I wonder what Sunil will come up with now. HYUFD, the resident Tory, now that Fitalass does not contribute much will have something to say about Survation's suitability.
As I have said, that Survation is actually pretty much in line with the other polls, it shows we are heading for a Labour minority government but not a Labour overall majority for which Corbyn needs a lead of about 10% over the Tories if he does not win any further seats from the SNP (which the most recent Scottish Westminster poll does not suggest he will).
Don't forget either that while Survation was the most accurate pollster at the general election it actually slightly underestimated the Tory lead, its final poll had a Tory lead of 1% and the general election result was a 2% Tory lead.
Has any ex-police officer actually broken the law over alleged "legal" pornography in Green House of Commons laptop ?
Seems the Police themselves are attacking the motives and they have breached their Police code. One thing that seems certain Green will not resign over this but it will depend on whether he has breached the Minsterial code on the other matter of harrasement.
Not a good look for the Police
Nor is looking at porn on a work computer , that would break any internet usage policies in any public sector organisation.
I sacked a Salesperson for having porn in a company mobile phone because it was against our company policy. He didn't even protest.
You are obviously well 'ard and extremely important, then.
Has any ex-police officer actually broken the law over alleged "legal" pornography in Green House of Commons laptop ?
Seems the Police themselves are attacking the motives and they have breached their Police code. One thing that seems certain Green will not resign over this but it will depend on whether he has breached the Minsterial code on the other matter of harrasement.
Not a good look for the Police
Nor is looking at porn on a work computer , that would break any internet usage policies in any public sector organisation.
Two things
1) he denies it and unless it is proven he should not resign over it
2) He has much more of a problem with the harrasment allegations
Big g agreed , I appreciate he denies it.That is my point in any other profession he would be suspended and the investigation would decide.
Has any ex-police officer actually broken the law over alleged "legal" pornography in Green House of Commons laptop ?
Seems the Police themselves are attacking the motives and they have breached their Police code. One thing that seems certain Green will not resign over this but it will depend on whether he has breached the Minsterial code on the other matter of harrasement.
Not a good look for the Police
Nor is looking at porn on a work computer , that would break any internet usage policies in any public sector organisation.
Yeah, but a far worse look for the police if it looks as though they are seeking to undermine a cabinet minister by releasing information that isn't supposed to be in the public domain.
One rule for ordinary Joe and another for MPs then , anyone in the public sector would be suspended pending an investigation.
I suspect any self employed person could watch porn on their work computer all day without having any repercussions (apart from obviously not getting any work done).
Has any ex-police officer actually broken the law over alleged "legal" pornography in Green House of Commons laptop ?
Seems the Police themselves are attacking the motives and they have breached their Police code. One thing that seems certain Green will not resign over this but it will depend on whether he has breached the Minsterial code on the other matter of harrasement.
Not a good look for the Police
Nor is looking at porn on a work computer , that would break any internet usage policies in any public sector organisation.
Two things
1) he denies it and unless it is proven he should not resign over it
2) He has much more of a problem with the harrasment allegations
Big g agreed , I appreciate he denies it.That is my point in any other profession he would be suspended and the investigation would decide.
"Her Majesty's Chief Inspector of Constabulary Sir Thomas Winsor said the police's special powers were inseparable from "obligations of special trust". This trust required every officer "to respect and keep confidential information which they obtain in the course of their duties, and which is irrelevant to their inquiries and discloses no criminal conduct", he said.
"If a police officer broke that trust whilst serving as a police officer, he or she would face disciplinary action and could be dismissed. "In certain circumstances, such action could also constitute a criminal offence." The obligation was enduring and "does not end" when a police officer retires, he said."
NOT Kaboom. This poll still shows a Labour minority government, the same as the other pollsters, the Labour lead is not big enough for an overall majority.
I would suppose that the question of voting Conservative or Labour didn't actually ask if the questionees were going to vote.... My feeling of Tory MP's and supporters are that they are loyal to the country, and to those who are effective in doing so, unfortunately.......
Where as the Labour Party has around 500,000 members ready and primed for a snap GE, with funds ready and this time, available to walk the streets, knock the doors, push pamphlets and fliers through letter boxes, run call centres, use social media platforms...
The Labour Party had all that in June too and still failed to win
The majority of the PLP and the administration didn't believe Corbyn could win and hoarded resources and leadership skills for the "new" leader who would replace him, this time......
Has any ex-police officer actually broken the law over alleged "legal" pornography in Green House of Commons laptop ?
Seems the Police themselves are attacking the motives and they have breached their Police code. One thing that seems certain Green will not resign over this but it will depend on whether he has breached the Minsterial code on the other matter of harrasement.
