Tim Shipman (Mail) @ShippersUnbound 3m BREAKING: Senior Tory sources say they are also paying back the donation to the Treasury!
So...story over..pretty much..
apart from it being further proof that neither of these parties have any scruples about pocketing money under any dubious excuse, shows how far the standards of our leaders have fallen.
SNP MPs are on average the most expensive to the UK taxpayer. Why ?
no malcolmg I am not happy ,although do not know the full circumstances but can see that it should be for the public purse. I was merely pointing out your partisan attitude when really all politicians of all colours are generally out for themselves
Tim Shipman (Mail) @ShippersUnbound 3m BREAKING: Senior Tory sources say they are also paying back the donation to the Treasury!
So...story over..pretty much..
apart from it being further proof that neither of these parties have any scruples about pocketing money under any dubious excuse, shows how far the standards of our leaders have fallen.
Or it could be as simple as both parties received the money in good faith and have since returned is (ok, passed it to the treasury) when the executor's cock-up was found out.
What would be interesting to know would be when was the snafu brought to the LIB/Con's attention? Was it before or after the scoop? Were they already making plans to pay it back before the story broke? etc.
You may have a point about being shamed into it and you may not. At the moment there is insufficient evidence to say. Call me agnostic on this question.
History suggests that they only do so when caught out , past actions would suggest that if they had not been put in the spotlight it would have been trousered.
People's religion has always been an accident, for the most part, of their time and place of birth. As of right now 55% of the world's population are born into one of three monotheistic religions with the starting point of an Iraqi who lived to the ripe old age of 176 being sent various trials to test him.
It is no more or less fantastical than the Norse, Celtic, Egyptian, Greek or Roman pantheons.
Mr. Palmer, if hair-splitting over donations is a bad thing will Labour be paying the tax that was avoided when they advised a donor to give shares rather than cash? Or is that an entirely different matter?
Mr. G: 'whichever government is in office' is a stupid phrase. Government implies the state, is in office implies a party. The executors of the will did not complain, and they know better than most what the wishes of the individual were.
MD , that may be so but can you honestly say that you would equate Government to mean lets split it between Tories and LD's , it cannot be justified and at worst they just grabbed the money and asked no questions. I cannot believe a cheque for close to half a million just dropped on the mat and no explanation. It has already been stated that Government departments etc were contacted.
Mr. Jessop, point of order: the brain doesn't really power down when we sleep. It's just that we perceive it as such because the conscious is at rest. Some parts of the brain are only/most active at night (the idea more sleep = better is nonsense).
That said, the after-image of dreams is an interesting idea.
Yes, the brain doesn't shut down per se, but reduced activity could have the same effect (a radio analogy: the signal reduces to near the noise floor, so the noise is picked up and interpreted as signal).
There's another line of thought that dreams are vital for us to function healthily. But that leads us into a whole new area of nutjobbery and quack science.
AIUI one of the problems is the differences between the greyware of our brains and the hardware of neural nets. Just because we are making something that behaves similarly, does not mean that it's the same.
At which point, I'm really getting out of my depth.
Good swift damage limitation by both parties. Zac summed it up well: "Zac Goldsmith, said: "This needs to be sorted out now. No one can truly believe this lady wanted her money squandered on electioneering."
With respect to Morris Dancer and others, hair-splitting over the exact wording (in Government vs in office etc.) is a seriously bad idea - it assumes that both the lady and her solicitors and executors are familiar with the minutiae of political wording, which they almost certainly are not. One has to look at the obvious intent.
One broader issue is how this affects the potential for taxpayer funded political parties.
If the argument is made that (rightly or wrongly) this woman's money was spent on 'electioneering', then its very difficult to make the case that taxpayers money should be as well...
yes Pulpstar -it always seems to me strange when 'conventional' religion ridicules or even is aggressive towards non conventional religion saying they are potty or nuts. I don't know what people get up to in religions like scientology but too me its no more nuts that any other religion in terms of what they purport to believe.
Tim Shipman (Mail) @ShippersUnbound 3m BREAKING: Senior Tory sources say they are also paying back the donation to the Treasury!
So...story over..pretty much..
apart from it being further proof that neither of these parties have any scruples about pocketing money under any dubious excuse, shows how far the standards of our leaders have fallen.
SNP MPs are on average the most expensive to the UK taxpayer. Why ?
