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    YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    Mr. City, how would that work regarding the position of PM?

    6 months rotation bit like the EU .
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    JonathanD said:

    Charles said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    stevef said:

    David Davis looked old and tired and uninspiring in Brussells today -hardlyprime ministerial. I cant remember a time when political leaders of ALL parties (for a Corbyn government would be a disaster, not least for the Labour brand) looked more jaded, uninspiring and dull.

    Yes good point I thought he looked weary at the podium.

    As for Tezza's refenestration, I agree with @DavidL. The moment has passed for her to go. Listening to her talking about Finsbury Park, however, was grating in the extreme. That same monotone tin ear to the public's requirements (for a competent, listening PM). Not expecting or wanting her to break down in tears, but just a bit of modulation and empathy is very much urgently needed.
    I don't depart from my position that she is terrible and should have gone. She seems incapable of dealing with ordinary people. She has repeatedly shown very poor judgment. Her policy of simply not answering questions or blaming others may have worked in the Home Office but is completely disastrous as PM. There is a total absence of leadership.

    But we need to get on. Today is the start of a very important process for which we seem poorly prepared (not least because our PM was coming out with rubbish like "a red white and blue Brexit" when she should have been addressing the hard questions) and we need to get on with it.

    I would hope that there will be a quick agreement about the preservation of existing rights of EU citizens and UK citizens within a few days so we can start to get a more positive spin on things. I think we should also be clear that Eire will remain in a free travel zone with the UK post Brexit in exactly the same way as the Isle of Man is despite not being in the EU. So a very soft border. The money...that will be a bit trickier.
    To be fair to May (much as that grates) the "red, white and blue Brexit" was the answer to a journalist asking whether she preferred a "black, white or gray Brexit".
    Just underlines how useless May is at getting at engaging with people and getting a message across. Corbyn's 'a workers Brexit, not a Bankers Brexit' was just as vague and incoherent but far better at reassuring voters.
    What she said was "a red, white and blue Brexit that works for everyone in the UK". It's a perfectly reasonable response to a stupid question and as a statement of her objective. Admittedly a little broad brush and lacking in some of the detail
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,543
    Personally, I would be delighted in Mandelson got involved in the Brexit negotiations. I think he would have a lot to offer, not just experience in how the Commission works but a personal network of contacts and back channels that could really help. He is the premier political negotiator of his generation. The premier one of the next looks, unfortunately, beyond reach as long as May hangs on.

    I hope David Davis says yes. It would be in the national interest to do so.
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928

    Charles said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    stevef said:

    David Davis looked old and tired and uninspiring in Brussells today -hardlyprime ministerial. I cant remember a time when political leaders of ALL parties (for a Corbyn government would be a disaster, not least for the Labour brand) looked more jaded, uninspiring and dull.

    Yes good point I thought he looked weary at the podium.

    As for Tezza's refenestration, I agree with @DavidL. The moment has passed for her to go. Listening to her talking about Finsbury Park, however, was grating in the extreme. That same monotone tin ear to the public's requirements (for a competent, listening PM). Not expecting or wanting her to break down in tears, but just a bit of modulation and empathy is very much urgently needed.
    I don't depart from my position that she is terrible and should have gone. She seems incapable of dealing with ordinary people. She has repeatedly shown very poor judgment. Her policy of simply not answering questions or blaming others may have worked in the Home Office but is completely disastrous as PM. There is a total absence of leadership.

    But we need to get on. Today is the start of a very important process for which we seem poorly prepared (not least because our PM was coming out with rubbish like "a red white and blue Brexit" when she should have been addressing the hard questions) and we need to get on with it.

    I would hope that there will be a quick agreement about the preservation of existing rights of EU citizens and UK citizens within a few days so we can start to get a more positive spin on things. I think we should also be clear that Eire will remain in a free travel zone with the UK post Brexit in exactly the same way as the Isle of Man is despite not being in the EU. So a very soft border. The money...that will be a bit trickier.
    To be fair to May (much as that grates) the "red, white and blue Brexit" was the answer to a journalist asking whether she preferred a "black, white or gray Brexit".
    That actually made sense: she meant a bespoke model for the UK, not an off-the-shelf one like EEA, or EFTA.
    It made no sense at all, except in your dreams.

    I was meaningless verbal spam, along with Brexit Means Brexit, and a host of other vacuous platitudes she has regaled us with over the past 11 months.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,031
    edited June 2017
    Mr. City, the opaque and complex governance structures of the EU are not to be emulated in a country that wishes to be a democracy.

    Also, alternating leadership didn't work very well for the Romans at Cannae or Arausio.

    Edited extra bit: Arausio was also divided, to be fair.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited June 2017

    Alistair said:

    My strong and stable mug has arrived.

    Do you intend to fill it with weak and watery tea?
    I'm going to place an Orange in it, tip it on it's side, take a picture and post it on twitter with the caption "Not so stable after all" and then wait for hundreds of likes and retweets.

    Take that Marf.
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    YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    DavidL said:

    Personally, I would be delighted in Mandelson got involved in the Brexit negotiations. I think he would have a lot to offer, not just experience in how the Commission works but a personal network of contacts and back channels that could really help. He is the premier political negotiator of his generation. The premier one of the next looks, unfortunately, beyond reach as long as May hangs on.

    I hope David Davis says yes. It would be in the national interest to do so.

    Totally agree.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    The Conservative party's trouble is that there's a consensus that Theresa May's time is past but there is no agreement who is the obvious successor. That lack of agreement is by itself enough to keep her in place.

    If you were a Conservative, you would have to hope that the party grandees are bashing heads together as we speak.

    What party grandees? Tebbit? Howard?

    The only one with any track record is Major
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    YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    Mr. C, :p

    I've made a couple of silly errors in recent months, so you're not alone.

    Mandelson receives an EU pension, which I believe has a condition of not doing anything contrary to EU interests. He's a smart fellow. But not a trustworthy one.

    I believe the civil service thought he was a very competent minister.
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    LadyBucketLadyBucket Posts: 590
    felix said:

    Blue_rog said:

    stevef said:

    So we have Theresa May who sounds like a Thatcher android, Phillip Hammond who makes John Major sound interesting, David Davis, an aging right winger, Boris Johnson, a posturing buffoon, and in the wings, Jeremy Corbyn, a near septuanarian Casto-ite in a Lenin cap. God help us all.

