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  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    dr_spyn said:

    A tweet from Ben Bradley MP has vanished into the ether.

    “Corbyn sold British secrets to communist spies”. has gone

    Last week Tory MP Ben Bradley, who said people on benefits should have vasectomies, begs for his ‘mistakes’ to be forgotten.

    Few days later he tweets his now deleted Corbyn one.

    His other classics include 'unemployed wasters' should get vasectomies faces also saying he wanted cops to play 'splat the chav' with water canon if there were riots.

    Makes JO'M look mature
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,645
    On university fees - this is one of the very few areas where I do go a bit technologist.
    It may all academic (haha) if MOOCs sort out their various issues and employers trust their qualifications.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,034
    MP Silja Dögg Gunnarsdóttir of the Progressive Party, who introduced the bill at the start of the month, said: "We are talking about children's rights, not about freedom of belief.

    "Everyone has the right to believe in what they want, but the rights of children come above the right to believe."
  • Have said from day one the timing of COB-gate is rather weird.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    stevef said:

    The best manifesto since World War Two? Does that include 1945?

    And it contained very few Corbynite proposals. It states that Trident will be renewed for example. No mention of lifting the Tory ceiling on welfare. It also says that 95% of voters will pay no higher income tax or NI. Those things that were promised cannot be paid for.

    I agree with renewal of a Nuclear Deterrent.

    I have just listed how £48Bn of promises will be paid for.

    Did you not like the Manifesto
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    Yes, I think that is right.

    Point made, and you look graceful in victory.
    Well they do advice to not look directory at the sun.
  • I agree with renewal of a Nuclear Deterrent.

    I have just listed how £48Bn of promises will be paid for.

    Did you not like the Manifesto

    Only if those tax rises actually raise that tax revenue. Except that it won't, when you raise taxes it causes consequential effects which is why right now we have record corporation tax receipts while having low corporation tax rates.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,321
    edited February 2018
    John_M said:

    I got my degree via the OU when I was 42, so I have a foot in both camps :).

    One of the things that always irks me is the lazy 'boomers got free university education' meme. They didn't. Us non-graduates subsidised them via the tax system. This was not too iniquitous as relatively few people went to university (most didn't need to, as social mobility was still a thing - I prospered with mere A-levels).

    Expanding the HE system was daft - graduates used to be valued for their rarity. Now they're as cheap as chips.
    We also had higher basic rate income tax. The starting rate was 35% in the Seventies, and only went below 30% in 87.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    Yorkcity said:

    Well they do advice to not look directory at the sun.
    Directly
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Yeah, but it would be the IRA veterans... ;)
    Home run
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038

    MP Silja Dögg Gunnarsdóttir of the Progressive Party, who introduced the bill at the start of the month, said: "We are talking about children's rights, not about freedom of belief.

    "Everyone has the right to believe in what they want, but the rights of children come above the right to believe."
    What a good idea. Ban MGM. Until they're 18, anyway. Then they can make their own mind up. Also should the NHS provide the treatment? I don't think so. If you want to mutilate yourself for no clinical reason, then please pay for it yourself.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651

    I agree with renewal of a Nuclear Deterrent.

    I have just listed how £48Bn of promises will be paid for.

    Did you not like the Manifesto
    The manifesto assumes that companies will stay here to pay the extra corporation and other taxes. I don't think such an assumption can be made. If staying in the UK means no or inhibited access to the Single Market, extra tariffs and extra tax, well some of them might well decide that decamping across the Channel makes more sense. The same may well apply to individuals. People and companies will change their behaviour in anticipation of and in response to tax changes. Any tax policy needs to understand this dynamic effect, as well as the other consequences of transferring so much purchasing power from people and entities to the state.

    It may work of course. But if it doesn't then the consequences for all of us could be very damaging. Previous examples in the UK of high taxation have not been very good and the big unknown is what sort of economy a post-Brexit Britain will have and what such policies will mean for it. On which point there is tumbleweed from Labour......
  • Who knows? I expect she will do whatever is necessary to stay in power.
    It is not like it used to be - almost impossible to just call a GE
  • stevefstevef Posts: 1,044


    I wonder how Corbyn and the Tooting Popular Front would react if the Tories abolished tuition fees before the next election. Like all political extremists of right and left before them, Corbyn and gang understand that youth movements are essential to the politics of the hard left with its mindless slogans and songs to the Leader.

    Corbyn and McDonnell are going to be in real trouble at the next election when they have to put their sums once more before the British people. They simply cannot explain how they will pay for pre Thatcherite spending on post Thatcherite tax. Taxing the rich is good but would not raise enough money. Just because you are on the left politically doesnt mean you have to be economically illiterate.