More economical with the truth Monica. Given that all of them live at the opposite end of the country to Westminster whereas all other parties have MP's in the south , any intelligent person would look at the actual spending and see that they are well down the league in spending , you will find troughers from Labour , Tory and Lib Dems feature exclusively in the top 20. Only an British Nationalist could make the data out to be a negative for the SNP.
Tim Shipman (Mail) @ShippersUnbound 3m BREAKING: Senior Tory sources say they are also paying back the donation to the Treasury!
So...story over..pretty much..
apart from it being further proof that neither of these parties have any scruples about pocketing money under any dubious excuse, shows how far the standards of our leaders have fallen.
SNP MPs are on average the most expensive to the UK taxpayer. Why ?
Tim Shipman (Mail) @ShippersUnbound 3m BREAKING: Senior Tory sources say they are also paying back the donation to the Treasury!
So...story over..pretty much..
apart from it being further proof that neither of these parties have any scruples about pocketing money under any dubious excuse, shows how far the standards of our leaders have fallen.
SNP MPs are on average the most expensive to the UK taxpayer. Why ?
More economical with the truth Monica. Given that all of them live at the opposite end of the country to Westminster whereas all other parties have MP's in the south , any intelligent person would look at the actual spending and see that they are well down the league in spending , you will find troughers from Labour , Tory and Lib Dems feature exclusively in the top 20. Only an British Nationalist could make the data out to be a negative for the SNP.
It's strange that SNP MPs are more expensive than DUP and SDLP MPs.
Good swift damage limitation by both parties. Zac summed it up well: "Zac Goldsmith, said: "This needs to be sorted out now. No one can truly believe this lady wanted her money squandered on electioneering."
With respect to Morris Dancer and others, hair-splitting over the exact wording (in Government vs in office etc.) is a seriously bad idea - it assumes that both the lady and her solicitors and executors are familiar with the minutiae of political wording, which they almost certainly are not. One has to look at the obvious intent.
Perfect.
A bien-pensant posho and lefty Lab PPC agreeing they _really_ know what people are thinking.
no malcolmg I am not happy ,although do not know the full circumstances but can see that it should be for the public purse. I was merely pointing out your partisan attitude when really all politicians of all colours are generally out for themselves
We are in total agreement but on this occasion it is the Tories and LD's that had their hand in the money jar. When it is Labour I will give them the same stick. We are led by pygmies and charlatans nowadays.
no malcolmg I am not happy ,although do not know the full circumstances but can see that it should be for the public purse. I was merely pointing out your partisan attitude when really all politicians of all colours are generally out for themselves
We are in total agreement but on this occasion it is the Tories and LD's that had their hand in the money jar. When it is Labour I will give them the same stick. We are led by pygmies and charlatans nowadays.
I don't recall you mentioning any qualms about the SNP receiving £ 136,000 as a bequest from the estate of Rosheen Napier last year .
great line about what you can say about religion in the 'Alpha papa Alan Partridge' film. 'Sidekick Simon' is talking about islam in a joking way and Alan keeps giving him death eyes to shut him up. When he does he says to him ' Never tell jokes about Muslims , you can tell jokes about Christians and a bit about Jews but never say anything about Muslims' Sort of sums up the confusion about different religions and what is 'in' to talk about and what is not.
Its a good film overall but is Alan getting some human empathy in his old age? He came across as quite likeable and even brave Certainly not the Alan Partridge of the Travel Tavern series . Maybe they were trying to sell the film abroad and needed a more likeable hero as the main character?
@AmberElliottSky Davis Wood Solicitors: "... and it was confirmed by Miss Edwards at the time of her instructions that her estate was to be left to..."
@AmberElliottSky "whichever poltiical party formed the government at the date of her death."
Oops
@JohnRentoul / @joncraig on Sky now quoting Joan Edwards's solicitors saying they checked with her at time & confirmed she wanted bequest to go to party
@OliverCooper So it seems Joan Edwards did intend to leave her estate to political parties. Good work, Labour - you've over-ruled a woman's dying wishes.
So depressing for Mrs Edward's wishes. The Outrage Bus have invalidated her dying wishes. Hope they're all feeling really smug.
Robin Brant @robindbrant davis wood solicitors statement says 'it was confirmed by miss edwards at the time of her instructions that her estate was to be left...
Robin Brant @robindbrant ...to whichever political party formed the government at the date of her death'.
