that Brexit does tend to make posters [including me!] somewhat monotonous).

kle4

Since it is such a momentous time for PB, Mr Herdson had better pull out all the stops tomorrow!

Big_G_NorthWales

John_M said:

I first came here in 2006-ish, when my beloved Jenny sent me a link. It's been my guilty pleasure ever since, though I dare say it's seen better days (not Mike's fault of course, just that Brexit does tend to make posters [including me!] somewhat monotonous).

It will change someday - maybe

Slackbladder

FrancisUrquhart said:

I find it quite bizarre how all bright young things that are most vocal supports of jezza are also extremely vocal in regards to any perceived anti-LGBT or anti-muslim comments such that the likes of Germaine Greer and Peter tachell are bigots that must be no-platformed, but their hero's blind spot to anti-jewish stuff doesn't detract from their hero worship.

The simple answer is they are pro-Palestine, and therefore via Israel, and then, combined with the old NWO/ Jewish Conspiracy its a short skip and a jump to full blown anti-Semitism.

ExiledInScotland

Richard_Nabavi said:

MikeSmithson said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

MikeSmithson said:

Just noticed - PB was stated fourteen years ago today

Happy Birthday PB!

14, eh? A difficult age..

I was still in my 50s when PB started on March 23 2004. I'm now in my 70s - three weeks older than Donald Trump

70 is the new 50.

Because it takes an extra 20 years to pay off the mortgage

kle4

Slackbladder said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I find it quite bizarre how all bright young things that are most vocal supports of jezza are also extremely vocal in regards to any perceived anti-LGBT or anti-muslim comments such that the likes of Germaine Greer and Peter tachell are bigots that must be no-platformed, but their hero's blind spot to anti-jewish stuff doesn't detract from their hero worship.

The simple answer is they are pro-Palestine, and therefore via Israel, and then, combined with the old NWO/ Jewish Conspiracy its a short skip and a jump to full blown anti-Semitism.

I think it is a pretty big skip in fairness. I'm sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians, there's no quick steps to go over into anti-semitism.

FrancisUrquhart

kle4 said:

Since it is such a momentous time for PB, Mr Herdson had better pull out all the stops tomorrow!

So it will be an AV, scottish indy ref, brexit, pineapple on pizza, die hard as christmas movie , radiohead are best live band ever mega thread mash up?

Slackbladder

Big_G_NorthWales said:

John_M said:

I first came here in 2006-ish, when my beloved Jenny sent me a link. It's been my guilty pleasure ever since, though I dare say it's seen better days (not Mike's fault of course, just that Brexit does tend to make posters [including me!] somewhat monotonous).

It will change someday - maybe

I must admit the Brexit stuff over the last few years has dominated politics, and its very tedious repeats of arguments over and over.

JWisemann

Or maybe they arent as thick as two short planks and realise that being critical of Israel’s racist far-right government and its appalling history of ongoing human rights abuses is a bit different to ‘hating jews’. The bizarre handful of so-called Labour MPs who seem borderline sexually excited by bombing other countries and flying the flag for Israel (these two ignominious groups seem to overlap 1 to 1 for some reason) don’t sway any sensible thought in the slightest.

FrancisUrquhart said:

I find it quite bizarre how all bright young things that are most vocal supports of jezza are also extremely vocal in regards to any perceived anti-LGBT or anti-muslim comments such that the likes of Germaine Greer and Peter tachell are bigots that must be no-platformed, but their hero's blind spot to anti-jewish stuff doesn't detract from their hero worship.

kle4

Slackbladder said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

John_M said:

I first came here in 2006-ish, when my beloved Jenny sent me a link. It's been my guilty pleasure ever since, though I dare say it's seen better days (not Mike's fault of course, just that Brexit does tend to make posters [including me!] somewhat monotonous).

It will change someday - maybe

I must admit the Brexit stuff over the last few years has dominated politics, and its very tedious repeats of arguments over and over.

Don't worry, people will stop arguing Brexit day to day in about 10 years, when it will become week to week for about. Then we'll be rejoining, so it'll pop back up.

SouthamObserver

oxfordsimon said:

JWisemann said:

Streeting will be deselected, along with a handful of other hard-right nutcases that really shouldn't be in the party. Then life will go on.

Do you really believe Streeting is hard-right? Really? Really??

*shakes head*

If you do not worship Jeremy and overlook his anti-Semitic blind spot, you are, by definition, a hard-right, neo-liberal, pro-austerity, red Tory. Obviously.

Slackbladder

kle4 said:

Slackbladder said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I find it quite bizarre how all bright young things that are most vocal supports of jezza are also extremely vocal in regards to any perceived anti-LGBT or anti-muslim comments such that the likes of Germaine Greer and Peter tachell are bigots that must be no-platformed, but their hero's blind spot to anti-jewish stuff doesn't detract from their hero worship.

The simple answer is they are pro-Palestine, and therefore via Israel, and then, combined with the old NWO/ Jewish Conspiracy its a short skip and a jump to full blown anti-Semitism.

I think it is a pretty big skip in fairness. I'm sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians, there's no quick steps to go over into anti-semitism.

I think most people are sympathetic to the Palestinians, I am too, but the whole Middle East thing poisons so much.

