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A not very happy finish for Damian Green's career could see Lord Hague brought back. Every female Tory PM needs a Willie. Though he's not keen. https://t.co/6AHYfOkpkt pic.twitter.com/EzndXbtCST
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Good afternoon, everyone.
(If Green does resign)
I’ve put a bit on him to go next at 3.35. It looks like TM doesn’t want a big reshuffle.
I will stay out of the next cabinet minister for the sack race. Too many candidates, plus a febrile atmosphere. I suspect that the value is on some of the longer odds ones for personal scandal, shorter odds for political differences.
Surely Phil will set out his stall this week, and the question then will be whether the secret police defenestrate him, or her.
I assume he’d do it if told TM needs him and it is in the national interest.
The police have said they don't know who downloaded it - its impossible to say - not that you'd know that from the Sun/Times reporting of it. Curiously enough they are the only two newspapers aggressively pursuing this....
This whole thing stinks to high heaven......sacked policemen seeking to bring down politicians.....
A grown man having legal porn on is computer is not a sacking offense. A disciplinary offense on a work computer, perhaps.
Meanwhile Keith Vaz just sits there laughing his head off.
2) It is reported that the porn was viewed on a near daily basis
3) This is me reading between the lines, but I suspect the porn that was legal then but illegal a few weeks later would not be the sort of porn your average person watches. I think is the sort that would shock even the most liberal minded person.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/nov/19/emma-dent-coad-grenfell-interview-shaun-bailey
Really...it is as tin foil hatted as some of the stuff on her blog. She has gotten grief because she has written and drawn a number of distasteful stuff and the media in a phase where they are digging into all members dodgy behaviour from the past, be it knee touching, computers with adult material on it or drawing Tories hangings from trees.
Bob Quick v Mark Reckless, I'd be on the side of Mark Reckless every time.
Nobody cares who is ID Secretary, MoD is important but not a household name.
But losing your chancellor and then perhaps your DPM would be a pretty disastrous turn of events I suspect.
Pornography allegedly found on Damian Green’s computer was so extreme it would have been illegal if found weeks later, it was claimed last night.
The computer was seized from the House of Commons in November, 2008, before the law on possessing extreme images was changed in January, 2009.....
....Under the Crime and Immigration Act, it was made illegal to possess images showing acts that threaten life, depict sex with animals or a corpse.
Images of this nature were outlawed after a four-year campaign by the parents of Jane Longhurst, who was murdered by Graham Coutts in 2003. Coutts had a strangulation fetish and watched violent images of simulated rapes and murders.
http://metro.co.uk/2017/11/18/porn-on-damian-greens-computer-was-so-extreme-it-would-now-be-illegal-7088958/
* I can't remember the actual phrasing, but I remember it being carefully worded.
I pointed out at the time the potential problem might be that his immediate spinning the attack onto Quick.
casewashing machine door.a) An act which threatens a person's life; this is not defined in the Act and therefore should be given its ordinary dictionary meaning. The Ministry of Justice note of " Further information on the new offence of Possession of Extreme Pornographic Images" at paragraph 11 gives examples of life threatening acts.
b) An act which results in or is likely to result in serious injury to a person's anus, breast or genitals; this could include the insertion of sharp objects (although in some circumstances this can be done in a way that is not likely to result in serious injury) or the mutilation of breasts or genitals. It is likely to be difficult to prove that cases of 'fisting' involve images that show activity that is likely to result in serious injury so these cases need to be handled with particular care. Serious injury is not defined in the Act and should be given its ordinary dictionary meaning, being a question of fact for the District Judge or jury.
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/d_to_g/extreme_pornography/#an04
Even if she loses him, and Hammond in a shuffle, I do not see the conservative party and the DUP opening the door for a GE as long as Corbyn is a possibility
Another example of a silly law like the psychoactive substances act, if you ask me.
The fact that the guy likes it rough should not be a bar to high office.
I don't think there's a man alive who would want his internet browsing history made public.
Lloyd Embley also admittedTrinity Mirror is set to reveal an “embarrassing” gender pay gap when it is forced to publish official figures, because senior positions at the newspaper group are dominated by men.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/nov/19/top-mirror-editor-warns-of-deeper-job-losses-if-express-deal-fails
It might command a few sniggers, but it sets a dangerous precedent for fishing expeditions.
I wanted to go visit www.politicalbetting.com but my google auto-suggest took me a famous porn website that also begins withs www.po
If Green is to go, Hammond is surely safe for now.
Hague to return briefly as Deputy PM would not be at all a bad idea though.
@TSE, your remark above - do I get the feeling you don't like Bob Not-Very-Quick much?
Isn't Theresa going to make it even harder to visit porn websites shortly as well (you'll have to leave credit card and personal details, etc.)
He and Sir Ian Blair are the primary reasons why the strong Tory relationship with the police broke down over the last decade or so.
It's depressing that I'm not especially technically astute but seem to be about a decade and a half ahead of people whose idiotic misunderstandings don't stop them actually being in charge of making policy.
I'm reminded of Yvette Cooper blathering about algorithms and there 'must be a way' to automatically remove extremist content. Because algorithms are magic.
Now that Sir Paul Stephenson has confirmed he was told at the time Green's more precise response (he's unlikely to imply Stephenson is lying) is being dressed as 'backing down' - its shoddy reporting all round......got up by an incompetent sacked policeman who has lied about the Tories in the past and has had to retract and apologise....
Mother wants to see the back of Susan Calman (She hasn't been keen from the start but her "Paso Doble" was the final straw I think...)
