The poll tax not everyone and especially annoyed the middle class unless they were very wealthy hence the Tory poll rating nosedive as a result, UC only affects the poor and unemployed who tend to vote Labour and longer term it will benefit them by getting more of them into employment as is already starting to occur
No. It effects people on working class tax credit and child tax credit. How many people is that?
Tax credits and benefits work on the principle that the more you earn the fewer benefits and credits you get, a socialist principle.
Universal Credit works on the principle that if you earn more you do not straight away lose all your benefits, thus incentivising work, a Tory principle
The poll tax not everyone and especially annoyed the middle class unless they were very wealthy hence the Tory poll rating nosedive as a result, UC only affects the poor and unemployed who tend to vote Labour and longer term it will benefit them by getting more of them into employment as is already starting to occur
Some huge assumptions there. For example, getting families to budget is not necessarily a bad idea - but forcing them to do so without help invites disaster for a large number... and that assumes a system working without problems, which is hardly the case.
The poll tax not everyone and especially annoyed the middle class unless they were very wealthy hence the Tory poll rating nosedive as a result, UC only affects the poor and unemployed who tend to vote Labour and longer term it will benefit them by getting more of them into employment as is already starting to occur
You don't understand that UC is impacting people in employment, including people who vote Tory.
You have stood for elected office for the Tories (and may do so again) how do think your comments would go down with the voters if you keep on bleating that UC affects people people who generally vote Labour.
The people most affected by UC are DE voters who voted for Corbyn and who longer term UC will help to enter the workplace rather than be solely reliant on benefits thus making them more likely to vote Tory than they were previously.
I don't disagree in the short term the delays in benefit payments under UC need to be tackled, which Gauke already is making progress on as he told the Tory conference but longer term UC will be a net positive
It affects one third of the working age population. Almost 8m households. Write off the political impact at your peril.
Not as far as I can see. Reviews from both the critics and the public are overwhelmingly positive, generally ravingly so. That includes amongst those who did not see the original. Box office wise it suffers from being long (committing around 3 1/2 hours to a film including trailers and ads is a lot for many people these days) and also from the claim made before the weekend that it will take $50 million in its opening weekend in the US - which came from a couple of newspapers not from the studio. In the end it has done very well and is number 1 on the charts and made about $35 million in the US which is still good numbers.
Not for a movie which cost as much as it did. It's not a flop like valerian, lone ranger or John Carter, but it was still below modest predictions.
Though I've seen an argument that's good. It will probably break even with international markets giving it a profit even with what must be a large marketing budget, but if it made oodles of money there'd probably be quick sequels, loads planned, which is rarely good for quality.
As it is it is good, it will be well received, and they'll not rush sequels.
Perfect result really. I was one of those who really, really didn't want this sequel and now we have it can't imagine ever not having it because it is a damn near perfect film.
@HYUFD Your profound ignorance of who UC is paid to, how the migration to UC will impact millions ( plural ) of in work households and refusal to engage with the politics of the impending chaos is your most stupid contribution since last week when you assumed Last Vegas was Islamic State.
Mr. Eagles, I said above, he completed the conquest of Iberia.
The fact is that Hannibal in defeat was more glorious (and alive) than Caesar in victory. To defeat Hannibal took the utter devotion and all the resources of the Roman Republic in its pomp, including numerous very skilled generals. Caesar managed to beat some barbarians in Gaul, and a predictable old man in the Civil War.
What ambush did Caesar achieve to match Cannae? What audacious march to match crossing the Alps in winter, with elephants? What battle can rank alongside Cannae?
Or let us look at vice. Which general committed genocide against people with whom he was supposed to be conducting peace talks?
Hannibal's defeat in the Second Punic War ultimately led to the wipe out of Carthage, Julius Caesar never inflicted that on his people did he?
Perhaps only as they had the foresight to deal with him expeditiously ?
Indeed. The public has little idea yet of the cuts to working tax and child tax credit that UC involves. There is going to be hell to pay when the cuts hit...
Change ? Change ? We can't have change ? I don't like change....
Like your new icon. You do realise that all we can make out is the text? ;-)
Indeed. The public has little idea yet of the cuts to working tax and child tax credit that UC involves. There is going to be hell to pay when the cuts hit...