    But we tried young, fresh faced, go getters and look where that got us. Why can't we go back to boring politics where you have grey efficient people who don't want to be in the limelight all the time, or prance about on the world's stage.
    Because the media want to see pictures of people not shaking hands with Donald Trump, etc., etc.,. We truly get the politicians we deserve.

    I still believe Theresa May is the best person for the job, at this particular time. I believe her experience coming from councillor, through the Tory ranks and six years in the Home Office is invaluable.

    Just because she won't emote in front of the cameras, is to her credit. If the witch-hunt against her continues, then I believe it will work in her favour. There are some fundamentally decent people in this country and they won't like the media's treatment of her.

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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,875
    edited June 2017
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Yorkcity said:

    Mr. City, how would that work regarding the position of PM?

    6 months rotation bit like the EU .
    The fact that the EU is currently in chaos - one if it's members has just quit - means that a 6 month rotation obviously isn't very strong or stable.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,051
    AIUI, 15% of Tory mp's are needed for a no confidence vote. Do these letters "remain on file", or are they time limited? ie, suppose a letter has been received, will that count in 6 months, 2 years, etc.. Can they be withdrawn? Also, does Mr.Brady have any discretion, or is he bound by pure numbers?
    Thx if you can answer this.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,852
    GeoffM said:

    nunu said:

    This thread explains why Darce and Murdoch put out their bile. Edit:before some genius points out that Louisiana is not in Britain you are meant to extrapolate.

    https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/876352524936237056

    What is Noah's point?
    Is he claiming the EITC *isn't* gamed?
    He's obviously lobbed the "black" thing in there for extra Lefty Points.
    But as FF43 thinks I'm a slave trader (see previous thread) who cares.
    I was making the point that people see liberty in different ways. For example the Confederate Party in the American Civil War were prepared to fight for the freedom to own slaves, (while those in the North saw not being a slave as the bigger freedom). I expressed my point clumsily but am happy to reassure you I don't think you are a slave trader.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,031
    Mr. City, I'm not questioning Mandelson's competence, I'm just wondering whose interests he would be serving.

    It's a shame, because I do think he has the intelligence to help things progress well.
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    LadyBucketLadyBucket Posts: 590
    Keir Starmer on SKY and BBC - Labour still all over the place on Brexit. There was not exactly forensic questioning from either channel.
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    PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,274
    Blue_rog said:

    stevef said:

    So we have Theresa May who sounds like a Thatcher android, Phillip Hammond who makes John Major sound interesting, David Davis, an aging right winger, Boris Johnson, a posturing buffoon, and in the wings, Jeremy Corbyn, a near septuanarian Casto-ite in a Lenin cap. God help us all.

    But we tried young, fresh faced, go getters and look where that got us. Why can't we go back to boring politics where you have grey efficient people who don't want to be in the limelight all the time, or prance about on the world's stage.
    Greyness is fine. The case against Mrs May is not the colour of her hair but her judgement. There are few certainties in today's politics, but one of them is that the DUP would never allow Corbyn to be PM.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,817

    Charles said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    stevef said:

    David Davis looked old and tired and uninspiring in Brussells today -hardlyprime ministerial. I cant remember a time when political leaders of ALL parties (for a Corbyn government would be a disaster, not least for the Labour brand) looked more jaded, uninspiring and dull.

    Yes good point I thought he looked weary at the podium.

    As for Tezza's refenestration, I agree with @DavidL. The moment has passed for her to go. Listening to her talking about Finsbury Park, however, was grating in the extreme. That same monotone tin ear to the public's requirements (for a competent, listening PM). Not expecting or wanting her to break down in tears, but just a bit of modulation and empathy is very much urgently needed.
    I don't depart from my position that she is terrible and should have gone. She seems incapable of dealing with ordinary people. She has repeatedly shown very poor judgment. Her policy of simply not answering questions or blaming others may have worked in the Home Office but is completely disastrous as PM. There is a total absence of leadership.

    But we need to get on. Today is the start of a very important process for which we seem poorly prepared (not least because our PM was coming out with rubbish like "a red white and blue Brexit" when she should have been addressing the hard questions) and we need to get on with it.

    I would hope that there will be a quick agreement about the preservation of existing rights of EU citizens and UK citizens within a few days so we can start to get a more positive spin on things. I think we should also be clear that Eire will remain in a free travel zone with the UK post Brexit in exactly the same way as the Isle of Man is despite not being in the EU. So a very soft border. The money...that will be a bit trickier.
    To be fair to May (much as that grates) the "red, white and blue Brexit" was the answer to a journalist asking whether she preferred a "black, white or gray Brexit".
    That actually made sense: she meant a bespoke model for the UK, not an off-the-shelf one like EEA, or EFTA.
    It made no sense at all, except in your dreams.

    I was meaningless verbal spam, along with Brexit Means Brexit, and a host of other vacuous platitudes she has regaled us with over the past 11 months.
    An empty and vacuous post entirely in keeping with your valueless contributions to this site.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,987
    Scott_P said:
    But his hand off!! Won't happen, though. A real shame.

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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,552
    Yorkcity said:

    DavidL said:

    Personally, I would be delighted in Mandelson got involved in the Brexit negotiations. I think he would have a lot to offer, not just experience in how the Commission works but a personal network of contacts and back channels that could really help. He is the premier political negotiator of his generation. The premier one of the next looks, unfortunately, beyond reach as long as May hangs on.

    I hope David Davis says yes. It would be in the national interest to do so.

    Totally agree.
    I think somehow the Cons need to get their feet back on the ground. I'm not sure I see anyone who would be in a position to do that for them of the current group. We thought it would be Tezza and it seems that she lacked the human touch. Others on the front bench just don't seem likely to be able to connect with human beings. No matter how competent, or not.

    The irony of course is that Peter Mandleson is as far removed from the common person as it is possible to imagine, and yet...and yet...
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,543
    Yorkcity said:

    Mr. C, :p

    I've made a couple of silly errors in recent months, so you're not alone.