I pity the poor people who have had the job of flagging illegal content though, it sounds soul destroying.
Starts about 40 secs in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dtNlEh3nW0
I imagine the people who go in for that kind of job probably enjoy their work.
The headline in one of the South African papers the next day was 'Heads set to roll after Bigley footage blunder'
Granted, it's a comedy site, but I remember coming across a description of the job on Cracked
http://www.cracked.com/article_24834_5-ridiculously-awful-jobs-you-didnt-know-existed.html
1) Sir Ian Blair's pimping for Tony Blair over 90 days detention without charge, he went to brief the then Tory Shadow Cabinet and was destroyed by the likes of Dominic Grieve who asked Sir Ian Blair could cite how many examples of where the current 14 days was insufficient. He wasn't unable to do so, and left the Tories feeling they were the friends of terrorists.
2) The arrest of Damian Green, the heavy handedness of it, and Bob Quick's attacks.
In government.
3) The plebgate incident, as one Tory cabinet minister put it, 'If the police are prepared to fit up a cabinet minister what's to stop them fitting up a black kid in Brixton?'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scunthorpe_problem
The sheer level of unremitting cretinism that used to be limited to morons (ie governments of all stripes) believing the polygraph is an actual lie-detector has now expanded to include many areas of technology. It's alarming.
On polygraphs, they're now used (introduced by Labour, continued by the Coalition) to monitor paedophiles. Because a pretend lie-detector used on arguably the best liars in criminality (probably second to psychopaths, but still very good) is obviously a sensible use of technology that doesn't actually work.
Admittedly I work in a school and therefore special considerations apply. But to my mind the principle is the same.
What bothers me far more about all this is that the police are making allegations about something that should have been reported and investigated by the Speaker's Office at the time as a misuse of parliamentary equipment, but wasn't. That's even more surprising given that it would have allowed them to extract some faint credit from what was ultimately a total debacle that made them look like a bunch of twats.
I'm therefore disposed to wonder - especially given the record of Quicke and Stephenson - how truthful they are being. Put it this way, if I was told there was evidence Quicke was inventing all this to make up for his embarrassment over the fiasco that was Green's arrest I would not find that terribly surprising.
Neither is acceptable.
Mr. Eagles, that's precisely the judgement I'd expect from a man who thinks Caesar was a better general than Hannibal.
"Dave Davis is at the golf club returning his locker key when Mr
Barnier the membership secretary sees him.
"Hello Mr Davis," says Mr Barnier. "I'm sorry to hear you are no
longer renewing your club membership, if you would like to come to my
office we can settle your account."
"I have settled my bar bill," says Mr Davis.
"Ah yes Mr Davis," says Mr Barnier, "but there are other matters that
need settlement."
In Mr Barnier's office Mr Davis explains that he has settled his bar
bill so wonders what else he can possibly owe the Golf Club? "Well Mr
Davis," begins Mr Barnier. "You did agree to buy one of our Club
Jackets."
"Yes," agrees Mr Davis. "I did agree to buy a jacket but I haven't
received it yet. As soon as you supply the jacket I will send you a
cheque for the full amount."
"That will not be possible," explains Mr Barnier. "As you are no longer
a club member you will not be entitled to buy one of our jackets!"
"But you still want me to pay for it," exclaims Mr Davis.
"Yes," says Mr Barnier. "That will be £500 for the jacket. There is
also your bar bill."
"But I've already settled my bar bill." says Mr Davis.
To be continued.
"Yes," says Mr Barnier, "but as you can appreciate, we need to place
our orders from the Brewery in advance to ensure our bar is properly
stocked." "You regularly used to spend at least £50 a week in the bar
so we have placed orders with the brewery accordingly for the coming
year." "You therefore owe us £2600 for the year"
"Will you still allow me to have these drinks?" asks Mr Davis. "No of
course not Mr Davis. You are no longer a club member!" says Mr
Barnier.
"Next is your restaurant bill," continues Mr Barnier. "In the same
manner we have to make arrangements in advance with our catering
suppliers. Your average restaurant bill was in the order of £300 a
month, so we'll require payment of £3600 for the next year."
"I don't suppose you'll be letting me have these meals either?" asks Mr Davis.
"No, of course not," says an irritated Mr Barnier "You are no longer a
club member!"
"Then of course," Mr Barnier continues, "there are repairs to the
clubhouse roof."
"Clubhouse roof,” exclaims Mr Davis. "What's that got to do with me?"
"Well it still needs to be repaired and the builders are coming in
next week, your share of the bill is £2000."
"I see," says Mr Davis, "anything else?"
"Now you mention it" says Mr Barnier, "there is Fred the Barman's
pension. We would like you to pay £5 a week towards Fred's pension
when he retires next month. He's not well you know so I doubt we'll
need to ask you for payment for longer than about five years, so £1300
should do it. This brings your total bill to £10,000," says Mr Barnier.
"Let me get this straight," says Mr Davis. "You want me to pay £500 for
a jacket you won't let me have, £2600 for beverages you won't let me
drink and £3600 for food you won't let me eat, all under a roof I
won't be allowed under and not served by a bloke who's going to retire
next month!"
"Yes, it's all perfectly clear and quite reasonable," says Mr Barnier.
Now we understand what Brexit is all about."
If even the Remainers think this is funny, the EU isn't making many friends in the UK.
*heck 'I'll take a polygraph' is a sure sign in some of these cop shows that someone is definitely a psychopath, since they know they'll beat it.