Change ? Change ? We can't have change ? I don't like change....
Like your new icon. You do realise that all we can make out is the text? ;-)
I don't have an issue with UC per se. I have an issue with the clusterf**** of its implementation and the way it is being used to try and slip cuts under the public's radar.
If Charles chose Philip as his Regal name, would he be Philip I or Philip II?
The numbers follow the King/Queen of *England*. Example the current UK Monarch is Queen Elizabeth the second of England but the first of Scotland. No one outside of Edinburgh Castle refers to her as QE I.
To your question: when was there ever a King Philip of England?
The poll tax not everyone and especially annoyed the middle class unless they were very wealthy hence the Tory poll rating nosedive as a result, UC only affects the poor and unemployed who tend to vote Labour and longer term it will benefit them by getting more of them into employment as is already starting to occur
You don't understand that UC is impacting people in employment, including people who vote Tory.
You have stood for elected office for the Tories (and may do so again) how do think your comments would go down with the voters if you keep on bleating that UC affects people people who generally vote Labour.
The people most affected by UC are DE voters who voted for Corbyn and who longer term UC will help to enter the workplace rather than be solely reliant on benefits thus making them more likely to vote Tory than they were previously.
I don't disagree in the short term the delays in benefit payments under UC need to be tackled, which Gauke already is making progress on as he told the Tory conference but longer term UC will be a net positive
It affects one third of the working age population. Almost 8m households. Write off the political impact at your peril.
One of them is me. My wife has her own business. We are both graduates with post-Graduate professional qualifications. She is studying part-time for a Masters level qualification. We are firmly in the AB camp. We ought to be targets for Tory votes. UC may have most impact at the bottom of society. But far from exclusively.
If Charles chose Philip as his Regal name, would he be Philip I or Philip II?
The numbers follow the King/Queen of *England*. Example the current UK Monarch is Queen Elizabeth the second of England but the first of Scotland. No one outside of Edinburgh Castle refers to her as QE I.
To your question: when was there ever a King Philip of England?
PM Doesn't sound very convincing. UC helpline costs are shocking if true. If it is anything like the old DWP line, 30 mins. on hold was far from unusual.
UC is, as I have been occasionally bleating on about for months, a massive unexploded bomb under the Tories.
No it isn't, once the teething problems are ended it will end the current scandal where you can lose all your benefits from just a few hours work
Quite brilliant. Keep whistling...
No denial from you I see to that point
As I keep saying I don't have a problem with the concept, I have a problem with the cack-handed implementation. Of course there is an issue with cliff edge marginal tax rates for benefits and work.
Really, some of us our just trying to flag up a major problem that is going to cost the Tories dearly.
The poll tax not everyone and especially annoyed the middle class unless they were very wealthy hence the Tory poll rating nosedive as a result, UC only affects the poor and unemployed who tend to vote Labour and longer term it will benefit them by getting more of them into employment as is already starting to occur
I'm given to understand that around 75% of UC benefit payments go to those who are employed to bring their income to minimum standards of civil society. 2 points here, the first being that taxpayers are subsidising employers, most of whom are major companies paying out large bonuses to the senior layers of management and to shareholders, while in the meantime, not paying corporation and other taxes to the UK exchequer, (eg: Richard Branson through his Virgin Health operation who is seemingly getting sweetheart deals on buying up NHS trusts and services). The second, quite simply, if people, who are already having difficulty in budgeting, are unable to pay their rents and are evicted, who already have to decide who eats in the family or starves, because the government, who collects the taxes and decides how they are dispersed is incompetent - is this the sort of society we wish for, in the 4th. largest richest/economy in the world?
The poll tax not everyone and especially annoyed the middle class unless they were very wealthy hence the Tory poll rating nosedive as a result, UC only affects the poor and unemployed who tend to vote Labour and longer term it will benefit them by getting more of them into employment as is already starting to occur
You don't understand that UC is impacting people in employment, including people who vote Tory.
You have stood for elected office for the Tories (and may do so again) how do think your comments would go down with the voters if you keep on bleating that UC affects people people who generally vote Labour.
