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Getting more interesting. Theresa May is clear that the two realistic options are unacceptable. Instead she will go for a "creative solution" aka "bugger if I know"0
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Beverley_C said:
Maybe you are using an American kettle - they are underpowered. We covered that this morning here on PB...welshowl said:I'm putting the kettle on so it can go whistle.
Bit dull so far this speech, hope it warms up.
Back with me cuppa. 2300W kettle. John Lewis.Beverley_C said:
Maybe you are using an American kettle - they are underpowered. We covered that this morning here on PB...welshowl said:I'm putting the kettle on so it can go whistle.
Bit dull so far this speech, hope it warms up.
Ooh - neutral court suggestion. I said that too...0 -
Control!!! A new supranational court to hold sway over us!0
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It's all a bit vague.0
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Not sure that that take us forward one iota tbhFF43 said:Getting more interesting. Theresa May is clear that the two realistic options are unacceptable. Instead she will go for a "creative solution" aka "bugger if I know"
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I think the big problems here are not only that she's basically repeating the cake-and-eat-it position of Lancaster House, which has already got short shrift from our EU friends, but also that Barnier has a very good point when he says that there simply isn't time to negotiate some new bespoke arrangement.0
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Which is what irritated and angered Neuberger so much recently.Richard_Nabavi said:So, biggish concession on UK courts taking ECJ rulings into account.
She is delegating decisions over sovereignty to the British judges as individuals.0 -
Is that right? I thought double taxation treaties are agreed between nation states, i.e. individual countries of the EU, not the EU itself.rcs1000 said:CopperSulphate said:
But the act of doing that would cause some severe problems with regard to double taxation, unless other legislation was drafted first. The problem is that this stuff is complicated.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky saying May May say that we will leave before 2019
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Fake news - she has said we are leaving the single market and customs union.surbiton said:Gone is the claim still made by ministers that in 2019 we are leaving the single market and customs union. Whatever the semantics, we now seek a transition for at least two years where we in effect remain inside that single market and the customs union.
Gone is the claim that we can tell the EU to “go whistle” when they ask us to pay up. The cabinet has made it known that it will cough up at least £20 billion for the privilege of leaving.
Gone is the assertion that freedom of movement will end when we leave. When this paper pointed out earlier this week that we would have to accept free movement as the condition of a transition, this was described as “completely delusional” by a Downing Street source. Today it is the official position of Downing Street’s occupants.
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No one doubts that a crash out to WTO would be bad for the EU. But let's be honest, an unprepared crash out to WTO would be worse for us.Richard_Nabavi said:
And nor will they.rpjs said:
As it stands, the government has eighteen months to recruit 3,000 customs officers and repaint the the M20 into a lorry park. If we just crash out it won't have had any time to do that.CopperSulphate said:
If no deal is going to be reached then it might be best to get it all over with now. What's the point of another 18 months of uncertainty (and endless remainer whinging) with the same result at the end?Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky saying May May say that we will leave before 2019
We are more dependent on EU trade than they are on UK trade. And I suspect it is easier to redirect the manufactured product they make to new markets than the bespoke services we're so good at.
Of course, if we decided on WTO as our choice of destination and spent the next two years building up to that, published our tariff schedules now, etc., then we'd probably do fine.
What would be a disaster for us would be if business spent the next 18 months working on the assumption there'll be a comprehensive FTA/multi year transitional period, and then at the last minute we crashed out to WTO.0 -
Theresa is speaking better today and does seem to have made some concessions and constructive ideas
I know the location could have been more inspring but the message is far more important than minor issues such as these
Let us see how this pans out0 -
She's proposing a new Treaty? Maybe I can see a flaw there.0
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Just checked our trendy Bodum kettle - only 1500W but it is very fast... maybe because it's not that big but it's a jug within a jug, so effectively double-glazed.welshowl said:Beverley_C said:
Maybe you are using an American kettle - they are underpowered. We covered that this morning here on PB...welshowl said:I'm putting the kettle on so it can go whistle.
