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Park on Peterborough (Lab defence) Result: Labour 1,713 (50% unchanged on last time), Conservative 1,375 (40% +5% on last time), United Kingdom Independence Party 176 (5% -3% on last time), Liberal Democrat 109 (3% +1% on last time), Green Party 83 (2% -2% on last time) Labour HOLD with a majority of 338 (10%) on a swing from Lab to Con of 2.5%

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JosiasJessop

Thirst.

CarlottaVance

Second! like Remain & Corbyn....

Philip_Thompson

FPT

williamglenn said:

TonyE said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/maelysdervenn/status/898492173246746625

The term is not 'recreate' - its 'copy'.

So long as the two parties wish the agreement to continue, it can simply be copied and lodged with the WTO.

Take back control of the photocopier, and then petition third countries to continue to deal with us as if we were in the EU?

Where it is appropriate yes. Why on earth not?

For many of these "treaties" they are simply acceptance of global standards which we need to add our signature to.

You'd think from listening to some people that the idea of new countries is impossible. Should Timor-Leste (aka East Timor) still be part of Indonesia because god forbid they have to sign treaties on their own otherwise?

Sean_F

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

williamglenn said:

TonyE said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/maelysdervenn/status/898492173246746625

The term is not 'recreate' - its 'copy'.

So long as the two parties wish the agreement to continue, it can simply be copied and lodged with the WTO.

Take back control of the photocopier, and then petition third countries to continue to deal with us as if we were in the EU?

Where it is appropriate yes. Why on earth not?

For many of these "treaties" they are simply acceptance of global standards which we need to add our signature to.

You'd think from listening to some people that the idea of new countries is impossible. Should Timor-Leste (aka East Timor) still be part of Indonesia because god forbid they have to sign treaties on their own otherwise?

Dozens of new countries have come into existence since 1918. How do they manage?

Scott_P

Philip_Thompson said:

For many of these "treaties" they are simply acceptance of global standards which we need to add our signature to.

And for many of them the ECJ is the arbiter.

Oh...

Philip_Thompson

Scott_P said:

Philip_Thompson said:

For many of these "treaties" they are simply acceptance of global standards which we need to add our signature to.

And for many of them the ECJ is the arbiter.

Oh...

Really the ECJ is the arbiter between the EU and third parties? Sounds a bit one-sided. Can you please name which ones that is the case for.

Those can be the ones we don't photocopy if it doesn't suit us.

stodge

Worth mentioning perhaps the Conservative vote share rose in every contest as did the LDs (where contested) and Labour lost ground in only one seat.

Terrible for UKIP whose electoral and political disintegration continues. I don't know why they didn't hold a big party on July 1st 2016 and wind up the party then and there.

bigjohnowls

Scott_P said:

Philip_Thompson said:

For many of these "treaties" they are simply acceptance of global standards which we need to add our signature to.

And for many of them the ECJ is the arbiter.

Oh...

And our PM doesnt know the difference between ECJ ECHR according to tweeeeeeter in chief

stodge

Another interesting piece on housing:

http://www.publicfinance.co.uk/news/2017/08/housing-groups-fill-gaps-left-grenfell-inquiry?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_term=

I'm sure those "Lefty" bastions - the Chartered Institute for Housing and the National Housing Federation - won't allow partisan rhetoric to intrude.

Nigelb

Trump, combining two of his favourite memes, apparently has his own, fake civil war monument... on one of his golf courses, naturally:
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/25/us/politics/in-renovation-of-golf-club-donald-trump-also-dressed-up-history.html

tlg86

Also on housing, I recently came across this press release by the Halifax:

https://tinyurl.com/z4xxmha

I know we're living and (unfortunately) working longer, but this can only go so far:

As house prices for a typical first-time buyer home have risen, there has been a growing trend towards mortgage terms longer than the more traditional 25-year term. In 2006, two-thirds (64%) of first-time buyers had a mortgage term of between five and 25 years, whilst the remaining 36% were over 25 years.

In 2016, this mix has markedly reversed, with 60% of mortgages at a term of 25 years or more, while the five and 25-year mortgage terms have fallen to 40%.

In 2016, 28% of all first-time buyers with a mortgage opted for a 30 to 35-year term, a share that has grown sharply from 11% in 2006. On the other hand, the share of 20 to 25-year mortgage term has fallen from 53% to 28% during the same period. The proportion accounted for by 25 to 30-year terms has also grown from 22% to 28%.

Allan

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

williamglenn said:

TonyE said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/maelysdervenn/status/898492173246746625

The term is not 'recreate' - its 'copy'.

So long as the two parties wish the agreement to continue, it can simply be copied and lodged with the WTO.

Take back control of the photocopier, and then petition third countries to continue to deal with us as if we were in the EU?

For many of these "treaties" they are simply acceptance of global standards which we need to add our signature to.

Far too sensible for some folk.