Robin Brant @robindbrant Edwards solicitors say they specifically checked with her about bequest and she said should go to 'whichever political party' formed govt.
Farage interview: The party hoped to come first in next year's UK European Parliament elections while building a stronger base in local government, Farage claimed. Only if these ambitions were fully realised would Farage personally stand again for a parliamentary seat in Westminster. "For us to prosper under the first-past-the-post electoral system, you have to first build up a significant council base at the local level," he said. "I see that as being absolutely key. I am not going to comment or even think too much about it until next May."
Whilst people continue to make idiots of themselves on here, I'd just like to say RIP to the Indian sailors and possibly others who lost their lives on the INS Sindhurakshak last night.
When they find out what happened, I hope they're open about it so lessons can be learnt by other navies.
Surely it is for the executors to decide the interpretation.how assests are distributed? Indeed isn't that the entire function of an executor?
It does look as if the money was split in proportion to the MPs in the coalition.
Clearly neither press or the public like monies being distributed to parties rather than HMG, so it does look as if govt funding of parties is a non starter!
Morris Dancer , I think to quite a lot of people the government and the governing party are the same thing Many people would have the impression that if you give money to the governing party they would then use it to spend on NHS , Somali al queda, trident etc. To many politically unsophisticated people they are the same thing .
I think its clear the intention was to use the money for the public purse but do agree that a competent will writer should know better
@tim A ... [Osborne']s next trick is to use taxpayer subsidies to stoke up house price inflation further so he's pretty much lost the economics plot anyway.
tim
Please would you explain how the Help to Buy schemes, in your view, involve a taxpayer subsidy to the mortgagees.
In your reply, please try to quantify the amount of subsidy. You can use the example of a single mortgage guarantee or equity share if you wish.
The likelihood is that the scheme will end up being a mortgagors'* subsidy to the taxpayer... but lets not let reality get in the way of a tim rift...
* - pedant alert, the home owner is the mortgagor...
When half the pay growth is Osbornes gift people may notice. Particularly if he's stupid enough to go round touting the 2% plus pay increase rather than the 1.1% without his bonus gift.
With 1.1% wages growth and forecast 7% house price inflation his next trick is to use taxpayer subsidies to stoke up house price inflation further so he's pretty much lost the economics plot anyway.
No they won't. All they will see is that wage growth went up to 2.1% and inflation came down to 2.8%. 9/10 people won't look beyond that, including journalists and media companies. Only the likes of CityAM and the FT will actually look at the detail like we do on PB.
Edwards solicitors say they specifically checked with her about bequest and she said should go to 'whichever political party' formed govt.
The moral of this story seems to be 'don't use that firm of solicitors to prepare your will'.
The Moral of the Story is - Don't Believe a Silly Season Outrage Bus Story in the Mail.
I think this whole thing is despicable. The BBC and other gleefully jumping on it - still - her £1/2m has been handed to HM Treasury which isn't what she wanted.
FFS If I had £1/2m I'd burn it first with me in my coffin then let this happen.
monikerdicanio -yes , although not one to moan too much about the BBC , I think adding 'just' is a) insulting its readers a bit and b) a little partisan in this case. The word' just' does not add to the fact in this case
She had a life-long belief in militant nationalism and the use of violence in pursuit it .
Lol, do you want the SNP to give the money to victims of militant Scottish nationalism? Okay, big fat zero on that score, let's use the money for peaceful, civic nationalism.
Did Michael Brown have a life-long belief in fraud and money laundering, or was that a recent thing?
Nobody can predict the market nor know what the taxpayer is on the hook for. If the scheme ends up in 7% house price inflation it'll cost the country a lot more than the various schemes Osborne is using to pump the bubble up
Plato, I think she did not honestly see a difference in giving it to the governing party or the state, thinking it would go to the governing party who would then spend it on nice things like the nhs and trident etc . Just my reading of it . Not everyone is a political sophisticate. I think it has probably been sorted now according to her true wishes . It does show that will writing should improve though!!
@jdportes: "All the new jobs went to immigrants!". In the last quarter foreign-born workers up 135K, British born workers down 15K (1/3)
Are they smart enough to work out why this figure, that they trumpeted loudly when it happened under Labour is total nonsense?
Your two faces on immigration is pathetic,just proves your more interested how labour do than your principles.
Have you noticed the PB Tory stats geniuses aren't mentioning the foreign born element they used to rage about. Funny that.