Bit dull so far this speech, hope it warms up.
Back with me cuppa. 2300W kettle. John Lewis.Beverley_C said:
Maybe you are using an American kettle - they are underpowered. We covered that this morning here on PB...welshowl said:I'm putting the kettle on so it can go whistle.
Bit dull so far this speech, hope it warms up.
Ooh - neutral court suggestion. I said that too...0 -
Yes, I agree with all of that.rcs1000 said:No one doubts that a crash out to WTO would be bad for the EU. But let's be honest, an unprepared crash out to WTO would be worse for us.
We are more dependent on EU trade than they are on UK trade. And I suspect it is easier to redirect the manufactured product they make to new markets than the bespoke services we're so good at.
Of course, if we decided on WTO as our choice of destination and spent the next two years building up to that, published our tariff schedules now, etc., then we'd probably do fine.
What would be a disaster for us would be if business spent the next 18 months working on the assumption there'll be a comprehensive FTA/multi year transitional period, and then at the last minute we crashed out to WTO.0 -
*bangs cup against plate*Ishmael_Z said:"You'll be making a grave error if you kill us. There are a quarter of a million Italians in Britain. And they'll be made to suffer. Every restaurant, café, ice-cream parlour, gambling den and nightclub in London, Liverpool and Glasgow, will be smashed. Mr Davis will drive them
into the sea."
From an earlier draft of the speech.0 -
That was a bit unfortunate "we have one of the largest defence budgets in the world" shades of a threat!0
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Security, threats........blah, blah, blah.0
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Bold, creative, dynamic, comprehensive and ambitious relationship. She has got the buzzwords so that's dealt with. There is the small matter that all our treaties with the EU will lapse in 18 months. Nothing to worry about...0
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May is making absolutely clear that it will be impossible for the UK to negotiate FTAs until its future relationship with the EU is settled.0
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On topic. How could the Lib Dems gain the seat from Labour in Oadby when there was a swing to Labour? Because the figures used are the top votes for the parties in 2015 in a multi-seat ward. If you take the average vote in that election the changes in vote share are LD (+3.3), Lab (+1.1), and Con (-4.4). So the swing was 1.1 to Lib Dem.0
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Saying we will be out on the 29th March 20190
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So not before 29/3/19 then Telegraph!0
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Definitely one to go straight to the highlights of.0
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Nah that's the Greek restaurants not the Italians.Tissue_Price said:
*bangs cup against plate*Ishmael_Z said:"You'll be making a grave error if you kill us. There are a quarter of a million Italians in Britain. And they'll be made to suffer. Every restaurant, café, ice-cream parlour, gambling den and nightclub in London, Liverpool and Glasgow, will be smashed. Mr Davis will drive them
into the sea."
From an earlier draft of the speech.0 -
If you can find anyGideonWise said:Definitely one to go straight to the highlights of.
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Of course that is right. You can hold some preliminary discussions to scope out the issues, but, yes, until both sides know what the EU relationship is going to be, you can't get very far.SouthamObserver said:May is making absolutely clear that it will be impossible for the UK to negotiate FTAs until its future relationship with the EU is settled.
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Transition period coming up0
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Mamma miaTissue_Price said:
*bangs cup against plate*Ishmael_Z said:"You'll be making a grave error if you kill us. There are a quarter of a million Italians in Britain. And they'll be made to suffer. Every restaurant, café, ice-cream parlour, gambling den and nightclub in London, Liverpool and Glasgow, will be smashed. Mr Davis will drive them
into the sea."
From an earlier draft of the speech.0 -
There's posh a double glazed kettle!Benpointer said:
Just checked our trendy Bodum kettle - only 1500W but it is very fast... maybe because it's not that big but it's a jug within a jug, so effectively double-glazed.welshowl said:Beverley_C said:
Maybe you are using an American kettle - they are underpowered. We covered that this morning here on PB...welshowl said:I'm putting the kettle on so it can go whistle.
