Looks like a case for an investigation by Baroness Chakrabarti!
No no no! She's a stupid unpleasant ninny who wouldn't know what integrity and independence were if they came and bit her on her bum.
Is she personally unpleasant? Certainly, she's been willing to sacrifice her principles for personally advancement. But that's hardly unusual.
Indeed, some of the most pleasant people I've ever met have been utterly venal and corrupt. (My one big personal investing loss was the consequence of backing an extremely pleasant, affable individual. Who turned out to be a total crook.)
Yes she is. I know this on very good authority indeed. She's not very bright either though she thinks she is.
Looks like a case for an investigation by Baroness Chakrabarti!
No no no! She's a stupid unpleasant ninny who wouldn't know what integrity and independence were if they came and bit her on her bum.
Is she personally unpleasant? Certainly, she's been willing to sacrifice her principles for personally advancement. But that's hardly unusual.
Indeed, some of the most pleasant people I've ever met have been utterly venal and corrupt. (My one big personal investing loss was the consequence of backing an extremely pleasant, affable individual. Who turned out to be a total crook.)
Hitler had the reputation of being able to be very charming when he wanted to be.
Ms. Apocalypse, only the other day I was knocking Mao for his horrendous views (regarding hounding Conservative MPs).
On abuse: only at one conference were their hanged effigies. Only one side has a very senior MP calling for total hounding of all MPs from the other side.
When Conservative activists start stringing up effigies of Labour MPs, and Philip Hammond calls for every Labour MP to be hounded whenever they travel in public, I'll accept both major parties are equally nasty.
The BBC's political editor only needed a bodyguard at one conference, for that matter.
Kuenssberg had a bodyguard at Tory conference, too. She needed one for neither realistically.
I'd say the nasty party is the one whose policies have led to tens of thousands of excess deaths in recent years according to independent research. McDonnell's quotation from a member of the public may have been unpleasant, but it's not an inaccurate portrayal of how sections of the public feel about the bastards.
It's very easy for us all to be chummy on here, and be charitable to politicians. For political anoraks it's an interesting hobby like following the football and cheering the reds or the blues. McDonnell's quotation may be the sign of a different mood that I think is growing. People who are drawn to politics because it has delivered them and their families real hardship, real suffering, real death.
Plus while I was not a fan of the dementia tax and using peoples' homes to fund their personal care it was at least an attempt to provide more funds for social care, something Labour opposed.
Well, they were unclear on how at least.
Manifesto.
There are different ways the necessary monies can be raised. We will seek consensus on a cross-party basis about how [national care service at additional 3bn per annum] should be funded, with options including wealth taxes, an employer care contribution or a new social care levy.
So they would have sought consensus with the Tories, apparently. Perhaps some kind of dementia tax.
Ms. Apocalypse, only the other day I was knocking Mao for his horrendous views (regarding hounding Conservative MPs).
On abuse: only at one conference were their hanged effigies. Only one side has a very senior MP calling for total hounding of all MPs from the other side.
When Conservative activists start stringing up effigies of Labour MPs, and Philip Hammond calls for every Labour MP to be hounded whenever they travel in public, I'll accept both major parties are equally nasty.
The BBC's political editor only needed a bodyguard at one conference, for that matter.
Kuenssberg had a bodyguard at Tory conference, too. She needed one for neither realistically.
I'd say the nasty party is the one whose policies have led to tens of thousands of excess deaths in recent years according to independent research. McDonnell's quotation from a member of the public may have been unpleasant, but it's not an inaccurate portrayal of how sections of the public feel about the bastards.
Obvious points (i) No real evidence of a trend, given the scatter from year to year, (ii) absolute numbers of deaths peaked under Labour in 2003, (iii) absolute numbers were least under the Coalition in 2011.
Looks like a case for an investigation by Baroness Chakrabarti!
No no no! She's a stupid unpleasant ninny who wouldn't know what integrity and independence were if they came and bit her on her bum.
Is she personally unpleasant? Certainly, she's been willing to sacrifice her principles for personally advancement. But that's hardly unusual.
Indeed, some of the most pleasant people I've ever met have been utterly venal and corrupt. (My one big personal investing loss was the consequence of backing an extremely pleasant, affable individual. Who turned out to be a total crook.)
Yes she is. I know this on very good authority indeed. She's not very bright either though she thinks she is.
At the very least I think she still hasn't gotten used to the fact that now she has to openly parrot partisan Labour talking points, she cannot expect to have the same weight given to her pronouncements on other topics. She is so clearly in the game now.
Looks like a case for an investigation by Baroness Chakrabarti!
No no no! She's a stupid unpleasant ninny who wouldn't know what integrity and independence were if they came and bit her on her bum.
Is she personally unpleasant? Certainly, she's been willing to sacrifice her principles for personally advancement. But that's hardly unusual.
Indeed, some of the most pleasant people I've ever met have been utterly venal and corrupt. (My one big personal investing loss was the consequence of backing an extremely pleasant, affable individual. Who turned out to be a total crook.)
Hitler had the reputation of being able to be very charming when he wanted to be.
As could Idi Amin. A friend of mine grew up in Uganda in the Seventies and his parents were often invited to dinner and drinks with Amin, and he remembers how much fun he was for children to be with.