The people most affected by UC are DE voters who voted for Corbyn and who longer term UC will help to enter the workplace rather than be solely reliant on benefits thus making them more likely to vote Tory than they were previously.
I don't disagree in the short term the delays in benefit payments under UC need to be tackled, which Gauke already is making progress on as he told the Tory conference but longer term UC will be a net positive
It affects one third of the working age population. Almost 8m households. Write off the political impact at your peril.
If there is a recession and interest rates rise , there could also be more house re possessions due to the new changes attached to UC .Homeowners who lose their jobs applying for UC will have to wait 39 weeks (used to be 13 weeks ) for any interest payment towards their loan.Also the payment of the interest capped at 2.9% is now added to the mortgage previously it was not.In essence anyone with a mortgage and loses their jobs to sickness or redundancy, is in a worse situation than housing benefits claimants.
The poll tax not everyone and especially annoyed the middle class unless they were very wealthy hence the Tory poll rating nosedive as a result, UC only affects the poor and unemployed who tend to vote Labour and longer term it will benefit them by getting more of them into employment as is already starting to occur
Some huge assumptions there. For example, getting families to budget is not necessarily a bad idea - but forcing them to do so without help invites disaster for a large number... and that assumes a system working without problems, which is hardly the case.
The poll tax not everyone and especially annoyed the middle class unless they were very wealthy hence the Tory poll rating nosedive as a result, UC only affects the poor and unemployed who tend to vote Labour and longer term it will benefit them by getting more of them into employment as is already starting to occur
You don't understand that UC is impacting people in employment, including people who vote Tory.
You have stood for elected office for the Tories (and may do so again) how do think your comments would go down with the voters if you keep on bleating that UC affects people people who generally vote Labour.
The people most affected by UC are DE voters who voted for Corbyn and who longer term UC will help to enter the workplace rather than be solely reliant on benefits thus making them more likely to vote Tory than they were previously.
I don't disagree in the short term the delays in benefit payments under UC need to be tackled, which Gauke already is making progress on as he told the Tory conference but longer term UC will be a net positive
It affects one third of the working age population. Almost 8m households. Write off the political impact at your peril.
Most of whom will be better off longer term from UC
The poll tax not everyone and especially annoyed the middle class unless they were very wealthy hence the Tory poll rating nosedive as a result, UC only affects the poor and unemployed who tend to vote Labour and longer term it will benefit them by getting more of them into employment as is already starting to occur
You don't understand that UC is impacting people in employment, including people who vote Tory.
You have stood for elected office for the Tories (and may do so again) how do think your comments would go down with the voters if you keep on bleating that UC affects people people who generally vote Labour.
Honestly, the way the Tories are running things at the moment, I wouldn't be surprised if half the Cabinet are in fact deep sleepers for Jezza's Marxism party.
They seem determined to ensure he wins.
The tories are fecked, the country is fecked, we are all fecked. We really are.
Hard to argue with this piercing analysis of the current situation.
The poll tax not everyone and especially annoyed the middle class unless they were very wealthy hence the Tory poll rating nosedive as a result, UC only affects the poor and unemployed who tend to vote Labour and longer term it will benefit them by getting more of them into employment as is already starting to occur
You don't understand that UC is impacting people in employment, including people who vote Tory.
You have stood for elected office for the Tories (and may do so again) how do think your comments would go down with the voters if you keep on bleating that UC affects people people who generally vote Labour.
The people most affected by UC are DE voters who voted for Corbyn and who longer term UC will help to enter the workplace rather than be solely reliant on benefits thus making them more likely to vote Tory than they were previously.
I don't disagree in the short term the delays in benefit payments under UC need to be tackled, which Gauke already is making progress on as he told the Tory conference but longer term UC will be a net positive
It affects one third of the working age population. Almost 8m households. Write off the political impact at your peril.
If there is a recession and interest rates rise , there could also be more house re possessions due to the new changes attached to UC .Homeowners who lose their jobs applying for UC will have to wait 39 weeks (used to be 13 weeks ) for any interest payment towards their loan.Also the payment of the interest capped at 2.9% is now added to the mortgage previously it was not.In essence anyone with a mortgage and loses their jobs to sickness or redundancy, is in a worse situation than housing benefits claimants.