Big_G_NorthWales

kle4 said:

Slackbladder said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

John_M said:

I first came here in 2006-ish, when my beloved Jenny sent me a link. It's been my guilty pleasure ever since, though I dare say it's seen better days (not Mike's fault of course, just that Brexit does tend to make posters [including me!] somewhat monotonous).

It will change someday - maybe

I must admit the Brexit stuff over the last few years has dominated politics, and its very tedious repeats of arguments over and over.

Don't worry, people will stop arguing Brexit day to day in about 10 years, when it will become week to week for about. Then we'll be rejoining, so it'll pop back up.

I expect us to rejoin but we need to leave first in as sensible way as possible

oxfordsimon

A number of PB members have revealed their true colours today. And not in a good way. Their levels of delusion go beyond the tribal. I hope they don't mean what they have said. But I think they probably do.

FrancisUrquhart

I forgot to say also how they manage to limbo dance the hate of Russian trump connections but then very vocal defenders of jezzas limp response and buying into all the batshit conspiracy stuff eg my Facebook was filled with how can we know what this nerve agent was if it has only ever been made in Russian...One step away from flat earther type logic.

kle4

The first three replies to Smith's tweet are a great microcosm of the debate

Clíona McCarney
‏Appalling decision Owen. People in the North greatly appreciate your efforts

maxblunt
Owen is everything people hate about Welsh Labour ....

Steve Crawshaw
‏What the fuck does that mean?!!

alex.

2004 for me! Norris for Mayor! Remember Mike trying on the Betfair forum before he branched off!

Richard_Nabavi

Slackbladder said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I find it quite bizarre how all bright young things that are most vocal supports of jezza are also extremely vocal in regards to any perceived anti-LGBT or anti-muslim comments such that the likes of Germaine Greer and Peter tachell are bigots that must be no-platformed, but their hero's blind spot to anti-jewish stuff doesn't detract from their hero worship.

The simple answer is they are pro-Palestine, and therefore via Israel, and then, combined with the old NWO/ Jewish Conspiracy its a short skip and a jump to full blown anti-Semitism.

And of course they are virulently anti-banker and anti-financier (not that they know anything about banking or finance, of course), and as in the 1930s that too is but a short skip and a jump to anti-Semitism.

Slackbladder

Its that time of the evening when I'm working out what cocktail I can make out of my drinks cabinet, one rusty nail down and one Manhattan....

Benpointer

oxfordsimon said:

JWisemann said:

Streeting will be deselected, along with a handful of other hard-right nutcases that really shouldn't be in the party. Then life will go on.

Do you really believe Streeting is hard-right? Really? Really??

*shakes head*

Soft-left is the new hard-right apparently

Barnesian

Big_G_NorthWales said:

kle4 said:

Slackbladder said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

John_M said:

I first came here in 2006-ish, when my beloved Jenny sent me a link. It's been my guilty pleasure ever since, though I dare say it's seen better days (not Mike's fault of course, just that Brexit does tend to make posters [including me!] somewhat monotonous).

It will change someday - maybe

I must admit the Brexit stuff over the last few years has dominated politics, and its very tedious repeats of arguments over and over.

Don't worry, people will stop arguing Brexit day to day in about 10 years, when it will become week to week for about. Then we'll be rejoining, so it'll pop back up.

I expect us to rejoin but we need to leave first in as sensible way as possible

Just the other side of a frictionless door left half open.

JWisemann

SouthamObserver said:

oxfordsimon said:

JWisemann said:

Streeting will be deselected, along with a handful of other hard-right nutcases that really shouldn't be in the party. Then life will go on.

Do you really believe Streeting is hard-right? Really? Really??

*shakes head*

If you do not worship Jeremy and overlook his anti-Semitic blind spot, you are, by definition, a hard-right, neo-liberal, pro-austerity, red Tory. Obviously.

No, just being tumescently pro-war, obsessively publically supportive of a racist, far-right extremist foreign power, relentlessly pro-privatisation and a perpetual darling of the hard-right media will do it. And not having any ostensibly left-wing beliefs ever knowingly displayed. A simple ‘if the cap fits’ kind of assessment, really. But no, of course he is disliked by Labour members because he is apparently Jewish, though it seems noone actually knew this anyway.

You are the one with the obsession and problem, Joff. Very odd.

Nigelb

kle4 said:

Since it is such a momentous time for PB, Mr Herdson had better pull out all the stops tomorrow!

I believe that's ydoethur's job on Sunday morning.

Benpointer

JWisemann said:

SouthamObserver said:

oxfordsimon said:

JWisemann said:

Streeting will be deselected, along with a handful of other hard-right nutcases that really shouldn't be in the party. Then life will go on.

Do you really believe Streeting is hard-right? Really? Really??

*shakes head*

If you do not worship Jeremy and overlook his anti-Semitic blind spot, you are, by definition, a hard-right, neo-liberal, pro-austerity, red Tory. Obviously.

No, just being tumescently pro-war, obsessively publically supportive of a racist, far-right extremist foreign power, relentlessly pro-privatisation and a perpetual darling of the hard-right media will do it. And not having any ostensibly left-wing beliefs ever knowingly displayed. A simple ‘if the cap fits’ kind of assessment, really. But no, of course he is disliked by Labour members because he is apparently Jewish, though it seems noone actually knew this anyway.

