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  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Best of luck with the interviews, Sunil. You deserve a change of luck.

    Nice to see you on here again mr fletcher ;-)
  • Once again, thanks for all the interview best wishes!
  • isamisam Posts: 42,632
    @tim

    Following Raceclear today?
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    AveryLP said:

                                






















    The good news

    Alanbrooke knows his onions


    Monthly trade figures are highly volatile. Last month surprised
    on the upside. This month on the downside. As Mr. Brooke stated
    correctly, the trend is upward both on tha six monthly rolling
    average and year on year. On a long term basis exports have not
    recovered to pre-crisis levels but this is as mainly due to the
    15% per annum falls in oil and gas exports due to falling North
    Sea output experienced since 2010.
    Sorry Avery , I do not understand are you blaming the bad trade figures in July on itinerant French onion sellers ?
  • isamisam Posts: 42,632

    Once again, thanks for all the interview best wishes!

    Good luck Sunil
  • Not much to be honest. Maybe lurking once a week?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    edited September 2013



    Mark. I'll put up with just about any piece of name calling on PB, but calling me French crosses a line !



  • @isam

    Thanks!
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    @MarkSenior

    Sorry Avery , I do not understand are you blaming the bad trade figures in July on itinerant French onion sellers ?

    No, Mark. What I am saying is that anyone looking at a series of monthly trade figures will note a sawtooth pattern in a line graph. Indeed that is what you see when looking at the first chart in the most recent ONS 'Summary: UK trade July 2013' bulletin.

    If you read on a couple of paragraphs you will also note the warning from the ONS about placing too much emphasis on a single month's trade figures:

    Trade statistics for any one month can be erratic. For that reason, it is recommended to compare the latest quarter against the preceding quarter and the same quarter of 2012. The comparison with a year earlier should be viewed, though, with caution at the moment; figures (particularly export data) for the spring months of 2012 were unusually volatile, possibly due to the unusual pattern of public holidays in that period.

    The headline for the June bulletin was:

    The deficit of trade in goods for June 2013 was £8.1 billion, an increase of £0.6 billion on the previous month and within the range of normal month to month movements.

    The trade position reflects exports minus imports. Exports of goods reached a record high of £26.9 billion in June, an increase of £1.3 billion from May. Imports for the same period increased £0.7 billion to £35.0 billion.


    The corresponding headline for the July bulletin was:

    The deficit of trade in goods and services for July 2013 was £3.1 billion compared with a deficit of £1.3 billion in the previous month. This is the largest deficit since October 2012 (£3.5 billion).

    The deficit on trade in goods was £9.9 billion in July 2013. The trade position reflects exports minus imports. Exports of goods fell 7.6% on the month to £24.8 billion for July 2013. Imports for the same period fell 1.0% to £34.7 billion


    So we see a "record high" in June followed by a "record low" for July.

    Beginning to see the problem, Mark?

    [to be continued]
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    @MarkSenior

    [...continued]

    Probably best to just take note of the "Longer Term Perspective" [July report]:

    The value of trade in goods has grown only gently since the beginning of 2007. In that year, and into 2008, there was steady growth as the UK economy and those of our major trading partners expanded. That expansion came to a sharp end during 2008 and, as these economies turned downwards, so did the levels of trade. Growth was not resumed until summer 2009. It was steady for the two years after that, but with the continuing difficulties in many economies in moving out of recession, the value of both exports and imports has remained flat since mid-2011.

    In 2012, the deficit on trade in goods increased by £8.6 billion to £108.7 billion (annually). The level of exports increased to a record £300.5 billion in 2012, up 0.7% from £298.4 billion in 2011. However, the rise in exports was accompanied by an increase in imports to a record £409.2 billion in 2012, up 2.7% from £398.5 billion in 2011. Despite these record levels of exports and imports, annual growth has slowed considerably since 2010 and 2011 when growth was seen to accelerate as part of the global recovery from the financial crisis in 2008 and 2009.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Allegra Stratton @BBCAllegra

    #newsnight has been told that Royal Mail will be sold off at 7am tomorrow

  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Allegra Stratton @BBCAllegra

    #newsnight has been told that Royal Mail will be sold off at 7am tomorrow

    Well before the post arrives then :)
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited September 2013
    Sky News graphics are showing the Ipsos-MORI VI shares on today's poll as 37% Lab 40% Con.