Bit dull so far this speech, hope it warms up.
Back with me cuppa. 2300W kettle. John Lewis.Beverley_C said:
Maybe you are using an American kettle - they are underpowered. We covered that this morning here on PB...welshowl said:I'm putting the kettle on so it can go whistle.
Bit dull so far this speech, hope it warms up.
Ooh - neutral court suggestion. I said that too...
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Open-ended transition??0
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So cut it then and give £350m per week more to the NHS.Benpointer said:That was a bit unfortunate "we have one of the largest defence budgets in the world" shades of a threat!
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'The new regime'? That shouldn't have made the final draft.0
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I have a 3kW rapid boil kettle. Only a tenner from Argos. 0
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That's my point. Local mini cab firms have these problems all the time. But because it's one driver out of 100, TfL renews their license without problem. (Rather than 100 out of 30,000.)rpjs said:
Surely it is reasonable for Swiss Cottage Cars to expect all its competitors, including Uber, to be held to comply with local regulations to the same extent it is?rcs1000 said:
Does Uber have any worse record than, say, Swiss Cottage Cars? I suspect not. But Swiss Cottage Cars probably has 100 drivers on its radio circuit, and Uber has 30,000. In any selection of 30,000 men aged 18 to 50, you will have bad apples. Small sample sizes mean you'd perhaps hear of one story in five years about something bad happening at Swiss Cottage Cars, against 100 a year at Uber.Sandpit said:
And how many of those ladies realise that Uber have been failing to adequately carry out CRB checks and vetting & barring regulations? Regulations that exist to stop young ladies having a very bad end to their night out.SeanT said:
Every young woman I know loves Uber.Sandpit said:
This young lady disagrees:SeanT said:Here's the petition to save Uber.
I predict this will hit 100,000
https://www.change.org/p/save-your-uber-in-london
And the people who will be most annoyed will be women, especially young women. They LOVE Uber. It's cheap and makes them feel safe - much safer than normal cabs.
Sadiq Khan could lose squillions of voters here. Good.
https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/911174965982097408
And these are the reasons for the decision:
https://twitter.com/ThomasWPenny/status/911199823289872385
Some random tweets:
ttps://twitter.com/clarelouised/status/911213437375705088
ttps://twitter.com/parkeraaamy/status/911213214482026497
ttps://twitter.com/mrs_backstreet/status/911212982042071045
ttps://twitter.com/LallinaManenti/status/911212674876395521
It doesn't mean Uber does a worse job vetting its drivers, or that it's more dangerous to ride in an Uber. It means that is simply a larger number of cars and drivers.
The requirements to be a mini cab driver and an Uber driver are identical. Uber is a mini cab firm.
But because of its success, and the fact that it is hammering black cabs, it is being targeted.0 -
Free movement during implementation but a registration system will be in place - two year period0
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We're staying in!!!0
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For ever
Edit: 2yrs - dream on.0 -
Game over May. Get out.0
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Yes - but surprisingly functional as well as meeting Mrs. Pointer's aesthetic criteria.welshowl said:
There's posh a double glazed kettle!Benpointer said:
Just checked our trendy Bodum kettle - only 1500W but it is very fast... maybe because it's not that big but it's a jug within a jug, so effectively double-glazed.welshowl said:Beverley_C said:
Maybe you are using an American kettle - they are underpowered. We covered that this morning here on PB...welshowl said:I'm putting the kettle on so it can go whistle.
Bit dull so far this speech, hope it warms up.
Back with me cuppa. 2300W kettle. John Lewis.Beverley_C said:
Maybe you are using an American kettle - they are underpowered. We covered that this morning here on PB...welshowl said:I'm putting the kettle on so it can go whistle.
Bit dull so far this speech, hope it warms up.
Ooh - neutral court suggestion. I said that too...0 -
WhyBirra_Moretti said:Game over May. Get out.
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+1!surbiton said:
So cut it then and give £350m per week more to the NHS.Benpointer said:That was a bit unfortunate "we have one of the largest defence budgets in the world" shades of a threat!