You are the one with the obsession and problem, Joff. Very odd.

Which "racist, far-right extremist foreign power" are you referring to?

ydoethur

Nigelb said:

kle4 said:

Since it is such a momentous time for PB, Mr Herdson had better pull out all the stops tomorrow!

I believe that's ydoethur's job on Sunday morning.

I was sort of hoping for some time off this weekend after the week from hell I've had.

Besides, the organ at Cannock is too powerful. If you pull out all stops you actually can cause damage to the roof (revoicing error in the 1950s).

MarqueeMark

14 years eh? I know I was here for the 2005 Election.

*Gulp!!*

TGOHF

kle4 said:

Slackbladder said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

John_M said:

I first came here in 2006-ish, when my beloved Jenny sent me a link. It's been my guilty pleasure ever since, though I dare say it's seen better days (not Mike's fault of course, just that Brexit does tend to make posters [including me!] somewhat monotonous).

It will change someday - maybe

I must admit the Brexit stuff over the last few years has dominated politics, and its very tedious repeats of arguments over and over.

Don't worry, people will stop arguing Brexit day to day in about 10 years, when it will become week to week for about. Then we'll be rejoining, so it'll pop back up.

We won’t rejoin - the EU is past its sell by date.

Big_G_NorthWales

Slackbladder said:

kle4 said:

Slackbladder said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I find it quite bizarre how all bright young things that are most vocal supports of jezza are also extremely vocal in regards to any perceived anti-LGBT or anti-muslim comments such that the likes of Germaine Greer and Peter tachell are bigots that must be no-platformed, but their hero's blind spot to anti-jewish stuff doesn't detract from their hero worship.

The simple answer is they are pro-Palestine, and therefore via Israel, and then, combined with the old NWO/ Jewish Conspiracy its a short skip and a jump to full blown anti-Semitism.

I think it is a pretty big skip in fairness. I'm sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians, there's no quick steps to go over into anti-semitism.

I think most people are sympathetic to the Palestinians, I am too, but the whole Middle East thing poisons so much.

My wife and I visited Israel at the time of the peace accord with Yasser Arafat and our Jewish guide (ex Auschwitz) drove us through the two road checks before arriving at the walls of Jerico where a Palestinian guard stood on duty

The coach was full of many nationalities and when our Jewish guide embraced the Palestian guard everyone applauded and there were hugs all round and many a tear. I will never forget that moment

I am absolutely neutral though I do not accept the Jewish settlements

Nigelb

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ydoethur said:

Nigelb said:

kle4 said:

Since it is such a momentous time for PB, Mr Herdson had better pull out all the stops tomorrow!

I believe that's ydoethur's job on Sunday morning.

I was sort of hoping for some time off this weekend after the week from hell I've had.

Besides, the organ at Cannock is too powerful. If you pull out all stops you actually can cause damage to the roof (revoicing error in the 1950s).

If it was the same cold I had, I sympathise.

Big_G_NorthWales

Barnesian said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

kle4 said:

Slackbladder said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

John_M said:

I first came here in 2006-ish, when my beloved Jenny sent me a link. It's been my guilty pleasure ever since, though I dare say it's seen better days (not Mike's fault of course, just that Brexit does tend to make posters [including me!] somewhat monotonous).

It will change someday - maybe

I must admit the Brexit stuff over the last few years has dominated politics, and its very tedious repeats of arguments over and over.

Don't worry, people will stop arguing Brexit day to day in about 10 years, when it will become week to week for about. Then we'll be rejoining, so it'll pop back up.

I expect us to rejoin but we need to leave first in as sensible way as possible

Just the other side of a frictionless door left half open.

Maybe

Slackbladder

Oh yeah, just discovered I have Kahula, Vodka and Cream.... White Russian here I come..

Roger

WOW! 14 years ago...

SeanT's wife must have been 3

JWisemann

Benpointer said:

JWisemann said:

SouthamObserver said:

oxfordsimon said:

JWisemann said:

Streeting will be deselected, along with a handful of other hard-right nutcases that really shouldn't be in the party. Then life will go on.

Do you really believe Streeting is hard-right? Really? Really??

*shakes head*

If you do not worship Jeremy and overlook his anti-Semitic blind spot, you are, by definition, a hard-right, neo-liberal, pro-austerity, red Tory. Obviously.

No, just being tumescently pro-war, obsessively publically supportive of a racist, far-right extremist foreign power, relentlessly pro-privatisation and a perpetual darling of the hard-right media will do it. And not having any ostensibly left-wing beliefs ever knowingly displayed. A simple ‘if the cap fits’ kind of assessment, really. But no, of course he is disliked by Labour members because he is apparently Jewish, though it seems noone actually knew this anyway.

You are the one with the obsession and problem, Joff. Very odd.

Which "racist, far-right extremist foreign power" are you referring to?

Obviously Israel, one of Streeting’s unfathomable obsessions and a very unsavoury one.

Big_G_NorthWales

Benpointer said:

JWisemann said:

SouthamObserver said:

oxfordsimon said:

JWisemann said:

Streeting will be deselected, along with a handful of other hard-right nutcases that really shouldn't be in the party. Then life will go on.

Do you really believe Streeting is hard-right? Really? Really??