    Now I realise Sky frequently have difficulty with their figures, but this is one time to forgive, forget and celebrate.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Anorak said:

    Allegra Stratton @BBCAllegra

    #newsnight has been told that Royal Mail will be sold off at 7am tomorrow

    Well before the post arrives then :)
    lol
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    Allegra Stratton @BBCAllegra

    #newsnight has been told that Royal Mail will be sold off at 7am tomorrow

    That makes it sound like an execution.

  • MBoyMBoy Posts: 104

    Libyan jihadist group asks supporters to vote for missile target on Facebook

    Targeting missiles onto Facebook and firing them would probably be a good thing.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    AveryLP said:

    Allegra Stratton @BBCAllegra

    #newsnight has been told that Royal Mail will be sold off at 7am tomorrow

    That makes it sound like an execution.

    Any last request s for the posties ?
  • AveryLP said:

    Allegra Stratton @BBCAllegra

    #newsnight has been told that Royal Mail will be sold off at 7am tomorrow

    That makes it sound like an execution.

    Not received your "Stamp" of approval, Avery?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,392
    AveryLP said:

    Sky News graphics are showing the Ipsos-MORI VI shares on today's poll as 37% Lab 40% Con.

    Now I realise Sky frequently have difficulty with their figures, but this is one time to forgive, forget and celebrate.

    Only a matter of time Avery, only a matter of time.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    TGOHF & Sunil

    I am considering a reprieve.

    But after due thought I believe it is best put to a vote in the HoC and Congress.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    How much does one get for a Royal Mail ?
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    TGOHF said:

    How much does one get for a Royal Mail ?

    £3.5 bn from memory.

  • AveryLP said:

    TGOHF said:

    How much does one get for a Royal Mail ?

    £3.5 bn from memory.

    A nice "package" then?
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Royal Mail Secures £1.4bn Debt Deal

    New borrowing facilities will be disclosed alongside details of the historic privatisation, Sky News learns.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1140451/royal-mail-secures-1-4bn-debt-deal
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited September 2013

    AveryLP said:

    TGOHF said:

    How much does one get for a Royal Mail ?

    £3.5 bn from memory.

    A nice "package" then?
    There will be a "We tried to deliver ..." card left at No 11.

    George will have to go to the Trafalgar Square sorting station tomorrow morning.

    If you are quick Sunil you may get there first and you will then be able to tell your interviewers to sod off.

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited September 2013
    DavidL said:

    AveryLP said:

    Sky News graphics are showing the Ipsos-MORI VI shares on today's poll as 37% Lab 40% Con.

    Now I realise Sky frequently have difficulty with their figures, but this is one time to forgive, forget and celebrate.

    Only a matter of time Avery, only a matter of time.
    I can see crossover, David.

    I am less confident of the blues getting 40% or over VI or GE shares.



  • Good evening, everyone.

    Good to see Mr. Fletcher on again.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,392
    AveryLP said:

    DavidL said:

    AveryLP said:

    Sky News graphics are showing the Ipsos-MORI VI shares on today's poll as 37% Lab 40% Con.

    Now I realise Sky frequently have difficulty with their figures, but this is one time to forgive, forget and celebrate.

    Only a matter of time Avery, only a matter of time.
    I can see crossover, David.

    I am less confident of the blues getting 40% or over VI or GE shares.



    Not to worry. The days of Labour getting 37% are drawing to an end too.

  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323

    Allegra Stratton @BBCAllegra

    #newsnight has been told that Royal Mail will be sold off at 7am tomorrow

    Should arrive by 3PM on Friday then.
  • My rugby playing son did a session with England forwards coach Graham Rowntree at his club tonight, filmed by Sky Sports. Not sure when it's on, but my son is the tight head with the ridiculously big thighs.
  • Mr. Observer, is he a professional?
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,221
    Completely off topic but I felt the urge to share this. I came across this quotation:

    'Yesterday is but a dream:
    Tomorrow is only a vision. But Today well-lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness;
    and every tomorrow a dream of hope.
    (Abhijnanasakuntalam of Shantukala by Kalidasa - a Sanskrit poet of the 5th century)

    I hereby claim this as a sound-bite for the Liberal Democrats.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Grandiose said:

    Allegra Stratton @BBCAllegra

    #newsnight has been told that Royal Mail will be sold off at 7am tomorrow

    Should arrive by 3PM on Friday then.
    Shame we don't still have a like button ;-)
  • Mr. Slade, cheers for sharing that.