Philip_Thompson

tlg86 said:

Also on housing, I recently came across this press release by the Halifax:

https://tinyurl.com/z4xxmha

I know we're living and (unfortunately) working longer, but this can only go so far:

As house prices for a typical first-time buyer home have risen, there has been a growing trend towards mortgage terms longer than the more traditional 25-year term. In 2006, two-thirds (64%) of first-time buyers had a mortgage term of between five and 25 years, whilst the remaining 36% were over 25 years.

In 2016, this mix has markedly reversed, with 60% of mortgages at a term of 25 years or more, while the five and 25-year mortgage terms have fallen to 40%.

In 2016, 28% of all first-time buyers with a mortgage opted for a 30 to 35-year term, a share that has grown sharply from 11% in 2006. On the other hand, the share of 20 to 25-year mortgage term has fallen from 53% to 28% during the same period. The proportion accounted for by 25 to 30-year terms has also grown from 22% to 28%.

Very badly written piece as far as the pedant in me is concerned.

The first paragraph is clear in the split "between five and 25 years" (so a 25 year term would be included here) and "over 25 years".

The second and third paragraphs are not clear. "25 years or more" should include 25 year terms, as should "five and 25-year mortgage terms".

Similarly "20 to 25-year" and "25 to 30" should both include 25.

TonyE

Scott_P said:

Philip_Thompson said:

For many of these "treaties" they are simply acceptance of global standards which we need to add our signature to.

And for many of them the ECJ is the arbiter.

Oh...

This might be informative on this issue:
www.reei.org/index.php/revista/num12/archivos/RamirezRobles(reei12).pdf

I hope that link works, if not, search under its title:
POLITICAL & QUASI-ADJUDICATIVE
DISPUTE SETTLEMENT MODELS
IN EUROPEAN UNION FREE TRADE AGREEMENTS

williamglenn

Sean_F said:

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

williamglenn said:

TonyE said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/maelysdervenn/status/898492173246746625

The term is not 'recreate' - its 'copy'.

So long as the two parties wish the agreement to continue, it can simply be copied and lodged with the WTO.

Take back control of the photocopier, and then petition third countries to continue to deal with us as if we were in the EU?

Where it is appropriate yes. Why on earth not?

For many of these "treaties" they are simply acceptance of global standards which we need to add our signature to.

You'd think from listening to some people that the idea of new countries is impossible. Should Timor-Leste (aka East Timor) still be part of Indonesia because god forbid they have to sign treaties on their own otherwise?

Dozens of new countries have come into existence since 1918. How do they manage?

Is Brexit going to create a new sovereign state? If it were, the process would be much more straightforward.

tlg86

Philip_Thompson said:

tlg86 said:

Also on housing, I recently came across this press release by the Halifax:

https://tinyurl.com/z4xxmha

I know we're living and (unfortunately) working longer, but this can only go so far:

As house prices for a typical first-time buyer home have risen, there has been a growing trend towards mortgage terms longer than the more traditional 25-year term. In 2006, two-thirds (64%) of first-time buyers had a mortgage term of between five and 25 years, whilst the remaining 36% were over 25 years.

In 2016, this mix has markedly reversed, with 60% of mortgages at a term of 25 years or more, while the five and 25-year mortgage terms have fallen to 40%.

In 2016, 28% of all first-time buyers with a mortgage opted for a 30 to 35-year term, a share that has grown sharply from 11% in 2006. On the other hand, the share of 20 to 25-year mortgage term has fallen from 53% to 28% during the same period. The proportion accounted for by 25 to 30-year terms has also grown from 22% to 28%.

Very badly written piece as far as the pedant in me is concerned.

The first paragraph is clear in the split "between five and 25 years" (so a 25 year term would be included here) and "over 25 years".

The second and third paragraphs are not clear. "25 years or more" should include 25 year terms, as should "five and 25-year mortgage terms".

Similarly "20 to 25-year" and "25 to 30" should both include 25.

True, but I don't think they've deliberately written it poorly to change the message.

GeoffM

Cook's batting horribly slowly. Strike rate of only 55.

Need him out quickly so that Stokes can up the tempo.

Slightly more seriously - bat forever or declare?

TGOHF

Looks like another incident in Finland.

Scott_P

https://twitter.com/gabriellahope_/status/898542915324186624

not_on_fire

Sean_F said:

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

williamglenn said:

TonyE said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/maelysdervenn/status/898492173246746625

The term is not 'recreate' - its 'copy'.

So long as the two parties wish the agreement to continue, it can simply be copied and lodged with the WTO.

Take back control of the photocopier, and then petition third countries to continue to deal with us as if we were in the EU?

Where it is appropriate yes. Why on earth not?

For many of these "treaties" they are simply acceptance of global standards which we need to add our signature to.

You'd think from listening to some people that the idea of new countries is impossible. Should Timor-Leste (aka East Timor) still be part of Indonesia because god forbid they have to sign treaties on their own otherwise?