There are different ways the necessary monies can be raised. We will seek consensus on a cross-party basis about how [national care service at additional 3bn per annum] should be funded, with options including wealth taxes, an employer care contribution or a new social care levy.
So they would have sought consensus with the Tories, apparently. Perhaps some kind of dementia tax.
In a sense they were right. This does need to go beyond politics, because it's a massive long term structural issue. But in a sense also it's the wrong question to ask. Until we as a country have a sensible grown up conversation about end of life care for the elderly and who we do it and how much we pay for it, politicians can't really work out how to raise sufficient money to pay for it.
The problem is that governments of successive hues have increasingly taken away the ability to debate such issues sensibly in public by failing to give us time and space to do it. So now, when we really need not a political consensus but a national consensus on a huge variety of issues, we can't do it.
Ms. Apocalypse, only the other day I was knocking Mao for his horrendous views (regarding hounding Conservative MPs).
On abuse: only at one conference were their hanged effigies. Only one side has a very senior MP calling for total hounding of all MPs from the other side.
When Conservative activists start stringing up effigies of Labour MPs, and Philip Hammond calls for every Labour MP to be hounded whenever they travel in public, I'll accept both major parties are equally nasty.
The BBC's political editor only needed a bodyguard at one conference, for that matter.
Kuenssberg had a bodyguard at Tory conference, too. She needed one for neither realistically.
I'd say the nasty party is the one whose policies have led to tens of thousands of excess deaths in recent years according to independent research. McDonnell's quotation from a member of the public may have been unpleasant, but it's not an inaccurate portrayal of how sections of the public feel about the bastards.
It's very easy for us all to be chummy on here, and be charitable to politicians. For political anoraks it's an interesting hobby like following the football and cheering the reds or the blues. McDonnell's quotation may be the sign of a different mood that I think is growing. People who are drawn to politics because it has delivered them and their families real hardship, real suffering, real death.
Plus while I was not a fan of the dementia tax and using peoples' homes to fund their personal care it was at least an attempt to provide more funds for social care, something Labour opposed.
Well, they were unclear on how at least.
Manifesto.
There are different ways the necessary monies can be raised. We will seek consensus on a cross-party basis about how [national care service at additional 3bn per annum] should be funded, with options including wealth taxes, an employer care contribution or a new social care levy.
So they would have sought consensus with the Tories, apparently. Perhaps some kind of dementia tax.
No commitment to anything there at all, just some vague considerations of potential options.
Though personally I prefer social insurance which is suggested as the final option.
Looks like a case for an investigation by Baroness Chakrabarti!
No no no! She's a stupid unpleasant ninny who wouldn't know what integrity and independence were if they came and bit her on her bum.
Is she personally unpleasant? Certainly, she's been willing to sacrifice her principles for personally advancement. But that's hardly unusual.
Indeed, some of the most pleasant people I've ever met have been utterly venal and corrupt. (My one big personal investing loss was the consequence of backing an extremely pleasant, affable individual. Who turned out to be a total crook.)
Hitler had the reputation of being able to be very charming when he wanted to be.
As could Idi Amin. A friend of mine grew up in Uganda in the Seventies and his parents were often invited to dinner and drinks with Amin, and he remembers how much fun he was for children to be with.
Mao Zedong was considered a great intellectual, wit and speaker.
Ms. Apocalypse, only the other day I was knocking Mao for his horrendous views (regarding hounding Conservative MPs).
On abuse: only at one conference were their hanged effigies. Only one side has a very senior MP calling for total hounding of all MPs from the other side.
When Conservative activists start stringing up effigies of Labour MPs, and Philip Hammond calls for every Labour MP to be hounded whenever they travel in public, I'll accept both major parties are equally nasty.
The BBC's political editor only needed a bodyguard at one conference, for that matter.
Kuenssberg had a bodyguard at Tory conference, too. She needed one for neither realistically.
I'd say the nasty party is the one whose policies have led to tens of thousands of excess deaths in recent years according to independent research. McDonnell's quotation from a member of the public may have been unpleasant, but it's not an inaccurate portrayal of how sections of the public feel about the bastards.
It's very easy for us all to be chummy on here, and be charitable to politicians. For political anoraks it's an interesting hobby like following the football and cheering the reds or the blues. McDonnell's quotation may be the sign of a different mood that I think is growing. People who are drawn to politics because it has delivered them and their families real hardship, real suffering, real death.
Plus while I was not a fan of the dementia tax and using peoples' homes to fund their personal care it was at least an attempt to provide more funds for social care, something Labour opposed.
Well, they were unclear on how at least.
Manifesto.
There are different ways the necessary monies can be raised. We will seek consensus on a cross-party basis about how [national care service at additional 3bn per annum] should be funded, with options including wealth taxes, an employer care contribution or a new social care levy.
So they would have sought consensus with the Tories, apparently. Perhaps some kind of dementia tax.
No commitment to anything there at all, just some vague considerations of potential options.
Oh I know. My recollection is the LDs had a similar goal of a national care service but were clearer on specific funding.
McCluskey's quote on Red Robbo is unfortunately a bit backhanded:
"He is quoted as saying: 'If we make Leyland successful, it will be a political victory. It will prove that ordinary working people have got the intelligence and determination to run industry'.
"These words are a suitable epithet for a stalwart of the trade union movement, whose passing we mourn."
Looks like a case for an investigation by Baroness Chakrabarti!