    On the other hand "Abhijnanasakuntalam" looks bloody unpronounceable. I may attribute the quote to 'Stan' instead.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    edited September 2013

    Mr. Slade, cheers for sharing that.

    On the other hand "Abhijnanasakuntalam" looks bloody unpronounceable. I may attribute the quote to 'Stan' instead.

    Attribute to Abe/Abby

    Though there's a part of that name you can't utter in polite society.
  • Mr. Observer, is he a professional?

    That's his aim. He's not there yet though. He has the talent, but is somewhat lax in his application. And that is a huge differentiator once you get to a certain level. He's off to uni the week after next, so we'll see if he can be disciplined or if it all goes pear-shaped.

  • I can't believe I missed this, it happened in August, when I was editing the site, think of the threads I could have done

    What could the Romans have done for us?

    "Three quarters of voters reckon emperors in ancient Rome had better policies than today’s parties, a bizarre study has revealed. Two thousand Brits were shown a manifesto secretly based on what the Caesars pledged — and 43 per cent said they would vote for it. A third even mistook it for the work of a modern-day party — despite it including a vow by crazed Caligula to let horses into Parliament." - The Sun (£)

    http://conservativehome.blogs.com/frontpage/2013/08/thursday-29th-august-2013.html
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,437
    @AveryLP

    While the UK economy is showing rapid improvement, our trade balance and current account should remain a longer-term area of concern. Essentially, British exports have remained marooned around £40-42bn a month for the last 18 months, and are only up around a third up from the lows of late 2009. (See: http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/exports)

    Let us compare with my favourite - Spain. Monthly exports have been rising pretty consistently (albeit with more volatility than the UK) and are now at more than twice the lows of late 2009. And this is despite the Spaniards having to put up with being shackled to the Euro.

    The consequence is that Spain runs a current account surplus - more money is coming in to the country through exports, and tourism than is going out for imports. Just five years ago, Spain's current account deficit was 10% of GDP, a frankly unbelievable turnaround. With the UK, the trend is the opposite - our current account deficit is worsening. That is, we have to borrow from abroad to pay for our Volkswagen Polos and Sony TVs.

    Remember, you heard it hear first: Spain is leaving recession and there are going to be some incredible opportunities here.
  • Mr. Observer, best of luck to your son.

    Mr. Eagles, you should post that story on the next Nighthawks thread, as I'm off now and therefore unable to offer more detailed thoughts.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,505
    I'm wondering: do people use the phrase "sent to Coventry" in Coventry itself?
  • Polling Alert - YouGov Times

    The 5,191 respondents, three times the size of a normal YouGov poll, put Labour on 39 per cent, the Tories on 33 per cent, the Lib Dems on 8 per cent and UKIP on 12 per cent.
  • Asked “If you had to choose, which would you prefer to see after the next election, a Conservative government led by David Cameron or a Labour government led by Ed Miliband?”, 41 per cent chose the Tory option and 40 per cent Labour.

    Remarkably, Lib Dem voters seem more enthusiastic about a further coalition with the Tories than Labour— 49 per cent wanted a Tory government led by Mr Cameron while 32 per cent preferred Labour led by Mr Miliband.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,114
    Andy_JS said:

    I'm wondering: do people use the phrase "sent to Coventry" in Coventry itself?

    Not sure - I am from Coventry myself ! I know it is used for the football team - Send us to Coventry as the fixtures are played 35 miles out the city in Northampton at the moment.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,437
    @TSE, that's because all the LD voters who preferred coalition with the Labour Party now support the Labour Party,

    The question for the LDs is whether they can get them back.

    The question for the Conservatives is whether they can move right and recapture UKIP voters without scaring off the metrosexuals of Richmond Park and other leafy suburbs. This is a particular issue because losing one vote to the LDs in a Lib-Con battlefield is worse than losing one to UKIP. (As in, a vote lost to the LDs is a two vote swing.)

    The question for the Labour Party is whether they can convince the population their leader is not a gibbering idiot.

