Given that there is at least one non EEA country in the EHIC scheme your point seems rather dumb.
Not really, perhaps you should read up further on this.
The current UK offer is much less than the one non EEA country offers re EHIC.
I would suggest you read up instead since your posts seem ludicrously ill informed these days. Each issue is taken individually. The EHIC does not relate to freedom of movement and no threat was made against Switzerland regarding the EHIC when it put limits on freedom of movement. Nor does Liechtenstein which has sever limits on freedom of movement have any exclusions under the EHIC. The current UK position is actually exactly the same as that offered under the EHIC. Indeed the UK position is that they will continue to offer EHIC cover unchanged for all EHIC members visiting Britain. Indeed the Guardian, that bastion of Brexit, highlighted this as one of the bits of 'good news' about the British position.
Of course this is just another of those dumb Europhile scare stories that you love so much.
Another sign of the desperation becoming apparent amongst the Remaniac side.
Instead of whipping yourself into a frenzy, think about this, my good friends at Slaughter and May analysed this for my firm this week.
Now, who am I going to trust, one of the leading law firms in the country, who have impartially analysed this based on DExEU's output, or you?
That would depend on who has written the advice.
As I said to Mr Royale, their advice/analysis/predictions have been spot on so far.
I don't know where the idea has emerged from that your gender is something you just choose on a whim.
If you believe in personal freedom then you should be supporting this.
I dislike narcissism.
There is nothing narcissistic about transgender decisions.
Gender dysphoria is a true medical condition. If people transition, they should be treated as a member of the sex they have transitioned to.
I object to the idea that gender is simply a choice, or that people can have no gender.
Exactly.
If truth be told it's not the very small true number of transgendered (or gender ambiguous) people I'm bothered by - it's the fashionable cause hitchers, and the professionally outraged, who use such moves as political levers to chip away at social norms to further their own agenda.
Given that there is at least one non EEA country in the EHIC scheme your point seems rather dumb.
Not really, perhaps you should read up further on this.
The current UK offer is much less than the one non EEA country offers re EHIC.
I would suggest you read up instead since your posts seem ludicrously ill informed these days. Each issue is taken individually. The EHIC does not relate to freedom of movement and no threat was made against Switzerland regarding the EHIC when it put limits on freedom of movement. Nor does Liechtenstein which has sever limits on freedom of movement have any exclusions under the EHIC. The current UK position is actually exactly the same as that offered under the EHIC. Indeed the UK position is that they will continue to offer EHIC cover unchanged for all EHIC members visiting Britain. Indeed the Guardian, that bastion of Brexit, highlighted this as one of the bits of 'good news' about the British position.
Of course this is just another of those dumb Europhile scare stories that you love so much.
Another sign of the desperation becoming apparent amongst the Remaniac side.
Instead of whipping yourself into a frenzy, think about this, my good friends at Slaughter and May analysed this for my firm this week.
Now, who am I going to trust, one of the leading law firms in the country, who have impartially analysed this based on DExEU's output, or you?
I trust your friends at Slaughter and May about as far as I trust you on these issues which is no where near as far as I could throw you.
The British position is absolutely clear and you have utterly misrepresented it. The Guardian get it but you apparently don't. Unsurprising given your antipathy to any news that might show something other than disaster when it comes to Brexit. It is sad to see how far you have fallen in your ignorance.
Given that there is at least one non EEA country in the EHIC scheme your point seems rather dumb.
Not really, perhaps you should read up further on this.
The current UK offer is much less than the one non EEA country offers re EHIC.
I would suggest you read up instead since your posts seem ludicrously ill informed these days. Each issue is taken individually. The EHIC does not relate to freedom of movement and no threat was made against Switzerland regarding the EHIC when it put limits on freedom of movement. Nor does Liechtenstein which has sever limits on freedom of movement have any exclusions under the EHIC. The current UK position is actually exactly the same as that offered under the EHIC. Indeed the UK position is that they will continue to offer EHIC cover unchanged for all EHIC members visiting Britain. Indeed the Guardian, that bastion of Brexit, highlighted this as one of the bits of 'good news' about the British position.
Of course this is just another of those dumb Europhile scare stories that you love so much.
Another sign of the desperation becoming apparent amongst the Remaniac side.
