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edited August 2013 in General

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  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,112
    TSE - fair and balanced? Discuss.

    titter
  • Scotland, bloody hell
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,314
    edited August 2013
    Crap! 2-1???
  • Bloody hell, 2-2!!!
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,658
    At least the Scots have forced some life into the game,
  • SeanT said:

    England = rubbish. Start from scratch. Sack Hodgson, he looks like the last camel's scrotum in the shop...

    No! England are brilliant!

    No, sack Hogson. Etc.

    That post reminds me of your posts during the first few days of the Olympics.
  • tim, don't look at channel 4seven. Scary holistic "medicine"!
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,658
    edited August 2013

    Scotland, bloody hell

    I'm neutral in this but veering towards Scotland in as much as I'd like to see a team valued at less than Wayne Rooney beat a team with Wayne Rooney in it. The Premier Donnas are always value when they're made to look amateurs.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    best you lot discuss football,(overpaid primadonnas worth about 1/10,000 of what they get paid) one wouldn't want the subject diverted to Southam Observer giving us his educated assessment of the England cricket team.
    I would have to tell him (again) that he was talking bollocks.
  • best you lot discuss football,(overpaid primadonnas worth about 1/10,000 of what they get paid) one wouldn't want the subject diverted to Southam Observer giving us his educated assessment of the England cricket team.
    I would have to tell him (again) that he was talking bollocks.

    Why do you believe England's bowling attack is not world class, but our batting unit is?

  • SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    England = rubbish. Start from scratch. Sack Hodgson, he looks like the last camel's scrotum in the shop...

    No! England are brilliant!

    No, sack Hogson. Etc.

    That post reminds me of your posts during the first few days of the Olympics.
    Yes, they were particularly crazy and bipolar.

    IIRC at one point I wanted Keith Chegwin AND Prince Charles tortured with Skeffington's Gyves, because of our failure to medal.

    I remember at one point you wanted Tony Blair publicly waterboarded in Trafalagar for lumbering us with the costs of the Olympics and no medals
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,311
    Is Rooney turning into a tree? He's certainly showing all the mobility of one.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,658
    Oh dear, Wayne plays for England and doesn't score - again. Why do they bother putting him on ?
  • Is Rooney turning into a tree? He's certainly showing all the mobility of one.

    Perhaps he got confused and was expecting 90mins with the Auld Slapper and not 90 mins with the Auld Enemy.
  • I'm so happy for Rickie Lambert
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,658
    edited August 2013

    Is Rooney turning into a tree? He's certainly showing all the mobility of one.

    I think Roy's misunderstood that when Rooney says he's a striker he means he's a centre forward who refuses to score goals.
  • England 3-2!!!!!
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786
    Ricky! Ricky Lambert!! Come on you saints!!!
  • NI beating Russia 1-0 with 5 to go.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    edited August 2013
    Juicy choice of topics from TSE and we're all talking sport!

    In case anyone's interested, what I've been doing when I'm not doing party politics:



    I'll be at all the English party conferences in this context, happy to have a drink with any available pb'ers. Still struggling to get ANY sort of reply from UKIP about stands at theirs - got all the way to the Chief Executive (not Farage, the business manager), who said um, I dunno, but I'll find someone who does. Several days later, no reply. If their are any UKIP people out there who would like UKIP to get money from stands, please encourage them to get in touch - the other parties would have had their salespeople camping outside my office by now.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Rejoice! Labour have a policy!

    @StephenTwigg
    My pledge that Labour will defend & restore AS levels as crucial both for high standards and widening participation http://t.co/9DwHSlaEDq

    Of course, as a true One Nation policy it does not apply in all parts of the Nation..
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,658

    NI beating Russia 1-0 with 5 to go.

    bizarrely they've just won. A typical NI effort; now they'll lose their next match to the Faroe Islands over 50s B team.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Scott_P said:

    Rejoice! Labour have a policy!

    @StephenTwigg
    My pledge that Labour will defend & restore AS levels as crucial both for high standards and widening participation http://t.co/9DwHSlaEDq

    Of course, as a true One Nation policy it does not apply in all parts of the Nation..