    The question for UKIP is whether they can go 'Beyond Farage'.
  • Of all those who voted Lib Dem in 2010, the majority — 51-30 per cent — would prefer a Miliband-led government.
  • I know, I know, Dave has a 17% lead over Ed on who would make Best PM
  • carlcarl Posts: 750

    Of all those who voted Lib Dem in 2010, the majority — 51-30 per cent — would prefer a Miliband-led government.

    Chuckle. Yep, that's the one. Listen to your PB boss, he knows his politics.
  • 16% agree with a hung parliament after the next general election with the Liberal Democrats holding the balance of power could be a good thing, 60% disagree
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,437

    16% agree with a hung parliament after the next general election with the Liberal Democrats holding the balance of power could be a good thing, 60% disagree

    Well, duh.

    Who, other than the 11% of professed LibDem voters, would want them in government?
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited September 2013
    BBC Breaking News ✔ @BBCBreaking

    Stock market flotation of UK's Royal Mail to be confirmed at 0700 on Thursday, BBC's Newsnight has been told - via @BBCAllegra

    Stock Market flotation of Royal Mail @ 07.00 hrs tomorrow.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,505
    What are all those big patches of yellow on this thread?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,437
    carl said:

    Flogging our Royal Mail, eh.

    What next? Selling our forests?

    Does anything matter to the Tories, beyond lining their pockets?

    By and large, private industry is more efficient than public. British Telecom, in the days when it was part of the Royal Mail and had Busby as its mascot, was a hideously inefficient organisation. It's not perfect these days, but if it doesn't offer a decent service it will lose customer to Virgin or whoever, the shareprice will fall, and the CEO will face the sack.

    And, why do you think it is in the interests of the British people for trees to be owned by the government?
  • 51 per cent who said that they would vote Lib Dem in 2015 also said they could change their mind closer to polling day,

    For Con voters it is 32%, Lab voters 34%

  • 34% said they would never vote Lib Dem

    25% said they would never vote Lab

    33% said they would never vote Conservative
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,437
    @TSE: I would note that 51% were not clear about what they would change their mind about; it could be homeopathy or their star sign or who they'd vote for on X-Factor...
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    rcs1000 said:

    @AveryLP

    While the UK economy is showing rapid improvement, our trade balance and current account should remain a longer-term area of concern. Essentially, British exports have remained marooned around £40-42bn a month for the last 18 months, and are only up around a third up from the lows of late 2009. (See: http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/exports)

    Let us compare with my favourite - Spain. Monthly exports have been rising pretty consistently (albeit with more volatility than the UK) and are now at more than twice the lows of late 2009. And this is despite the Spaniards having to put up with being shackled to the Euro.

    The consequence is that Spain runs a current account surplus - more money is coming in to the country through exports, and tourism than is going out for imports. Just five years ago, Spain's current account deficit was 10% of GDP, a frankly unbelievable turnaround. With the UK, the trend is the opposite - our current account deficit is worsening. That is, we have to borrow from abroad to pay for our Volkswagen Polos and Sony TVs.

    Remember, you heard it hear first: Spain is leaving recession and there are going to be some incredible opportunities here.

    All true, Robert.

    But Spain doesn't have an Oil and Gas industry collapsing as fast as Gordon's property boom.

    The UK's trade position is getting better (albeit too slowly) if the Oil and Gas figures are excluded.

    I have been looking too at the figures for the individual North Sea fields and everything you have said about depletion velocity stares at you in the face, The old 1970s fields show a beautiful bell curve stretched over 30 years or more. The more recent fields show linear declines which deplete within a couple of years.

    On Spain, where are the manufactures?

  • 68% said they “cannot see Ed as a Prime Minister” including 42 per cent of Labour voters.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Am I correct in understanding that while 2010 LD voters prefer Milliband, but that the remaining LD voters prefer Cameron. It would seem logical to me, but then fewer things are more peculiar than voters, such as my Pro EU, but UKIP voting father!

    Asked “If you had to choose, which would you prefer to see after the next election, a Conservative government led by David Cameron or a Labour government led by Ed Miliband?”, 41 per cent chose the Tory option and 40 per cent Labour.

    Remarkably, Lib Dem voters seem more enthusiastic about a further coalition with the Tories than Labour— 49 per cent wanted a Tory government led by Mr Cameron while 32 per cent preferred Labour led by Mr Miliband.