No no no! She's a stupid unpleasant ninny who wouldn't know what integrity and independence were if they came and bit her on her bum.
Is she personally unpleasant? Certainly, she's been willing to sacrifice her principles for personally advancement. But that's hardly unusual.
Indeed, some of the most pleasant people I've ever met have been utterly venal and corrupt. (My one big personal investing loss was the consequence of backing an extremely pleasant, affable individual. Who turned out to be a total crook.)
Hitler had the reputation of being able to be very charming when he wanted to be.
As could Idi Amin. A friend of mine grew up in Uganda in the Seventies and his parents were often invited to dinner and drinks with Amin, and he remembers how much fun he was for children to be with.
Mao Zedong was considered a great intellectual, wit and speaker.
Well, by people stood next to him anyway.
That Kim Jong Il is also a demon on the golf course I have heard.
Looks like a case for an investigation by Baroness Chakrabarti!
No no no! She's a stupid unpleasant ninny who wouldn't know what integrity and independence were if they came and bit her on her bum.
Is she personally unpleasant? Certainly, she's been willing to sacrifice her principles for personally advancement. But that's hardly unusual.
Indeed, some of the most pleasant people I've ever met have been utterly venal and corrupt. (My one big personal investing loss was the consequence of backing an extremely pleasant, affable individual. Who turned out to be a total crook.)
Hitler had the reputation of being able to be very charming when he wanted to be.
As could Idi Amin. A friend of mine grew up in Uganda in the Seventies and his parents were often invited to dinner and drinks with Amin, and he remembers how much fun he was for children to be with.
Intelligent sociopaths are very good at manipulating and deceiving people. Being able to be charming (when they want to) is part of their abilities. They simply do whatever it takes to achieve their goals without any qualms whatsoever.
Ms. Apocalypse, only the other day I was knocking Mao for his horrendous views (regarding hounding Conservative MPs).
On abuse: only at one conference were their hanged effigies. Only one side has a very senior MP calling for total hounding of all MPs from the other side.
When Conservative activists start stringing up effigies of Labour MPs, and Philip Hammond calls for every Labour MP to be hounded whenever they travel in public, I'll accept both major parties are equally nasty.
The BBC's political editor only needed a bodyguard at one conference, for that matter.
Kuenssberg had a bodyguard at Tory conference, too. She needed one for neither realistically.
I'd say the nasty party is the one whose policies have led to tens of thousands of excess deaths in recent years according to independent research. McDonnell's quotation from a member of the public may have been unpleasant, but it's not an inaccurate portrayal of how sections of the public feel about the bastards.
It's very easy for us all to be chummy on here, and be charitable to politicians. For political anoraks it's an interesting hobby like following the football and cheering the reds or the blues. McDonnell's quotation may be the sign of a different mood that I think is growing. People who are drawn to politics because it has delivered them and their families real hardship, real suffering, real death.
Plus while I was not a fan of the dementia tax and using peoples' homes to fund their personal care it was at least an attempt to provide more funds for social care, something Labour opposed.
Well, they were unclear on how at least.
Manifesto.
There are different ways the necessary monies can be raised. We will seek consensus on a cross-party basis about how [national care service at additional 3bn per annum] should be funded, with options including wealth taxes, an employer care contribution or a new social care levy.
So they would have sought consensus with the Tories, apparently. Perhaps some kind of dementia tax.
No commitment to anything there at all, just some vague considerations of potential options.
Oh I know. My recollection is the LDs had a similar goal of a national care service but were clearer on specific funding.
Ms. Apocalypse, only the other day I was knocking Mao for his horrendous views (regarding hounding Conservative MPs).
On abuse: only at one conference were their hanged effigies. Only one side has a very senior MP calling for total hounding of all MPs from the other side.
When Conservative activists start stringing up effigies of Labour MPs, and Philip Hammond calls for every Labour MP to be hounded whenever they travel in public, I'll accept both major parties are equally nasty.
The BBC's political editor only needed a bodyguard at one conference, for that matter.
Kuenssberg had a bodyguard at Tory conference, too. She needed one for neither realistically.
I'd say the nasty party is the one whose policies have led to tens of thousands of excess deaths in recent years according to independent research. McDonnell's quotation from a member of the public may have been unpleasant, but it's not an inaccurate portrayal of how sections of the public feel about the bastards.
It's very easy for us all to be chummy on here, and be charitable to politicians. For political anoraks it's an interesting hobby like following the football and cheering the reds or the blues. McDonnell's quotation may be the sign of a different mood that I think is growing. People who are drawn to politics because it has delivered them and their families real hardship, real suffering, real death.
Age-standardised mortality rates fell significantly in 2016, and were about 6% lower than in 2010, and far lower than the average for 1997-2010. So, at any given age, people are less likely to die now than has ever been the case.
According to this: https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2017/07/20/whats-happening-with-mortality-rates-in-england/ - 2016 ASM rates fell to the standard, and then early 2017 data indicates it's been worse than the trend again. Having seen the state of the NHS early this year I can believe it. A year back on the expected trend does not reverse a year significantly worse. The NHS is palpably struggling, people who use it can feel that it's been stretched to breaking point regardless. This winter will be another one of misery for many families.
Looks like a case for an investigation by Baroness Chakrabarti!