    Mandelson receives an EU pension, which I believe has a condition of not doing anything contrary to EU interests. He's a smart fellow. But not a trustworthy one.

    I believe the civil service thought he was a very competent minister.
    When Gordon Brown swallowed his pride and brought back Mandelson to be DPM he effectively ran the country for several months during an extremely difficult time with a completely dysfunctional government notionally led by someone incapable of making a decision. So he has relevant experience there too.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,031
    Anyway, it's a bit humid and unpleasant, so I'm off.

    Be interesting to see what the Government say to Lord Mandelson's offer.

    Apparently they were going to go for Charlie Falconer, but he resigned.
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    PAWPAW Posts: 1,074
    "PETER MANDELSON could be called back to Brussels to answer questions about his relationship with Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska during his time as the EU’s Trade Commissioner."

    Perhaps we should ask Oleg Deripaska for advice on EU negotations?
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,951
    I just heard someone say that as a Muslim she's scared to walk down the street not knowing what the person walking towards her might do. It occured to me probably not half as much as the person walking towards her.

    I remember when people were worried when they heard an Irish axccent and when they banned bins in public places..

    I'm afraid we're approaching a time when people are going to have to stop wearing religious uniforms particularly those that cover their face. Diversity's a great thing but as a society we're in danger of fracturing
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Would be happy with any of those six apart from Hammond.
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928

    Anyway, it's a bit humid and unpleasant, so I'm off.

    Be interesting to see what the Government say to Lord Mandelson's offer.

    Apparently they were going to go for Charlie Falconer, but he resigned.

    Chortle :)
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Yorkcity said:

    Mr. C, :p

    I've made a couple of silly errors in recent months, so you're not alone.

    Mandelson receives an EU pension, which I believe has a condition of not doing anything contrary to EU interests. He's a smart fellow. But not a trustworthy one.

    I believe the civil service thought he was a very competent minister.
    That phrase surprises me, as "very competent" immediately makes me think of Sir Humphrey Appleby meaning "house trained".

    I agree with others on this thread that he is frighteningly competent at what he does. But let us not forget that what he does now is serve, by contract and for payment, the interests of the EU.

    I'm utterly astonished that if DavidL is indeed a lawyer (my recollection may be faulty) he misses that vital point.
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,151
    Roger said:

    I just heard someone say that as a Muslim she's scared to walk down the street not knowing what the person walking towards her might do. It occured to me probably not half as much as the person walking towards her.

    Try putting "Jew" in there instead of Muslim and see how it sounds.
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928

    Charles said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    stevef said:

    David Davis looked old and tired and uninspiring in Brussells today -hardlyprime ministerial. I cant remember a time when political leaders of ALL parties (for a Corbyn government would be a disaster, not least for the Labour brand) looked more jaded, uninspiring and dull.

    Yes good point I thought he looked weary at the podium.

    As for Tezza's refenestration, I agree with @DavidL. The moment has passed for her to go. Listening to her talking about Finsbury Park, however, was grating in the extreme. That same monotone tin ear to the public's requirements (for a competent, listening PM). Not expecting or wanting her to break down in tears, but just a bit of modulation and empathy is very much urgently needed.
    I don't depart from my position that she is terrible and should have gone. She seems incapable of dealing with ordinary people. She has repeatedly shown very poor judgment. Her policy of simply not answering questions or blaming others may have worked in the Home Office but is completely disastrous as PM. There is a total absence of leadership.

    But we need to get on. Today is the start of a very important process for which we seem poorly prepared (not least because our PM was coming out with rubbish like "a red white and blue Brexit" when she should have been addressing the hard questions) and we need to get on with it.

    I would hope that there will be a quick agreement about the preservation of existing rights of EU citizens and UK citizens within a few days so we can start to get a more positive spin on things. I think we should also be clear that Eire will remain in a free travel zone with the UK post Brexit in exactly the same way as the Isle of Man is despite not being in the EU. So a very soft border. The money...that will be a bit trickier.
    To be fair to May (much as that grates) the "red, white and blue Brexit" was the answer to a journalist asking whether she preferred a "black, white or gray Brexit".
    That actually made sense: she meant a bespoke model for the UK, not an off-the-shelf one like EEA, or EFTA.
    It made no sense at all, except in your dreams.

    I was meaningless verbal spam, along with Brexit Means Brexit, and a host of other vacuous platitudes she has regaled us with over the past 11 months.
    An empty and vacuous post entirely in keeping with your valueless contributions to this site.
    Brilliant. Well done.

    Go to bed.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,552
    Roger said:

    I just heard someone say that as a Muslim she's scared to walk down the street not knowing what the person walking towards her might do. It occured to me probably not half as much as the person walking towards her.

    I remember when people were worried when they heard an Irish axccent and when they banned bins in public places..

    I'm afraid we're approaching a time when people are going to have to stop wearing religious uniforms particularly those that cover their face. Diversity's a great thing but as a society we're in danger of fracturing

    What have you done with Roger?
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,048
    Roger said:

    I just heard someone say that as a Muslim she's scared to walk down the street not knowing what the person walking towards her might do. It occured to me probably not half as much as the person walking towards her.

    I remember when people were worried when they heard an Irish axccent and when they banned bins in public places..

    I'm afraid we're approaching a time when people are going to have to stop wearing religious uniforms particularly those that cover their face. Diversity's a great thing but as a society we're in danger of fracturing

    Who are you and what have you done with Roger?

    In all seriousness, I have never ever seen someone coming towards me of a different colour or wearing a niqab etc and for one moment worried about what they might do, at least not in Britain.

    I have on the other hand walked across the market square of our local town on regular occasions and seen gangs of youths, both black and white and worried what they might do.

    Being afraid of a muslim in the street is about as sensible as being afraid of a red car on the motorway. Yes there is a tiny chance they may do something stupid but it is entirely unrelated to what colour they are.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,552
    Chris said:

    Roger said:

    I just heard someone say that as a Muslim she's scared to walk down the street not knowing what the person walking towards her might do. It occured to me probably not half as much as the person walking towards her.