OldKingCole - isn't that just a device to give the minority that does very well from the status quo the power to block change? Would you say a political party getting 65.9% of the vote should be allowed to make any changes?
I didn’t write any changes. I referred to major changes. There’s a difference.
But, taking the point would I say that nationalisation of the railways was a major change? No
Would I say that declaring that the next Monarch will be William V, not Charles IV was major? Yes.
@HYUFD Your profound ignorance of who UC is paid to, how the migration to UC will impact millions ( plural ) of in work households and refusal to engage with the politics of the impending chaos is your most stupid contribution since last week when you assumed Last Vegas was Islamic State.
Your profound socialism and commitment to disincentivising paid work and earning more is no surprise but longer term UC will benefit recipients by ensuring those who get paid work do not lose all their benefits as a result
Dr. Foxinsox, we also came very close to having King Alfonso. He was the eldest son of Edward I, and died at the unusual age of ten (mortality was far higher in infancy but by that age sudden death was quite unexpected). This had the significantly negative effect of giving us Edward II.
The poll tax not everyone and especially annoyed the middle class unless they were very wealthy hence the Tory poll rating nosedive as a result, UC only affects the poor and unemployed who tend to vote Labour and longer term it will benefit them by getting more of them into employment as is already starting to occur
You don't understand that UC is impacting people in employment, including people who vote Tory.
You have stood for elected office for the Tories (and may do so again) how do think your comments would go down with the voters if you keep on bleating that UC affects people people who generally vote Labour.
The people most affected by UC are DE voters who voted for Corbyn and who longer term UC will help to enter the workplace rather than be solely reliant on benefits thus making them more likely to vote Tory than they were previously.
I don't disagree in the short term the delays in benefit payments under UC need to be tackled, which Gauke already is making progress on as he told the Tory conference but longer term UC will be a net positive
It affects one third of the working age population. Almost 8m households. Write off the political impact at your peril.
Most of whom will be better off longer term from UC
In the long run we are all dead as Keynes famously said.
Meantime, Tories poll numbers will be hit hard by this continued roll-out imho.
The poll tax not everyone and especially annoyed the middle class unless they were very wealthy hence the Tory poll rating nosedive as a result, UC only affects the poor and unemployed who tend to vote Labour and longer term it will benefit them by getting more of them into employment as is already starting to occur
You don't understand that UC is impacting people in employment, including people who vote Tory.
You have stood for elected office for the Tories (and may do so again) how do think your comments would go down with the voters if you keep on bleating that UC affects people people who generally vote Labour.
The people most affected by UC are DE voters who voted for Corbyn and who longer term UC will help to enter the workplace rather than be solely reliant on benefits thus making them more likely to vote Tory than they were previously.
I don't disagree in the short term the delays in benefit payments under UC need to be tackled, which Gauke already is making progress on as he told the Tory conference but longer term UC will be a net positive
It affects one third of the working age population. Almost 8m households. Write off the political impact at your peril.
If there is a recession and interest rates rise , there could also be more house re possessions due to the new changes attached to UC .Homeowners who lose their jobs applying for UC will have to wait 39 weeks (used to be 13 weeks ) for any interest payment towards their loan.Also the payment of the interest capped at 2.9% is now added to the mortgage previously it was not.In essence anyone with a mortgage and loses their jobs to sickness or redundancy, is in a worse situation than housing benefits claimants.
Interest rates will rise at some point (indeed that could spark the recession). There will be a recession at some point.
I don't know the detail - but if what you say is correct... that sounds bad.
PM Doesn't sound very convincing. UC helpline costs are shocking if true. If it is anything like the old DWP line, 30 mins. on hold was far from unusual.
UC is, as I have been occasionally bleating on about for months, a massive unexploded bomb under the Tories.
No it isn't, once the teething problems are ended it will end the current scandal where you can lose all your benefits from just a few hours work
Quite brilliant. Keep whistling...
No denial from you I see to that point
As I keep saying I don't have a problem with the concept, I have a problem with the cack-handed implementation. Of course there is an issue with cliff edge marginal tax rates for benefits and work.