Not a good look for the Police
Nor is looking at porn on a work computer , that would break any internet usage policies in any public sector organisation.
Two things
1) he denies it and unless it is proven he should not resign over it
2) He has much more of a problem with the harrasment allegations
Big g agreed , I appreciate he denies it.That is my point in any other profession he would be suspended and the investigation would decide.
And if an ordinary employee was found to have used company IT to watch porn in company time then dismissal would almost certainly result.
The point is that there was little industrial conflict over the period March 74 to Autumn 78 - with the exception of a Firemans' strike during the 77/78 Winter.
Excuse me kind of taking this off topic but the mention of the strife of the 1970s reminded me of an amazing comment made on the Sky Arts series 'The Seventies' a few nights ago.
They said that in one year (I believe it was 1972) there were over 1,000 terrorist bombings in the US. They were talking about how common they were to the extent that they basically stopped being news. (Looking it up I see there were over 2500 terrorist bombings in 18 months in 1971/72 averaging out at 5 a day.)
I must admit I was completely unaware of this and it seems a stunning figure in the context of today's preoccupation with terrorism.
So was I unaware of it. That's an incredible figure.
Who was doing the bombing? Or was it a mixture?
I think it was a wide mixture. There were plenty of far left or radical groups like the Weather Underground and the Symbionese Liberation Army of Patty Hurst fame. Then there were the various Independence movements, most notably the Puerto Rican Separatists. There was the Jewish Defence League which bombed targets it considered anti-Semitic. There were also lots of individuals out to attack the Government or big business including environmental groups, general anti-government types and those opposed to various big businesses.
Nor were these just minor attacks. If you look at the lists there are regularly people killed, the worst being the 1975 attack at La Guardia which killed 11 and which was never solved.
And in Europe we had the Red Brigades, Baader Meinhof, ETA and, of course, the PIRA. Terrorist outrages were much more common and more serious than in recent years - several prominent German and Italian business leaders were killed by Baader Meinhof and the Red Brigades, the Prime Minister of Spain was assassinated by ETA in 1973 and the PIRA assassinated a number of prominent figures including Lord Mountbatten , Airey Neave MP and the British Ambassador to Ireland, Christopher Ewart Biggs. In the early 1960s the French President, De Gaulle, narrowly escaped a similar fate by an earlier terrorist group, the OAS. It was a much more violent age.
NOT Kaboom. This poll still shows a Labour minority government, the same as the other pollsters, the Labour lead is not big enough for an overall majority.
The point is that there was little industrial conflict over the period March 74 to Autumn 78 - with the exception of a Firemans' strike during the 77/78 Winter.
Excuse me kind of taking this off topic but the mention of the strife of the 1970s reminded me of an amazing comment made on the Sky Arts series 'The Seventies' a few nights ago.
They said that in one year (I believe it was 1972) there were over 1,000 terrorist bombings in the US. They were talking about how common they were to the extent that they basically stopped being news. (Looking it up I see there were over 2500 terrorist bombings in 18 months in 1971/72 averaging out at 5 a day.)
I must admit I was completely unaware of this and it seems a stunning figure in the context of today's preoccupation with terrorism.
So was I unaware of it. That's an incredible figure.
Who was doing the bombing? Or was it a mixture?
I think it was a wide mixture. There were plenty of far left or radical groups like the Weather Underground and the Symbionese Liberation Army of Patty Hurst fame. Then there were the various Independence movements, most notably the Puerto Rican Separatists. There was the Jewish Defence League which bombed targets it considered anti-Semitic. There were also lots of individuals out to attack the Government or big business including environmental groups, general anti-government types and those opposed to various big businesses.
Nor were these just minor attacks. If you look at the lists there are regularly people killed, the worst being the 1975 attack at La Guardia which killed 11 and which was never solved.
And in Europe we had the Red Brigades, Baader Meinhof, ETA and, of course, the PIRA. Terrorist outrages were much more common and more serious than in recent years - several prominent German and Italian business leaders were killed by Baader Meinhof and the Red Brigades, the Prime Minister of Spain was assassinated by ETA in 1973 and the PIRA assassinated a number of prominent figures including Lord Mountbatten , Airey Neave MP and the British Ambassador to Ireland, Christopher Ewart Biggs. In the early 1960s the French President, De Gaulle, narrowly escaped a similar fate by an earlier terrorist group, the OAS. It was a much more violent age.
Has any ex-police officer actually broken the law over alleged "legal" pornography in Green House of Commons laptop ?