    Try putting "Jew" in there instead of Muslim and see how it sounds.
    It sounds ridiculous because when was the last Jewish suicide attack targeting children at a pop concert in England?
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    The big news today getting missed somewhat due to events is Russia threatening US and coalition planes West of the Euphrates. Nuclear oblivion always looked pretty unappealing when I was a kiddie , not the greatest thrill in the world to see it rear it's head. Civil unrest, nuclear oblivion or yellowstone about to pop, take your pick of poison.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,040

    The big news today getting missed somewhat due to events is Russia threatening US and coalition planes West of the Euphrates. Nuclear oblivion always looked pretty unappealing when I was a kiddie , not the greatest thrill in the world to see it rear it's head. Civil unrest, nuclear oblivion or yellowstone about to pop, take your pick of poison.

    Yellowstone would sort global warming out for a few years.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,739

    felix said:

    Blue_rog said:

    stevef said:

    So we have Theresa May who sounds like a Thatcher android, Phillip Hammond who makes John Major sound interesting, David Davis, an aging right winger, Boris Johnson, a posturing buffoon, and in the wings, Jeremy Corbyn, a near septuanarian Casto-ite in a Lenin cap. God help us all.

    But we tried young, fresh faced, go getters and look where that got us. Why can't we go back to boring politics where you have grey efficient people who don't want to be in the limelight all the time, or prance about on the world's stage.
    Because the media want to see pictures of people not shaking hands with Donald Trump, etc., etc.,. We truly get the politicians we deserve.

    I still believe Theresa May is the best person for the job, at this particular time. I believe her experience coming from councillor, through the Tory ranks and six years in the Home Office is invaluable.

    Just because she won't emote in front of the cameras, is to her credit. If the witch-hunt against her continues, then I believe it will work in her favour. There are some fundamentally decent people in this country and they won't like the media's treatment of her.

    Don't you think that her judgement is a little suspect?
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Pulpstar said:

    The big news today getting missed somewhat due to events is Russia threatening US and coalition planes West of the Euphrates. Nuclear oblivion always looked pretty unappealing when I was a kiddie , not the greatest thrill in the world to see it rear it's head. Civil unrest, nuclear oblivion or yellowstone about to pop, take your pick of poison.

    Yellowstone would sort global warming out for a few years.
    And take 100 million off the population of the USA alongside making it unlivable and destroying the bread basket. The US has a deal with Brazil, Argentina and Australia to house it's citizens in the event of a super eruption before 2024, the chance of an eruption this century is rated at 10%. It's the one we have absolutely no control over either.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    We should remember that May faced many scandels/crises during her time at the Home Office against the formidable shadow of Yevette Cooper. she survived all of those pretty easily.

    Maybe we are underestimating her.
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    RhubarbRhubarb Posts: 359
    edited June 2017


    The US has a deal with Brazil, Argentina and Australia to house it's citizens in the event of a super eruption before 2024, the chance of an eruption this century is rated at 10%.

    Really? Can you point out somewhere with more details?
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    PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,274

    felix said:

    Blue_rog said:

    stevef said:

    So we have Theresa May who sounds like a Thatcher android, Phillip Hammond who makes John Major sound interesting, David Davis, an aging right winger, Boris Johnson, a posturing buffoon, and in the wings, Jeremy Corbyn, a near septuanarian Casto-ite in a Lenin cap. God help us all.

    But we tried young, fresh faced, go getters and look where that got us. Why can't we go back to boring politics where you have grey efficient people who don't want to be in the limelight all the time, or prance about on the world's stage.
    Because the media want to see pictures of people not shaking hands with Donald Trump, etc., etc.,. We truly get the politicians we deserve.

    I still believe Theresa May is the best person for the job, at this particular time. I believe her experience coming from councillor, through the Tory ranks and six years in the Home Office is invaluable.

    Just because she won't emote in front of the cameras, is to her credit. If the witch-hunt against her continues, then I believe it will work in her favour. There are some fundamentally decent people in this country and they won't like the media's treatment of her.

    Don't you think that her judgement is a little suspect?
    It certainly has been over the past 11 months. But she must either go now or the party must back her 100%.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,241

    The big news today getting missed somewhat due to events is Russia threatening US and coalition planes West of the Euphrates. Nuclear oblivion always looked pretty unappealing when I was a kiddie , not the greatest thrill in the world to see it rear it's head. Civil unrest, nuclear oblivion or yellowstone about to pop, take your pick of poison.

    IMO another Carrington Event is the biggest natural catastrophe that is likely to hit us. Our modern civilisation is really susceptible to another occurrence, and they happen frequently (last one in 2012, but it missed the Earth).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Rhubarb said:


    The US has a deal with Brazil, Argentina and Australia to house it's citizens in the event of a super eruption before 2024, the chance of an eruption this century is rated at 10%.

    Really? Can you point out somewhere with more details?
    The DM seems to think it's a bit TinFoil Hat ....but coming from them...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2623684/Conspiracy-theories-claim-US-government-working-secret-evacuation-plan-case-Yellowstone-megavolcano-erupts.html

    For those who enjoy such things (like me) Harry Turtledove has wriitten a trilogy Supervolcano which looks at how evacuation would be ulikely and post eruption survival really difficult.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    DavidL said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Mr. C, :p

    I've made a couple of silly errors in recent months, so you're not alone.

    Mandelson receives an EU pension, which I believe has a condition of not doing anything contrary to EU interests. He's a smart fellow. But not a trustworthy one.

    I believe the civil service thought he was a very competent minister.
    When Gordon Brown swallowed his pride and brought back Mandelson to be DPM he effectively ran the country for several months during an extremely difficult time with a completely dysfunctional government notionally led by someone incapable of making a decision. So he has relevant experience there too.
    Mandelson for Tory leader? A whole new meaning to the phrase "Red Tories" :D:D

    Having said that, he would probably do the job better than the current shower and bear in mind that I do not like Mandelson. I met him once. It was enough for a life time.
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Rhubarb said:


    The US has a deal with Brazil, Argentina and Australia to house it's citizens in the event of a super eruption before 2024, the chance of an eruption this century is rated at 10%.