    I notice the 2017 manifesto made no mention of lifting the Tory cap on welfare, no promise to abolish Trident.

    No wonder the extremists of Momentum flood the internet to close down close scrutiny of
    Jeremy Corbyn and abuse those who criticise him.
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Not her decision though, is it? There is every sign that Nick Timothy is regaining his political mojo.
    Oh Dear! His record is not particularly good at these sort of things, still if it takes minds off thinking about the mess the Tories are making of nearly everything, it might be a passable idea. But there are still many within the cabinet who dislike and distrust him.
  • OchEye said:

    Oh Dear! His record is not particularly good at these sort of things, still if it takes minds off thinking about the mess the Tories are making of nearly everything, it might be a passable idea. But there are still many within the cabinet who dislike and distrust him.
    Are you guys on the sauce? There will not be an early GE.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,321

    What a good idea. Ban MGM. Until they're 18, anyway. Then they can make their own mind up. Also should the NHS provide the treatment? I don't think so. If you want to mutilate yourself for no clinical reason, then please pay for it yourself.
    Male circumcision on the NHS is just for clinical reasons at present.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651

    I agree! Well done Iceland for putting supporters of child mutilation on notice. Once the child is an adult, they can have it done if it is important to them.
    Why shouldn't the habit of piercing the ears of small female children also be included? As well as being vulgar, there is no reason - religious or otherwise - for it to be done. As you say, once the child is an adult they can have it done if it is important to them.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307
    Thin skinned or thicker than two short ones?

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/965679700101222405
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651

    MP Silja Dögg Gunnarsdóttir of the Progressive Party, who introduced the bill at the start of the month, said: "We are talking about children's rights, not about freedom of belief.

    "Everyone has the right to believe in what they want, but the rights of children come above the right to believe."

    Presumably children won't be forced by their parents to wear the skull cap or a hijab then, their rights being above the right to believe.......
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    MaxPB said:

    Maybe it's time to make the generation who need all the healthcare and social care services pay for it? Just a suggestion. At the moment we have a generation of above average earners aged between 24 and 40 unable to buy their own homes, paying rent to parasite landlords who are usually 55+ and now the parasite generation is looking to raise tax on the working population to pay for their old age care and healthcare. At some point the working classes will decide they've had enough of being a punching bag for their parents generation.
    That same generation that, when their earnings potential started to peak in the 1980s, had their income taxes slashed after their parents had shoulder high tax rates to fund their free higher education and lavish social security payments.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,844
    Cyclefree said:

    Why shouldn't the habit of piercing the ears of small female children also be included? As well as being vulgar, there is no reason - religious or otherwise - for it to be done. As you say, once the child is an adult they can have it done if it is important to them.
    +1
  • dr_spyn said:

    Thin skinned or thicker than two short ones?

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/965679700101222405

    Surely CCHQ should back their man and call every possible witness in the trial.

    Sure, the libel action could cost £500,000, but it would be a barrage of press*

    *OK so that didn't work well last time. a Half million pound gamble...
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Foxy said:

    Male circumcision on the NHS is just for clinical reasons at present.
    Clinical reasons are very different from "... slice my son up to please some imaginary supernatural being"
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    Directly
    Yes apologies, changed the word, without me noticing.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,580

    “REMOVED”. has gone

    Last week Tory MP Ben Bradley, who said people on benefits should have vasectomies, begs for his ‘mistakes’ to be forgotten.

    Few days later he tweets his now deleted Corbyn one.

    His other classics include 'unemployed wasters' should get vasectomies faces also saying he wanted cops to play 'splat the chav' with water canon if there were riots.

    Makes JO'M look mature
    BJO

    Has it occurred to you that you have just effectively republished a tweet identified as libellous by its target?

    I know that you weren't aiming it at him but for Mike's sake please be careful.
  • NEW THREAD

  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307
    @seanT is up for a fight on twitter.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    edited February 2018
    Cyclefree said:


    Presumably children won't be forced by their parents to wear the skull cap or a hijab then, their rights being above the right to believe.......
    Why should any child be forced to follow their parent's beliefs? Also, piercing kids ears is something that the child should have done when they are ready.

    It is their body, not the parents. The parents have no right to inflict bodily damage on their kids. In any other setting, inflicting such harm would be viewed as a serious assault.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,321

    Clinical reasons are very different from "... slice my son up to please some imaginary supernatural being"
    Of course.
  • Cyclefree said:


    Presumably children won't be forced by their parents to wear the skull cap or a hijab then, their rights being above the right to believe.......
    I hope so.

    Though the difference is that a skull cap can be removed, genital mutilation reversal is a bit harder to reverse.
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469

    Are you guys on the sauce? There will not be an early GE.

    That's what everyone was saying this time last year, wonder what happened on that hillside in Wales...
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