    Maybe Twigg's been listening to private school leaders who are threatening to opt out of A levels if Gove decouples them from AS. Not that I'm impressed with Twigg, personally. Nor with AS levels, generally.
  • Huzzah! Full time England 3-2 Scotland!
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,311
    Definitely a fixture worth reviving, best sustained effort I've seen from Scotland for years. Even the boys in white gave the impression there was something worth playing for.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,311

    NI beating Russia 1-0 with 5 to go.

    bizarrely they've just won. A typical NI effort; now they'll lose their next match to the Faroe Islands over 50s B team.
    The Scottish cultural heritage is STRONG.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,658

    Definitely a fixture worth reviving, best sustained effort I've seen from Scotland for years. Even the boys in white gave the impression there was something worth playing for.

    yup, the Scots made the game.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    From the NS article:
    "The risk is made greater by losses in successive council elections over the course of a parliament. Each small defeat demoralises another member, his or her family, their friends. There is an aggregate effect that ends in fewer feet pounding the pavements and fewer hands stuffing envelopes when the big push comes."

    The LDs have lost a lot of councillors in the past few years. Has this shown up in local (in)activity?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited August 2013

    Juicy choice of topics from TSE and we're all talking sport!

    In case anyone's interested, what I've been doing when I'm not doing party politics:


    I'll be at all the English party conferences in this context, happy to have a drink with any available pb'ers. Still struggling to get ANY sort of reply from UKIP about stands at theirs - got all the way to the Chief Executive (not Farage, the business manager), who said um, I dunno, but I'll find someone who does. Several days later, no reply. If their are any UKIP people out there who would like UKIP to get money from stands, please encourage them to get in touch - the other parties would have had their salespeople camping outside my office by now.

    Did you mean to link to your email inbox...

    Have been having fun password guessing ;-)
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    From the NS article:
    "The risk is made greater by losses in successive council elections over the course of a parliament. Each small defeat demoralises another member, his or her family, their friends. There is an aggregate effect that ends in fewer feet pounding the pavements and fewer hands stuffing envelopes when the big push comes."

    The LDs have lost a lot of councillors in the past few years. Has this shown up in local (in)activity?

    Has it shown up in their finances?

    They used to demand that local councillors make over their allowances to the party.

    Anyone who thinks we don't already have state funding of political parties look away...
  • PBModeratorPBModerator Posts: 665
    edited August 2013
    @NickPalmer

    I've moderated your post, and removed the link, the link you included was a link to your inbox.

    I suspect that wasn't the link you wanted to post.
  • NextNext Posts: 826
    Charles said:

    Juicy choice of topics from TSE and we're all talking sport!

    In case anyone's interested, what I've been doing when I'm not doing party politics:


    I'll be at all the English party conferences in this context, happy to have a drink with any available pb'ers. Still struggling to get ANY sort of reply from UKIP about stands at theirs - got all the way to the Chief Executive (not Farage, the business manager), who said um, I dunno, but I'll find someone who does. Several days later, no reply. If their are any UKIP people out there who would like UKIP to get money from stands, please encourage them to get in touch - the other parties would have had their salespeople camping outside my office by now.

    Did you mean to link to your email inbox...

    Have been having fun password guessing ;-)
    I think that's called illegal computer hacking...
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    tim said:

    @suttonnick: Thursday's Daily Telegraph front page - "New wave of immigrants begins" #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers http://t.co/GqBvab17jI

    The coalition bringing in who?


    Why is it you have suddenly been converted into believing anything that the Daily Mail or Express or the left of centre FT or any rag for that matter that comes up with an anti Govt story? You would have been dissing them all as crap non stories pre May 2010.

    We just need you to be linking to Guido to believe that you really have lost the plot completely.

  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587

    @NickPalmer

    I've moderated your post, and removed the link, the link you included was a link to your inbox.

    I suspect that wasn't the link you wanted to post.

    Thanks - that's odd! Never mind...

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,112

    @NickPalmer

    I've moderated your post, and removed the link, the link you included was a link to your inbox.

    I suspect that wasn't the link you wanted to post.

    Thanks - that's odd! Never mind...

    It only went to the password prompt, not to your actual inbox.. just to ease any worries!
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    edited August 2013
    This is what I was trying to use tinyurl to shorten:

    Link edited again.

    If that links to my password box too, I resign any claim to understand computers...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,112
    I'm afraid that didn't work either
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Good evening, everyone.

    Just scanned the 'southern cancer' link. This uppity ex-separatist leader might pretend he speaks for Scotland but he certainly has no claim to understand England's north. It's a vile remark.
  • jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618
    Nick,yep it still links to your inbox.
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    Nick.