Dozens of new countries have come into existence since 1918. How do they manage?

In the case of the new European ones, by joining the EU

ThreeQuidder

GeoffM said:

Cook's batting horribly slowly. Strike rate of only 55.

Need him out quickly so that Stokes can up the tempo.

Slightly more seriously - bat forever or declare?

If it wasn't going to rain this evening I would say declare half an hour after tea, let them have 90 minutes of twilight with the new ball.

ThreeQuidder

GeoffM said:

Cook's batting horribly slowly. Strike rate of only 55.

That's what he does... http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/11728.html?class=1;orderby=batted_score;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

Scott_P

deleted

TonyE

TGOHF said:

Looks like another incident in Finland.

Reports so far suggest two attackers armed with knives, at least five victims, maybe more than one fatality. No reports so far on the perpetrators or motives.

GeoffM

not_on_fire said:

Sean_F said:

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

williamglenn said:

TonyE said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/maelysdervenn/status/898492173246746625

The term is not 'recreate' - its 'copy'.

So long as the two parties wish the agreement to continue, it can simply be copied and lodged with the WTO.

Take back control of the photocopier, and then petition third countries to continue to deal with us as if we were in the EU?

Where it is appropriate yes. Why on earth not?

For many of these "treaties" they are simply acceptance of global standards which we need to add our signature to.

You'd think from listening to some people that the idea of new countries is impossible. Should Timor-Leste (aka East Timor) still be part of Indonesia because god forbid they have to sign treaties on their own otherwise?

Dozens of new countries have come into existence since 1918. How do they manage?

In the case of the new European ones, by joining the EU

Ironic, really, that some countries gain their freedom and then promptly surrender it again to the next dominating force available.

CarlottaVance

TonyE said:

Scott_P said:

Philip_Thompson said:

For many of these "treaties" they are simply acceptance of global standards which we need to add our signature to.

And for many of them the ECJ is the arbiter.

Oh...

This might be informative on this issue:
www.reei.org/index.php/revista/num12/archivos/RamirezRobles(reei12).pdf

I hope that link works, if not, search under its title:
POLITICAL & QUASI-ADJUDICATIVE
DISPUTE SETTLEMENT MODELS
IN EUROPEAN UNION FREE TRADE AGREEMENTS

Grand total number of mentions of the ECJ - 2 - in the footnotes on page 10 of a 34 page document......:

This article refers to the European Union although the European Community (EC) or the EC and its Member States (MS) have legal personality for signing agreements with third countries. In the ERTA Case (22/70) the ECJ expresses the competence of the Community to sign agreements with third countries. In the Opinion (1/76) the ECJ has confirmed the competence of the Community in signing agreements with third States.

Scott_P

Donald Trump is “hostile to trade” and “cannot magic up a trade deal” with the UK, an adviser to Liam Fox has said, pouring cold water on Brexiters’ enthusiasm for the US president.

Pippa Malmgren — a former White House official who Mr Fox, the UK international trade secretary, has described as his “political soulmate” — said the US president “does not know how to operate the US government”.

Theresa May, UK prime minister, has gone to great lengths to court Mr Trump, inviting him on a state visit and only offering muted criticism of his controversial stances on immigration, Muslims and white supremacists.

https://www.ft.com/content/83e6bdda-8372-11e7-94e2-c5b903247afd

ThreeQuidder

GeoffM said:

not_on_fire said:

Sean_F said:

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

williamglenn said:

TonyE said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/maelysdervenn/status/898492173246746625

The term is not 'recreate' - its 'copy'.

So long as the two parties wish the agreement to continue, it can simply be copied and lodged with the WTO.

Take back control of the photocopier, and then petition third countries to continue to deal with us as if we were in the EU?

Where it is appropriate yes. Why on earth not?

For many of these "treaties" they are simply acceptance of global standards which we need to add our signature to.

You'd think from listening to some people that the idea of new countries is impossible. Should Timor-Leste (aka East Timor) still be part of Indonesia because god forbid they have to sign treaties on their own otherwise?

Dozens of new countries have come into existence since 1918. How do they manage?

In the case of the new European ones, by joining the EU

Ironic, really, that some countries gain their freedom and then promptly surrender it again to the next dominating force available.

Every country that lies between Germany and Russia has always only had the choice of domination by Germany or domination by Russia...

GeoffM

TonyE said:

TGOHF said:

Looks like another incident in Finland.

Reports so far suggest two attackers armed with knives, at least five victims, maybe more than one fatality. No reports so far on the perpetrators or motives.

@TerrorEvents says Several people stabbed. Assailant shot in the leg and detained. Police are asking to avoid Puutori-Market Square area.