No no no! She's a stupid unpleasant ninny who wouldn't know what integrity and independence were if they came and bit her on her bum.
Is she personally unpleasant? Certainly, she's been willing to sacrifice her principles for personally advancement. But that's hardly unusual.
Indeed, some of the most pleasant people I've ever met have been utterly venal and corrupt. (My one big personal investing loss was the consequence of backing an extremely pleasant, affable individual. Who turned out to be a total crook.)
Hitler had the reputation of being able to be very charming when he wanted to be.
As could Idi Amin. A friend of mine grew up in Uganda in the Seventies and his parents were often invited to dinner and drinks with Amin, and he remembers how much fun he was for children to be with.
Mao Zedong was considered a great intellectual, wit and speaker.
Well, by people stood next to him anyway.
That Kim Jong Il is also a demon on the golf course I have heard.
Only today he apparently congratulated an officer for stopping his chauffeur for speeding.
Well, according to the Twitter feed of DPRK News Service anyway, who, as we know, never lie.
The House of Lords should indeed be abolished and replaced by an elected chamber which represents the People.
The irony?
The Liberals and Labour who should be leading the campaign to abolish the Lords, are at the moment looking to the Lords and its unelected and unrepresentative peers to frustrate the will of the People on Brexit.
The House of Lords should indeed be abolished and replaced by an elected chamber which represents the People.
The irony?
The Liberals and Labour who should be leading the campaign to abolish the Lords, are at the moment looking to the Lords and its unelected and unrepresentative peers to frustrate the will of the People on Brexit.
The House of Lords should indeed be abolished and replaced by an elected chamber which represents the People.
The irony?
The Liberals and Labour who should be leading the campaign to abolish the Lords, are at the moment looking to the Lords and its unelected and unrepresentative peers to frustrate the will of the People on Brexit.
Lords give us reform but not yet.
*Claps*
Mind you, reform of the Lords has been going on for 106 years and hasn't got very far yet.
In looking back at old manifestos, I am reminded that the Tory manifesto in June included no mention of Corbyn or Labour (in the sense of Labour party, not that there is no reference to, for example, labour markets). I wonder if that is usual, for governments, as Labour's has a handful of references to Theresa May and Tory cuts and Tory government and so on. Not huge numbers, but a handful.
The LD manifesto opening on the other hand reads a little sad now, as it is clear there was hope of really breaking back in, at Labour's expense.
To be clear, Theresa May’s Conservative Party is on course to win this election. Unless we make a stand, they will walk away with a landslide. We risk the arrogance and heartlessness with which she has governed for the last 10 months being reinforced by a majority that no government has had for 20 years. The reason? There is a complete absence of real opposition from Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party
And to this question, people said 'Yes please'
So on June the 8th, I am asking you to think very hard about what will be best for you, your friends and family, and the area you live in. Another Tory MP, to bolster Theresa May’s majority? Another member of Labour’s hopeless and failed opposition? Another Nationalist MP who only wants to break up the UK?
Ms. Apocalypse, only the other day I was knocking Mao for his horrendous views (regarding hounding Conservative MPs).
On abuse: only at one conference were their hanged effigies. Only one side has a very senior MP calling for total hounding of all MPs from the other side.
When Conservative activists start stringing up effigies of Labour MPs, and Philip Hammond calls for every Labour MP to be hounded whenever they travel in public, I'll accept both major parties are equally nasty.
The BBC's political editor only needed a bodyguard at one conference, for that matter.
Kuenssberg had a bodyguard at Tory conference, too. She needed one for neither realistically.
I'd say the nasty party is the one whose policies have led to tens of thousands of excess deaths in recent years according to independent research. McDonnell's quotation from a member of the public may have been unpleasant, but it's not an inaccurate portrayal of how sections of the public feel about the bastards.
It's very easy for us all to be chummy on here, and be charitable to politicians. For political anoraks it's an interesting hobby like following the football and cheering the reds or the blues. McDonnell's quotation may be the sign of a different mood that I think is growing. People who are drawn to politics because it has delivered them and their families real hardship, real suffering, real death.
Plus while I was not a fan of the dementia tax and using peoples' homes to fund their personal care it was at least an attempt to provide more funds for social care, something Labour opposed.
Well, they were unclear on how at least.
Manifesto.
There are care levy.
So they would have sought consensus with the Tories, apparently. Perhaps some kind of dementia tax.
No commitment to anything there at all, just some vague considerations of potential options.
Oh I know. My recollection is the LDs had a similar goal of a national care service but were clearer on specific funding.
A step up from Labour then.
That was a major theme of their manifesto - a step up from Labour.
Ms. Apocalypse, only the other day I was knocking Mao for his horrendous views (regarding hounding Conservative MPs).
On abuse: only at one conference were their hanged effigies. Only one side has a very senior MP calling for total hounding of all MPs from the other side.
When Conservative activists start stringing up effigies of Labour MPs, and Philip Hammond calls for every Labour MP to be hounded whenever they travel in public, I'll accept both major parties are equally nasty.
The BBC's political editor only needed a bodyguard at one conference, for that matter.
Kuenssberg had a bodyguard at Tory conference, too. She needed one for neither realistically.
I'd say the nasty party is the one whose policies have led to tens of thousands of excess deaths in recent years according to independent research. McDonnell's quotation from a member of the public may have been unpleasant, but it's not an inaccurate portrayal of how sections of the public feel about the bastards.