    Really? Can you point out somewhere with more details?
    I might be victim of conspiracy here, I'd read it recently. Source is from 2014 where the Praag news agency in South Africa say the ANC govt turned down 10 billion for housing US Citizens in the event of a super eruption but that the other 3 mentioned had accepted. It was reported in the Daily Mail (I know I know) as a conspiracy theory. Zero hedge linked to the story on twitter this weekend. Looks like the next ten years and eruption this century are drawn from comments by grey haired superphysicist Michio Kaku.
    An eruption is overdue however but in geological terms that's any time in the next few tens of thousands of years.
    Looks like I got overexcited by zero hedge, not for the first time.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    DavidL said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Mr. C, :p

    I've made a couple of silly errors in recent months, so you're not alone.

    Mandelson receives an EU pension, which I believe has a condition of not doing anything contrary to EU interests. He's a smart fellow. But not a trustworthy one.

    I believe the civil service thought he was a very competent minister.
    When Gordon Brown swallowed his pride and brought back Mandelson to be DPM he effectively ran the country for several months during an extremely difficult time with a completely dysfunctional government notionally led by someone incapable of making a decision. So he has relevant experience there too.
    Mandelson for Tory leader? A whole new meaning to the phrase "Red Tories" :D:D

    Having said that, he would probably do the job better than the current shower and bear in mind that I do not like Mandelson. I met him once. It was enough for a life time.
    Is his opinion of you also on public record?
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,951
    edited June 2017
    Chris said:

    Roger said:

    I just heard someone say that as a Muslim she's scared to walk down the street not knowing what the person walking towards her might do. It occured to me probably not half as much as the person walking towards her.

    Try putting "Jew" in there instead of Muslim and see how it sounds.
    I was really not being prejudiced and I don't fear walking past anyone least of all someone in a niqab. But if a Muslim can come on the radio and say they're genuinely scared of the way people look at her and she fears what they might do to her then something has to be done.

    I could have suggested that the person walking towards her changed the way they walked but that wouldn't be possible. But there's something seriously wrong if people now fear their neibours because of how they look. So perhaps the solution is everyone stops wearing uniforms
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Rhubarb said:


    The US has a deal with Brazil, Argentina and Australia to house it's citizens in the event of a super eruption before 2024, the chance of an eruption this century is rated at 10%.

    Really? Can you point out somewhere with more details?
    I might be victim of conspiracy here, I'd read it recently. Source is from 2014 where the Praag news agency in South Africa say the ANC govt turned down 10 billion for housing US Citizens in the event of a super eruption but that the other 3 mentioned had accepted. It was reported in the Daily Mail (I know I know) as a conspiracy theory. Zero hedge linked to the story on twitter this weekend. Looks like the next ten years and eruption this century are drawn from comments by grey haired superphysicist Michio Kaku.
    An eruption is overdue however but in geological terms that's any time in the next few tens of thousands of years.
    Looks like I got overexcited by zero hedge, not for the first time.
    The Praag thing is here (linked from the DM site I gave a few comments ago)

    An online translator will get you the gist if you want to read the source rather than the DM hack-job.

    http://praag.co.za/?p=23549
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    Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    I've mentioned it before but catastophic collapse of the sea bed methane clathrates would do much good for global warming.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_methane_emissions#Clathrate_breakdown
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    The big news today getting missed somewhat due to events is Russia threatening US and coalition planes West of the Euphrates. Nuclear oblivion always looked pretty unappealing when I was a kiddie , not the greatest thrill in the world to see it rear it's head. Civil unrest, nuclear oblivion or yellowstone about to pop, take your pick of poison.

    IMO another Carrington Event is the biggest natural catastrophe that is likely to hit us. Our modern civilisation is really susceptible to another occurrence, and they happen frequently (last one in 2012, but it missed the Earth).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859
    I would not worry too much. The current cycle (No.24) looks to be quiet and recent cycles have shown a sufficient decrease in activity that some people speculate about another Maunder Minimum. During the last Maunder Minimum the Thames froze over a couple of dozen times between 1650(ish) and 1800(ish).

    Invest in Wool Futures? ;)

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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,817

    DavidL said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Mr. C, :p

    I've made a couple of silly errors in recent months, so you're not alone.

    Mandelson receives an EU pension, which I believe has a condition of not doing anything contrary to EU interests. He's a smart fellow. But not a trustworthy one.

    I believe the civil service thought he was a very competent minister.
    When Gordon Brown swallowed his pride and brought back Mandelson to be DPM he effectively ran the country for several months during an extremely difficult time with a completely dysfunctional government notionally led by someone incapable of making a decision. So he has relevant experience there too.
    Mandelson for Tory leader? A whole new meaning to the phrase "Red Tories" :D:D

    Having said that, he would probably do the job better than the current shower and bear in mind that I do not like Mandelson. I met him once. It was enough for a life time.
    Why?
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    The big news today getting missed somewhat due to events is Russia threatening US and coalition planes West of the Euphrates. Nuclear oblivion always looked pretty unappealing when I was a kiddie , not the greatest thrill in the world to see it rear it's head. Civil unrest, nuclear oblivion or yellowstone about to pop, take your pick of poison.

    IMO another Carrington Event is the biggest natural catastrophe that is likely to hit us. Our modern civilisation is really susceptible to another occurrence, and they happen frequently (last one in 2012, but it missed the Earth).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859
    Yes a collapse of the electrical supply and all tech based infrastructure would be severe. Especially as it would disable GPS via damage to satellites grounding all passenger air traffic. Would be one of those occasions that end timers did alright along with Mormons and their survivalist mantra. Would assume that such an event occurring would see regional emergency military government plans in place across the UK in the short term.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    nunu said:

    We should remember that May faced many scandels/crises during her time at the Home Office against the formidable shadow of Yevette Cooper. she survived all of those pretty easily.

    Maybe we are underestimating her.

    Back then she was an "operator" not a "leader". She could work in the background and she did so - how often did she appear in public when she was Home Sec.?

    Leading is different from following policies set by the leader.
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    calum said:
    Can they even demand this if the game is drawn that way?
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Roger said:

    Chris said:

    Roger said:

    I just heard someone say that as a Muslim she's scared to walk down the street not knowing what the person walking towards her might do. It occured to me probably not half as much as the person walking towards her.