    Just be pleased that the web email account it links to is hosted from a group with which you are publicly associated.

    Could have been worse.

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,311

    Good evening, everyone.

    Just scanned the 'southern cancer' link. This uppity ex-separatist leader might pretend he speaks for Scotland but he certainly has no claim to understand England's north. It's a vile remark.

    Good job he doesn't speak for Scotland or the SNP then.
    Would you say your political viewpoint is representative of the North of England?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    F1: Ferrari deny they're lining up Raikkonen as a replacement for Massa:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23700586

    Whilst denials in F1 are worth about as much as they are in politics I do think this may be true. Ferrari tend not to give drivers equality, and Raikkonen isn't a number two. Furthermore, he appeared to be unhappy when he was with the team a few years ago.

    Someone like Hulkenberg would be a better fit. If/when the market comes up I'll be sure to check his odds.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    The key question for PB tonight: What does Paxman's facial hair count as for the Ladbrokes market?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Mr. Divvie, it's a damned sight more representative of the North of England than his.

    But no, I speak for no-one but myself, several thousand enormo-haddock and a few hundred octo-lemurs.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    I just read the article, didnt find much to object to, but perhaps because of reading similar remarks on here often enough.

    He doesnt like Salmond much though! It does look like a lost referendum will lead (as in post 78) to internecine sqabbles within the SNP, with loss of support. It is not yet clear who would pick up those voters, or whether they would just stay at home.

    Good evening, everyone.

    Just scanned the 'southern cancer' link. This uppity ex-separatist leader might pretend he speaks for Scotland but he certainly has no claim to understand England's north. It's a vile remark.

    Good job he doesn't speak for Scotland or the SNP then.
    Would you say your political viewpoint is representative of the North of England?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    Oh well! Thanks for intervening, moderator...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,090
    Turned on the TV to find a bearded Paxman introducing a piece on Newsnight on pornography...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,090
    The LD candidate for Gravesham in 2010, Anna Arrowsmith, is currently being interviewed by Paxman:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/constituency/b87.stm
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,311

    I just read the article, didnt find much to object to, but perhaps because of reading similar remarks on here often enough.

    He doesnt like Salmond much though! It does look like a lost referendum will lead (as in post 78) to internecine sqabbles within the SNP, with loss of support. It is not yet clear who would pick up those voters, or whether they would just stay at home.

    Gordon Wilson has about as much relevance as Norman Tebbit (and much as I loathe most of Tebbit's politics, Norm's a lot brighter). Whatever happens after the referendum, unless there's a Christianity fuelled, anti-gay marriage Jihad, GW won't be figuring.
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    I'm still literally fainting from last night's article number 24, shuddering in horror at the thought that the next OED edition will, by the same reasoning, include the following definition:

    suppository [səˈpɒzɪtərɪ -trɪ] n pl -ries

    1. An encapsulated or solid medication for insertion into the vagina, rectum, or urethra, where it melts and releases the active substance

    2. A place or container in which things can be stored for safety; an abundant source or supply.


    Reference:

    http://news.sky.com/story/1127561/pm-hopeful-tony-abbotts-suppository-gaffe
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited August 2013
    No 13 is interesting: Could the German economic model be Ed Miliband’s ‘big idea’?

    Sound public finances? Really? If that were Milband's big idea, I might vote for him, if I thought it was anything even vaguely resembling a shadow of a credible idea.

    I don't expect to have to carry this threat into action.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    @RichardNabavi Literally?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,090
    Interesting electoral fact:

    In 2010 Broxtowe registered the 12th highest Labour share of the vote in any seat the party didn't win.

    Full list:

    1. Hendon: 42.11%
    2. Brent Central: 41.22%
    3. Manchester Withington: 40.51%
    4. Warwickshire North: 40.07%
    5. Morecambe & Lunesdale: 39.53%
    6. Wolverhampton South West: 38.98%
    7. Sherwood: 38.81%
    8. Waveney: 38.72%
    9. Corby: 38.64%
    10.Stroud: 38.60%
    11.Enfield North: 38.49%
    12.Broxtowe: 38.30%
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited August 2013
    @antifrank - I was demonstrating that, contrary to popular belief, I can adapt to modern ways. Still, there are limits...
  • PB is quite literally the best political blog in the entire universe!
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    Number 20 is TSE's as-ever excellent list is a goody. What a pity the poster most likely to have a view on this is no longer able to assist us with interpreting it.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    tim said:

    @suttonnick: Thursday's Times front page - "Hundreds killed on Egypt’s day of carnage" #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers http://t.co/gdu2lTweqy

    Plus a story on how much it's costing to bring in consultants to plug gaps from sacking civil servants.
    Nobody believed Francis Maudes fantasy savings anyway did they?