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come on....how much $$$!!!!???0
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Sounds like we're going to have a whip round
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Two years will become 3 years, then 5 years, then 10 years so on an so forth.
We're staying in, we're staying in.0 -
So Liam Fox will not be agreeing any! We'll get out first ones in around 2026/7, if we're lucky. If we get the relationship with the EU May wants there'll be no deal with the US.Richard_Nabavi said:
Of course that is right. You can hold some preliminary discussions to scope out the issues, but, yes, until both sides know what the EU relationship is going to be, you can't get very far.SouthamObserver said:May is making absolutely clear that it will be impossible for the UK to negotiate FTAs until its future relationship with the EU is settled.
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Yes, one of those funny leaves. Everything will remain until 2021.TGOHF said:
Fake news - she has said we are leaving the single market and customs union.surbiton said:Gone is the claim still made by ministers that in 2019 we are leaving the single market and customs union. Whatever the semantics, we now seek a transition for at least two years where we in effect remain inside that single market and the customs union.
Gone is the claim that we can tell the EU to “go whistle” when they ask us to pay up. The cabinet has made it known that it will cough up at least £20 billion for the privilege of leaving.
Gone is the assertion that freedom of movement will end when we leave. When this paper pointed out earlier this week that we would have to accept free movement as the condition of a transition, this was described as “completely delusional” by a Downing Street source. Today it is the official position of Downing Street’s occupants.
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They've definitely broken the rules in many ways in many countries.rcs1000 said:
That's my point. Local mini cab firms have these problems all the time. But because it's one driver out of 100, TfL renews their license without problem. (Rather than 100 out of 30,000.)rpjs said:
Surely it is reasonable for Swiss Cottage Cars to expect all its competitors, including Uber, to be held to comply with local regulations to the same extent it is?rcs1000 said:
Does Uber have any worse record than, say, Swiss Cottage Cars? I suspect not. But Swiss Cottage Cars probably has 100 drivers on its radio circuit, and Uber has 30,000. In any selection of 30,000 men aged 18 to 50, you will have bad apples. Small sample sizes mean you'd perhaps hear of one story in five years about something bad happening at Swiss Cottage Cars, against 100 a year at Uber.Sandpit said:
And how many of those ladies realise that Uber have been failing to adequately carry out CRB checks and vetting & barring regulations? Regulations that exist to stop young ladies having a very bad end to their night out.SeanT said:
Every young woman I know loves Uber.Sandpit said:
This young lady disagrees:SeanT said:Here's the petition to save Uber.
I predict this will hit 100,000
https://www.change.org/p/save-your-uber-in-london
And the people who will be most annoyed will be women, especially young women. They LOVE Uber. It's cheap and makes them feel safe - much safer than normal cabs.
Sadiq Khan could lose squillions of voters here. Good.
https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/911174965982097408
And these are the reasons for the decision:
https://twitter.com/ThomasWPenny/status/911199823289872385
Some random tweets:
ttps://twitter.com/clarelouised/status/911213437375705088
ttps://twitter.com/parkeraaamy/status/911213214482026497
ttps://twitter.com/mrs_backstreet/status/911212982042071045
ttps://twitter.com/LallinaManenti/status/911212674876395521
It doesn't mean Uber does a worse job vetting its drivers, or that it's more dangerous to ride in an Uber. It means that is simply a larger number of cars and drivers.
The requirements to be a mini cab driver and an Uber driver are identical. Uber is a mini cab firm.
But because of its success, and the fact that it is hammering black cabs, it is being targeted.
And success is a funny way of describing a company that has lost more money than any other in history.0 -
Mrs Owl's aesthetic criteria are by far the driver of purchase choice rather than wattage greeness or even glazing!Benpointer said:
Yes - but surprisingly functional as well as meeting Mrs. Pointer's aesthetic criteria.welshowl said:
There's posh a double glazed kettle!Benpointer said:
Just checked our trendy Bodum kettle - only 1500W but it is very fast... maybe because it's not that big but it's a jug within a jug, so effectively double-glazed.welshowl said:Beverley_C said:
Maybe you are using an American kettle - they are underpowered. We covered that this morning here on PB...welshowl said:I'm putting the kettle on so it can go whistle.