*shakes head*

If you do not worship Jeremy and overlook his anti-Semitic blind spot, you are, by definition, a hard-right, neo-liberal, pro-austerity, red Tory. Obviously.

No, just being tumescently pro-war, obsessively publically supportive of a racist, far-right extremist foreign power, relentlessly pro-privatisation and a perpetual darling of the hard-right media will do it. And not having any ostensibly left-wing beliefs ever knowingly displayed. A simple ‘if the cap fits’ kind of assessment, really. But no, of course he is disliked by Labour members because he is apparently Jewish, though it seems noone actually knew this anyway.

You are the one with the obsession and problem, Joff. Very odd.

Which "racist, far-right extremist foreign power" are you referring to?

It is getting a bit late to get exercised by him Ben

Sean_F

Richard_Nabavi said:

Slackbladder said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I find it quite bizarre how all bright young things that are most vocal supports of jezza are also extremely vocal in regards to any perceived anti-LGBT or anti-muslim comments such that the likes of Germaine Greer and Peter tachell are bigots that must be no-platformed, but their hero's blind spot to anti-jewish stuff doesn't detract from their hero worship.

The simple answer is they are pro-Palestine, and therefore via Israel, and then, combined with the old NWO/ Jewish Conspiracy its a short skip and a jump to full blown anti-Semitism.

And of course they are virulently anti-banker and anti-financier (not that they know anything about banking or finance, of course), and as in the 1930s that too is but a short skip and a jump to anti-Semitism.

So, you get someone painting a mural of stereotypically Jewish bankers, who can't understand why it's antisemitic.

JWisemann

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Slackbladder said:

kle4 said:

Slackbladder said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I find it quite bizarre how all bright young things that are most vocal supports of jezza are also extremely vocal in regards to any perceived anti-LGBT or anti-muslim comments such that the likes of Germaine Greer and Peter tachell are bigots that must be no-platformed, but their hero's blind spot to anti-jewish stuff doesn't detract from their hero worship.

The simple answer is they are pro-Palestine, and therefore via Israel, and then, combined with the old NWO/ Jewish Conspiracy its a short skip and a jump to full blown anti-Semitism.

I think it is a pretty big skip in fairness. I'm sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians, there's no quick steps to go over into anti-semitism.

I think most people are sympathetic to the Palestinians, I am too, but the whole Middle East thing poisons so much.

My wife and I visited Israel at the time of the peace accord with Yasser Arafat and our Jewish guide (ex Auschwitz) drove us through the two road checks before arriving at the walls of Jerico where a Palestinian guard stood on duty

The coach was full of many nationalities and when our Jewish guide embraced the Palestian guard everyone applauded and there were hugs all round and many a tear. I will never forget that moment

I am absolutely neutral though I do not accept the Jewish settlements

Anti-semitic I’m afraid Big G - not accepting Israel’s right to exist within its own self-declared borders.

alex.

JWisemann said:

Benpointer said:

JWisemann said:

SouthamObserver said:

oxfordsimon said:

JWisemann said:

Streeting will be deselected, along with a handful of other hard-right nutcases that really shouldn't be in the party. Then life will go on.

Do you really believe Streeting is hard-right? Really? Really??

*shakes head*

If you do not worship Jeremy and overlook his anti-Semitic blind spot, you are, by definition, a hard-right, neo-liberal, pro-austerity, red Tory. Obviously.

No, just being tumescently pro-war, obsessively publically supportive of a racist, far-right extremist foreign power, relentlessly pro-privatisation and a perpetual darling of the hard-right media will do it. And not having any ostensibly left-wing beliefs ever knowingly displayed. A simple ‘if the cap fits’ kind of assessment, really. But no, of course he is disliked by Labour members because he is apparently Jewish, though it seems noone actually knew this anyway.

You are the one with the obsession and problem, Joff. Very odd.

Which "racist, far-right extremist foreign power" are you referring to?

Obviously Israel, one of Streeting’s unfathomable obsessions and a very unsavoury one.

Israel is a far right extremist foreign power...? Surely to maintain the pretence you at least need to refer to the current Israeli government?

Andrew

Roger said:

WOW! 14 years ago...

SeanT's wife must have been 3

*badumtssssh*


I remember being here for the 2004 US election, at least on election night. Some politics blog must have sent me here for updates.
(was going to say twitter, but of course there was a time when twitter didn't exist, strange as it may seem).

SouthamObserver

JWisemann said:

SouthamObserver said:

oxfordsimon said:

JWisemann said:

Streeting will be deselected, along with a handful of other hard-right nutcases that really shouldn't be in the party. Then life will go on.

Do you really believe Streeting is hard-right? Really? Really??

*shakes head*

If you do not worship Jeremy and overlook his anti-Semitic blind spot, you are, by definition, a hard-right, neo-liberal, pro-austerity, red Tory. Obviously.

No, just being tumescently pro-war, obsessively publically supportive of a racist, far-right extremist foreign power, relentlessly pro-privatisation and a perpetual darling of the hard-right media will do it. And not having any ostensibly left-wing beliefs ever knowingly displayed. A simple ‘if the cap fits’ kind of assessment, really. But no, of course he is disliked by Labour members because he is apparently Jewish, though it seems noone actually knew this anyway.