  • This is a fairly comprehensive poll by yougov

    Almost seven out of ten — including three in ten Lib Dems — said that Mr Clegg had “betrayed his principles to become Deputy Prime Minister”.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    I can't believe I missed this, it happened in August, when I was editing the site, think of the threads I could have done

    What could the Romans have done for us?

    "Three quarters of voters reckon emperors in ancient Rome had better policies than today’s parties, a bizarre study has revealed. Two thousand Brits were shown a manifesto secretly based on what the Caesars pledged — and 43 per cent said they would vote for it. A third even mistook it for the work of a modern-day party — despite it including a vow by crazed Caligula to let horses into Parliament." - The Sun (£)

    http://conservativehome.blogs.com/frontpage/2013/08/thursday-29th-august-2013.html

    I can see the voters point re Caligula. After all many of the MP's in todays parliament are nothing more than braying donkeys.
  • carlcarl Posts: 750
    rcs1000 said:

    carl said:

    Flogging our Royal Mail, eh.

    What next? Selling our forests?

    Does anything matter to the Tories, beyond lining their pockets?

    By and large, private industry is more efficient than public.
    No it isn't.

    Monopolies are far more inefficient in private hands. Some things have to be public goods, the "market" simply doesn't work properly.

    That's why they can't and won't privatise the army, or police, or the political system itself. Arguably.
  • 46% of voters see Ed as out of his depth, 25% see him as indecisive, and 39% see him as weak
  • Am I correct in understanding that while 2010 LD voters prefer Milliband, but that the remaining LD voters prefer Cameron. It would seem logical to me, but then fewer things are more peculiar than voters, such as my Pro EU, but UKIP voting father!


    Asked “If you had to choose, which would you prefer to see after the next election, a Conservative government led by David Cameron or a Labour government led by Ed Miliband?”, 41 per cent chose the Tory option and 40 per cent Labour.

    Remarkably, Lib Dem voters seem more enthusiastic about a further coalition with the Tories than Labour— 49 per cent wanted a Tory government led by Mr Cameron while 32 per cent preferred Labour led by Mr Miliband.

    Yes that's right
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,936
    edited September 2013
    Andy_JS said:

    What are all those big patches of yellow on this thread?

    Someone messing about with the < pre > tags.
    Patch of Yellow
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,437
    AveryLP said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @AveryLP

    While the UK economy is showing rapid improvement, our trade balance and current account should remain a longer-term area of concern. Essentially, British exports have remained marooned around £40-42bn a month for the last 18 months, and are only up around a third up from the lows of late 2009. (See: http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/exports)

    Let us compare with my favourite - Spain. Monthly exports have been rising pretty consistently (albeit with more volatility than the UK) and are now at more than twice the lows of late 2009. And this is despite the Spaniards having to put up with being shackled to the Euro.

    The consequence is that Spain runs a current account surplus - more money is coming in to the country through exports, and tourism than is going out for imports. Just five years ago, Spain's current account deficit was 10% of GDP, a frankly unbelievable turnaround. With the UK, the trend is the opposite - our current account deficit is worsening. That is, we have to borrow from abroad to pay for our Volkswagen Polos and Sony TVs.

    Remember, you heard it hear first: Spain is leaving recession and there are going to be some incredible opportunities here.

    All true, Robert.

    But Spain doesn't have an Oil and Gas industry collapsing as fast as Gordon's property boom.

    The UK's trade position is getting better (albeit too slowly) if the Oil and Gas figures are excluded.

    I have been looking too at the figures for the individual North Sea fields and everything you have said about depletion velocity stares at you in the face, The old 1970s fields show a beautiful bell curve stretched over 30 years or more. The more recent fields show linear declines which deplete within a couple of years.

    On Spain, where are the manufactures?

    A quarter of Spain's exports are cars and car parts. Nissan recently opened a big plant there, and pretty much all Polos are made in Northern Spain. A large portion of Volkswagen's engines are too. Ford and Renault are investing heavily too (see http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/28/business/spain-auto-soares)

    It's also worth noting that Zara - one of the biggest clothing makers and retailers - is part of Inditex, a Spanish company.
  • Clegg from a list of 20, the most common were “out of his depth” (41 per cent), “weak” (40 per cent), “out of touch” (27 per cent) and “indecisive” (26 per cent).
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,716
    half a millennia in public hands, will it last another half millennia in private hands?
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    rcs1000 said:

    @TSE, that's because all the LD voters who preferred coalition with the Labour Party now support the Labour Party,

    The question for the LDs is whether they can get them back.