It's very easy for us all to be chummy on here, and be charitable to politicians. For political anoraks it's an interesting hobby like following the football and cheering the reds or the blues. McDonnell's quotation may be the sign of a different mood that I think is growing. People who are drawn to politics because it has delivered them and their families real hardship, real suffering, real death.
Plus while I was not a fan of the dementia tax and using peoples' homes to fund their personal care it was at least an attempt to provide more funds for social care, something Labour opposed.
Well, they were unclear on how at least.
Manifesto.
There are care levy.
So they would have sought consensus with the Tories, apparently. Perhaps some kind of dementia tax.
No commitment to anything there at all, just some vague considerations of potential options.
Oh I know. My recollection is the LDs had a similar goal of a national care service but were clearer on specific funding.
A step up from Labour then.
That was a major theme of their manifesto - a step up from Labour.
Looks like a case for an investigation by Baroness Chakrabarti!
No no no! She's a stupid unpleasant ninny who wouldn't know what integrity and independence were if they came and bit her on her bum.
Is she personally unpleasant? Certainly, she's been willing to sacrifice her principles for personally advancement. But that's hardly unusual.
Indeed, some of the most pleasant people I've ever met have been utterly venal and corrupt. (My one big personal investing loss was the consequence of backing an extremely pleasant, affable individual. Who turned out to be a total crook.)
Hitler had the reputation of being able to be very charming when he wanted to be.
As could Idi Amin. A friend of mine grew up in Uganda in the Seventies and his parents were often invited to dinner and drinks with Amin, and he remembers how much fun he was for children to be with.
Intelligent sociopaths are very good at manipulating and deceiving people. Being able to be charming (when they want to) is part of their abilities. They simply do whatever it takes to achieve their goals without any qualms whatsoever.
Is there such a thing as an intelligent non-sociopath?
I'd like to think so, but I'm not convinced there are many of those about. Perhaps a few librarians and such.
I think people generally learn - and then use - whichever social strategies advance their interests.
The House of Lords should indeed be abolished and replaced by an elected chamber which represents the People.
The irony?
The Liberals and Labour who should be leading the campaign to abolish the Lords, are at the moment looking to the Lords and its unelected and unrepresentative peers to frustrate the will of the People on Brexit.
Lords give us reform but not yet.
*Claps*
Mind you, reform of the Lords has been going on for 106 years and hasn't got very far yet.
Well sure, but it's been around in one form or another for the better part of a thousand years, so when you look it that way it's been some rapid change in the last 10-15% of its existence.
In looking back at old manifestos, I am reminded that the Tory manifesto in June included no mention of Corbyn or Labour (in the sense of Labour party, not that there is no reference to, for example, labour markets). I wonder if that is usual, for governments, as Labour's has a handful of references to Theresa May and Tory cuts and Tory government and so on. Not huge numbers, but a handful.
Until the 1980s, Tory policy in most elections was to campaign positively in the belief that it was statesmanlike not to attack your opponents. There were dazzling exceptions, but Thatcher was the first to use strongly negative tactics in her manifesto as a matter of course.
However, one advantage the Tories undoubtedly do have that extends back literally centuries is that the press do a lot of the negative stuff for them - this year, Miliband, Kinnock, Bevan, Zinoviev all spring to mind with no effort!
Edit - and yes the Liberal Democrat pitch is rather poignant.
NYC incident: ABC7 and NBC4 both reporting two dead. City officials saying incident seems to have started with a road-rage incident with shots fired, then one participant driving truck along cycle lane and then hitting a school bus before leaving vehicle and firing at pedestrians. Then shot by NYPD and taken into custody.
Ms. Apocalypse, only the other day I was knocking Mao for his horrendous views (regarding hounding Conservative MPs).
On abuse: only at one conference were their hanged effigies. Only one side has a very senior MP calling for total hounding of all MPs from the other side.
When Conservative activists start stringing up effigies of Labour MPs, and Philip Hammond calls for every Labour MP to be hounded whenever they travel in public, I'll accept both major parties are equally nasty.
The BBC's political editor only needed a bodyguard at one conference, for that matter.
Kuenssberg had a bodyguard at Tory conference, too. She needed one for neither realistically.
I'd say the nasty party is the one whose policies have led to tens of thousands of excess deaths in recent years according to independent research. McDonnell's quotation from a member of the public may have been unpleasant, but it's not an inaccurate portrayal of how sections of the public feel about the bastards.
It's very easy for us all to be chummy on here, and be charitable to politicians. For political anoraks it's an interesting hobby like following the football and cheering the reds or the blues. McDonnell's quotation may be the sign of a different mood that I think is growing. People who are drawn to politics because it has delivered them and their families real hardship, real suffering, real death.
Age-standardised mortality rates fell significantly in 2016, and were about 6% lower than in 2010, and far lower than the average for 1997-2010. So, at any given age, people are less likely to die now than has ever been the case.
According to this: https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2017/07/20/whats-happening-with-mortality-rates-in-england/ - 2016 ASM rates fell to the standard, and then early 2017 data indicates it's been worse than the trend again. Having seen the state of the NHS early this year I can believe it. A year back on the expected trend does not reverse a year significantly worse. The NHS is palpably struggling, people who use it can feel that it's been stretched to breaking point regardless. This winter will be another one of misery for many families.