I'm consistent I pointed out the stupidity of using a number that includes Boris Johnson as a migrant years ago
Funny how you use the stat to prove what labour were saying ,everything what labour was saying on immigration a few days ago went against everything you were against,nothing from you,pathetic.
Mistaking the Mail for the Labour party is surely difficult even for you
yeah, this guy works for the mail...
@johnprescott Well done everyone who shamed Tories & Lib Dems to handback #joanshalfmillion to Treasury.
Even for you, pretending Labour had no part is this is really, really stupid
Labour will now make every effort to distance themselves from this squalid story.
Twitter's most frenzied journalists demanding to know what role Lynton Crosby had and does he have probate clients have fallen completely silent.
The determination to create a story has been revolting - Jim Pickard and Michael Crick being two that spring to mind. Harry Cole is feeling frustrated too.
The Devil makes work for idle hands is never truer. Sky and ITV stayed well clear if my timeline is a measure.
taffys -people working longer and not retiring ? not so many students going to university , part time jobs etc . Working age population is increasing a fair bit I think
Rowena Mason @rowenamason Just got caught in cross fire of ed miliband getting egged. The egg thrower dean porter says labour same as Tories and on side of rich
UK unemployment falls by just 4,000 to 2.51 million
What interests me is that the numbers in work are soaring, but the unemployment numbers aren;t really dropping. doesn;t seem to correlate.
I haven't had time to look at the breakdown but if people who were previously economically inactive are now actively seeking work then the unemployed number will stay high even if the number in work goes up.
Nobody can predict the market nor know what the taxpayer is on the hook for. If the scheme ends up in 7% house price inflation it'll cost the country a lot more than the various schemes Osborne is using to pump the bubble up
Nobody can predict the extra stamp duty collected from increase transactions, nor the trickle down effects for surveyors, IKEA workers and removal men spending their tips down the pub.
It's not an easy sum - like the amount a dead person saves on IHT.
No Mike – the headline story was shameful and baseless - which would have been apparent if the DM had done a basic fact check with the lawyers, acting as executors of the will.
UK unemployment falls by just 4,000 to 2.51 million
What interests me is that the numbers in work are soaring, but the unemployment numbers aren;t really dropping. doesn;t seem to correlate.
That suggests that the unemployed but not claiming or retired are returning. But the long term unemployed/unemployable are as expected difficult to shift.
@jdportes: "All the new jobs went to immigrants!". In the last quarter foreign-born workers up 135K, British born workers down 15K (1/3)
Are they smart enough to work out why this figure, that they trumpeted loudly when it happened under Labour is total nonsense?
Your two faces on immigration is pathetic,just proves your more interested how labour do than your principles.
Have you noticed the PB Tory stats geniuses aren't mentioning the foreign born element they used to rage about. Funny that.
I'm consistent I pointed out the stupidity of using a number that includes Boris Johnson as a migrant years ago
Funny how you use the stat to prove what labour were saying ,everything what labour was saying on immigration a few days ago went against everything you were against,nothing from you,pathetic.
Nothing from me? Bryant was being a Kent, as I said.
Meantime get down on your knees and thank Blair for saving Britain from this
Can they attract enough immigrants and get their birth rate up like we did and save themselves?
On your knees, give thanks.
why would they need to ? They still have 1+million unemployed and are good at automation. They'll adjust quite happily. Only UK wazzocks can't face up to working differently.
OT - heartening growth figures today for Germany and France.
I remember much rejoicing in PBTory land 3 weeks back comparing British growth to stagnant Europe. Germany is actually growing faster. In fact, the whole world is recovering !
Once again Surby, you seem to be having difficulty interpreting figures.
The news from Eurostat on EU growth in Q2 is welcome but we should be cautious when interpreting it.
The quarter on quarter figures show a reversal of the Q1's decline rather than sustained growth:
GDP rose by 0.3% in both the euro area (EA17) and the EU27 during the second quarter of 2013, compared with the previous quarter, according to flash estimates published by Eurostat, the statistical office of the European Union. In the first quarter of 2013, growth rates were -0.3% and -0.1% respectively.
The year on year figures were not so comforting:
Compared with the same quarter of the previous year, seasonally adjusted GDP fell by 0.7% in the euro area and by 0.2% in the EU27 in the second quarter of 2013, after -1.1% and -0.7% respectively in the previous quarter.