Philip_Thompson

tlg86 said:

Philip_Thompson said:

tlg86 said:

Also on housing, I recently came across this press release by the Halifax:

https://tinyurl.com/z4xxmha

I know we're living and (unfortunately) working longer, but this can only go so far:

As house prices for a typical first-time buyer home have risen, there has been a growing trend towards mortgage terms longer than the more traditional 25-year term. In 2006, two-thirds (64%) of first-time buyers had a mortgage term of between five and 25 years, whilst the remaining 36% were over 25 years.

In 2016, this mix has markedly reversed, with 60% of mortgages at a term of 25 years or more, while the five and 25-year mortgage terms have fallen to 40%.

In 2016, 28% of all first-time buyers with a mortgage opted for a 30 to 35-year term, a share that has grown sharply from 11% in 2006. On the other hand, the share of 20 to 25-year mortgage term has fallen from 53% to 28% during the same period. The proportion accounted for by 25 to 30-year terms has also grown from 22% to 28%.

Very badly written piece as far as the pedant in me is concerned.

The first paragraph is clear in the split "between five and 25 years" (so a 25 year term would be included here) and "over 25 years".

The second and third paragraphs are not clear. "25 years or more" should include 25 year terms, as should "five and 25-year mortgage terms".

Similarly "20 to 25-year" and "25 to 30" should both include 25.

True, but I don't think they've deliberately written it poorly to change the message.

Indeed it is just a bugbear of mine. I'm going to guess "25 year or more" should have been "over 25 years" and "25 to 30" should have been "over 25 to 30" but we shouldn't need to guess.

Philip_Thompson

williamglenn said:

Sean_F said:

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

williamglenn said:

TonyE said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/maelysdervenn/status/898492173246746625

The term is not 'recreate' - its 'copy'.

So long as the two parties wish the agreement to continue, it can simply be copied and lodged with the WTO.

Take back control of the photocopier, and then petition third countries to continue to deal with us as if we were in the EU?

Where it is appropriate yes. Why on earth not?

For many of these "treaties" they are simply acceptance of global standards which we need to add our signature to.

You'd think from listening to some people that the idea of new countries is impossible. Should Timor-Leste (aka East Timor) still be part of Indonesia because god forbid they have to sign treaties on their own otherwise?

Dozens of new countries have come into existence since 1918. How do they manage?

Is Brexit going to create a new sovereign state? If it were, the process would be much more straightforward.

You are a parody account and I claim £5.

ThreeQuidder

Philip_Thompson said:

tlg86 said:

Philip_Thompson said:

tlg86 said:

Also on housing, I recently came across this press release by the Halifax:

https://tinyurl.com/z4xxmha

I know we're living and (unfortunately) working longer, but this can only go so far:

As house prices for a typical first-time buyer home have risen, there has been a growing trend towards mortgage terms longer than the more traditional 25-year term. In 2006, two-thirds (64%) of first-time buyers had a mortgage term of between five and 25 years, whilst the remaining 36% were over 25 years.

In 2016, this mix has markedly reversed, with 60% of mortgages at a term of 25 years or more, while the five and 25-year mortgage terms have fallen to 40%.

In 2016, 28% of all first-time buyers with a mortgage opted for a 30 to 35-year term, a share that has grown sharply from 11% in 2006. On the other hand, the share of 20 to 25-year mortgage term has fallen from 53% to 28% during the same period. The proportion accounted for by 25 to 30-year terms has also grown from 22% to 28%.

Very badly written piece as far as the pedant in me is concerned.

The first paragraph is clear in the split "between five and 25 years" (so a 25 year term would be included here) and "over 25 years".

The second and third paragraphs are not clear. "25 years or more" should include 25 year terms, as should "five and 25-year mortgage terms".

Similarly "20 to 25-year" and "25 to 30" should both include 25.

True, but I don't think they've deliberately written it poorly to change the message.

Indeed it is just a bugbear of mine. I'm going to guess "25 year or more" should have been "over 25 years" and "25 to 30" should have been "over 25 to 30" but we shouldn't need to guess.

If only there was appropriate use of these symbols: <, ≤, ≥, >.

GeoffM

ThreeQuidder said:

GeoffM said:

not_on_fire said:

Sean_F said:

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

williamglenn said:

TonyE said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/maelysdervenn/status/898492173246746625

The term is not 'recreate' - its 'copy'.

So long as the two parties wish the agreement to continue, it can simply be copied and lodged with the WTO.

Take back control of the photocopier, and then petition third countries to continue to deal with us as if we were in the EU?

Where it is appropriate yes. Why on earth not?

For many of these "treaties" they are simply acceptance of global standards which we need to add our signature to.

You'd think from listening to some people that the idea of new countries is impossible. Should Timor-Leste (aka East Timor) still be part of Indonesia because god forbid they have to sign treaties on their own otherwise?

Dozens of new countries have come into existence since 1918. How do they manage?

In the case of the new European ones, by joining the EU

Ironic, really, that some countries gain their freedom and then promptly surrender it again to the next dominating force available.