ASM rates won't improve for ever. But, it doesn't alter that they are better than when this government came to power.
NYC incident: ABC7 and NBC4 both reporting two dead. City officials saying incident seems to have started with a road-rage incident with shots fired, then one participant driving truck along cycle lane and then hitting a school bus before leaving vehicle and firing at pedestrians. Then shot by NYPD and taken into custody.
Looks like a case for an investigation by Baroness Chakrabarti!
No no no! She's a stupid unpleasant ninny who wouldn't know what integrity and independence were if they came and bit her on her bum.
Is she personally unpleasant? Certainly, she's been willing to sacrifice her principles for personally advancement. But that's hardly unusual.
Indeed, some of the most pleasant people I've ever met have been utterly venal and corrupt. (My one big personal investing loss was the consequence of backing an extremely pleasant, affable individual. Who turned out to be a total crook.)
Yes she is. I know this on very good authority indeed. She's not very bright either though she thinks she is.
Ooohhhh. Does she post on PB? Am I allowed to guess who she is?
Looks like a case for an investigation by Baroness Chakrabarti!
No no no! She's a stupid unpleasant ninny who wouldn't know what integrity and independence were if they came and bit her on her bum.
Is she personally unpleasant? Certainly, she's been willing to sacrifice her principles for personally advancement. But that's hardly unusual.
Indeed, some of the most pleasant people I've ever met have been utterly venal and corrupt. (My one big personal investing loss was the consequence of backing an extremely pleasant, affable individual. Who turned out to be a total crook.)
Yes she is. I know this on very good authority indeed. She's not very bright either though she thinks she is.
Ooohhhh. Does she post on PB? Am I allowed to guess who she is?
Let’s put it this way... have you ever seen MikeSmithson and her in the same room?
Looks like a case for an investigation by Baroness Chakrabarti!
No no no! She's a stupid unpleasant ninny who wouldn't know what integrity and independence were if they came and bit her on her bum.
Is she personally unpleasant? Certainly, she's been willing to sacrifice her principles for personally advancement. But that's hardly unusual.
Indeed, some of the most pleasant people I've ever met have been utterly venal and corrupt. (My one big personal investing loss was the consequence of backing an extremely pleasant, affable individual. Who turned out to be a total crook.)
Hitler had the reputation of being able to be very charming when he wanted to be.
As could Idi Amin. A friend of mine grew up in Uganda in the Seventies and his parents were often invited to dinner and drinks with Amin, and he remembers how much fun he was for children to be with.
Intelligent sociopaths are very good at manipulating and deceiving people. Being able to be charming (when they want to) is part of their abilities. They simply do whatever it takes to achieve their goals without any qualms whatsoever.
Is there such a thing as an intelligent non-sociopath?
I'd like to think so, but I'm not convinced there are many of those about. Perhaps a few librarians and such.
I think people generally learn - and then use - whichever social strategies advance their interests.
People with Asperger's are often intelligent but have poor social skills.
Looks like a case for an investigation by Baroness Chakrabarti!
No no no! She's a stupid unpleasant ninny who wouldn't know what integrity and independence were if they came and bit her on her bum.
Is she personally unpleasant? Certainly, she's been willing to sacrifice her principles for personally advancement. But that's hardly unusual.
Indeed, some of the most pleasant people I've ever met have been utterly venal and corrupt. (My one big personal investing loss was the consequence of backing an extremely pleasant, affable individual. Who turned out to be a total crook.)
Yes she is. I know this on very good authority indeed. She's not very bright either though she thinks she is.
Ooohhhh. Does she post on PB? Am I allowed to guess who she is?
Cyclefree's personal antipathy to anything Chakra on this site is tiresome, tedious and particularly unpleasant
Looks like a case for an investigation by Baroness Chakrabarti!
No no no! She's a stupid unpleasant ninny who wouldn't know what integrity and independence were if they came and bit her on her bum.
Is she personally unpleasant? Certainly, she's been willing to sacrifice her principles for personally advancement. But that's hardly unusual.
Indeed, some of the most pleasant people I've ever met have been utterly venal and corrupt. (My one big personal investing loss was the consequence of backing an extremely pleasant, affable individual. Who turned out to be a total crook.)
Hitler had the reputation of being able to be very charming when he wanted to be.
As could Idi Amin. A friend of mine grew up in Uganda in the Seventies and his parents were often invited to dinner and drinks with Amin, and he remembers how much fun he was for children to be with.
Intelligent sociopaths are very good at manipulating and deceiving people. Being able to be charming (when they want to) is part of their abilities. They simply do whatever it takes to achieve their goals without any qualms whatsoever.
Is there such a thing as an intelligent non-sociopath?
I'd like to think so, but I'm not convinced there are many of those about. Perhaps a few librarians and such.
I think people generally learn - and then use - whichever social strategies advance their interests.
People with Asperger's are often intelligent but have poor social skills.
PbCOM attracts quite a few obsessive asbergery types.....some left, some right and some centre
Looks like a case for an investigation by Baroness Chakrabarti!
No no no! She's a stupid unpleasant ninny who wouldn't know what integrity and independence were if they came and bit her on her bum.
Is she personally unpleasant? Certainly, she's been willing to sacrifice her principles for personally advancement. But that's hardly unusual.