    Probably only the accountants who recorded the costs and reconciled the transactions to bank balances.

  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    Andy_JS said:

    Interesting electoral fact:

    In 2010 Broxtowe registered the 12th highest Labour share of the vote in any seat the party didn't win.

    Full list:

    1. Hendon: 42.11%
    2. Brent Central: 41.22%
    3. Manchester Withington: 40.51%
    4. Warwickshire North: 40.07%
    5. Morecambe & Lunesdale: 39.53%
    6. Wolverhampton South West: 38.98%
    7. Sherwood: 38.81%
    8. Waveney: 38.72%
    9. Corby: 38.64%
    10.Stroud: 38.60%
    11.Enfield North: 38.49%
    12.Broxtowe: 38.30%

    Hadn't realised that, though I knew it was our 10th English target seat. It's odd, since it implies a duel with other parties nowhere, but actually the LibDems got 17%.

    I think it really will be a duel next time, though. The LibDems aren't even selecting till sometime in 2014.
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited August 2013
    And number 8 is a classic:

    When only the Netherlands, Greece and Portugal are doing worse [eh, Mary??? Although it is true that only Greece started out in a worse position in May 2010], and when Britain is back-tracking to a neo-feudal world of seigneurial privilege and modern serfdom

    Did SeanT get to ghost-write that bit?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @tim

    I'm afraid those statistics are wrong. The 101,920 figure is for England, not the UK. You wouldnt be mindlessly reposting something incorrect from twitter, would you? That would be terrible.
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    Even after improvement under this government, the number of houses being built is woeful. I live near one of the fastest-growing towns and even here there is no sense of vision. I have no faith in a government of any colours to change that, at the moment. Some people have HS2 as their 20-year project; others a new airport or a much enlarged one; nobody seems to house-building on a billion-pound scale. Not by a mile.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @tim

    Will we be waiting long for you to congratulate the coalition for more new build starts in England last year than Labour achieved in either of the last 2 years it was in power?
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited August 2013
    tim said:

    Another piece for the house price inflation junkies, this time from the right.

    @georgeeaton: Housing starts in France in the last year: 342,000. In the UK: 101,920. (Via @AllisterHeath) http://t.co/YhmmlCxWfd

    What Allister Heath fails to tell his readers is the trends in two countries.

    In France housing construction is declining rapidly accelerated by falling prices and unsold stocks of property.

    In the UK the housing construction rate is rising rapidly accelerated by stabilised and slowly growing prices.

    Take note of this recent article from French Property:

    Housing construction in France this year is likely to drop 18% from 2012 to 250,000.

    That is just half of the 500,000 the government says are needed annually and the lowest since WW2, says Jean Perrin, President of the Union Nationale de la Propriété Immobilière, the private landlords association.

    He said 304,234 new French homes were built in 2012, down nearly 20% from 2011. For 2013, "the figure will be the lowest since the Second World War," he told the AFP news agency in an interview.

    The downturn is mainly due to the fiscal situation which discourages owner occupation, he said. "The problem is not that developers are unable to build but that they are not selling. The real challenge is not to find suitable construction sites but to give homebuyers the confidence to purchase."


    Hollande builds houses that don't sell and which fall in value. C'est le socialisme.

    Osborne builds houses that sell and grow in value. C'est le capitalisme.

    Note that if France only build 250,000 houses in 2013 there will not be much difference from the UK in total dwellings constructed. Current rate of UK construction is currently around 50,000 per quarter and growing.

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    tim said:


    Depressingly we're now going to deliberately repeat the cycle

    If only the smarter government ministers would just listen to you.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited August 2013
    Grandiose said:

    Even after improvement under this government, the number of houses being built is woeful. I live near one of the fastest-growing towns and even here there is no sense of vision. I have no faith in a government of any colours to change that, at the moment. Some people have HS2 as their 20-year project; others a new airport or a much enlarged one; nobody seems to house-building on a billion-pound scale. Not by a mile.