    Try putting "Jew" in there instead of Muslim and see how it sounds.
    I was really not being prejudiced and I don't fear walking past anyone least of all someone in a niqab. But if a Muslim can come on the radio and say they're genuinely scared of the way people look at her and she fears what they might do to her then something has to be done.

    I could have suggested that the person walking towards her changed the way they walked but that wouldn't be possible. But there's something seriously wrong if people now fear their neibours because they fear them. So perhaps the solution is everyone stops wearing uniforms
    I had some cables protruding from my back pocket the other day walking across Town and a friend joked that I was an unlikely candidate to be Gib's first Jewish suicide bomber. But the fact that she noticed/said it at all is a sign of the times.

    Calling for Muslim women to take the bin bags off is not going to solve this. Or are you stretching "uniform" to include a priest's collar? Or my kippah?
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    edited June 2017

    calum said:
    Can they even demand this if the game is drawn that way?
    I know nothing about football, but an event is an event. If the Police refuse to cover the event then not many events will go against such advice. I doubt their insurance would cover them without a massive increase in premiums.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    calum said:
    Can they even demand this if the game is drawn that way?
    I can think of other international examples of this happening - including in the Champions League.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,241

    The big news today getting missed somewhat due to events is Russia threatening US and coalition planes West of the Euphrates. Nuclear oblivion always looked pretty unappealing when I was a kiddie , not the greatest thrill in the world to see it rear it's head. Civil unrest, nuclear oblivion or yellowstone about to pop, take your pick of poison.

    IMO another Carrington Event is the biggest natural catastrophe that is likely to hit us. Our modern civilisation is really susceptible to another occurrence, and they happen frequently (last one in 2012, but it missed the Earth).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859
    Yes a collapse of the electrical supply and all tech based infrastructure would be severe. Especially as it would disable GPS via damage to satellites grounding all passenger air traffic. Would be one of those occasions that end timers did alright along with Mormons and their survivalist mantra. Would assume that such an event occurring would see regional emergency military government plans in place across the UK in the short term.
    And almost all modern cars would be dead. How the heck do you transport food and supplies to supermarkets, yet along get to supermarkets? Then there are the effects it would have on banking and other systems.

    It's one f these cases where the simpler the society, the less effect it will have.
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    Roger said:

    Chris said:

    Roger said:

    I just heard someone say that as a Muslim she's scared to walk down the street not knowing what the person walking towards her might do. It occured to me probably not half as much as the person walking towards her.

    Try putting "Jew" in there instead of Muslim and see how it sounds.
    I was really not being prejudiced and I don't fear walking past anyone least of all someone in a niqab. But if a Muslim can come on the radio and say they're genuinely scared of the way people look at her and she fears what they might do to her then something has to be done.

    I could have suggested that the person walking towards her changed the way they walked but that wouldn't be possible. But there's something seriously wrong if people now fear their neibours because of how they look. So perhaps the solution is everyone stops wearing uniforms
    Silly religious uniforms of all kinds are generally a bad idea. And I apply this equally to all faiths. Like most things connected with religion, they simply exacerbate division rather than encourage integration. A bit like Rangers – Linfield FC – and Celtic shirts, they become tribal badges.
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    Roger said:

    I just heard someone say that as a Muslim she's scared to walk down the street not knowing what the person walking towards her might do. It occured to me probably not half as much as the person walking towards her.

    I remember when people were worried when they heard an Irish axccent and when they banned bins in public places..

    I'm afraid we're approaching a time when people are going to have to stop wearing religious uniforms particularly those that cover their face. Diversity's a great thing but as a society we're in danger of fracturing

    https://pics.onsizzle.com/guy-with-face-cover-sdl-ban-fck-the-isi-urka-17102768.png
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928

    felix said:

    Blue_rog said:

    stevef said:

    So we have Theresa May who sounds like a Thatcher android, Phillip Hammond who makes John Major sound interesting, David Davis, an aging right winger, Boris Johnson, a posturing buffoon, and in the wings, Jeremy Corbyn, a near septuanarian Casto-ite in a Lenin cap. God help us all.

    But we tried young, fresh faced, go getters and look where that got us. Why can't we go back to boring politics where you have grey efficient people who don't want to be in the limelight all the time, or prance about on the world's stage.
    Because the media want to see pictures of people not shaking hands with Donald Trump, etc., etc.,. We truly get the politicians we deserve.

    I still believe Theresa May is the best person for the job, at this particular time. I believe her experience coming from councillor, through the Tory ranks and six years in the Home Office is invaluable.

    Just because she won't emote in front of the cameras, is to her credit. If the witch-hunt against her continues, then I believe it will work in her favour. There are some fundamentally decent people in this country and they won't like the media's treatment of her.

    Don't you think that her judgement is a little suspect?
    I think LadyBucket is probably not best placed to assess the judgement of others.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,040
    I thought Mandelson was a "Labour man", so I'd be surprised if he wants to work with the government rather than the Labour leadership. :o
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,817
    Mandelson has very many skills, but the problem is I wouldn't trust him, both for his character and the fact he's an ex-EU Commissioner.

    I'd need a lot of convincing.
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    The big news today getting missed somewhat due to events is Russia threatening US and coalition planes West of the Euphrates. Nuclear oblivion always looked pretty unappealing when I was a kiddie , not the greatest thrill in the world to see it rear it's head. Civil unrest, nuclear oblivion or yellowstone about to pop, take your pick of poison.

    IMO another Carrington Event is the biggest natural catastrophe that is likely to hit us. Our modern civilisation is really susceptible to another occurrence, and they happen frequently (last one in 2012, but it missed the Earth).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859
    Yes a collapse of the electrical supply and all tech based infrastructure would be severe. Especially as it would disable GPS via damage to satellites grounding all passenger air traffic. Would be one of those occasions that end timers did alright along with Mormons and their survivalist mantra. Would assume that such an event occurring would see regional emergency military government plans in place across the UK in the short term.
    And almost all modern cars would be dead. How the heck do you transport food and supplies to supermarkets, yet along get to supermarkets? Then there are the effects it would have on banking and other systems.