    The question for the Conservatives is whether they can move right and recapture UKIP voters without scaring off the metrosexuals of Richmond Park and other leafy suburbs. This is a particular issue because losing one vote to the LDs in a Lib-Con battlefield is worse than losing one to UKIP. (As in, a vote lost to the LDs is a two vote swing.)

    The question for the Labour Party is whether they can convince the population their leader is not a gibbering idiot.

    The question for UKIP is whether they can go 'Beyond Farage'.

    Surely, 'Beyond the Farage'.

  • carlcarl Posts: 750
    edited September 2013
    Love to see "competition" in the postal "market".

    DHL, G4S and Virgin posties racing up the driveway of Nether Farwood Farm in Outer Sticksville to try to deliver their piece of Tesco junk mail first?
  • carlcarl Posts: 750
    RobD said:

    half a millennia in public hands, will it last another half millennia in private hands?

    No.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Andy_JS said:

    What are all those big patches of yellow on this thread?

    Nurses refusing to do fifteen hour shifts in Liverpool.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,936
    edited September 2013
    SeanT said:

    I'd just like it noted that my alma mater, my university, UCL, is now 4th in the world.

    http://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/0913/10092013-UCL-4th-in-QS-World-University-Rankings

    Eat crow, Bologna

    Damn! Imperial (my alma mater) is 5th!
    http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2013#sorting=rank+region=+country=+faculty=+stars=false+search=

    *jealous*
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,716
    edited September 2013
    snip
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited September 2013
    Royal Mail privatisation:

    - Proposed by a Labour Business Secretary following a report by Richard Hooper commissioned by a Labour government

    - Confirmed by a LibDem Business Secretary following a second report by Richard Hooper

    - Actioned by a Tory Chancellor

    That's what Tories do: get on with governing properly. What a pity the last lot couldn't even manage something which is so uncontroversial that all three parties which have been in government in living memory agree it should be done.
  • Carl

    You are making some highly defamatory comments and smears, regarding Royal Privisation, please desist, and acknowledge that you understand.
  • 16% agree with a hung parliament after the next general election with the Liberal Democrats holding the balance of power could be a good thing, 60% disagree

    So, if the next election looks like being a choice between a Labour majority and a LD/Lab coalition, Tories in Lab/Con marginals will vote Labour to avoid the latter? I don't think so, somehow.
  • Would the Royal Mail lose the "Royal" part as it won’t be 'owned' by the Queen via her government any more?
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited September 2013
    @SeanT: You missed the most amusing ones:

    Ecole Normale Superieur: 28th (beaten by Toronto and Australian!)

    and Heidelberg: 50th. How on earth did Germany manage to mess up its universities so comprehensively?
  • 16% agree with a hung parliament after the next general election with the Liberal Democrats holding the balance of power could be a good thing, 60% disagree

    So, if the next election looks like being a choice between a Labour majority and a LD/Lab coalition, Tories in Lab/Con marginals will vote Labour to avoid the latter? I don't think so, somehow.
    This Tory is thinking of voting tactically for the Lib Dems at the next General Election.

    Though I do concede, I'm probably the exception, rather than the rule
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    16% agree with a hung parliament after the next general election with the Liberal Democrats holding the balance of power could be a good thing, 60% disagree

    So, if the next election looks like being a choice between a Labour majority and a LD/Lab coalition, Tories in Lab/Con marginals will vote Labour to avoid the latter? I don't think so, somehow.
    This Tory is thinking of voting tactically for the Lib Dems at the next General Election.

    Though I do concede, I'm probably the exception, rather than the rule
    Yes, there cant be too many Tories with your taste in shoes...
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    How do these sums work if a car is built in UK of imported parts? Is it by value?
    rcs1000 said:

    AveryLP said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @AveryLP

    While the UK economy is showing rapid improvement, our trade balance and current account should remain a longer-term area of concern. Essentially, British exports have remained marooned around £40-42bn a month for the last 18 months, and are only up around a third up from the lows of late 2009. (See: http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/exports)

    Let us compare with my favourite - Spain. Monthly exports have been rising pretty consistently (albeit with more volatility than the UK) and are now at more than twice the lows of late 2009. And this is despite the Spaniards having to put up with being shackled to the Euro.