Instead of whipping yourself into a frenzy, think about this, my good friends at Slaughter and May analysed this for my firm this week.
Now, who am I going to trust, one of the leading law firms in the country, who have impartially analysed this based on DExEU's output, or you?
I would carefully consider both, and certainly not dismiss Richard's view.
I know plenty of large legal firms who offer sloppy service and advice that doesn't justify the fee.
Theirs and others analysis on Brexit since June 23rd has been spot on so far.
90% of my day job is focused on Brexit, so I'm heavily invested in making Brexit a success.
I don't think so.
And you have no monopoly on either concern or knowledge of Brexit. I am heavily involved in UK major projects and very aware of what Government is doing, and its effects.
On the other hand, we are all well aware of the personal inconvenience Brexit has caused to your career and workpatterns, since before the vote itself, take that into account when reading your posts.
Several MPs have told the Observer that they are desperate for a “Where have you been all my life?” candidate to re-energise the party, which was stunned by losing its majority at the last election. While most MPs are anxious to avoid a leadership contest until Britain’s Brexit negotiations have been completed, some believe that there is a danger of Davis supporters provoking a battle this autumn, around the time of the party’s conference. One senior MP said: “Everyone knows that we have a problem to address and most people hope it will be done in a timely and decent way.”
However, the jockeying for position has caused such anger that senior party figures are already certain they could quickly gain more than 100 signatures in support of a candidate to run against Davis and avoid a coronation.
My worry is that it ends with all forms of gender identification being taboo, to the point where uttering phrases like "ladies and gentlemen" becomes to be considered as bad as using the N word.
The "ladies and gentlemen" greeting on Tube announcements is to be scrapped, Transport for London (TfL) has announced.
London Underground staff have been told to say "hello everyone" in an effort to become more gender-neutral.
TfL said the move was to ensure all passengers felt "welcome".
Theirs and others analysis on Brexit since June 23rd has been spot on so far.
90% of my day job is focused on Brexit, so I'm heavily invested in making Brexit a success.
You specifically said that the British offer on the EHIC was worse than the current position. That was an outright lie.
"David Davis said the UK Government is seeking a plan to allow Britons to continue accessing cut-price healthcare in EU countries.
The cabinet minister said the UK wants a continuation of the existing European Health Insurance Card system, which would also allow EU citizens in this country to access the NHS.
Mr Davis even said that if agreement on a continuation of the system with the EU cannot be agreed, then the UK would provide one “unilaterally”.
So even if the EU do not reciprocate the UK would continue to provide emergency care to EU visitors as if the EHIC system was still in place.
That is from another bastion of Brexit, The Independent.
Theirs and others analysis on Brexit since June 23rd has been spot on so far.
90% of my day job is focused on Brexit, so I'm heavily invested in making Brexit a success.
You specifically said that the British offer on the EHIC was worse than the current position. That was an outright lie.
"David Davis said the UK Government is seeking a plan to allow Britons to continue accessing cut-price healthcare in EU countries.
The cabinet minister said the UK wants a continuation of the existing European Health Insurance Card system, which would also allow EU citizens in this country to access the NHS.
Mr Davis even said that if agreement on a continuation of the system with the EU cannot be agreed, then the UK would provide one “unilaterally”.
So even if the EU do not reciprocate the UK would continue to provide emergency care to EU visitors as if the EHIC system was still in place.
That is from another bastion of Brexit, The Independent.
Theirs and others analysis on Brexit since June 23rd has been spot on so far.
90% of my day job is focused on Brexit, so I'm heavily invested in making Brexit a success.
You specifically said that the British offer on the EHIC was worse than the current position. That was an outright lie.
"David Davis said the UK Government is seeking a plan to allow Britons to continue accessing cut-price healthcare in EU countries.
The cabinet minister said the UK wants a continuation of the existing European Health Insurance Card system, which would also allow EU citizens in this country to access the NHS.
Mr Davis even said that if agreement on a continuation of the system with the EU cannot be agreed, then the UK would provide one “unilaterally”.
So even if the EU do not reciprocate the UK would continue to provide emergency care to EU visitors as if the EHIC system was still in place.
That is from another bastion of Brexit, The Independent.
Theirs and others analysis on Brexit since June 23rd has been spot on so far.