Really, some of us our just trying to flag up a major problem that is going to cost the Tories dearly.
It won't cost the Tories longer term it will benefit them by ending the current benefits system which Brown geared towards socialism
The poll tax not everyone and especially annoyed the middle class unless they were very wealthy hence the Tory poll rating nosedive as a result, UC only affects the poor and unemployed who tend to vote Labour and longer term it will benefit them by getting more of them into employment as is already starting to occur
Some huge assumptions there. For example, getting families to budget is not necessarily a bad idea - but forcing them to do so without help invites disaster for a large number... and that assumes a system working without problems, which is hardly the case.
I don't have a problem with the principles of UC. I have a problem with its practice. The government appear to have had a brainstorming session with the objective of "How can we Destroy Lives", and having schemed up the very stupidest "encouragements" to work like no money for 6 weeks then had their proposal sent back as not twatty enough hence things like 55p a minute phone line.
The Tory party is quickly regathering its perception as a bunch of amoral sociopaths not just ignorant of how people live but genuinely uncaring once the evidence is presented.
The poll tax not everyone and especially annoyed the middle class unless they were very wealthy hence the Tory poll rating nosedive as a result, UC only affects the poor and unemployed who tend to vote Labour and longer term it will benefit them by getting more of them into employment as is already starting to occur
I'm given to understand that around 75% of UC benefit payments go to those who are employed to bring their income to minimum standards of civil society. 2 points here, the first being that taxpayers are subsidising employers, most of whom are major companies paying out large bonuses to the senior layers of management and to shareholders, while in the meantime, not paying corporation and other taxes to the UK exchequer, (eg: Richard Branson through his Virgin Health operation who is seemingly getting sweetheart deals on buying up NHS trusts and services). The second, quite simply, if people, who are already having difficulty in budgeting, are unable to pay their rents and are evicted, who already have to decide who eats in the family or starves, because the government, who collects the taxes and decides how they are dispersed is incompetent - is this the sort of society we wish for, in the 4th. largest richest/economy in the world?
Of course it was the Coalition who took the lowest earners put of tax unlike Brown who removed the 10p starting rate
The poll tax not everyone and especially annoyed the middle class unless they were very wealthy hence the Tory poll rating nosedive as a result, UC only affects the poor and unemployed who tend to vote Labour and longer term it will benefit them by getting more of them into employment as is already starting to occur
You don't understand that UC is impacting people in employment, including people who vote Tory.
You have stood for elected office for the Tories (and may do so again) how do think your comments would go down with the voters if you keep on bleating that UC affects people people who generally vote Labour.
The people most affected by UC are DE voters who voted for Corbyn and who longer term UC will help to enter the workplace rather than be solely reliant on benefits thus making them more likely to vote Tory than they were previously.
I don't disagree in the short term the delays in benefit payments under UC need to be tackled, which Gauke already is making progress on as he told the Tory conference but longer term UC will be a net positive
It affects one third of the working age population. Almost 8m households. Write off the political impact at your peril.
Most of whom will be better off longer term from UC
In the long run we are all dead as Keynes famously said.
Meantime, Tories poll numbers will be hit hard by this continued roll-out imho.
Absolutely wrong, the latest poll has the Tories and Labour tied despite weeks of Labour whinging on UC. Longer term it will get more people into work and early figures show more in work due to UC
Absolutely wrong, the latest poll has the Tories and Labour tied despite weeks of Labour whinging on UC. Longer term it will get more people into work and early figures show more in work due to UC
Forget about the polls, answer me this. Lets assume for a moment you are right about the long term benefits of UC. Is there any reason why in the short term it has to have such a catastrophic effect on people's lives?
Absolutely wrong, the latest poll has the Tories and Labour tied despite weeks of Labour whinging on UC. Longer term it will get more people into work and early figures show more in work due to UC
Forget about the polls, answer me this. Lets assume for a moment you are right about the long term benefits of UC. Is there any reason why in the short term it has to have such a catastrophic effect on people's lives?