    The consequence is that Spain runs a current account surplus - more money is coming in to the country through exports, and tourism than is going out for imports. Just five years ago, Spain's current account deficit was 10% of GDP, a frankly unbelievable turnaround. With the UK, the trend is the opposite - our current account deficit is worsening. That is, we have to borrow from abroad to pay for our Volkswagen Polos and Sony TVs.

    Remember, you heard it hear first: Spain is leaving recession and there are going to be some incredible opportunities here.

    All true, Robert.

    But Spain doesn't have an Oil and Gas industry collapsing as fast as Gordon's property boom.

    The UK's trade position is getting better (albeit too slowly) if the Oil and Gas figures are excluded.

    I have been looking too at the figures for the individual North Sea fields and everything you have said about depletion velocity stares at you in the face, The old 1970s fields show a beautiful bell curve stretched over 30 years or more. The more recent fields show linear declines which deplete within a couple of years.

    On Spain, where are the manufactures?

    A quarter of Spain's exports are cars and car parts. Nissan recently opened a big plant there, and pretty much all Polos are made in Northern Spain. A large portion of Volkswagen's engines are too. Ford and Renault are investing heavily too (see http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/28/business/spain-auto-soares)

    It's also worth noting that Zara - one of the biggest clothing makers and retailers - is part of Inditex, a Spanish company.
  • Neil said:

    16% agree with a hung parliament after the next general election with the Liberal Democrats holding the balance of power could be a good thing, 60% disagree

    So, if the next election looks like being a choice between a Labour majority and a LD/Lab coalition, Tories in Lab/Con marginals will vote Labour to avoid the latter? I don't think so, somehow.
    This Tory is thinking of voting tactically for the Lib Dems at the next General Election.

    Though I do concede, I'm probably the exception, rather than the rule
    Yes, there cant be too many Tories with your taste in shoes...
    Those shoes are no more, alas.

    But you can now design your own shoes and colour via the Nike website

    http://store.nike.com/gb/en_gb/pw/nikeid-air-max-shoes/1k9ZbrkZb8d
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    edited September 2013
    I've realised, like JohnO's sojourn to Bournemouth, I'm never, ever going to live down my choice in footwear am I?
  • TSE - Footwear? Pah! What about your choice in music?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @TSE

    Those shoes were the fashion equivalent of falling asleep on your train and waking up in Bournemouth after midnight.
  • TSE - Footwear? Pah! What about your choice in music?

    It is awesome, I'm off to see SoundGarden on Friday

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    I thought so.

    There is then a risk that by trying to regain the 2010 deserters, the party will lose the pro-coalitionistas. As well as annoying these loyalists, an explicitly anti-coalition 2015 campaign will lack coherence. Interesting times!

    The current LD voters do seem more right wing than the activists.



    Am I correct in understanding that while 2010 LD voters prefer Milliband, but that the remaining LD voters prefer Cameron. It would seem logical to me, but then fewer things are more peculiar than voters, such as my Pro EU, but UKIP voting father!


    Asked “If you had to choose, which would you prefer to see after the next election, a Conservative government led by David Cameron or a Labour government led by Ed Miliband?”, 41 per cent chose the Tory option and 40 per cent Labour.

    Remarkably, Lib Dem voters seem more enthusiastic about a further coalition with the Tories than Labour— 49 per cent wanted a Tory government led by Mr Cameron while 32 per cent preferred Labour led by Mr Miliband.

    Yes that's right
  • Neil said:

    @TSE

    Those shoes were the fashion equivalent of falling asleep on your train and waking up in Bournemouth after midnight.

    Someone described them as the Fashion Equivalent of a Crystal Swing single
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,114

    Royal Mail privatisation:

    - Proposed by a Labour Business Secretary following a report by Richard Hooper commissioned by a Labour government

    - Confirmed by a LibDem Business Secretary following a second report by Richard Hooper

    - Actioned by a Tory Chancellor

    That's what Tories do: get on with governing properly. What a pity the last lot couldn't even manage something which is so uncontroversial that all three parties which have been in government in living memory agree it should be done.