    The maximum capacity of the UK private sector construction industry is probably around 250,000 dwellings per annum.

    In the 1950s and 1960s local government construction peaked at 150,000 per annum, but since 1997 virtually no council dwellings have been built. In the first two years of the Coalition government more council dwellings have been built than in the entire thirteen years of Labour government. Still the figures are less than 5,000 with a heavy skew to Scotland.

    Housing Association builds peaked at just over 40,000 in 1993-4, and were around 30,000 in 2010-11, but expansion has been constrained by funding sources drying up and the lack of a worked business model for the sector. Moving rents nearer to private sector levels may alter the model but this will take time.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,090
    Geoffrey Clifton-Brown is outraged that millions of overseas UK residents are not registered to vote. I wonder why that might be: nothing to do with the fact that he thinks most of them would be Conservative supporters?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @Andy_JS

    I'm willing to go knocking-up in Barbados for any party that wants to pay to send me there for the duration of the campaign.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    tim said:

    "The Government spent up to £800 million bringing in consultants and temporary staff last year to do the same job civil servants who had been laid off with big payouts, it has been claimed.

    Consultants often earning more £1,000 a day were parachuted in as tens of thousands of civil servants were made redundant in what has been described as a “revolving door” at the heart of the Whitehall.

    Three years ago Francis Maude, the Cabinet Office Minister, banned the use of management consultants as part of efficiency reforms
    However, the big four consultants — KPMG, PwC, Deloitte and Ernst & Young — are now being brought back as the government is “desperate” to complete difficult projects before the election, sources say"

    @TelePolitics: Government spent £800million on temporary staff despite redundancies http://t.co/7ngrJPmNyi


    Lifted from TheTimes front page

    This story will be familiar to anyone who has worked for large organisations who are forced to make rapid cuts in functional activity and headcount.

    As the big four consultants tend to be retained to advise on what cuts to make and then again to patch the holes after their advice is implemented, it is a good business to be in.

    But it all washes out in time. Employment of temps and consultants falls as the downsized organisation settles. That is why it often takes two to three years before the full potential of downsizing is realised in reduced cost base.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,314
    edited August 2013
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    tim said:

    Neil said:

    @tim

    I'm afraid those statistics are wrong. The 101,920 figure is for England, not the UK. You wouldnt be mindlessly reposting something incorrect from twitter, would you? That would be terrible.


    The figures in the original piece are for England, the point is made specifically
    The source is from LiveTable208.xls, the latest stats from DCLG link: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/live-tables-on-dwelling-stock-including-vacants
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,709
    Andy_JS said:

    Geoffrey Clifton-Brown is outraged that millions of overseas UK residents are not registered to vote. I wonder why that might be: nothing to do with the fact that he thinks most of them would be Conservative supporters?

    He had some weird thing about connecting it with embassy registration which made no sense to me, but:
    1) The registration process makes you jump through pointless hoops.
    2) Cutting people off after 15 years is outrageous. The UK doesn't give votes to foreigners living in the UK for 15 years, so the principle is effectively that mobile people are disenfranchised, and only stationary people are allowed to vote.

    As an example of (1), your form has to be witnessed by a British citizen living outside Britain. Why would I be expected to know one of those? If they only trust British people to witness it, why not a British citizen living in Britain?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,090
    It's obvious now that Yazz is mixed race but at the time the blonde hair had me fooled.
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    In the last two months, I have seen (by chance, not by arrangement) Michael Mansfield QC, Vince Cable MP, David Amess MP, Francis Maude MP, and Felicity Kendal, all while I was walking to (or from), or waiting at, the Noel Coward Theatre to see Daniel Radcliffe.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Geoffrey Clifton-Brown is outraged that millions of overseas UK residents are not registered to vote. I wonder why that might be: nothing to do with the fact that he thinks most of them would be Conservative supporters?

    He had some weird thing about connecting it with embassy registration which made no sense to me, but:
    1) The registration process makes you jump through pointless hoops.
    2) Cutting people off after 15 years is outrageous. The UK doesn't give votes to foreigners living in the UK for 15 years, so the principle is effectively that mobile people are disenfranchised, and only stationary people are allowed to vote.