You are the one with the obsession and problem, Joff. Very odd.

Yeah, right :-D

He is disliked by Labour members who dislike Jeremy’s tolerance of anti-Semites and friendships with Jewbaiters being pointed out and condemned - and who, of course, have absolutely no idea at all whatsoever that he is Jewish. And anyway what is anti-Semitic about a painting portraying men with thick lips and big noses counting money?

Big_G_NorthWales

JWisemann said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Slackbladder said:

kle4 said:

Slackbladder said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I find it quite bizarre how all bright young things that are most vocal supports of jezza are also extremely vocal in regards to any perceived anti-LGBT or anti-muslim comments such that the likes of Germaine Greer and Peter tachell are bigots that must be no-platformed, but their hero's blind spot to anti-jewish stuff doesn't detract from their hero worship.

The simple answer is they are pro-Palestine, and therefore via Israel, and then, combined with the old NWO/ Jewish Conspiracy its a short skip and a jump to full blown anti-Semitism.

I think it is a pretty big skip in fairness. I'm sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians, there's no quick steps to go over into anti-semitism.

I think most people are sympathetic to the Palestinians, I am too, but the whole Middle East thing poisons so much.

My wife and I visited Israel at the time of the peace accord with Yasser Arafat and our Jewish guide (ex Auschwitz) drove us through the two road checks before arriving at the walls of Jerico where a Palestinian guard stood on duty

The coach was full of many nationalities and when our Jewish guide embraced the Palestian guard everyone applauded and there were hugs all round and many a tear. I will never forget that moment

I am absolutely neutral though I do not accept the Jewish settlements

Anti-semitic I’m afraid Big G - not accepting Israel’s right to exist within its own self-declared borders.

Just get over yourself - cant you see the wonderful act of a Jew and Arab embracing on the walls of Jerico.

You are very sad

Sean_F

JWisemann said:

Or maybe they arent as thick as two short planks and realise that being critical of Israel’s racist far-right government and its appalling history of ongoing human rights abuses is a bit different to ‘hating jews’. The bizarre handful of so-called Labour MPs who seem borderline sexually excited by bombing other countries and flying the flag for Israel (these two ignominious groups seem to overlap 1 to 1 for some reason) don’t sway any sensible thought in the slightest.

FrancisUrquhart said:

I find it quite bizarre how all bright young things that are most vocal supports of jezza are also extremely vocal in regards to any perceived anti-LGBT or anti-muslim comments such that the likes of Germaine Greer and Peter tachell are bigots that must be no-platformed, but their hero's blind spot to anti-jewish stuff doesn't detract from their hero worship.

You illustrate Labour's Jewish Problem.

ydoethur

alex. said:

JWisemann said:

Benpointer said:

JWisemann said:

SouthamObserver said:

oxfordsimon said:

JWisemann said:

Streeting will be deselected, along with a handful of other hard-right nutcases that really shouldn't be in the party. Then life will go on.

Do you really believe Streeting is hard-right? Really? Really??

*shakes head*

If you do not worship Jeremy and overlook his anti-Semitic blind spot, you are, by definition, a hard-right, neo-liberal, pro-austerity, red Tory. Obviously.

No, just being tumescently pro-war, obsessively publically supportive of a racist, far-right extremist foreign power, relentlessly pro-privatisation and a perpetual darling of the hard-right media will do it. And not having any ostensibly left-wing beliefs ever knowingly displayed. A simple ‘if the cap fits’ kind of assessment, really. But no, of course he is disliked by Labour members because he is apparently Jewish, though it seems noone actually knew this anyway.

You are the one with the obsession and problem, Joff. Very odd.

Which "racist, far-right extremist foreign power" are you referring to?

Obviously Israel, one of Streeting’s unfathomable obsessions and a very unsavoury one.

Israel is a far right extremist foreign power...? Surely to maintain the pretence you at least need to refer to the current Israeli government?

Seems strange to remember now that down to the 1980s Israel as an avowedly Socialist state (epitomised by the kibbutzim movement) was the darling of many on the left. Look at it now!

Good night everybody.

JWisemann

alex. said:

JWisemann said:

Benpointer said:

JWisemann said:

SouthamObserver said:

oxfordsimon said:

JWisemann said:

Streeting will be deselected, along with a handful of other hard-right nutcases that really shouldn't be in the party. Then life will go on.

Do you really believe Streeting is hard-right? Really? Really??

*shakes head*

If you do not worship Jeremy and overlook his anti-Semitic blind spot, you are, by definition, a hard-right, neo-liberal, pro-austerity, red Tory. Obviously.

No, just being tumescently pro-war, obsessively publically supportive of a racist, far-right extremist foreign power, relentlessly pro-privatisation and a perpetual darling of the hard-right media will do it. And not having any ostensibly left-wing beliefs ever knowingly displayed. A simple ‘if the cap fits’ kind of assessment, really. But no, of course he is disliked by Labour members because he is apparently Jewish, though it seems noone actually knew this anyway.

You are the one with the obsession and problem, Joff. Very odd.

Which "racist, far-right extremist foreign power" are you referring to?

Obviously Israel, one of Streeting’s unfathomable obsessions and a very unsavoury one.