Seems the Police themselves are attacking the motives and they have breached their Police code. One thing that seems certain Green will not resign over this but it will depend on whether he has breached the Minsterial code on the other matter of harrasement.
Not a good look for the Police
Nor is looking at porn on a work computer , that would break any internet usage policies in any public sector organisation.
Two things
1) he denies it and unless it is proven he should not resign over it
2) He has much more of a problem with the harrasment allegations
Big g agreed , I appreciate he denies it.That is my point in any other profession he would be suspended and the investigation would decide.
But it was legal. However 2 will decide his fate
I never said it was illegal , just would break any internet usage policy in all public sector organisations.
NOT Kaboom. This poll still shows a Labour minority government, the same as the other pollsters, the Labour lead is not big enough for an overall majority.
I'll take any result that sees removal vans in Downing St.
I would suppose that the question of voting Conservative or Labour didn't actually ask if the questionees were going to vote.... My feeling of Tory MP's and supporters are that they are loyal to the country, and to those who are effective in doing so, unfortunately.......
Where as the Labour Party has around 500,000 members ready and primed for a snap GE, with funds ready and this time, available to walk the streets, knock the doors, push pamphlets and fliers through letter boxes, run call centres, use social media platforms...
The Labour Party had all that in June too and still failed to win
The majority of the PLP and the administration didn't believe Corbyn could win and hoarded resources and leadership skills for the "new" leader who would replace him, this time......
Has any ex-police officer actually broken the law over alleged "legal" pornography in Green House of Commons laptop ?
Seems the Police themselves are attacking the motives and they have breached their Police code. One thing that seems certain Green will not resign over this but it will depend on whether he has breached the Minsterial code on the other matter of harrasement.
Not a good look for the Police
Nor is looking at porn on a work computer , that would break any internet usage policies in any public sector organisation.
Two things
1) he denies it and unless it is proven he should not resign over it
2) He has much more of a problem with the harrasment allegations
Big g agreed , I appreciate he denies it.That is my point in any other profession he would be suspended and the investigation would decide.
And if an ordinary employee was found to have used company IT to watch porn in company time then dismissal would almost certainly result.
He might or might not be dismissed, but certainly not on the basis of an allegation made by someone with an axe to grind that porn was found 9 years ago. Unless the Company fancied a big Employment Tribunal Claim.
I expect that either party would win a working majority on 45/37%. That said, the Tories were on 42/38 with Kantar, who performed very well in both the EU referendum and general election. I think they're both outliers.
I expect that either party would win a working majority on 45/37%. That said, the Tories were on 42/38 with Kantar, who performed very well in both the EU referendum and general election. I think they're both outliers.
NOT Kaboom. This poll still shows a Labour minority government, the same as the other pollsters, the Labour lead is not big enough for an overall majority.
I'll take any result that sees removal vans in Downing St.
That will take at least a week unless Labour wins an overall majority, as I have long said a Corbyn minority government is probably a better result longer term for the Tories than a small Tory majority next time followed by a Labour landslide the next general election after under a moderate Labour leader. For the country rather less so.
UKIP on 4%, more than double their June total, also shows the Tories need to squeeze back the Kippers.
Yes, slightly surprising after May's better week according to most of us. Perhaps there are Tories disappointed over the compromises coming with the EU? But could be just random variation.
NOT Kaboom. This poll still shows a Labour minority government, the same as the other pollsters, the Labour lead is not big enough for an overall majority.
I expect circa 20 Labour gains from the SNP next time. An 8% lead would be likely to give Labour a majority of 20 - 30 seats .
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Don't forget either that while Survation was the most accurate pollster at the general election it actually slightly underestimated the Tory lead, its final poll had a Tory lead of 1% and the general election result was a 2% Tory lead.
Lab 45
Con 37
KABOOM
"Her Majesty's Chief Inspector of Constabulary Sir Thomas Winsor said the police's special powers were inseparable from "obligations of special trust".
This trust required every officer "to respect and keep confidential information which they obtain in the course of their duties, and which is irrelevant to their inquiries and discloses no criminal conduct", he said.
"If a police officer broke that trust whilst serving as a police officer, he or she would face disciplinary action and could be dismissed.
"In certain circumstances, such action could also constitute a criminal offence."
The obligation was enduring and "does not end" when a police officer retires, he said."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42205329
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldo_Moro
Hope another week will see me able to contribute housework to my very special lady
Good night to all and be kind - two of our nieces are in bits today as their Father died.
Puts life into it's context
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Take it easy, you cannot look after anyone else if you do not look after your own health
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/dec/02/abba-pieced-back-together-southbank-centre-london-exhibition