90% of my day job is focused on Brexit, so I'm heavily invested in making Brexit a success.
You specifically said that the British offer on the EHIC was worse than the current position. That was an outright lie.
"David Davis said the UK Government is seeking a plan to allow Britons to continue accessing cut-price healthcare in EU countries.
The cabinet minister said the UK wants a continuation of the existing European Health Insurance Card system, which would also allow EU citizens in this country to access the NHS.
Mr Davis even said that if agreement on a continuation of the system with the EU cannot be agreed, then the UK would provide one “unilaterally”.
So even if the EU do not reciprocate the UK would continue to provide emergency care to EU visitors as if the EHIC system was still in place.
That is from another bastion of Brexit, The Independent.
That is not what you said or what we are arguing about. You specifically said the UK offer was worse than the current EHIC situation. That was an outright lie. Pointing to EU statements about what they would offer is meaningless as the discussion is the UK offer.
You were wrong and now can't bring yourself to admit it.
Theirs and others analysis on Brexit since June 23rd has been spot on so far.
90% of my day job is focused on Brexit, so I'm heavily invested in making Brexit a success.
You specifically said that the British offer on the EHIC was worse than the current position. That was an outright lie.
"David Davis said the UK Government is seeking a plan to allow Britons to continue accessing cut-price healthcare in EU countries.
The cabinet minister said the UK wants a continuation of the existing European Health Insurance Card system, which would also allow EU citizens in this country to access the NHS.
Mr Davis even said that if agreement on a continuation of the system with the EU cannot be agreed, then the UK would provide one “unilaterally”.
So even if the EU do not reciprocate the UK would continue to provide emergency care to EU visitors as if the EHIC system was still in place.
That is from another bastion of Brexit, The Independent.
Theirs and others analysis on Brexit since June 23rd has been spot on so far.
90% of my day job is focused on Brexit, so I'm heavily invested in making Brexit a success.
You specifically said that the British offer on the EHIC was worse than the current position. That was an outright lie.
"David Davis said the UK Government is seeking a plan to allow Britons to continue accessing cut-price healthcare in EU countries.
The cabinet minister said the UK wants a continuation of the existing European Health Insurance Card system, which would also allow EU citizens in this country to access the NHS.
Mr Davis even said that if agreement on a continuation of the system with the EU cannot be agreed, then the UK would provide one “unilaterally”.
So even if the EU do not reciprocate the UK would continue to provide emergency care to EU visitors as if the EHIC system was still in place.
That is from another bastion of Brexit, The Independent.
That is not what you said or what we are arguing about. You specifically said the UK offer was worse than the current EHIC situation. That was an outright lie. Pointing to EU statements about what they would offer is meaningless as the discussion is the UK offer.
You were wrong and now can't bring yourself to admit it.
Oh Lord, I'm holding a report here which has been independently produced that says otherwise and this is what the telegraph says.
A senior EU official told The Telegraph that the British offer, as it stands, meant that a German citizen living in Britain and moving away for a period of time would lose rights guaranteed by the agreement.
The British offer has a two-year time limit for an EU citizen to be away from Britain before losing the rights in the deal.
The UK offer is worse than the current situation.
I suppose we can't trust that bastion of EU federalism, The Daily Telegraph.
Theirs and others analysis on Brexit since June 23rd has been spot on so far.
90% of my day job is focused on Brexit, so I'm heavily invested in making Brexit a success.
You specifically said that the British offer on the EHIC was worse than the current position. That was an outright lie.
"David Davis said the UK Government is seeking a plan to allow Britons to continue accessing cut-price healthcare in EU countries.
The cabinet minister said the UK wants a continuation of the existing European Health Insurance Card system, which would also allow EU citizens in this country to access the NHS.
Mr Davis even said that if agreement on a continuation of the system with the EU cannot be agreed, then the UK would provide one “unilaterally”.
So even if the EU do not reciprocate the UK would continue to provide emergency care to EU visitors as if the EHIC system was still in place.
That is from another bastion of Brexit, The Independent.
"He indicated the idea would be included as the Government publishes its paper on EU citizens’ rights on Monday."
So was it?
Yes. Next question?
No, the position paper just says "the UK will seek an ongoing arrangement akin to the EHIC scheme as part of negotiations on our future arrangements with the EU".