Every country that lies between Germany and Russia has always only had the choice of domination by Germany or domination by Russia...

I'd go "recent history" rather than "always" otherwise Mr Dancer will hit you with his history wiffle stick ... but point very much accepted, yes, that in certain areas you're forever cursed to be the drum and not the drummer.

ThreeQuidder

GeoffM said:

ThreeQuidder said:

GeoffM said:

not_on_fire said:

Sean_F said:

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

williamglenn said:

TonyE said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/maelysdervenn/status/898492173246746625

The term is not 'recreate' - its 'copy'.

So long as the two parties wish the agreement to continue, it can simply be copied and lodged with the WTO.

Take back control of the photocopier, and then petition third countries to continue to deal with us as if we were in the EU?

Where it is appropriate yes. Why on earth not?

For many of these "treaties" they are simply acceptance of global standards which we need to add our signature to.

You'd think from listening to some people that the idea of new countries is impossible. Should Timor-Leste (aka East Timor) still be part of Indonesia because god forbid they have to sign treaties on their own otherwise?

Dozens of new countries have come into existence since 1918. How do they manage?

In the case of the new European ones, by joining the EU

Ironic, really, that some countries gain their freedom and then promptly surrender it again to the next dominating force available.

Every country that lies between Germany and Russia has always only had the choice of domination by Germany or domination by Russia...

I'd go "recent history" rather than "always" otherwise Mr Dancer will hit you with his history wiffle stick ... but point very much accepted, yes, that in certain areas you're forever cursed to be the drum and not the drummer.

Well, certainly since the 13th century.

619

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/898534941528539136

GeoffM

Scott_P said:

Donald Trump is “hostile to trade” and “cannot magic up a trade deal” with the UK, an adviser to Liam Fox has said, pouring cold water on Brexiters’ enthusiasm for the US president.

Pippa Malmgren — a former White House official who Mr Fox, the UK international trade secretary, has described as his “political soulmate” — said the US president “does not know how to operate the US government”.

Theresa May, UK prime minister, has gone to great lengths to court Mr Trump, inviting him on a state visit and only offering muted criticism of his controversial stances on immigration, Muslims and white supremacists.

https://www.ft.com/content/83e6bdda-8372-11e7-94e2-c5b903247afd

By "former White House official" they actually mean for a different President entirely. That is deliberately phrased to make it sound like a Trump official gone rogue.

She's nobody of any consequence but her father is a much more interesting chap:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Harald_Malmgren

FrancisUrquhart

Videos on twitter now with attacker alleged to be shouting Allahu Akbar.

Scott_P

GeoffM said:

She's nobody of any consequence

Play the woman, not the ball.

Right, got it.

Scott_P

619 said:

SNIP

As others have noted, apologise is too little too late.

He should call on him to resign

GeoffM

ThreeQuidder said:

GeoffM said:

ThreeQuidder said:

GeoffM said:

not_on_fire said:

Sean_F said:

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

williamglenn said:

TonyE said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/maelysdervenn/status/898492173246746625

The term is not 'recreate' - its 'copy'.

So long as the two parties wish the agreement to continue, it can simply be copied and lodged with the WTO.

Take back control of the photocopier, and then petition third countries to continue to deal with us as if we were in the EU?

Where it is appropriate yes. Why on earth not?

For many of these "treaties" they are simply acceptance of global standards which we need to add our signature to.

You'd think from listening to some people that the idea of new countries is impossible. Should Timor-Leste (aka East Timor) still be part of Indonesia because god forbid they have to sign treaties on their own otherwise?

Dozens of new countries have come into existence since 1918. How do they manage?

In the case of the new European ones, by joining the EU

Ironic, really, that some countries gain their freedom and then promptly surrender it again to the next dominating force available.

Every country that lies between Germany and Russia has always only had the choice of domination by Germany or domination by Russia...

I'd go "recent history" rather than "always" otherwise Mr Dancer will hit you with his history wiffle stick ... but point very much accepted, yes, that in certain areas you're forever cursed to be the drum and not the drummer.

Well, certainly since the 13th century.

@Morris_Dancer regards the 13th Century, historically speaking, as A Week Last Tuesday - so my warning about his reaction still stands.

That wiki page looks really interesting. Thanks a lot - back in a few mins!

GeoffM

Scott_P said:

GeoffM said:

She's nobody of any consequence

Play the woman, not the ball.

Right, got it.

Compare the two biographies. He's by far the more interesting character.

Morris_Dancer

Good afternoon, anyone.

Cheers for this, Mr. Hayfield.

Is it wrong that I enjoy spotting mistakes in history books? Arthur of Brittany, 12 at his death? Methinks not.

Anyway, Germany's not even two centuries old. If memory serves (Vanished Kingdoms, by Norman Davies), Poland/Livonia used to have the fealty of certain Germanic nobles.