This is the reason why Germany Economics Ministry, predicted last week that Q2 growth would be 0.6% but only 0.3% growth for the whole of 2013. Well the first estimate is 0.7% for Q2 but the overall picture remains depressed.
Eurostat compare the EU figures to the US:
During the second quarter of 2013, GDP in the United States grew by 0.4% compared with the previous quarter (after +0.3% in the first quarter of 2013). Compared with the same quarter of the previous year, GDP rose by 1.4% (after +1.3% in the previous quarter).
Eurostat could also have compared the EU aggregrate figures to those of the UK, but didn't. So here are the UK figures from the ONS preliminary estimate of Q2 GDP growth:
GDP was 1.4% higher in Q2 2013 compared with the same quarter a year ago.
With quarterly growth of 0.3% and 0.6%, the UK is currently growing at just above US rates and far above the EU rates. It should be remembered also that the EU 27 figures benefit from the inclusion of the UK's growth.
""That suggests that the unemployed but not claiming or retired are returning. But the long term unemployed/unemployable are as expected difficult to shift.""
You can see why some are perplexed by Carney's jobs target. The economy could be charging along and stoking up inflation and at the same time failing to shift unemployment for reasons that are nothing to do with economics.
UK unemployment falls by just 4,000 to 2.51 million
What interests me is that the numbers in work are soaring, but the unemployment numbers aren;t really dropping. doesn;t seem to correlate.
Coalition importing voters for Labour
@jdportes: "All the new jobs went to immigrants!". In the last quarter foreign-born workers up 135K, British born workers down 15K
Your more of a party man than a principle man,aren't we tim.
If this had been a rightwing pb poster or the tories going on about british born workers,you and your two faces would have been on here posting them down.
Harry Cole @MrHarryCole damn. that is better. RT @JonB_89: #OmniScrambles is by far and away the best thing to come out of this egging... thanks @VMcAVSKY
I find egg throwers tedious whoever the target is . Its bad manners and cowardly not to mention assault. John Prescott irritates me a lot but he was right to come back swinging wen that prat chucked one at him
As I said this morning there would be no way that executors would pay money from a will to someone who was not entitled to it. No matter the Mail, OGH, and many politicians from all sides fell for it. People may think its amazing that someone would want to leave their entire fortune to a political party, but if it is that persons wish then so be it. They should not give the money to the state, this lady wanted them to have it and her wishes should be met, not those of the sniveling jealous losers who somehow thought that two political parties had managed to interfere with the executors of a will and got them to pay them money inappropriately. It simply could not happen.
@jdportes: "All the new jobs went to immigrants!". In the last quarter foreign-born workers up 135K, British born workers down 15K (1/3)
Are they smart enough to work out why this figure, that they trumpeted loudly when it happened under Labour is total nonsense?
Your two faces on immigration is pathetic,just proves your more interested how labour do than your principles.
Have you noticed the PB Tory stats geniuses aren't mentioning the foreign born element they used to rage about. Funny that.
I'm consistent I pointed out the stupidity of using a number that includes Boris Johnson as a migrant years ago
Funny how you use the stat to prove what labour were saying ,everything what labour was saying on immigration a few days ago went against everything you were against,nothing from you,pathetic.
Nothing from me? Bryant was being a Kent, as I said.
Meantime get down on your knees and thank Blair for saving Britain from this
Can they attract enough immigrants and get their birth rate up like we did and save themselves?
On your knees, give thanks.
No tim, not Bryant being a 'Kent' - it was a speech being given for and on behalf of the Labour Party. Shameful that they have parked their metaphorical Go Home bus outside a Dagenham distribution centre. But there you go - the no jobs for immigrants Party that you support.
plato -what would have done Edward Miliband's image a power of good was if he had done a Prescott on the thrower (assuming it was a man, if it was a woman calling her a stupid 'cow' would be ok and amount to the same thing) -To see him say ' come on then you fancy some' would have put him 15% clear in the polls imho
As I said this morning there would be no way that executors would pay money from a will to someone who was not entitled to it. No matter the Mail, OGH, and many politicians from all sides fell for it. People may think its amazing that someone would want to leave their entire fortune to a political party, but if it is that persons wish then so be it. They should not give the money to the state, this lady wanted them to have it and her wishes should be met, not those of the sniveling jealous losers who somehow thought that two political parties had managed to interfere with the executors of a will and got them to pay them money inappropriately. It simply could not happen.
