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Newton and St. Leonard’s on Exeter (Lab defence) Result: Con 512 (27% +4% on last time), Lab 1,044 (55% +5% on last time), Lib Dem 179 (9% +2% on last time), UKIP 40 (2% -3% on last time), Green 137 (7% -5% on last time) (No Independence from Europe candidate this time -3%) Labour HOLD with a majority of 532 (28%) on a swing of 0.5% from Con to Lab
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https://twitter.com/GeorgeTrefgarne/status/941079883341549570
we agree Mr Eagles - no wage growth, balance of payments, lost referendum, peasants revolting
why do we pay them ?
On days I actually have work to do I find it's best to not go into either at all...
So far, I have seen nothing from either side that looks like a subversion of democracy - just people (and in particular MPs) using their democratic rights as enshrined in UK law. Whether one considers a particular aspect of this "a loophole" or not is up to Parliament and/or the Courts to determine, as I understand it!
There is a notable exception to that, though - and that is where people are deliberately obfuscating on the one hand, through to systematic lying on the other.
This is what I consider to be the biggest threat to our democracy; and press, politicians, and twitterati are all (in my view, and to a greater or lesser extent) guilty of this - particularly on this subject.
If I had to point the finger of accusation at "traitors [to British democracy]" that is where I would be poking around.
https://twitter.com/breeallegretti/status/941313581924089857
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/taking-back-control-from-the-plebs/
"When Leavers said ‘take back control’, they meant taking back democratic control from a distant, unaccountable oligarchy. When they, elite Remainers, say ‘take back control’, they mean the political establishment taking back control from the pesky people...
The EU and its apologists are only cheering parliamentary democracy now to the extent that it might be wielded to undermine popular democracy; because they think it can be used to slow or scupper that decision made by the largest group of people in British democratic history.
This is the level of cynicism they have reached: they increasingly see parliament, not as a true tribune of the people, but as a possible counter to the people, the sensible, cool restraint on the masses’ dangerous anti-EU passions. They are setting up parliament against the public, which is a very sinister thing to do."
Couldn't put it better myself - to me, last night looks like a subversion of democracy, not a healthy expression of it.
Either you believe in Parliamentary democracy, the representatives voting their conscience in the best interests of their constituents, or you don't
This "only when I agree with them" crap is another poisonous residue of the campaign of bullshit.
"We have had enough of experts" and "MPs voting the way we don't like"
You won. This is what parliamentary Sovereignty looks like. Suck it up.
@JamesTapsfield: PM says government has won 35 out of 36 votes on the EU Withdrawal Bill. (Pro tip: This is not as good as it sounds)
However, I would say that those Tory "rebels" who represent Remain-voting constituencies, are, in fact, reflecting the views of their electorate. And many of those Tory MPs who voted with the government also represent Remain constituencies, and they should be seen as the anti-democratic element, if we are to pursue this line of argument [With the reverse in play on the Opposition benches]
The referendum, of course, merely representing a snapshot of public opinion at a moment in time, just like the 1974 one, that doesn't bind the parliament of the day (*stirs the pot vigorously*)
I do agree with you wholeheartedly about the cynicism this engenders.
@BBCNormanS: Parliament will not vote to frustrate the will of the people - @BorisJohnson
If leaving the EU is really so damaging that parliament can't in all conscience vote to do so (despite constant assurances the referendum result would be carried out), maybe parliament shouldn't have chosen to hold such a referendum, and shouldn't have designed it as they did.
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/941319722418581506
The trouble for me is what this turns into if MPs are seen to be overturning a decision that over 17 million people voted for. Yes, we have a representative democracy, but when the people are consulted via a direct vote, I believe our MPs are, de facto, turned into delegates when it comes to that decision. Advisory or not, to overrule a direct democratic decision would be a disaster for people's faith in the ballot box.
On that note, must dash.
https://twitter.com/scotgov/status/941314545007636480
Creates good space for Ruth Davidson to strengthen support for the Scons
The stamp duty is cheaper in England too for medium sized houses so a double whammy.
https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/941036751266762752
He thinks Dorries is heading for the top job?
Berwick is a wonderful Town and place to raise children. Berwick and Northumberland are England's hidden gem
https://twitter.com/BBCPhilipSim/status/941324323750600704
However, let's be clear: last night's vote was not a Trojan Horse for Remain. However parliament votes on the final deal, Britain will leave.
Did they really learn nothing from the SDLT fiasco? Apparently not.
SNP - Socialism's Next Paradise.
SLAB's (prepared?) response - raise tax even more!
Thanks for this, Mr. Hayfield.
If it really was a big deal I’d move (although I don’t know how far into negative territory would their tax rate have to go to entice me to live in New Jersey).
I doubt anyone would move because of it. However, it will probably affect decisions about new jobs:
Would a higher earner prefer a job in England if they think they will increasingly become a target in Scotland? Would someone choose a career option south of the border because that feels safer? Would someone being offered a job demand a higher salary to come to Scotland?
But then wealth creation seems to be something pretty dirty in Scotland. Our government is obsessed with what it can spend. It is apparently indifferent to the possibilities of growth. Its pretty grim.
In a Council the Lib Dems used to control years ago. Long slog back.
Back to work. Bye.
Also, how does the new Scottish tax rates alter the overall tax take? Is it expected to be more, roughly the same, or less?
Mr. Colin, cheers for that post.
https://twitter.com/jantalipinski/status/941339893728505857
On the overall tax take according to our shiny new Fiscal Commission tax take from IT is supposed to increase by £199m a year by 2022/3 :http://www.fiscalcommission.scot/media/1197/scotlands-economic-fiscal-forecasts-summary.pdf
I think that must be in real terms as the nominal increase seems somewhat higher.