Scott_P

https://twitter.com/acosta/status/898540879631179776

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Urquhart, impossible. I've seen Leanne Woods'[sp] Twitter feed. Surely he shouted "I support low taxes and a small state"?

Edited extra bit added an R to Mr. Urquhat's name.

felix

FrancisUrquhart said:

Videos on twitter now with attacker alleged to be shouting Allahu Akbar.

Clearly another alt-right terror attack.

Allan

FrancisUrquhart said:

Videos on twitter now with attacker alleged to be shouting Allahu Akbar.

Another chap with mental health problems?

CornishJohn

Scott_P said:

GeoffM said:

She's nobody of any consequence

Play the woman, not the ball.

Right, got it.

The ball you were playing was entirely based on the status of the woman. There is no new content there to address.

FrancisUrquhart

Reports from local media of several deaths.

FrancisUrquhart

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Urquhart, impossible. I've seen Leanne Woods'[sp] Twitter feed. Surely he shouted "I support low taxes and a small state"?

Edited extra bit added an R to Mr. Urquhat's name.

One thing ISIS definitely aren't are low tax....they absolutely love taxing the shop keepers in the caliphate.

Scott_P

CornishJohn said:

The ball you were playing was entirely based on the status of the woman. There is no new content there to address.

Ms Malmgren, an American who has been a non-executive director at the UK Department for International Trade since November, said this week that Mr Trump was “less and less [influential] every day — he says something and then nothing happens”.

“In the political arena, people are already looking beyond him,” she told the Financial Times in an interview.


Ummm, okay...

dixiedean

Would I be wrong to think the Windies could rustle up a better bowling attack from the various commentary boxes than the dressing room?

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Urquhart, well, quite.

Hope nobody dies in Finland.

FrancisUrquhart

dixiedean said:

Would I be wrong to think the Windies could rustle up a better bowling attack from the various commentary boxes than the dressing room?

England have a better West Indies qualified bowler than their current attack...their bowling coach, Otis Gibson.

rottenborough

619 said:

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/898534941528539136

Long past time for the 25th Amendment...

FrancisUrquhart

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Urquhart, well, quite.

Hope nobody dies in Finland.

Well there are photos of a covered body...that ain't a good sign.

GeoffM

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Urquhart, well, quite.

Hope nobody dies in Finland.

Without wishing to descend into a Scott'n'Paste retweeting frenzy, @TerrorEvents has just offered us the update Initial reports: 1 man, 5 women injured.

Benpointer

619 said:

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/898534941528539136

Wow! Assuming that is not fake news, well done Mitt! - those are the words of a decent person.

CarlottaVance

https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/898554847766618116

Scottish Incompetents' Party?

dixiedean

FrancisUrquhart said:

dixiedean said:

Would I be wrong to think the Windies could rustle up a better bowling attack from the various commentary boxes than the dressing room?

England have a better West Indies qualified bowler than their current attack...their bowling coach, Otis Gibson.

Indeed. With Ian Bishop, Holding and big Curtley Ambrose we would be all out by now even if they are in their 50's and 60's.

CarlottaVance

Benpointer said:

619 said:

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/898534941528539136

Wow! Assuming that is not fake news, well done Mitt! - those are the words of a decent person.

Arnie had a great video earlier too....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/arnold-schwarzenegger-trump-nazis_us_5996524ce4b0a2608a6b68ac

619

Benpointer said:

619 said:

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/898534941528539136

Wow! Assuming that is not fake news, well done Mitt! - those are the words of a decent person.

Nope def fom Mitr

Barnesian

619 said:

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/898534941528539136

Wow. Powerful stuff.

ThreeQuidder

Cook is the 24th player (3rd for England) to have four Test double hundreds.

GeoffM

Benpointer said:

619 said:

twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/898534941528539136

Wow! Assuming that is not fake news, well done Mitt! - those are the words of a decent person.

Do you really think so?

If anyone on the right had said "Our soldiers are watching" they'd be accused of threatening a military coup. Palin was accused of worse for printing a map with a cross-hair on it.

Romney's too wet, lefty and squishy to have the balls for anything so he gets a free ride.

Richard_Nabavi

FrancisUrquhart said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Urquhart, impossible. I've seen Leanne Woods'[sp] Twitter feed. Surely he shouted "I support low taxes and a small state"?

Edited extra bit added an R to Mr. Urquhat's name.

One thing ISIS definitely aren't are low tax....they absolutely love taxing the shop keepers in the caliphate.

They're not sound on deregulation either.

FrancisUrquhart

Richard_Nabavi said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Urquhart, impossible. I've seen Leanne Woods'[sp] Twitter feed. Surely he shouted "I support low taxes and a small state"?

Edited extra bit added an R to Mr. Urquhat's name.

One thing ISIS definitely aren't are low tax....they absolutely love taxing the shop keepers in the caliphate.

They're not sound on deregulation either.