    As an example of (1), your form has to be witnessed by a British citizen living outside Britain. Why would I be expected to know one of those? If they only trust British people to witness it, why not a British citizen living in Britain?
    As the ethnic vote in England grows each election as a percentage of the overall votes it means Tory control of the "southern white vote" is not enough now to get over the line. Essentially the same issues republicans have with Hispanics in US.

  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    Latest YouGov / The Sun results 14th August - Con 32%, Lab 38%, LD 11%, UKIP 13%; APP -29
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    YouGov

    65% of 2010 Labour voters would chose a majority Labour government as best for Britain; 15% would chose a Lib/Lab coalition.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited August 2013
    Mr Hodges does have a talent for this sketch stuff

    "It must have been like this in Dallas. A sudden crack, then a shout, than several panicked cries of “look out!” I have witnessed political eggings before, but this appeared to be more than the work of a lone egg assailant. A veritable fusillade of unhatched chicken was raining down on Ed Miliband and his party.

    Moments like these test the mettle of a man. And few men are made of sterner stuff than the Daily Telegraph’s very own sketchwriter Michael Deacon. As others froze or fled, Deacon sprang forward and hurled himself between Miliband, his attacker, and the deadly egg salvo. It was like watching Clint Eastwood in The Line of Fire...http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100231172/the-lone-eggman-ed-miliband-meets-the-egg-hurling-lee-harvey-oswald-of-walworth/
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Plato said:

    Mr Hodges does have a talent for this sketch stuff

    "It must have been like this in Dallas. A sudden crack, then a shout, than several panicked cries of “look out!” I have witnessed political eggings before, but this appeared to be more than the work of a lone egg assailant. A veritable fusillade of unhatched chicken was raining down on Ed Miliband and his party.

    Moments like these test the mettle of a man. And few men are made of sterner stuff than the Daily Telegraph’s very own sketchwriter Michael Deacon. As others froze or fled, Deacon sprang forward and hurled himself between Miliband, his attacker, and the deadly egg salvo. It was like watching Clint Eastwood in The Line of Fire...http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100231172/the-lone-eggman-ed-miliband-meets-the-egg-hurling-lee-harvey-oswald-of-walworth/

    The Telegraph appears to be quite erm, ‘liberal’ wrt their comment moderation policy – I found this one quite hilarious.

    “I never usually feel sorry for Eg and I normally put him in the same category as The Guardian (ie utterly worthless and useless arse-paper) but I found a lump in my throat and my heart really went out to the Marxist bastard as much as I wanted to despise him. He is an adenoidally challenged autistic geek at the end of the day and in the words of John Bradford, "there but for the grace of God, go I."”
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited August 2013

    Plato said:

    Mr Hodges does have a talent for this sketch stuff

    "It must have been like this in Dallas. A sudden crack, then a shout, than several panicked cries of “look out!” I have witnessed political eggings before, but this appeared to be more than the work of a lone egg assailant. A veritable fusillade of unhatched chicken was raining down on Ed Miliband and his party.

    Moments like these test the mettle of a man. And few men are made of sterner stuff than the Daily Telegraph’s very own sketchwriter Michael Deacon. As others froze or fled, Deacon sprang forward and hurled himself between Miliband, his attacker, and the deadly egg salvo. It was like watching Clint Eastwood in The Line of Fire...http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100231172/the-lone-eggman-ed-miliband-meets-the-egg-hurling-lee-harvey-oswald-of-walworth/

    The Telegraph appears to be quite erm, ‘liberal’ wrt their comment moderation policy...
    What the DT let's through can be most entertaining - I always wonder what someone had said when 'Post Removed' 96 Recommendations!
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    I quite like Ed Miliband. He is quite a sweetie, with his heart in the right place. I only hope that he is sufficiently refreshed from his holiday to get stuck into some of the things that need doing. Number one would be sacking some of the duffers on his front bench and promoting some fresh faces from the 2010 intake.

    Plato said:

    Mr Hodges does have a talent for this sketch stuff

    "It must have been like this in Dallas. A sudden crack, then a shout, than several panicked cries of “look out!” I have witnessed political eggings before, but this appeared to be more than the work of a lone egg assailant. A veritable fusillade of unhatched chicken was raining down on Ed Miliband and his party.

    It is possible to recover politically from unpopularity, much harder from derision and being a figure of fun.