    Could do with it happening around March 2015. 'Nailed on' Ed is determined to crock my betting positions on GE 2015.
  • @Pulpstar, as you like your cricket betting, stick your money on England to win the Ashes 3 nil down under at 16/1

    Aussie bowlers are dropping like flies, and they will need to play Mitchell Johnson in the Tests.

    http://www.oddschecker.com/cricket/ashes/series-correct-score
  • This Royal Privitisation is brilliant for one reason

    If it is a success, The Tories can take the credit, if it is a disaster, we can blame Vince Cable.

    Win/Win
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,789

    Polling Alert - YouGov Times

    The 5,191 respondents, three times the size of a normal YouGov poll, put Labour on 39 per cent, the Tories on 33 per cent, the Lib Dems on 8 per cent and UKIP on 12 per cent.

    Exactly the same result as usual, but quite a small margin of error there.

    Royal Mail privatisation:

    - Proposed by a Labour Business Secretary
    ... all three parties which have been in government in living memory agree it should be done.

    You're confusing Mandy with the Labour Party. There was a very clear majority in Labour against doing it. Moreover, Mandy was against privatisation too - he wanted a minority shareholding to get benefits of private investment without losing control, and we thought even that was too much. I can see the parcel service being privatised, but the universal letter service is a de facto monopoly (because nobody is going to start a rival universal service), and privatising it is as silly as privatising rail.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,505
    edited September 2013
    @MyBurningEars

    Did you see the spreadsheet I posted yesterday with the 2010 results?

    I'm interested in sorting out the discrepancies you referred to. David Boothroyd on VoteUK often quotes the official expenses returns as the most reliable source of results.

    The Press Association sometimes makes mistakes which then get repeated by all other sources. For example in 1997 they said the Labour vote in Beverley was 20,818 when it was actually 20,418. Most sources today still incorrectly quote 20,818 as the figure.
  • SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    I'd just like it noted that my alma mater, my university, UCL, is now 4th in the world.

    http://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/0913/10092013-UCL-4th-in-QS-World-University-Rankings

    Eat crow, Bologna

    Damn! Imperial (my alma mater) is 5th!
    http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2013#sorting=rank+region=+country=+faculty=+stars=false+search=

    *jealous*
    UCL is a fantastic place to be a student, btw. It's basically Sex, Drugs n Rock n Roll BUT - situated in maybe the greatest city in the world. You have the mummified and cloistered body of Utilitarian Philosopher Jeremy Bentham on the one hand, yet a global megacity 20 foot from your West End Halls of Residence on the Other.

    Even when I was a drunk, deluded, and drug-addled 19-year-old UCL Philosophy Student, I realised that I was Significantly Privileged.
    Imperial was great - South Kensington a fantastic location. I spent nearly 10 years there in the end. (BSc, PhD and first Post-doc).
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,789
    The German polls are showing something of a revival of the Left (ex-communists) who have been divided and in the doldrums for ages - in the latest poll they've overtaken the Greens again. There remains an almost precise left-right split, making a grand coalition still a strong possibility. AfD and pirates are not close to the 5% hurdle.

    http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/index.htm
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,505
    Another point is that the official result is the one written on the sheet of paper held by the returning officer at the declaration. That means if they accidentally make a mistake when announcing the result, that isn't the official result, it's still what's written, not spoken. But obviously a lot of news organisations assume what has been read out is correct.

    The most recent example of this was the Rotherham by-election. The returning officer very definitely read out the Labour figure as 9,866 but the figure on the official council website is 9,966:

    http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/info/1000/elections-results/2411/29_november_2012_constituency_by-election_result
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,032

    16% agree with a hung parliament after the next general election with the Liberal Democrats holding the balance of power could be a good thing, 60% disagree

    So there's another political failure for Nick Clegg to add to all the others.

    It makes me laugh how many people (The Spectator) were keen to say how Nick Clegg had 'transformed' British politics in 2010. Clegg's whole strategy was based on making coalition government acceptable to the British people.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,505
    Thanks MBE. I'll look into your points as soon as possible tomorrow. I was mainly using the Times Guide to the House of Commons, although I was aware of a few errors in there before I started.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,505
    I decided to take a walk through Imperial once and got lost for about 30 minutes.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,505
    As far as votes are concerned, Bercow's result shouldn't be counted as Conservative votes. But in terms of seats he had to be counted as a Conservative on election night.

    The reason is that the three deputy speakers are counted as party candidates and so you have to do the same with the Speaker to avoid an imbalance.
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