They are definitely climate change deniers and don't give a crap about the environment though, so must be part of hard right (the greens world view)

GeoffM

Richard_Nabavi said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Urquhart, impossible. I've seen Leanne Woods'[sp] Twitter feed. Surely he shouted "I support low taxes and a small state"?

Edited extra bit added an R to Mr. Urquhat's name.

One thing ISIS definitely aren't are low tax....they absolutely love taxing the shop keepers in the caliphate.

They're not sound on deregulation either.

They are very keen on deregulating gays from rooftops.

Benpointer

GeoffM said:

Scott_P said:

GeoffM said:

She's nobody of any consequence

Play the woman, not the ball.

Right, got it.

Compare the two biographies. He's by far the more interesting character.

I agree Geoff, he does appear to be more interesting. But he's not really said anything relevant to this debate as far as I can see, so he's a bit of red-herring really.

PClipp

stodge said:

Worth mentioning perhaps the Conservative vote share rose in every contest as did the LDs (where contested) and Labour lost ground in only one seat.

Terrible for UKIP whose electoral and political disintegration continues. I don't know why they didn't hold a big party on July 1st 2016 and wind up the party then and there.

Perhaps because they didn`t think they could rely on the Tories to go ahead with a really Hard Brexit, and wreck the economy of the country while doing so.

Perhaps they thought the Tories couldn`t be that stupid.

They were wrong, of course.

Richard_Nabavi

FrancisUrquhart said:

They are definitely climate change deniers and don't give a crap about the environment though, so must be part of hard right (the greens world view)

True, although they do like pulling down statues.

AndyJS

Here are the results of the Rwandan election:

Paul Kagame: 98.79%
Philippe Mpayimana: 0.73%
Frank Habineza: 0.48%

Turnout was 98.15%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_presidential_election,_2017

GeoffM

FrancisUrquhart said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Urquhart, impossible. I've seen Leanne Woods'[sp] Twitter feed. Surely he shouted "I support low taxes and a small state"?

Edited extra bit added an R to Mr. Urquhat's name.

One thing ISIS definitely aren't are low tax....they absolutely love taxing the shop keepers in the caliphate.

They're not sound on deregulation either.

They are definitely climate change deniers and don't give a crap about the environment though, so must be part of hard right (the greens world view)

"Definitely"?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that AGW isn't a regular topic at their press conferences.

A quick search of The Google for "ISIS AGW Press Release" doesn't get me anything relevant either.

williamglenn

Benpointer said:

GeoffM said:

Scott_P said:

GeoffM said:

She's nobody of any consequence

Play the woman, not the ball.

Right, got it.

Compare the two biographies. He's by far the more interesting character.

I agree Geoff, he does appear to be more interesting. But he's not really said anything relevant to this debate as far as I can see, so he's a bit of red-herring really.

Harald Malmgren has made quite a few comments on Brexit. He thinks May has made a fatal mistake in agreeing to negotiate with the European Commission and expects the Commission to end up being sidelined.

His views on US policy are probably more interesting. This is a good interview on Trump:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ZF9xciOns

Scott_P

https://twitter.com/kalpenn/status/898547257062174724

GeoffM

AndyJS said:

Here are the results of the Rwandan election:

Paul Kagame: 98.79%
Philippe Mpayimana: 0.73%
Frank Habineza: 0.48%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_presidential_election,_2017

Early on there was another candidate, Diane Rwigara, a 35 year old businesswoman.

72 hours after she announced she was in the race, nude photographs of her were leaked. I looked on the internet, in the pure spirit of PB scientific research, for copies .... to see if they would have been politically damaging.

And to be fair, it turned out they were nothing to be ashamed of at all.

williamglenn

Now even Guido Fawkes is arguing for the UK to be dissolved. The tectonic plates are shifting...

https://unherd.com/the-feed-blog/bigger-isnt-always-better/

Tykejohnno

With some recent local elections and some recent polls,is it just me or is Theresa pulling things round ;-)

619

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/898515484244574208

ThreeQuidder

AndyJS said:

Here are the results of the Rwandan election:

Paul Kagame: 98.79%
Philippe Mpayimana: 0.73%
Frank Habineza: 0.48%

Turnout was 98.15%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_presidential_election,_2017

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that perhaps Rwanda isn't a fully-functioning multi-party democracy?

FrancisUrquhart

Liverpool have rejected a third bid from Barcelona for Philippe Coutinho - believed to be in the region of £114m.

Absolutely insane amount for him.

GeoffM

Scott_P said:

twitter.com/kalpenn/status/898547257062174724

All that we're learning here that the US have got just as many pointless quangos, retirement reward cushy numbers, salaried back-pats and overpaid non-jobs on advisory councils as the UK has.

logical_song

Tykejohnno said:

With some recent local elections and some recent polls,is it just me or is Theresa pulling things round ;-)

It's just you.

Tykejohnno

FrancisUrquhart said:

Liverpool have rejected a third bid from Barcelona for Philippe Coutinho - believed to be in the region of £114m.