Israel is a far right extremist foreign power...? Surely to maintain the pretence you at least need to refer to the current Israeli government?

Its current government is particularly appalling but I cant remember an Israeli government that wasnt based firmly around violent racial supremacy and colonisation?

Anyway, would you not say, for example ‘North Korea is an unstable, totalitarian foreign power’, when you actually mean its current government? Simple semantics.

Big_G_NorthWales

And it's good night from me as well

kle4

JWisemann said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Slackbladder said:

kle4 said:

Slackbladder said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I find it quite bizarre how all bright young things that are most vocal supports of jezza are also extremely vocal in regards to any perceived anti-LGBT or anti-muslim comments such that the likes of Germaine Greer and Peter tachell are bigots that must be no-platformed, but their hero's blind spot to anti-jewish stuff doesn't detract from their hero worship.

The simple answer is they are pro-Palestine, and therefore via Israel, and then, combined with the old NWO/ Jewish Conspiracy its a short skip and a jump to full blown anti-Semitism.

I think it is a pretty big skip in fairness. I'm sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians, there's no quick steps to go over into anti-semitism.

I think most people are sympathetic to the Palestinians, I am too, but the whole Middle East thing poisons so much.

My wife and I visited Israel at the time of the peace accord with Yasser Arafat and our Jewish guide (ex Auschwitz) drove us through the two road checks before arriving at the walls of Jerico where a Palestinian guard stood on duty

The coach was full of many nationalities and when our Jewish guide embraced the Palestian guard everyone applauded and there were hugs all round and many a tear. I will never forget that moment

I am absolutely neutral though I do not accept the Jewish settlements

Anti-semitic I’m afraid Big G - not accepting Israel’s right to exist within its own self-declared borders.

It is an old old ploy to pretend that one cannot criticise Israel without being declared an anti-semite as though that is the common reaction, thereby ignoring the genuinely anti-semitic stuff since it allegedly all gets called that. There will be people, fools, who will declare any critique anti-semitic, but most people are quite able to criticise Israeli policy if they want without falling afoul of anti-semitic tropes.

Big_G_NorthWales

kle4 said:

JWisemann said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Slackbladder said:

kle4 said:

Slackbladder said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I find it quite bizarre how all bright young things that are most vocal supports of jezza are also extremely vocal in regards to any perceived anti-LGBT or anti-muslim comments such that the likes of Germaine Greer and Peter tachell are bigots that must be no-platformed, but their hero's blind spot to anti-jewish stuff doesn't detract from their hero worship.

The simple answer is they are pro-Palestine, and therefore via Israel, and then, combined with the old NWO/ Jewish Conspiracy its a short skip and a jump to full blown anti-Semitism.

I think it is a pretty big skip in fairness. I'm sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians, there's no quick steps to go over into anti-semitism.

I think most people are sympathetic to the Palestinians, I am too, but the whole Middle East thing poisons so much.

My wife and I visited Israel at the time of the peace accord with Yasser Arafat and our Jewish guide (ex Auschwitz) drove us through the two road checks before arriving at the walls of Jerico where a Palestinian guard stood on duty

The coach was full of many nationalities and when our Jewish guide embraced the Palestian guard everyone applauded and there were hugs all round and many a tear. I will never forget that moment

I am absolutely neutral though I do not accept the Jewish settlements

Anti-semitic I’m afraid Big G - not accepting Israel’s right to exist within its own self-declared borders.

It is an old old ploy to pretend that one cannot criticise Israel without being declared an anti-semite as though that is the common reaction, thereby ignoring the genuinely anti-semitic stuff since it allegedly all gets called that. There will be people, fools, who will declare any critique anti-semitic, but most people are quite able to criticise Israeli policy if they want without falling afoul of anti-semitic tropes.

+1

AndyJS

MikeSmithson said:

Just noticed - PB was stated fourteen years ago today

Congratulations on 14 successful years.

Sunil_Prasannan

Happy 14th Birthday to PB!

Mortimer

AndyJS said:

MikeSmithson said:

Just noticed - PB was stated fourteen years ago today

Congratulations on 14 successful years.

+1.

Thanks as ever Mike!

Sean_F

ydoethur said:

alex. said:

JWisemann said:

Benpointer said:

JWisemann said:

SouthamObserver said:

oxfordsimon said:

JWisemann said:

Streeting will be deselected, along with a handful of other hard-right nutcases that really shouldn't be in the party. Then life will go on.

Do you really believe Streeting is hard-right? Really? Really??

*shakes head*

If you do not worship Jeremy and overlook his anti-Semitic blind spot, you are, by definition, a hard-right, neo-liberal, pro-austerity, red Tory. Obviously.

No, just being tumescently pro-war, obsessively publically supportive of a racist, far-right extremist foreign power, relentlessly pro-privatisation and a perpetual darling of the hard-right media will do it. And not having any ostensibly left-wing beliefs ever knowingly displayed. A simple ‘if the cap fits’ kind of assessment, really. But no, of course he is disliked by Labour members because he is apparently Jewish, though it seems noone actually knew this anyway.

You are the one with the obsession and problem, Joff. Very odd.

Which "racist, far-right extremist foreign power" are you referring to?

Obviously Israel, one of Streeting’s unfathomable obsessions and a very unsavoury one.