Bit dull so far this speech, hope it warms up.
Back with me cuppa. 2300W kettle. John Lewis.Beverley_C said:
Maybe you are using an American kettle - they are underpowered. We covered that this morning here on PB...welshowl said:I'm putting the kettle on so it can go whistle.
Bit dull so far this speech, hope it warms up.
Ooh - neutral court suggestion. I said that too...0 -
Yes, Liam Fox will be tied up for years, I'm afraid. Try not to shed too many tears for him.SouthamObserver said:So Liam Fox will not be agreeing any! We'll get out first ones in around 2026/7, if we're lucky. If we get the relationship with the EU May wants there'll be no deal with the US.
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Britain's future is bright. The future is orange!0
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@williamglenn beers (or perhaps something cheeky from the left bank) are on you.0
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This all sounds like seceding from the United States to " take back control " then opting for the status of Puerto Rico.0
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I kind of like it. Reality coming into view. I like Bernard Jenkins' view that we will pay £20bn each year to "help" the EU countries.TheScreamingEagles said:Two years will become 3 years, then 5 years, then 10 years so on an so forth.
We're staying in, we're staying in.0 -
You've clearly never seen the film then.welshowl said:
Nah that's the Greek restaurants not the Italians.Tissue_Price said:
*bangs cup against plate*Ishmael_Z said:"You'll be making a grave error if you kill us. There are a quarter of a million Italians in Britain. And they'll be made to suffer. Every restaurant, café, ice-cream parlour, gambling den and nightclub in London, Liverpool and Glasgow, will be smashed. Mr Davis will drive them
into the sea."
From an earlier draft of the speech.0 -
To become an Uber driver, just as to become a Swiss Cottage driver, you need:JosiasJessop said:The relevant allegations appear to be that Uber are not vetting its drivers well enough, or reacting well enough to reported incidents. If Swiss Cottage Cars has 100 drivers, it is easy for management to get to know them and hopefully weed out bad apples. It is probably impossible for Uber to get to know the 30,000 drivers.
It is very difficult to predict that someone with a clean record will commit a crime. It is somewhat easier to predict that someone with a long criminal record may commit future crimes. So the key things are to vet new drivers, and then, when someone with a clean record is accused of something, to react in a way that is fair to both accused and accuser.
It seems Uber are not doing this.
Having said that, I do wonder if Swiss Cottage Cabs or the black cabs are being treated to a different standard over this.
- commercial vehicle insurance
- a private hire license
- a car
There is no difference. (And to get a private hire license you need to go to TfL who performs the criminal record check.)
Now; do some people get a private hire license, and then find themselves convicted of an offence and then forget to tell Uber (or Swiss Cottage Cars)?
Yes. Does it happen with any greater regularity with Uber than with other mini cab firms that get their licenses renews by TfL? I doubt it very much.0 -
You're on.TOPPING said:@williamglenn beers (or perhaps something cheeky from the left bank) are on you.
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Bit slow today. It's the Italian job innit!rpjs said:
You've clearly never seen the film then.welshowl said:
Nah that's the Greek restaurants not the Italians.Tissue_Price said:
*bangs cup against plate*Ishmael_Z said:"You'll be making a grave error if you kill us. There are a quarter of a million Italians in Britain. And they'll be made to suffer. Every restaurant, café, ice-cream parlour, gambling den and nightclub in London, Liverpool and Glasgow, will be smashed. Mr Davis will drive them
into the sea."
From an earlier draft of the speech.0 -
£20bn each year? - sounds like a bargain, given it's currently only £10bn pasurbiton said:
I kind of like it. Reality coming into view. I like Bernard Jenkins' view that we will pay £20bn each year to "help" the EU countries.TheScreamingEagles said:Two years will become 3 years, then 5 years, then 10 years so on an so forth.