    It's one f these cases where the simpler the society, the less effect it will have.
    Oh absolutely. You'd be better off in a small market town in the UK than a big city, although I'd imagine a fairly rapid mobilisation of all troops and a curfew would be in force for a few weeks until they'd got the logistics sorted for rationing. Invest in tinned sardines!
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    DavidL said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Mr. C, :p

    I've made a couple of silly errors in recent months, so you're not alone.

    Mandelson receives an EU pension, which I believe has a condition of not doing anything contrary to EU interests. He's a smart fellow. But not a trustworthy one.

    I believe the civil service thought he was a very competent minister.
    When Gordon Brown swallowed his pride and brought back Mandelson to be DPM he effectively ran the country for several months during an extremely difficult time with a completely dysfunctional government notionally led by someone incapable of making a decision. So he has relevant experience there too.
    Mandelson for Tory leader? A whole new meaning to the phrase "Red Tories" :D:D

    Having said that, he would probably do the job better than the current shower and bear in mind that I do not like Mandelson. I met him once. It was enough for a life time.
    Why?
    It is hard to say. He was a bit too sauve, a bit too "oily" and came over as rather smarmy and smug. It was not just me, some of my friends felt the same way. He just had a slightly unnerving quality to him. I was never too surprised when he kept having to resign for various scandals.

    Maybe he has mellowed over the years :)

    Maybe I have.....
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Scott_P said:
    And Farage offers to negotiate on behalf of the EU.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    calum said:

    Roger said:

    I just heard someone say that as a Muslim she's scared to walk down the street not knowing what the person walking towards her might do. It occured to me probably not half as much as the person walking towards her.

    I remember when people were worried when they heard an Irish axccent and when they banned bins in public places..

    I'm afraid we're approaching a time when people are going to have to stop wearing religious uniforms particularly those that cover their face. Diversity's a great thing but as a society we're in danger of fracturing

    https://pics.onsizzle.com/guy-with-face-cover-sdl-ban-fck-the-isi-urka-17102768.png
    One group being forced to show religious subjugation.
    One group hoping to avoid having their throats slit or their music festival bombed.

    I don't see the equivalence (although I can see the very shallow irony)
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    RhubarbRhubarb Posts: 359

    Rhubarb said:


    The US has a deal with Brazil, Argentina and Australia to house it's citizens in the event of a super eruption before 2024, the chance of an eruption this century is rated at 10%.

    Really? Can you point out somewhere with more details?
    I might be victim of conspiracy here, I'd read it recently. Source is from 2014 where the Praag news agency in South Africa say the ANC govt turned down 10 billion for housing US Citizens in the event of a super eruption but that the other 3 mentioned had accepted. It was reported in the Daily Mail (I know I know) as a conspiracy theory. Zero hedge linked to the story on twitter this weekend. Looks like the next ten years and eruption this century are drawn from comments by grey haired superphysicist Michio Kaku.
    An eruption is overdue however but in geological terms that's any time in the next few tens of thousands of years.
    Looks like I got overexcited by zero hedge, not for the first time.
    No problem; I just have something of a morbid curiosity about that kind of thing.
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Ahhhhhhh apocalyptic scenarios are fun. Tenerife falling into the sea and drowning the east coast of the USA is another old chestnut.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Blue_rog said:

    I've mentioned it before but catastophic collapse of the sea bed methane clathrates would do much good for global warming.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_methane_emissions#Clathrate_breakdown

    I worry about that more than solar flares. I sometimes wonder if it would be safer to "mine" clathrates and burn them to CO2 which is a much weaker greenhouse gas than methane.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Mandelson has very many skills, but the problem is I wouldn't trust him, both for his character and the fact he's an ex-EU Commissioner.

    I'd need a lot of convincing.

    He'd have to give up his EU pension and the accompanying requirements and obligations.

    That'd be a necessary place for him to start.
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    GeoffM said:

    calum said:
    Can they even demand this if the game is drawn that way?
    I can think of other international examples of this happening - including in the Champions League.
    I have certainly heard of draws being openly 'fixed' by Uefa so for example Serbia never play Croatia in the Euro qualifiers but I have never heard of the draw being changed retrospectively. I'd be keen to see other examples, I am sure you are right Geoff, but I have never come across one.

    For example, Northern Ireland have played the Republic of Ireland (who are also supported by most Catholics in the North, most of whom consider Northern Ireland an illegitimate entity) 10 times since the war. Those games were staged – most recently in 2011 – despite there presumably being a high risk.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Ahhhhhhh apocalyptic scenarios are fun. Tenerife falling into the sea and drowning the east coast of the USA is another old chestnut.

    These days with the internet and global TV, I want to try and organise the entire population of China to jump up and down in time to see if they can make a tsumani wave the would wipe out Los Angeles. Of course, we would need to evacuate the US west coast first...

    Or is it an earthquake rather than a tsunami?
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    Blue_rog said:

    I've mentioned it before but catastophic collapse of the sea bed methane clathrates would do much good for global warming.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_methane_emissions#Clathrate_breakdown

    I worry about that more than solar flares. I sometimes wonder if it would be safer to "mine" clathrates and burn them to CO2 which is a much weaker greenhouse gas than methane.
    Just get rid of the clean air acts. Acid rain would be a problem but the sulphur dioxide would kill off warming. We'd just die of smog instead.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    edited June 2017

    Blue_rog said:

    I've mentioned it before but catastophic collapse of the sea bed methane clathrates would do much good for global warming.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_methane_emissions#Clathrate_breakdown

    I worry about that more than solar flares. I sometimes wonder if it would be safer to "mine" clathrates and burn them to CO2 which is a much weaker greenhouse gas than methane.

    China claims breakthrough in mining 'flammable ice'

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-39971667

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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    Ahhhhhhh apocalyptic scenarios are fun. Tenerife falling into the sea and drowning the east coast of the USA is another old chestnut.

    These days with the internet and global TV, I want to try and organise the entire population of China to jump up and down in time to see if they can make a tsumani wave the would wipe out Los Angeles. Of course, we would need to evacuate the US west coast first...