Indeed, some of the most pleasant people I've ever met have been utterly venal and corrupt. (My one big personal investing loss was the consequence of backing an extremely pleasant, affable individual. Who turned out to be a total crook.)
Hitler had the reputation of being able to be very charming when he wanted to be.
As could Idi Amin. A friend of mine grew up in Uganda in the Seventies and his parents were often invited to dinner and drinks with Amin, and he remembers how much fun he was for children to be with.
Intelligent sociopaths are very good at manipulating and deceiving people. Being able to be charming (when they want to) is part of their abilities. They simply do whatever it takes to achieve their goals without any qualms whatsoever.
Is there such a thing as an intelligent non-sociopath?
I'd like to think so, but I'm not convinced there are many of those about. Perhaps a few librarians and such.
I think people generally learn - and then use - whichever social strategies advance their interests.
People with Asperger's are often intelligent but have poor social skills.
PbCOM attracts quite a few obsessive asbergery types.....some left, some right and some centre
Looks like a case for an investigation by Baroness Chakrabarti!
No no no! She's a stupid unpleasant ninny who wouldn't know what integrity and independence were if they came and bit her on her bum.
Hmm. To quote an oracle:
"I think it is very important not to take the view that because someone disagrees with you they are an awful human being."
Zing.
That said, it would be possible to disagree with someone and coincidentally take the view they an awful human being, depending on other qualities they possess.
Home Secretary Amber Rudd was put on there only because she had a relationship with Eton-educated Tory MP Kwasi Kwarteng after her divorce from AA Gill.
St Austell MP Steve Double is also on there for having an affair with his office liaison with Sarah Bunt, 26, but was taken back by his forgiving wife Anne in 2016
I am sure there are going to be some serious allegations / cases, but so far knee touching and consensual relationships some how find themselves on the list of sex pests does nobody any good.
Home Secretary Amber Rudd was put on there only because she had a relationship with Eton-educated Tory MP Kwasi Kwarteng after her divorce from AA Gill.
Home Secretary Amber Rudd was put on there only because she had a relationship with Eton-educated Tory MP Kwasi Kwarteng after her divorce from AA Gill.
St Austell MP Steve Double is also on there for having an affair with his office liaison with Sarah Bunt, 26, but was taken back by his forgiving wife Anne in 2016
I am sure there are going to be some serious allegations / cases, but so far knee touching and consensual relationships some how find themselves on the list of sex pests does nobody any good.
Why is Kwasi's education relevant? What does the mail think we learn at School?!
Home Secretary Amber Rudd was put on there only because she had a relationship with Eton-educated Tory MP Kwasi Kwarteng after her divorce from AA Gill.
St Austell MP Steve Double is also on there for having an affair with his office liaison with Sarah Bunt, 26, but was taken back by his forgiving wife Anne in 2016
I am sure there are going to be some serious allegations / cases, but so far knee touching and consensual relationships some how find themselves on the list of sex pests does nobody any good.
Why is Kwasi's education relevant? What does the mail think we learn at School?!
Given it was the mail, I am surprised they didn't also include the value of his house.
Home Secretary Amber Rudd was put on there only because she had a relationship with Eton-educated Tory MP Kwasi Kwarteng after her divorce from AA Gill.
St Austell MP Steve Double is also on there for having an affair with his office liaison with Sarah Bunt, 26, but was taken back by his forgiving wife Anne in 2016
I am sure there are going to be some serious allegations / cases, but so far knee touching and consensual relationships some how find themselves on the list of sex pests does nobody any good.
Why is Kwasi's education relevant? What does the mail think we learn at School?!
Eton-Educated=elitish and posh=probably into some weird kinky stuff?
Home Secretary Amber Rudd was put on there only because she had a relationship with Eton-educated Tory MP Kwasi Kwarteng after her divorce from AA Gill.
St Austell MP Steve Double is also on there for having an affair with his office liaison with Sarah Bunt, 26, but was taken back by his forgiving wife Anne in 2016
I am sure there are going to be some serious allegations / cases, but so far knee touching and consensual relationships some how find themselves on the list of sex pests does nobody any good.
Why is Kwasi's education relevant? What does the mail think we learn at School?!
Presumably because he isn't some vulnerable young researcher.
Ms. Apocalypse, only the other day I was knocking Mao for his horrendous views (regarding hounding Conservative MPs).
On abuse: only at one conference were their hanged effigies. Only one side has a very senior MP calling for total hounding of all MPs from the other side.
When Conservative activists start stringing up effigies of Labour MPs, and Philip Hammond calls for every Labour MP to be hounded whenever they travel in public, I'll accept both major parties are equally nasty.
The BBC's political editor only needed a bodyguard at one conference, for that matter.
Kuenssberg had a bodyguard at Tory conference, too. She needed one for neither realistically.
I'd say the nasty party is the one whose policies have led to tens of thousands of excess deaths in recent years according to independent research. McDonnell's quotation from a member of the public may have been unpleasant, but it's not an inaccurate portrayal of how sections of the public feel about the bastards.
I seem to recall it was your party which left unemployment of 9% which has only fallen to 4% under the Coalition and the Tories.
Interesting, in that being unable to answer, you try and divert attention away. Sign of a guilty conscience perhaps?
No, see my two posts below rebutting the original allegations too.