Absolutely insane amount for him.

I think liverpool will sell and playing hardball just for liverpool fans,why are liverpool in for Lanzini of west ham - replacement ?

Scott_P

https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/898563158956179456

619

Tykejohnno said:

With some recent local elections and some recent polls,is it just me or is Theresa pulling things round ;-)

Yes.

She should call another election asap.

Tykejohnno

logical_song said:

Tykejohnno said:

With some recent local elections and some recent polls,is it just me or is Theresa pulling things round ;-)

It's just you.

Thought so ;-)

ThreeQuidder

Tykejohnno said:

With some recent local elections and some recent polls,is it just me or is Theresa pulling things round ;-)

Judging anything from PCBEs and August opinion polls is courageous...

Stark_Dawning

GeoffM said:

Scott_P said:

twitter.com/kalpenn/status/898547257062174724

All that we're learning here that the US have got just as many pointless quangos, retirement reward cushy numbers, salaried back-pats and overpaid non-jobs on advisory councils as the UK has.

Moreover it was set up by that pinko socialist Ronald Reagan. (Luvvie actor - who was he trying to fool?)

GeoffM

williamglenn said:

Now even Guido Fawkes is arguing for the UK to be dissolved. The tectonic plates are shifting...

https://unherd.com/the-feed-blog/bigger-isnt-always-better/

I know Paul Staines isn't exactly thin, but he'd probably take offence at being described as a tectonic plate.

619

GeoffM said:

Benpointer said:

619 said:

twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/898534941528539136

Wow! Assuming that is not fake news, well done Mitt! - those are the words of a decent person.

Do you really think so?

If anyone on the right had said "Our soldiers are watching" they'd be accused of threatening a military coup. Palin was accused of worse for printing a map with a cross-hair on it.

Romney's too wet, lefty and squishy to have the balls for anything so he gets a free ride.

'If anyone on the right had said '

Someone on the right did. A Former Republican presidential candidate .

the two Bush's said similar. They wishy washy leftys as well?

MarkHopkins

GeoffM said:

williamglenn said:

Now even Guido Fawkes is arguing for the UK to be dissolved. The tectonic plates are shifting...

https://unherd.com/the-feed-blog/bigger-isnt-always-better/

I know Paul Staines isn't exactly thin, but he'd probably take offence at being described as a tectonic plate.

Does he cause earthquakes?

GeoffM

619 said:

GeoffM said:

Benpointer said:

619 said:

twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/898534941528539136

Wow! Assuming that is not fake news, well done Mitt! - those are the words of a decent person.

Do you really think so?

If anyone on the right had said "Our soldiers are watching" they'd be accused of threatening a military coup. Palin was accused of worse for printing a map with a cross-hair on it.

Romney's too wet, lefty and squishy to have the balls for anything so he gets a free ride.

'If anyone on the right had said '

Someone on the right did. A Former Republican presidential candidate .

the two Bush's said similar. They wishy washy leftys as well?

Hell, yes.

GeoffM

MarkHopkins said:

GeoffM said:

williamglenn said:

Now even Guido Fawkes is arguing for the UK to be dissolved. The tectonic plates are shifting...

https://unherd.com/the-feed-blog/bigger-isnt-always-better/

I know Paul Staines isn't exactly thin, but he'd probably take offence at being described as a tectonic plate.

Does he cause earthquakes?

You'd have to verify with williamglenn as the original description was his ... but my guess is that Staines neither causes earthquakes or has volcanoes around his edges.

ThreeQuidder

GeoffM said:

williamglenn said:

Now even Guido Fawkes is arguing for the UK to be dissolved. The tectonic plates are shifting...

https://unherd.com/the-feed-blog/bigger-isnt-always-better/

I know Paul Staines isn't exactly thin, but he'd probably take offence at being described as a tectonic plate.

The last sentence is a QTWTAIN.

rottenborough

AndyJS said:

Here are the results of the Rwandan election:

Paul Kagame: 98.79%
Philippe Mpayimana: 0.73%
Frank Habineza: 0.48%

Turnout was 98.15%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_presidential_election,_2017

Better numbers than Trump? Surely not.

Morris_Dancer

New thread.

CarlottaVance

New Thread

GeoffM

Stark_Dawning said:

GeoffM said:

Scott_P said:

twitter.com/kalpenn/status/898547257062174724

All that we're learning here that the US have got just as many pointless quangos, retirement reward cushy numbers, salaried back-pats and overpaid non-jobs on advisory councils as the UK has.

Moreover it was set up by that pinko socialist Ronald Reagan. (Luvvie actor - who was he trying to fool?)

Yes, they're all as bad as each other at this sort of govt funded non-job creation scheme.

"Advisory boards" and the like should be time-limited. Perhaps term limited to expire when their creator moves on? Or date limited from the time of creation.