Theirs and others analysis on Brexit since June 23rd has been spot on so far.
90% of my day job is focused on Brexit, so I'm heavily invested in making Brexit a success.
You specifically said that the British offer on the EHIC was worse than the current position. That was an outright lie.
"David Davis said the UK Government is seeking a plan to allow Britons to continue accessing cut-price healthcare in EU countries.
The cabinet minister said the UK wants a continuation of the existing European Health Insurance Card system, which would also allow EU citizens in this country to access the NHS.
Mr Davis even said that if agreement on a continuation of the system with the EU cannot be agreed, then the UK would provide one “unilaterally”.
So even if the EU do not reciprocate the UK would continue to provide emergency care to EU visitors as if the EHIC system was still in place.
That is from another bastion of Brexit, The Independent.
That is not what you said or what we are arguing about. You specifically said the UK offer was worse than the current EHIC situation. That was an outright lie. Pointing to EU statements about what they would offer is meaningless as the discussion is the UK offer.
You were wrong and now can't bring yourself to admit it.
Oh Lord, I'm holding a report here which has been independently produced that says otherwise and this is what the telegraph says.
A senior EU official told The Telegraph that the British offer, as it stands, meant that a German citizen living in Britain and moving away for a period of time would lose rights guaranteed by the agreement.
The British offer has a two-year time limit for an EU citizen to be away from Britain before losing the rights in the deal.
The UK offer is worse than the current situation.
I suppose we can't trust that bastion of EU federalism, The Daily Telegraph.
At best it seems that we can hope to retain the status quo, at worst the situation deteriorates considerably.
Oh Lord, I'm holding a report here which has been independently produced that says otherwise and this is what the telegraph says.
A senior EU official told The Telegraph that the British offer, as it stands, meant that a German citizen living in Britain and moving away for a period of time would lose rights guaranteed by the agreement.
The British offer has a two-year time limit for an EU citizen to be away from Britain before losing the rights in the deal.
The UK offer is worse than the current situation.
I suppose we can't trust that bastion of EU federalism, The Daily Telegraph.
Again you are desperately trying to change the argument because you got caught out.
The right of citizens to health care under EHIC - which is what we have been discussing - is not the same as the right to health care for residents. EHIC covers emergency cover for visitors free of charge. A British expat living in Spain for 4 years will not be able to claim back his health care under EHIC if he needs cancer treatment. He will be expected to have enrolled in the Spanish Health Care system and taken out the relevant insurance.
The matter under discussion is the EHIC system and you claimed the British proposal on that was worse than the current situation.
Your exact statement was:
"The current UK offer is much less than the one non EEA country offers re EHIC"
It is not. You are wrong and digging yourself deeper with every dishonest posting you make on the subject. I could of course be charitable and suggest you simply don't understand the subject you are discussing but I have learnt that as a rule giving you the benefit of the doubt when it comes to Brexit is a fools game.
Again you are desperately trying to change the argument because you got caught out.
The right of citizens to health care under EHIC - which is what we have been discussing - is not the same as the right to health care for residents. EHIC covers emergency cover for visitors free of charge. A British expat living in Spain for 4 years will not be able to claim back his health care under EHIC if he needs cancer treatment. He will be expected to have enrolled in the Spanish Health Care system and taken out the relevant insurance.
The matter under discussion is the EHIC system and you claimed the British proposal on that was worse than the current situation.
Your exact statement was:
"The current UK offer is much less than the one non EEA country offers re EHIC"
It is not. You are wrong and digging yourself deeper with every dishonest posting you make on the subject. I could of course be charitable and suggest you simply don't understand the subject you are discussing but I have learnt that as a rule giving you the benefit of the doubt when it comes to Brexit is a fools game.
Holding a briefing paper here, whilst you're howling at the moon.
Again, am I going to trust those who specialise in this or you?
Whilst you stick to smears and insults, I'll trust the experts who deal with this on a daily basis, and so far have been proven right about how Brexit and the deal therein will pan out so far.
Edit - I should have remembered what you Leavers think about the experts.
Again you are desperately trying to change the argument because you got caught out.