"People may think its amazing that someone would want to leave their entire fortune to a political party"
But she didn't leave it to a specific political party. That's what is completely bizarre.
We'll probably never know what her motivation was when she wrote her will, but the probability that she decided to bet part of her estate on a game of electoral cycle roulette has to be pretty low - whatever the solicitors say.
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It is no more or less fantastical than the Norse, Celtic, Egyptian, Greek or Roman pantheons.
I cannot believe a cheque for close to half a million just dropped on the mat and no explanation. It has already been stated that Government departments etc were contacted.
There's another line of thought that dreams are vital for us to function healthily. But that leads us into a whole new area of nutjobbery and quack science.
AIUI one of the problems is the differences between the greyware of our brains and the hardware of neural nets. Just because we are making something that behaves similarly, does not mean that it's the same.
At which point, I'm really getting out of my depth.
If the argument is made that (rightly or wrongly) this woman's money was spent on 'electioneering', then its very difficult to make the case that taxpayers money should be as well...
A bien-pensant posho and lefty Lab PPC agreeing they _really_ know what people are thinking.
'Sidekick Simon' is talking about islam in a joking way and Alan keeps giving him death eyes to shut him up. When he does he says to him ' Never tell jokes about Muslims , you can tell jokes about Christians and a bit about Jews but never say anything about Muslims' Sort of sums up the confusion about different religions and what is 'in' to talk about and what is not.
Its a good film overall but is Alan getting some human empathy in his old age? He came across as quite likeable and even brave Certainly not the Alan Partridge of the Travel Tavern series . Maybe they were trying to sell the film abroad and needed a more likeable hero as the main character?
Davis Wood Solicitors: "... and it was confirmed by Miss Edwards at the time of her instructions that her estate was to be left to..."
@AmberElliottSky
"whichever poltiical party formed the government at the date of her death."
Oops
@JohnRentoul
/ @joncraig on Sky now quoting Joan Edwards's solicitors saying they checked with her at time & confirmed she wanted bequest to go to party
@OliverCooper
So it seems Joan Edwards did intend to leave her estate to political parties. Good work, Labour - you've over-ruled a woman's dying wishes.
Robin Brant @robindbrant
davis wood solicitors statement says 'it was confirmed by miss edwards at the time of her instructions that her estate was to be left...
Robin Brant @robindbrant
...to whichever political party formed the government at the date of her death'.
Robin Brant @robindbrant
Edwards solicitors say they specifically checked with her about bequest and she said should go to 'whichever political party' formed govt.
The party hoped to come first in next year's UK European Parliament elections while building a stronger base in local government, Farage claimed. Only if these ambitions were fully realised would Farage personally stand again for a parliamentary seat in Westminster. "For us to prosper under the first-past-the-post electoral system, you have to first build up a significant council base at the local level," he said. "I see that as being absolutely key. I am not going to comment or even think too much about it until next May."
Read more: http://www.publicserviceeurope.com/article/3935/britain-needs-an-australian-style-approach-to-immigration
@johnprescott
Well done everyone who shamed Tories & Lib Dems to handback #joanshalfmillion to Treasury.
Even for you, pretending Labour had no part is this is really, really stupid
When they find out what happened, I hope they're open about it so lessons can be learnt by other navies.
... [Osborne']s next trick is to use taxpayer subsidies to stoke up house price inflation further so he's pretty much lost the economics plot anyway.
tim
Please would you explain how the Help to Buy schemes, in your view, involve a taxpayer subsidy to the mortgagees.
In your reply, please try to quantify the amount of subsidy. You can use the example of a single mortgage guarantee or equity share if you wish.
It does look as if the money was split in proportion to the MPs in the coalition.
Clearly neither press or the public like monies being distributed to parties rather than HMG, so it does look as if govt funding of parties is a non starter!
* - pedant alert, the home owner is the mortgagor...
UK unemployment falls by just 4,000 to 2.51 million
Can you imagine the headline ;
Just 4,000 jobs losses.
Or
Just 4,000 dead in earthquake.
Disgraceful journalism.
I think this whole thing is despicable. The BBC and other gleefully jumping on it - still - her £1/2m has been handed to HM Treasury which isn't what she wanted.
FFS If I had £1/2m I'd burn it first with me in my coffin then let this happen.