Israel is a far right extremist foreign power...? Surely to maintain the pretence you at least need to refer to the current Israeli government?

Seems strange to remember now that down to the 1980s Israel as an avowedly Socialist state (epitomised by the kibbutzim movement) was the darling of many on the left. Look at it now!

Good night everybody.

Labour in the 1940's and 1950's was pro-Israel. And right up to the 1970's, 60-70% of British Jews voted Labour. These days 10-15% do. This is a community that thinks that the modern Labour Party hates them. They may be wrong to think that, but people like J Wiseman would not reassure them.

JWisemann

Big_G_NorthWales said:

JWisemann said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Slackbladder said:

kle4 said:

Slackbladder said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I find it quite bizarre how all bright young things that are most vocal supports of jezza are also extremely vocal in regards to any perceived anti-LGBT or anti-muslim comments such that the likes of Germaine Greer and Peter tachell are bigots that must be no-platformed, but their hero's blind spot to anti-jewish stuff doesn't detract from their hero worship.

The simple answer is they are pro-Palestine, and therefore via Israel, and then, combined with the old NWO/ Jewish Conspiracy its a short skip and a jump to full blown anti-Semitism.

I think it is a pretty big skip in fairness. I'm sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians, there's no quick steps to go over into anti-semitism.

I think most people are sympathetic to the Palestinians, I am too, but the whole Middle East thing poisons so much.

The coach was full of many nationalities and when our Jewish guide embraced the Palestian guard everyone applauded and there were hugs all round and many a tear. I will never forget that moment

I am absolutely neutral though I do not accept the Jewish settlements

Anti-semitic I’m afraid Big G - not accepting Israel’s right to exist within its own self-declared borders.

Just get over yourself - cant you see the wonderful act of a Jew and Arab embracing on the walls of Jerico.

You are very sad

Calm down mate, sounds lovely.

My main point is that Israel (at least in its current incarnation as a regionally destabilising racist terror state) is viewed negatively by a majority of the country at large, yet defended rabidly by a majority of the westminster political and media establishment (including a hugely disproportionate number of Blairite Labour MPs.)

These are the same one as those who always walk in lockstep with any call for bombing other countries. Israel is a vital rottweiller for the interest of US and UK elites in the middle east and therefore those parts of the Labour Party that are bought and sold toadies of the transatlantic security establishment invariably take up rhetorical arms for Israel whenever needed, too.
Obviously lobby money flows freely and fulsomely in the other direction too, as shown in that al-Jazeera doc.

A leader of the opposition whose sympathies lie with the Palestinians is not in the interest of the UK security apparatus, their toadies in the Labour party, or their close allies in the Israeli government.
That’s what this is about.

JWisemann

Sean_F said:

ydoethur said:

alex. said:

JWisemann said:

Benpointer said:

JWisemann said:

SouthamObserver said:

oxfordsimon said:

JWisemann said:

Streeting will be deselected, along with a handful of other hard-right nutcases that really shouldn't be in the party. Then life will go on.

Do you really believe Streeting is hard-right? Really? Really??

*shakes head*

If you do not worship Jeremy and overlook his anti-Semitic blind spot, you are, by definition, a hard-right, neo-liberal, pro-austerity, red Tory. Obviously.

No, just being tumescently pro-war, obsessively publically supportive of a racist, far-right extremist foreign power, relentlessly pro-privatisation and a perpetual darling of the hard-right media will do it. And not having any ostensibly left-wing beliefs ever knowingly displayed. A simple ‘if the cap fits’ kind of assessment, really. But no, of course he is disliked by Labour members because he is apparently Jewish, though it seems noone actually knew this anyway.

You are the one with the obsession and problem, Joff. Very odd.

Which "racist, far-right extremist foreign power" are you referring to?

Obviously Israel, one of Streeting’s unfathomable obsessions and a very unsavoury one.

Israel is a far right extremist foreign power...? Surely to maintain the pretence you at least need to refer to the current Israeli government?

Seems strange to remember now that down to the 1980s Israel as an avowedly Socialist state (epitomised by the kibbutzim movement) was the darling of many on the left. Look at it now!

Good night everybody.

Labour in the 1940's and 1950's was pro-Israel. And right up to the 1970's, 60-70% of British Jews voted Labour. These days 10-15% do. This is a community that thinks that the modern Labour Party hates them. They may be wrong to think that, but people like J Wiseman would not reassure them.

The UK Jewish population have trended Tory for a long time, as you pooint out. Nothing to do with Corbyn.

SouthamObserver

Sean_F said:

ydoethur said:

alex. said:

JWisemann said:

Benpointer said:

JWisemann said:

SouthamObserver said:

oxfordsimon said:

JWisemann said:

Streeting will be deselected, along with a handful of other hard-right nutcases that really shouldn't be in the party. Then life will go on.

Do you really believe Streeting is hard-right? Really? Really??

*shakes head*

If you do not worship Jeremy and overlook his anti-Semitic blind spot, you are, by definition, a hard-right, neo-liberal, pro-austerity, red Tory. Obviously.

No, just being tumescently pro-war, obsessively publically supportive of a racist, far-right extremist foreign power, relentlessly pro-privatisation and a perpetual darling of the hard-right media will do it. And not having any ostensibly left-wing beliefs ever knowingly displayed. A simple ‘if the cap fits’ kind of assessment, really. But no, of course he is disliked by Labour members because he is apparently Jewish, though it seems noone actually knew this anyway.