The right of citizens to health care under EHIC - which is what we have been discussing - is not the same as the right to health care for residents. EHIC covers emergency cover for visitors free of charge. A British expat living in Spain for 4 years will not be able to claim back his health care under EHIC if he needs cancer treatment. He will be expected to have enrolled in the Spanish Health Care system and taken out the relevant insurance.
The matter under discussion is the EHIC system and you claimed the British proposal on that was worse than the current situation.
Your exact statement was:
"The current UK offer is much less than the one non EEA country offers re EHIC"
It is not. You are wrong and digging yourself deeper with every dishonest posting you make on the subject. I could of course be charitable and suggest you simply don't understand the subject you are discussing but I have learnt that as a rule giving you the benefit of the doubt when it comes to Brexit is a fools game.
Holding a briefing paper here, whilst you're howling at the moon.
Again, am I going to trust those who specialise in this or you?
Whilst you stick to smears and insults, I'll trust the experts who deal with this on a daily basis, and so far have been proven right about how Brexit and the deal therein will pan out so far.
Edit - I should have remembered what you Leavers think about the experts.
Nope you are trying to argue about two completely different things and are clearly too dumb or too dishonest to understand the difference. Unless your briefing paper was written by David Davis is runs counter to both what he said and what is actually written in the published briefing by his department.
Do we intend to continue with the EHIC or its exact equivalent after Brexit? The official Government paper and the man in charge of the negotiations both say yes. You and your lawyers say no. I wonder which one we should believe?
You screwed up either through ignorance or intent and are now trying to squirm your way out of it.
Nope you are trying to argue about two completely different things and are clearly too dumb or too dishonest to understand the difference. Unless your briefing paper was written by David Davis is runs counter to both what he said and what is actually written in the published briefing by his department.
Do we intend to continue with the EHIC or its exact equivalent after Brexit? The official Government paper and the man in charge of the negotiations both say yes. You and your lawyers say no. I wonder which one we should believe?
You screwed up either through ignorance or intent and are now trying to squirm your way out of it.
I was hoping you'd read the inference of the comments, nuance isn't your game, both are related.
Let me be clear, the offer by David Davis is worse than both the current deal and that which is offered by the non EEA member
As for believing David Davis, shall we talk about the row of the summer he promised, when in reality he surrendered like a Frenchman.
David Davis is turning into such a poor negotiator that I won't be surprised if as part of the Brexit deal he signs the UK up to Schengen and the single currency.
Edit - Any response to this post will elicit a response from me on Tuesday, as I'm rather busy the next two days.
Nope you are trying to argue about two completely different things and are clearly too dumb or too dishonest to understand the difference. Unless your briefing paper was written by David Davis is runs counter to both what he said and what is actually written in the published briefing by his department.
Do we intend to continue with the EHIC or its exact equivalent after Brexit? The official Government paper and the man in charge of the negotiations both say yes. You and your lawyers say no. I wonder which one we should believe?
You screwed up either through ignorance or intent and are now trying to squirm your way out of it.
I was hoping you'd read the inference of the comments, nuance isn't your game, both are related.
Let me be clear, the offer by David Davis is worse than both the current deal and that which is offered by the non EEA member
As for believing David Davis, shall we talk about the row of the summer he promised, when in reality he surrendered like a Frenchman.
David Davis is turning into such a poor negotiator that I won't be surprised if as part of the Brexit deal he signs the UK up to Schengen and the single currency.
Edit - Any response to this post will elicit a response from me on Tuesday, as I'm rather busy the next two days.
Nope. Again you are trying to squirm your way out of this and you won't get away with it.
You specifically said:
"The current UK offer is much less than the one non EEA country offers re EHIC"
That is what I challenged you on because it is simply wrong. The Government paper makes clear their offer is to maintain the rights for EU citizens in the UK under the EHIC system irrespective of any other matters being debated.
You are wrong and are too dishonest to admit it so now you try and drag in lots of other stuff unrelated to what we are discussing to try and cover up for your error.
It is a very revealing and unfortunate trait that does not serve you well. Perhaps you should take the time between now and Tuesday to consider why you feel it necessary to be so dishonest in these discussions.
Nope you are trying to argue about two completely different things and are clearly too dumb or too dishonest to understand the difference. Unless your briefing paper was written by David Davis is runs counter to both what he said and what is actually written in the published briefing by his department.