Did Michael Brown have a life-long belief in fraud and money laundering, or was that a recent thing?
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The determination to create a story has been revolting - Jim Pickard and Michael Crick being two that spring to mind. Harry Cole is feeling frustrated too.
The Devil makes work for idle hands is never truer. Sky and ITV stayed well clear if my timeline is a measure.
QUICK LOOK OVER THERE EGYPT
What interests me is that the numbers in work are soaring, but the unemployment numbers aren;t really dropping. doesn;t seem to correlate.
Ed Miliband gets egged during a visit to East Street Market in London.
He might make the evening news now
Just got caught in cross fire of ed miliband getting egged. The egg thrower dean porter says labour same as Tories and on side of rich
It's not an easy sum - like the amount a dead person saves on IHT.
No Mike – the headline story was shameful and baseless - which would have been apparent if the DM had done a basic fact check with the lawyers, acting as executors of the will.
May I suggest the "Peru Two" or "The Charlie Angels"
The news from Eurostat on EU growth in Q2 is welcome but we should be cautious when interpreting it.
The quarter on quarter figures show a reversal of the Q1's decline rather than sustained growth:
GDP rose by 0.3% in both the euro area (EA17) and the EU27 during the second quarter of 2013, compared with the previous quarter, according to flash estimates published by Eurostat, the statistical office of the European Union. In the first quarter of 2013, growth rates were -0.3% and -0.1% respectively.
The year on year figures were not so comforting:
Compared with the same quarter of the previous year, seasonally adjusted GDP fell by 0.7% in the euro area and by 0.2% in the EU27 in the second quarter of 2013, after -1.1% and -0.7% respectively in the previous quarter.
This is the reason why Germany Economics Ministry, predicted last week that Q2 growth would be 0.6% but only 0.3% growth for the whole of 2013. Well the first estimate is 0.7% for Q2 but the overall picture remains depressed.
Eurostat compare the EU figures to the US:
During the second quarter of 2013, GDP in the United States grew by 0.4% compared with the previous quarter (after +0.3% in the first quarter of 2013). Compared with the same quarter of the previous year, GDP rose by 1.4% (after +1.3% in the previous quarter).
Eurostat could also have compared the EU aggregrate figures to those of the UK, but didn't. So here are the UK figures from the ONS preliminary estimate of Q2 GDP growth:
GDP was 1.4% higher in Q2 2013 compared with the same quarter a year ago.
With quarterly growth of 0.3% and 0.6%, the UK is currently growing at just above US rates and far above the EU rates. It should be remembered also that the EU 27 figures benefit from the inclusion of the UK's growth.
Egg Miliband should really shell out for better security or ovoid going out in public.
Prince Charles takes all the intestate money in Cornwall
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/01/prince-charles-intestate-cash-cornwall
You can see why some are perplexed by Carney's jobs target. The economy could be charging along and stoking up inflation and at the same time failing to shift unemployment for reasons that are nothing to do with economics.
Remember his incident with John Prescott?
If this had been a rightwing pb poster or the tories going on about british born workers,you and your two faces would have been on here posting them down.
damn. that is better. RT @JonB_89: #OmniScrambles is by far and away the best thing to come out of this egging... thanks @VMcAVSKY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XTiI1e-wVc
Growing demands for Ed Miliband to throw off the yoke of capitalism
That's actually pretty funny from Owen Jones...
A neighbour of mine in the 1980s left his estate to the SDP...
Which are two positions I wouldn't have put together...
The only mass produced car to be made in Scotland (at the Linwood plant).
A protestor has thrown an egg at Ed Miliband. Labour spinning this well: "at least this shows that somebody knows who he is."
Glad the tories and lib dems changed their minds over the money.
Ed gets wedgied by less swotty class mates.
Ed gets head flushed down the toilet by bigger boys.
Ed returns from cross country mysteriously covered in mud.
Ed finds kecks have been thrown into the shower after PE.
I couldn't possibly comment.
But she didn't leave it to a specific political party. That's what is completely bizarre.
We'll probably never know what her motivation was when she wrote her will, but the probability that she decided to bet part of her estate on a game of electoral cycle roulette has to be pretty low - whatever the solicitors say.
Agreed – As a side note, I constantly find the quick wit of punters far more chuckle worthy than any so called stand-up comedian.
http://order-order.com/2013/08/14/live-egg-miliband/
albumen well think of something before the day's out:))