    Moments like these test the mettle of a man. And few men are made of sterner stuff than the Daily Telegraph’s very own sketchwriter Michael Deacon. As others froze or fled, Deacon sprang forward and hurled himself between Miliband, his attacker, and the deadly egg salvo. It was like watching Clint Eastwood in The Line of Fire...http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100231172/the-lone-eggman-ed-miliband-meets-the-egg-hurling-lee-harvey-oswald-of-walworth/

    The Telegraph appears to be quite erm, ‘liberal’ wrt their comment moderation policy – I found this one quite hilarious.

    “I never usually feel sorry for Eg and I normally put him in the same category as The Guardian (ie utterly worthless and useless arse-paper) but I found a lump in my throat and my heart really went out to the Marxist bastard as much as I wanted to despise him. He is an adenoidally challenged autistic geek at the end of the day and in the words of John Bradford, "there but for the grace of God, go I."”
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,845
    Marion Bartoli to retire.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23707454

    I can only hope John Inverdale follows her into retirement...
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Nick P counts the 2010 Labour voters as in the bag. This would suggest that about a third have no real enthusiasm for a Labour govt.

    Time to start getting the act together. The contrast with the tight organisation, coherent messages and realistic pledges of 95-97 in the party is stark.
    Financier said:

    YouGov

    65% of 2010 Labour voters would chose a majority Labour government as best for Britain; 15% would chose a Lib/Lab coalition.

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I wouldn't normally quote Lord Tebbit - but I think he summarised this rather well.

    "I really had not intended to heap indignity upon indignity onto the unfortunate Mr Chris Bryant, but when a Labour employment spokesman stomps on to the ground I thought I had made my own over 30 years ago, with his remarks on the mobility of labour, I felt I had to join in.

    As readers will know, Mr Bryant was at one time the Minister of State for Europe, so we have to assume that he was aware of the Blair government's decisions to open the gates to unlimited, uncontrolled, uncounted immigration from the Third World and to set aside the EU moratorium on immigration from the newly admitted central European states including Poland. For him to now to criticise Polish immigration in terms which, had they come from Nigel Farage, might have been condemned by many on the Left as "racist" or "extreme", would have been bad enough, but to do so by way of an attack on Tesco and Next in which he got the facts wrong and had to back down, is absurd even for a member of Mr Milliband's team." http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/normantebbit/100231069/chris-bryant-may-be-absurd-but-hes-drawn-attention-to-the-immigration-problem-that-his-party-left-us-with/
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724

    Nick P counts the 2010 Labour voters as in the bag. This would suggest that about a third have no real enthusiasm for a Labour govt.

    Time to start getting the act together. The contrast with the tight organisation, coherent messages and realistic pledges of 95-97 in the party is stark.

    Financier said:

    YouGov

    65% of 2010 Labour voters would chose a majority Labour government as best for Britain; 15% would chose a Lib/Lab coalition.

    There are two excellent articles both saying almost exactly the same thing re Labour's advice from Ali Campbell IGNORE IT!!!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10242658/Why-Alastair-Campbells-advice-to-Ed-Miliband-sucks.html

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100231108/labour-needs-to-come-up-with-a-future-it-wont-find-it-by-digging-up-the-corpse-of-new-labour/
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    I am no fan of Alistair Campbell or Peter Mandelson, both of whom have enough skeletons to fill vast numbers of closets. I think that New Labour had the correct policies and campaign in 97 (the implementation was the problem), but what is really needed is that unity of purpose and image of a govt in waiting.

    I agree with Andy Burnham that there needs to be a clear general direction of policy, even if the fine details are published later. At the moment the party looks witless. Omniscramblesfits a bit too neatly.
    Plato said:

    Nick P counts the 2010 Labour voters as in the bag. This would suggest that about a third have no real enthusiasm for a Labour govt.

    Time to start getting the act together. The contrast with the tight organisation, coherent messages and realistic pledges of 95-97 in the party is stark.

    Financier said:

    YouGov

    65% of 2010 Labour voters would chose a majority Labour government as best for Britain; 15% would chose a Lib/Lab coalition.

    There are two excellent articles both saying almost exactly the same thing re Labour's advice from Ali Campbell IGNORE IT!!!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10242658/Why-Alastair-Campbells-advice-to-Ed-Miliband-sucks.html

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100231108/labour-needs-to-come-up-with-a-future-it-wont-find-it-by-digging-up-the-corpse-of-new-labour/
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