Nope, nice try, but when the same tactic is used repeatedly, others start catching on. You'll just have to try something else when you're losing an argument.
Looks like a case for an investigation by Baroness Chakrabarti!
No no no! She's a stupid unpleasant ninny who wouldn't know what integrity and independence were if they came and bit her on her bum.
Hmm. To quote an oracle:
"I think it is very important not to take the view that because someone disagrees with you they are an awful human being."
Zing.
That said, it would be possible to disagree with someone and coincidentally take the view they an awful human being, depending on other qualities they possess.
True. But I've not heard Cyclefree express a view on any aspect of Shami except that she wrote a report that Cyclefree disagreed with. If they've met and Cyclefree has some non-political reason for disliking her, that's of course different.
Well, completely off topic but very exciting - for me anyway!
Today I got my first piece of work as a freelance. Since I only set up my company last week and have not really launched myself on an unsuspecting world, this is very exciting news for me.
Of course, it may be the only piece of work I get, but hey.... it's a start.
Has anything happened out there: any more knees touched? War in Korea? Some hitherto unappreciated aspect of Brexit we have not discussed ad nauseam?
Congratulations on getting your first piece of work. I hope it will be one of many.
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Manifesto.
There are different ways the necessary monies can be raised. We will seek consensus on a cross-party basis about how [national care service at additional 3bn per annum] should be funded, with options including wealth taxes, an employer care contribution or a new social care levy.
So they would have sought consensus with the Tories, apparently. Perhaps some kind of dementia tax.
Here's the graph on Figure 1 of the link from the ONS
http://tinyurl.com/y9melq6d
Obvious points (i) No real evidence of a trend, given the scatter from year to year, (ii) absolute numbers of deaths peaked under Labour in 2003, (iii) absolute numbers were least under the Coalition in 2011.
Conclusion; your post is nonsense.
The problem is that governments of successive hues have increasingly taken away the ability to debate such issues sensibly in public by failing to give us time and space to do it. So now, when we really need not a political consensus but a national consensus on a huge variety of issues, we can't do it.
Though personally I prefer social insurance which is suggested as the final option.
Well, by people stood next to him anyway.
"He is quoted as saying: 'If we make Leyland successful, it will be a political victory. It will prove that ordinary working people have got the intelligence and determination to run industry'.
"These words are a suitable epithet for a stalwart of the trade union movement, whose passing we mourn."
Intelligent sociopaths are very good at manipulating and deceiving people. Being able to be charming (when they want to) is part of their abilities. They simply do whatever it takes to achieve their goals without any qualms whatsoever.
Well, according to the Twitter feed of DPRK News Service anyway, who, as we know, never lie.
The irony?
The Liberals and Labour who should be leading the campaign to abolish the Lords, are at the moment looking to the Lords and its unelected and unrepresentative peers to frustrate the will of the People on Brexit.
http://www.foxnews.com/
Lords give us reform but not yet.
Mind you, reform of the Lords has been going on for 106 years and hasn't got very far yet.
The LD manifesto opening on the other hand reads a little sad now, as it is clear there was hope of really breaking back in, at Labour's expense.
To be clear, Theresa May’s Conservative Party is on course to win this election.
Unless we make a stand, they will walk away with a landslide. We risk the
arrogance and heartlessness with which she has governed for the last 10 months
being reinforced by a majority that no government has had for 20 years.
The reason? There is a complete absence of real opposition from Jeremy Corbyn’s
Labour Party
And to this question, people said 'Yes please'
So on June the 8th, I am asking you to think very hard about what will be best for you, your friends and family, and the area you live in. Another Tory MP, to bolster Theresa May’s majority? Another member of Labour’s hopeless and failed opposition? Another Nationalist MP who only wants to break up the UK?
I'd like to think so, but I'm not convinced there are many of those about. Perhaps a few librarians and such.
I think people generally learn - and then use - whichever social strategies advance their interests.
However, one advantage the Tories undoubtedly do have that extends back literally centuries is that the press do a lot of the negative stuff for them - this year, Miliband, Kinnock, Bevan, Zinoviev all spring to mind with no effort!
Edit - and yes the Liberal Democrat pitch is rather poignant.
This not the only incident reported
"I think it is very important not to take the view that because someone disagrees with you they are an awful human being."
That said, it would be possible to disagree with someone and coincidentally take the view they an awful human being, depending on other qualities they possess.
Home Secretary Amber Rudd was put on there only because she had a relationship with Eton-educated Tory MP Kwasi Kwarteng after her divorce from AA Gill.
St Austell MP Steve Double is also on there for having an affair with his office liaison with Sarah Bunt, 26, but was taken back by his forgiving wife Anne in 2016
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5034799/Fresh-allegations-swirl-sex-Westminster.html
I am sure there are going to be some serious allegations / cases, but so far knee touching and consensual relationships some how find themselves on the list of sex pests does nobody any good.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/oct/31/newsnight-editor-ian-katz-quits-bbc-for-top-channel-4-role
I believe that is media speak for is totally unqualified for the role and was shit at his last job, but we are going to hire him anyway.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/31/tory-minister-mp-accused-paying-women-keep-quiet/
So some people have clearly been included because they are closeted or into kinky stuff in a consensual way.
My sort of woman, and those eyes...
Irritatingly, I like both Shami and Cyclefree.