We're staying in, we're staying in.0 -
So 2yrs formally takes us to PM Corbyn.
Oh my days.0 -
At the end of the day, what she is proposing is a 4 year Article 50 period instead of 2 years.0
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May has delivered this speech poorly and has not said much beyond signalling a few necessary concessions, but I can't help feeling that the spirit is the one that should have been employed from the start.0
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Is that it? I don't want to be wilfully obtuse, but this raises more questions than answers.0
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Yeah, which has a scene of the inmates at Bridger's prison banging their metal cups against plates when the news of the Job being pulled off arrives.welshowl said:
Bit slow today. It's the Italian job innit!rpjs said:
You've clearly never seen the film then.welshowl said:
Nah that's the Greek restaurants not the Italians.Tissue_Price said:
*bangs cup against plate*Ishmael_Z said:"You'll be making a grave error if you kill us. There are a quarter of a million Italians in Britain. And they'll be made to suffer. Every restaurant, café, ice-cream parlour, gambling den and nightclub in London, Liverpool and Glasgow, will be smashed. Mr Davis will drive them
into the sea."
From an earlier draft of the speech.0 -
Nah, the next election will be in 2022.TOPPING said:So 2yrs formally takes us to PM Corbyn.
Oh my days.0 -
It may have been £20bn in total in 2 years.Benpointer said:
£20bn each year? - sounds like a bargain, given it's currently only £10bn pasurbiton said:
I kind of like it. Reality coming into view. I like Bernard Jenkins' view that we will pay £20bn each year to "help" the EU countries.TheScreamingEagles said:Two years will become 3 years, then 5 years, then 10 years so on an so forth.
We're staying in, we're staying in.0 -
So you've won your bet with SeanT?williamglenn said:
You're on.TOPPING said:@williamglenn beers (or perhaps something cheeky from the left bank) are on you.
Congrats.0 -
Did she forget to read out the bit where she was supposed to tell us what the final deal, as opposed to the transitional arrangement, might look like?0
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"Implementation period" is the new "transition period".surbiton said:At the end of the day, what she is proposing is a 4 year Article 50 period instead of 2 years.
Sounds great.
Cept we're not quite sure what we're implementing and that is exactly what the, er, implementation period is there to agree.
Hmm - logic 1.01 retake pls Tezza.0 -
With Noel Coward acknowledging the crowd?rpjs said:
Yeah, which has a scene of the inmates at Bridger's prison banging their metal cups against plates when the news of the Job being pulled off arrives.welshowl said:
Bit slow today. It's the Italian job innit!rpjs said:
You've clearly never seen the film then.welshowl said:
Nah that's the Greek restaurants not the Italians.Tissue_Price said:
*bangs cup against plate*Ishmael_Z said:"You'll be making a grave error if you kill us. There are a quarter of a million Italians in Britain. And they'll be made to suffer. Every restaurant, café, ice-cream parlour, gambling den and nightclub in London, Liverpool and Glasgow, will be smashed. Mr Davis will drive them
into the sea."
From an earlier draft of the speech.0 -
In 20 years time, online petitions asking to join the EU.YellowSubmarine said:This all sounds like seceding from the United States to " take back control " then opting for the status of Puerto Rico.
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I thought the justification for the election was to clear space for Brexit before the next election? Or am I wrong?0
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Tezza has ice cream parlours in her constituency. Well, knock me down with a feather.0
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Indeed. A 4 year A50 period where in the last 2 years we've no Commissioner, no MEPs, no seat on the Council of Ministers or EUCO. It's taxation without representation.surbiton said:At the end of the day, what she is proposing is a 4 year Article 50 period instead of 2 years.
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She was better today and certainly has put forward more detailSouthamObserver said:May has delivered this speech poorly and has not said much beyond signalling a few concessions, but I can't help feeling that the spirit is the one that should have been employed from the start.