As Gauke said already the average delay in payment has fallen from 6 weeks to a few days
The poll tax not everyone and especially annoyed the middle class unless they were very wealthy hence the Tory poll rating nosedive as a result, UC only affects the poor and unemployed who tend to vote Labour and longer term it will benefit them by getting more of them into employment as is already starting to occur
You don't understand that UC is impacting people in employment, including people who vote Tory.
You have stood for elected office for the Tories (and may do so again) how do think your comments would go down with the voters if you keep on bleating that UC affects people people who generally vote Labour.
The people most affected by UC are DE voters who voted for Corbyn and who longer term UC will help to enter the workplace rather than be solely reliant on benefits thus making them more likely to vote Tory than they were previously.
I don't disagree in the short term the delays in benefit payments under UC need to be tackled, which Gauke already is making progress on as he told the Tory conference but longer term UC will be a net positive
It affects one third of the working age population. Almost 8m households. Write off the political impact at your peril.
Most of whom will be better off longer term from UC
In the long run we are all dead as Keynes famously said.
Meantime, Tories poll numbers will be hit hard by this continued roll-out imho.
Absolutely wrong, the latest poll has the Tories and Labour tied despite weeks of Labour whinging on UC. Longer term it will get more people into work and early figures show more in work due to UC
We've heard how ABC1s now often vote Labour and C2DEs vote Tory, in a reversal of past patterns. How can UC be irrelevant to these Tory voters?
I've also heard the Poll Tax comment. Does it happen at about the same time as the Brex-sh-it hits the fan?
It particularly affects the new army of 'self-employed' I gather. Their entitlement to a) housing benefit, b) council tax rebate and c) working tax credit is badly affected.
A riot in Tunbridge Wells in 2019? 29 years since the last one.
I don't have a problem with the principles of UC. I have a problem with its practice. The government appear to have had a brainstorming session with the objective of "How can we Destroy Lives", and having schemed up the very stupidest "encouragements" to work like no money for 6 weeks then had their proposal sent back as not twatty enough hence things like 55p a minute phone line.
The Tory party is quickly regathering its perception as a bunch of amoral sociopaths not just ignorant of how people live but genuinely uncaring once the evidence is presented.
I am outside my comfort zone on this as I do not know enough about it but my understanding was that many people feel the basic ideas of UC are good but the whole thing was sabotaged by Osborne who saw it as a perfect opportunity for a big cut in costs/payments when IDS was saying that in the immediate term there would be a small increase in costs due to implementation.
The poll tax not everyone and especially annoyed the middle class unless they were very wealthy hence the Tory poll rating nosedive as a result, UC only affects the poor and unemployed who tend to vote Labour and longer term it will benefit them by getting more of them into employment as is already starting to occur
You don't understand that UC is impacting people in employment, including people who vote Tory.
You have stood for elected office for the Tories (and may do so again) how do think your comments would go down with the voters if you keep on bleating that UC affects people people who generally vote Labour.
The people most affected by UC are DE voters who voted for Corbyn and who longer term UC will help to enter the workplace rather than be solely reliant on benefits thus making them more likely to vote Tory than they were previously.
I don't disagree in the short term the delays in benefit payments under UC need to be tackled, which Gauke already is making progress on as he told the Tory conference but longer term UC will be a net positive
It affects one third of the working age population. Almost 8m households. Write off the political impact at your peril.
Most of whom will be better off longer term from UC
In the long run we are all dead as Keynes famously said.
Meantime, Tories poll numbers will be hit hard by this continued roll-out imho.
Absolutely wrong, the latest poll has the Tories and Labour tied despite weeks of Labour whinging on UC. Longer term it will get more people into work and early figures show more in work due to UC
We've heard how ABC1s now often vote Labour and C2DEs vote Tory, in a reversal of past patterns. How can UC be irrelevant to these Tory voters?
I've also heard the Poll Tax comment. Does it happen at about the same time as the Brex-sh-it hits the fan?
It particularly affects the new army of 'self-employed' I gather. Their entitlement to a) housing benefit, b) council tax rebate and c) working tax credit is badly affected.
A riot in Tunbridge Wells in 2019? 29 years since the last one.
C2s vote Tory DEs vote Labour.