You are the one with the obsession and problem, Joff. Very odd.

Which "racist, far-right extremist foreign power" are you referring to?

Obviously Israel, one of Streeting’s unfathomable obsessions and a very unsavoury one.

Israel is a far right extremist foreign power...? Surely to maintain the pretence you at least need to refer to the current Israeli government?

Seems strange to remember now that down to the 1980s Israel as an avowedly Socialist state (epitomised by the kibbutzim movement) was the darling of many on the left. Look at it now!

Good night everybody.

Labour in the 1940's and 1950's was pro-Israel. And right up to the 1970's, 60-70% of British Jews voted Labour. These days 10-15% do. This is a community that thinks that the modern Labour Party hates them. They may be wrong to think that, but people like J Wiseman would not reassure them.

The people who run the Labour party do not believe that anti-Semitism is racism. They believe that Jews are rich and powerful - oppressors rather than the oppressed. The Jews should be grateful to the left, so the thinking goes, for standing up for them in the 1930s; they should know their place.

Elliot

Amazing that Corbynistas have such a problem with far right, extremist foreign powers, given how willing they are to push Kremlin talking points after the first ever chemical attack on British soil.

JWisemann

SouthamObserver said:

Sean_F said:

ydoethur said:

alex. said:

JWisemann said:

Benpointer said:

JWisemann said:

SouthamObserver said:

oxfordsimon said:

JWisemann said:

Streeting will be deselected, along with a handful of other hard-right nutcases that really shouldn't be in the party. Then life will go on.

Do you really believe Streeting is hard-right? Really? Really??

*shakes head*

If you do not worship Jeremy and overlook his anti-Semitic blind spot, you are, by definition, a hard-right, neo-liberal, pro-austerity, red Tory. Obviously.

No, just being tumescently pro-war, obsessively publically supportive of a racist, far-right extremist foreign power, relentlessly pro-privatisation and a perpetual darling of the hard-right media will do it. And not having any ostensibly left-wing beliefs ever knowingly displayed. A simple ‘if the cap fits’ kind of assessment, really. But no, of course he is disliked by Labour members because he is apparently Jewish, though it seems noone actually knew this anyway.

You are the one with the obsession and problem, Joff. Very odd.

Which "racist, far-right extremist foreign power" are you referring to?

Obviously Israel, one of Streeting’s unfathomable obsessions and a very unsavoury one.

Israel is a far right extremist foreign power...? Surely to maintain the pretence you at least need to refer to the current Israeli government?

Seems strange to remember now that down to the 1980s Israel as an avowedly Socialist state (epitomised by the kibbutzim movement) was the darling of many on the left. Look at it now!

Good night everybody.

Labour in the 1940's and 1950's was pro-Israel. And right up to the 1970's, 60-70% of British Jews voted Labour. These days 10-15% do. This is a community that thinks that the modern Labour Party hates them. They may be wrong to think that, but people like J Wiseman would not reassure them.

The people who run the Labour party do not believe that anti-Semitism is racism. They believe that Jews are rich and powerful - oppressors rather than the oppressed. The Jews should be grateful to the left, so the thinking goes, for standing up for them in the 1930s; they should know their place.

Christ you are a buffoon. Where do you dredge this cack up from? Are you actually Nick Cohen?

Elliot

JWisemann said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

JWisemann said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Slackbladder said:

kle4 said:

Slackbladder said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I find it quite bizarre how all bright young things that are most vocal supports of jezza are also extremely vocal in regards to any perceived anti-LGBT or anti-muslim comments such that the likes of Germaine Greer and Peter tachell are bigots that must be no-platformed, but their hero's blind spot to anti-jewish stuff doesn't detract from their hero worship.

The simple answer is they are pro-Palestine, and therefore via Israel, and then, combined with the old NWO/ Jewish Conspiracy its a short skip and a jump to full blown anti-Semitism.

I think it is a pretty big skip in fairness. I'm sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians, there's no quick steps to go over into anti-semitism.

I think most people are sympathetic to the Palestinians, I am too, but the whole Middle East thing poisons so much.

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Calm down mate, sounds lovely.

My main point is that Israel (at least in its current incarnation as a regionally destabilising racist terror state) is viewed negatively by a majority of the country at large, yet defended rabidly by a majority of the westminster political and media establishment (including a hugely disproportionate number of Blairite Labour MPs.)

These are the same one as those who always walk in lockstep with any call for bombing other countries. Israel is a vital rottweiller for the interest of US and UK elites in the middle east and therefore those parts of the Labour Party that are bought and sold toadies of the transatlantic security establishment invariably take up rhetorical arms for Israel whenever needed, too.
Obviously lobby money flows freely and fulsomely in the other direction too, as shown in that al-Jazeera doc.

A leader of the opposition whose sympathies lie with the Palestinians is not in the interest of the UK security apparatus, their toadies in the Labour party, or their close allies in the Israeli government.
That’s what this is about.

Except his sympathies are not just with the Palestinians, but with terrorist groups like Hamas who use children to blow up civilians and openly.call for genocide in their charter.