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yes: 2019 + 2yrs = beginning of campaigning.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah, the next election will be in 2022.TOPPING said:So 2yrs formally takes us to PM Corbyn.
Oh my days.0 -
This is a good series on Uber's financials
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/11/can-uber-ever-deliver-part-one-understanding-ubers-bleak-operating-economics.html0 -
"some of my best friends are Italian...."-1
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What final deal? Transition forever!!Richard_Nabavi said:Did she forget to read out the bit where she was supposed to tell us what the final deal, as opposed to the transitional arrangement, might look like?
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Her ice cream brings all the boys to the yard.old_labour said:Tezza has ice cream parlours in her constituency. Well, knock me down with a feather.
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Yes.Richard_Nabavi said:Did she forget to read out the bit where she was supposed to tell us what the final deal, as opposed to the transitional arrangement, might look like?
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Theresa in response to Laura K stating we will be out on the 29th March 2019 so the transition period will be just that - not re-joining0
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When it might have meant something and influenced subsequent events.SouthamObserver said:May has delivered this speech poorly and has not said much beyond signalling a few necessary concessions, but I can't help feeling that the spirit is the one that should have been employed from the start.
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dixiedean said:
Her ice cream brings all the boys to the yard.old_labour said:Tezza has ice cream parlours in her constituency. Well, knock me down with a feather.
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The Cabinet still cannot agree that.Richard_Nabavi said:Did she forget to read out the bit where she was supposed to tell us what the final deal, as opposed to the transitional arrangement, might look like?
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She said it was going to be better than the Canada or Norway arrangements.Richard_Nabavi said:Did she forget to read out the bit where she was supposed to tell us what the final deal, as opposed to the transitional arrangement, might look like?
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She said that there would have to be a guarantee that the transition will be time limited, according to the Guardian live blog.Benpointer said:
What final deal? Transition forever!!Richard_Nabavi said:Did she forget to read out the bit where she was supposed to tell us what the final deal, as opposed to the transitional arrangement, might look like?
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More like blue (with yellow stars)old_labour said:Britain's future is bright. The future is orange!
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The Italians are lovely family friendly people. My family love going to ItalyTOPPING said:"some of my best friends are Italian...."
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That fell of the Cabinet table!Richard_Nabavi said:Did she forget to read out the bit where she was supposed to tell us what the final deal, as opposed to the transitional arrangement, might look like?
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No Global Trading Power then?
Alas. Still, glad Renaissance got a mention.0 -
Alistair said:
This is a good series on Uber's financials
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/11/can-uber-ever-deliver-part-one-understanding-ubers-bleak-operating-economics.html
I was about to share the same!Alistair said:This is a good series on Uber's financials
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/11/can-uber-ever-deliver-part-one-understanding-ubers-bleak-operating-economics.html
I think it's worth noting as well that as a private company uber can be selective about what it releases. It's not unreasonable to assume we are getting a very positive spin - and even then as the series makes clear - the numbers aren't good.0 -
So will the ECJ be arbiter from March 2019? If so then I'm sure people will tell us we haven't left.
We will leave but everything stays the same = not leaving. It makes no sense.
As @dixiedean says it's Schrodinger's Brexit.
What will the status be for those two years?0 -
That speech also confirmed that the EU holds all the big cards.0
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Ah Canada Plus Plus then.OblitusSumMe said:
She said it was going to be better than the Canada or Norway arrangements.Richard_Nabavi said:Did she forget to read out the bit where she was supposed to tell us what the final deal, as opposed to the transitional arrangement, might look like?
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FFS it is obvious that WTO is the only way we can actually get out of this hellish organisation.
They obviously won't give us a decent deal, so she needs to grow a pair and get on with it.0 -
Can someone explain this to me ? The transition will last until the end of March 2021. One year before the next GE. Because one year before a GE and 4 years into a minority government we'll be in a *much* stronger position to get a great final deal. *Snorts*0