Yet again socialists like you are defending a system which pays less the more you earn, farcical. UC ensures if you earn more you do not lose all your benefits
We've heard how ABC1s now often vote Labour and C2DEs vote Tory, in a reversal of past patterns. How can UC be irrelevant to these Tory voters?
I've also heard the Poll Tax comment. Does it happen at about the same time as the Brex-sh-it hits the fan?
It particularly affects the new army of 'self-employed' I gather. Their entitlement to a) housing benefit, b) council tax rebate and c) working tax credit is badly affected.
A riot in Tunbridge Wells in 2019? 29 years since the last one.
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C2s vote Tory DEs vote Labour.
Yet again socialists like you are defending a system which pays less the more you earn, farcical. UC ensures if you earn more you do not lose all your benefits
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If you regard 'socialist' as a blanket term of abuse, you're condemning in the process the way the NHS and systems like it are funded:
from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.
Anyway you rather missed your target if you're taking pot shots at assumed Labour members or voters. In the last 35 years I've only voted Lib.Dem or Green.
Long ago that well-known 'socialist' Geoffrey Howe suggested a negative income tax below the tax threshold, a threshold the Lib.Dems successfully raised to £11k/y. That would address the problem that a) work doesn't pay b) the poor pay an effective marginal tax rate of up to 90% (a rate that was cut for top income tax payers 40 years ago).
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Not all sequels are rubbish.
I'm sure some of them are classed as planets by NASA.
Universal Credit works on the principle that if you earn more you do not straight away lose all your benefits, thus incentivising work, a Tory principle
For example, getting families to budget is not necessarily a bad idea - but forcing them to do so without help invites disaster for a large number... and that assumes a system working without problems, which is hardly the case.
Write off the political impact at your peril.
But that doesn't mean I want another sequel.
https://twitter.com/ChiOnwurah/status/918080048414035968
To your question: when was there ever a King Philip of England?
My wife has her own business. We are both graduates with post-Graduate professional qualifications. She is studying part-time for a Masters level qualification. We are firmly in the AB camp. We ought to be targets for Tory votes. UC may have most impact at the bottom of society.
But far from exclusively.
Really, some of us our just trying to flag up a major problem that is going to cost the Tories dearly.
NEW THREAD
Meantime, Tories poll numbers will be hit hard by this continued roll-out imho.
There will be a recession at some point.
I don't know the detail - but if what you say is correct... that sounds bad.
The Tory party is quickly regathering its perception as a bunch of amoral sociopaths not just ignorant of how people live but genuinely uncaring once the evidence is presented.
Low bar...
I've also heard the Poll Tax comment. Does it happen at about the same time as the Brex-sh-it hits the fan?
It particularly affects the new army of 'self-employed' I gather. Their entitlement to a) housing benefit, b) council tax rebate and c) working tax credit is badly affected.
A riot in Tunbridge Wells in 2019? 29 years since the last one.
Is this correct?
Yet again socialists like you are defending a system which pays less the more you earn, farcical. UC ensures if you earn more you do not lose all your benefits
We've heard how ABC1s now often vote Labour and C2DEs vote Tory, in a reversal of past patterns. How can UC be irrelevant to these Tory voters?
I've also heard the Poll Tax comment. Does it happen at about the same time as the Brex-sh-it hits the fan?
It particularly affects the new army of 'self-employed' I gather. Their entitlement to a) housing benefit, b) council tax rebate and c) working tax credit is badly affected.
A riot in Tunbridge Wells in 2019? 29 years since the last one.
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C2s vote Tory DEs vote Labour.
Yet again socialists like you are defending a system which pays less the more you earn, farcical. UC ensures if you earn more you do not lose all your benefits
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If you regard 'socialist' as a blanket term of abuse, you're condemning in the process the way the NHS and systems like it are funded:
from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.
Anyway you rather missed your target if you're taking pot shots at assumed Labour members or voters. In the last 35 years I've only voted Lib.Dem or Green.
Long ago that well-known 'socialist' Geoffrey Howe suggested a negative income tax below the tax threshold, a threshold the Lib.Dems successfully raised to £11k/y. That would address the problem that a) work doesn't pay b) the poor pay an effective marginal tax rate of up to 90% (a rate that was cut for top income tax payers 40 years ago).
A basic income could do the same.