Do we intend to continue with the EHIC or its exact equivalent after Brexit? The official Government paper and the man in charge of the negotiations both say yes. You and your lawyers say no. I wonder which one we should believe?
You screwed up either through ignorance or intent and are now trying to squirm your way out of it.
I was hoping you'd read the inference of the comments, nuance isn't your game, both are related.
Let me be clear, the offer by David Davis is worse than both the current deal and that which is offered by the non EEA member
As for believing David Davis, shall we talk about the row of the summer he promised, when in reality he surrendered like a Frenchman.
David Davis is turning into such a poor negotiator that I won't be surprised if as part of the Brexit deal he signs the UK up to Schengen and the single currency.
Edit - Any response to this post will elicit a response from me on Tuesday, as I'm rather busy the next two days.
Nope. Again you are trying to squirm your way out of this and you won't get away with it.
You specifically said:
"The current UK offer is much less than the one non EEA country offers re EHIC"
That is what I challenged you on because it is simply wrong. The Government paper makes clear their offer is to maintain the rights for EU citizens in the UK under the EHIC system irrespective of any other matters being debated.
You are wrong and are too dishonest to admit it so now you try and drag in lots of other stuff unrelated to what we are discussing to try and cover up for your error.
It is a very revealing and unfortunate trait that does not serve you well. Perhaps you should take the time between now and Tuesday to consider why you feel it necessary to be so dishonest in these discussions.
If anyone thinks Bobajob hasn't commented a dozen times on this thread, I'll offer them big odds on anything they like
We all remember the time he boasted changing usernames, you repeated it and promptly got banned for speculating on multiple user names ... that still makes me smile.
If your face fits around here, you can get away with murder. Us ordinary mortals, though...
Theirs and others analysis on Brexit since June 23rd has been spot on so far.
90% of my day job is focused on Brexit, so I'm heavily invested in making Brexit a success.
You specifically said that the British offer on the EHIC was worse than the current position. That was an outright lie.
"David Davis said the UK Government is seeking a plan to allow Britons to continue accessing cut-price healthcare in EU countries.
The cabinet minister said the UK wants a continuation of the existing European Health Insurance Card system, which would also allow EU citizens in this country to access the NHS.
Mr Davis even said that if agreement on a continuation of the system with the EU cannot be agreed, then the UK would provide one “unilaterally”.
So even if the EU do not reciprocate the UK would continue to provide emergency care to EU visitors as if the EHIC system was still in place.
That is from another bastion of Brexit, The Independent.
That is not what you said or what we are arguing about. You specifically said the UK offer was worse than the current EHIC situation. That was an outright lie. Pointing to EU statements about what they would offer is meaningless as the discussion is the UK offer.
You were wrong and now can't bring yourself to admit it.
Oh Lord, I'm holding a report here which has been independently produced that says otherwise and this is what the telegraph says.
A senior EU official told The Telegraph that the British offer, as it stands, meant that a German citizen living in Britain and moving away for a period of time would lose rights guaranteed by the agreement.
The British offer has a two-year time limit for an EU citizen to be away from Britain before losing the rights in the deal.
That is the current status for those given "permission to remain" - if you've declared that you intend to remain in the U.K. "Indefinitely" then move away for 2 years, the U.K. not unreasonably assumes that you don't intend to remain "indefinitely".
A way round that is to become a British citizen - it's not the UK's fault some EU members prohibit dual citizenship.
As with the ECJ the EU is seeing to create a class of "super citizens" with superior rights to the rest of us.
The EU's mantra is "nothing may change"'- except the UK must become a "third country".....
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If truth be told it's not the very small true number of transgendered (or gender ambiguous) people I'm bothered by - it's the fashionable cause hitchers, and the professionally outraged, who use such moves as political levers to chip away at social norms to further their own agenda.
The British position is absolutely clear and you have utterly misrepresented it. The Guardian get it but you apparently don't. Unsurprising given your antipathy to any news that might show something other than disaster when it comes to Brexit. It is sad to see how far you have fallen in your ignorance.
And you have no monopoly on either concern or knowledge of Brexit. I am heavily involved in UK major projects and very aware of what Government is doing, and its effects.
On the other hand, we are all well aware of the personal inconvenience Brexit has caused to your career and workpatterns, since before the vote itself, take that into account when reading your posts.
However, the jockeying for position has caused such anger that senior party figures are already certain they could quickly gain more than 100 signatures in support of a candidate to run against Davis and avoid a coronation.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/22/david-davis-theresa-may-conservative-leadership
"David Davis said the UK Government is seeking a plan to allow Britons to continue accessing cut-price healthcare in EU countries.
The cabinet minister said the UK wants a continuation of the existing European Health Insurance Card system, which would also allow EU citizens in this country to access the NHS.
Mr Davis even said that if agreement on a continuation of the system with the EU cannot be agreed, then the UK would provide one “unilaterally”.
So even if the EU do not reciprocate the UK would continue to provide emergency care to EU visitors as if the EHIC system was still in place.
That is from another bastion of Brexit, The Independent.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-davis-ehic-brexit-healthcare-eu-citizens-theresa-may-a7807436.html
So was it?
Something from a few days ago.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/20/britons-face-losing-healthcare-europe-eu-toughens-brexit-stance/
You were wrong and now can't bring yourself to admit it.
A senior EU official told The Telegraph that the British offer, as it stands, meant that a German citizen living in Britain and moving away for a period of time would lose rights guaranteed by the agreement.
The British offer has a two-year time limit for an EU citizen to be away from Britain before losing the rights in the deal.
The UK offer is worse than the current situation.
I suppose we can't trust that bastion of EU federalism, The Daily Telegraph.
The right of citizens to health care under EHIC - which is what we have been discussing - is not the same as the right to health care for residents. EHIC covers emergency cover for visitors free of charge. A British expat living in Spain for 4 years will not be able to claim back his health care under EHIC if he needs cancer treatment. He will be expected to have enrolled in the Spanish Health Care system and taken out the relevant insurance.
The matter under discussion is the EHIC system and you claimed the British proposal on that was worse than the current situation.
Your exact statement was:
"The current UK offer is much less than the one non EEA country offers re EHIC"
It is not. You are wrong and digging yourself deeper with every dishonest posting you make on the subject. I could of course be charitable and suggest you simply don't understand the subject you are discussing but I have learnt that as a rule giving you the benefit of the doubt when it comes to Brexit is a fools game.
Again, am I going to trust those who specialise in this or you?
Whilst you stick to smears and insults, I'll trust the experts who deal with this on a daily basis, and so far have been proven right about how Brexit and the deal therein will pan out so far.
Edit - I should have remembered what you Leavers think about the experts.
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/888854507723128832
Here's a thought, the longer Obamacare The Affordable Care Act is still on the books the better it is for Trump's chances of being re-elected in 2020.
Do we intend to continue with the EHIC or its exact equivalent after Brexit? The official Government paper and the man in charge of the negotiations both say yes. You and your lawyers say no. I wonder which one we should believe?
You screwed up either through ignorance or intent and are now trying to squirm your way out of it.
Let me be clear, the offer by David Davis is worse than both the current deal and that which is offered by the non EEA member
As for believing David Davis, shall we talk about the row of the summer he promised, when in reality he surrendered like a Frenchman.
David Davis is turning into such a poor negotiator that I won't be surprised if as part of the Brexit deal he signs the UK up to Schengen and the single currency.
Edit - Any response to this post will elicit a response from me on Tuesday, as I'm rather busy the next two days.
You specifically said:
"The current UK offer is much less than the one non EEA country offers re EHIC"
That is what I challenged you on because it is simply wrong. The Government paper makes clear their offer is to maintain the rights for EU citizens in the UK under the EHIC system irrespective of any other matters being debated.
You are wrong and are too dishonest to admit it so now you try and drag in lots of other stuff unrelated to what we are discussing to try and cover up for your error.
It is a very revealing and unfortunate trait that does not serve you well. Perhaps you should take the time between now and Tuesday to consider why you feel it necessary to be so dishonest in these discussions.
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If your face fits around here, you can get away with murder. Us ordinary mortals, though...
A way round that is to become a British citizen - it's not the UK's fault some EU members prohibit dual citizenship.
As with the ECJ the EU is seeing to create a class of "super citizens" with superior rights to the rest of us.
The EU's mantra is "nothing may change"'- except the UK must become a "third country".....