    Or is it an earthquake rather than a tsunami?
    A meteorite strike that slowed the earth's rotation would be fun. Destruction on a global scale and then the survivors finding the habitable zones and the oceans themselves migrating.
    A Gamma Ray burster would also be a bit of a game over if it was within 5000 light years.
    Or the universe could just go through a phase shift and we'd know nothing about it as we blinked out of existence.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Blue_rog said:

    I've mentioned it before but catastophic collapse of the sea bed methane clathrates would do much good for global warming.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_methane_emissions#Clathrate_breakdown

    I worry about that more than solar flares. I sometimes wonder if it would be safer to "mine" clathrates and burn them to CO2 which is a much weaker greenhouse gas than methane.

    China claims breakthrough in mining 'flammable ice'

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-39971667

    Interesting.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Blue_rog said:

    I've mentioned it before but catastophic collapse of the sea bed methane clathrates would do much good for global warming.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_methane_emissions#Clathrate_breakdown

    I worry about that more than solar flares. I sometimes wonder if it would be safer to "mine" clathrates and burn them to CO2 which is a much weaker greenhouse gas than methane.
    Just get rid of the clean air acts. Acid rain would be a problem but the sulphur dioxide would kill off warming. We'd just die of smog instead.
    There is always a downside :(:(
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,048

    The big news today getting missed somewhat due to events is Russia threatening US and coalition planes West of the Euphrates. Nuclear oblivion always looked pretty unappealing when I was a kiddie , not the greatest thrill in the world to see it rear it's head. Civil unrest, nuclear oblivion or yellowstone about to pop, take your pick of poison.

    IMO another Carrington Event is the biggest natural catastrophe that is likely to hit us. Our modern civilisation is really susceptible to another occurrence, and they happen frequently (last one in 2012, but it missed the Earth).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859
    Yes a collapse of the electrical supply and all tech based infrastructure would be severe. Especially as it would disable GPS via damage to satellites grounding all passenger air traffic. Would be one of those occasions that end timers did alright along with Mormons and their survivalist mantra. Would assume that such an event occurring would see regional emergency military government plans in place across the UK in the short term.
    And almost all modern cars would be dead. How the heck do you transport food and supplies to supermarkets, yet along get to supermarkets? Then there are the effects it would have on banking and other systems.

    It's one f these cases where the simpler the society, the less effect it will have.
    One of the big problems is the length of time we could be without power. The most vulnerable bit of the power station is the transformer. These things weigh up to 400 tons and can take almost 2 years to build. If you lose a series of them in a Carrington event then you really are screwed as far as the national grid goes.
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    shiney2shiney2 Posts: 672
    Icarus said:

    Scott_P said:
    Would be a great asset and a sensible move.

    No doubt the government will reject his offer.
    Would you trust Mandelson to boil you an egg?
    'The only job I'd give Peter Mandelson is Chair of the Truth&Reconciliation Commission in the Labour Party" - D.Cameron
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    Blue_rog said:

    I've mentioned it before but catastophic collapse of the sea bed methane clathrates would do much good for global warming.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_methane_emissions#Clathrate_breakdown

    I worry about that more than solar flares. I sometimes wonder if it would be safer to "mine" clathrates and burn them to CO2 which is a much weaker greenhouse gas than methane.
    Just get rid of the clean air acts. Acid rain would be a problem but the sulphur dioxide would kill off warming. We'd just die of smog instead.
    There is always a downside :(:(
    Phase shift is the best one. Everything ceases to exist, new laws of physics apply and nothing that ever was or is will be detectable from inside or outside the Universe. As if nothing in the last 15 billion years ever occurred.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Suspected attacker 'downed' in Paris after car crashes into police vehicle"

    http://news.sky.com/story/suspected-attacker-downed-in-paris-after-car-crashes-into-police-vehicle-10920470
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,241

    The big news today getting missed somewhat due to events is Russia threatening US and coalition planes West of the Euphrates. Nuclear oblivion always looked pretty unappealing when I was a kiddie , not the greatest thrill in the world to see it rear it's head. Civil unrest, nuclear oblivion or yellowstone about to pop, take your pick of poison.

    IMO another Carrington Event is the biggest natural catastrophe that is likely to hit us. Our modern civilisation is really susceptible to another occurrence, and they happen frequently (last one in 2012, but it missed the Earth).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859
    Yes a collapse of the electrical supply and all tech based infrastructure would be severe. Especially as it would disable GPS via damage to satellites grounding all passenger air traffic. Would be one of those occasions that end timers did alright along with Mormons and their survivalist mantra. Would assume that such an event occurring would see regional emergency military government plans in place across the UK in the short term.
    And almost all modern cars would be dead. How the heck do you transport food and supplies to supermarkets, yet along get to supermarkets? Then there are the effects it would have on banking and other systems.

    It's one f these cases where the simpler the society, the less effect it will have.
    One of the big problems is the length of time we could be without power. The most vulnerable bit of the power station is the transformer. These things weigh up to 400 tons and can take almost 2 years to build. If you lose a series of them in a Carrington event then you really are screwed as far as the national grid goes.
    And not just the transformers at the power stations: anything attached to the power lines, including local substations, will get fried.

    Then there is the havoc it will cause to most things with chips in them. Even the fab plants making chips will be out of action.

    It's one area where modern technology has made us much more susceptible.
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    The big news today getting missed somewhat due to events is Russia threatening US and coalition planes West of the Euphrates. Nuclear oblivion always looked pretty unappealing when I was a kiddie , not the greatest thrill in the world to see it rear it's head. Civil unrest, nuclear oblivion or yellowstone about to pop, take your pick of poison.

    IMO another Carrington Event is the biggest natural catastrophe that is likely to hit us. Our modern civilisation is really susceptible to another occurrence, and they happen frequently (last one in 2012, but it missed the Earth).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859
    Yes a collapse of the electrical supply and all tech based infrastructure would be severe. Especially as it would disable GPS via damage to satellites grounding all passenger air traffic. Would be one of those occasions that end timers did alright along with Mormons and their survivalist mantra. Would assume that such an event occurring would see regional emergency military government plans in place across the UK in the short term.
    And almost all modern cars would be dead. How the heck do you transport food and supplies to supermarkets, yet along get to supermarkets? Then there are the effects it would have on banking and other systems.

    It's one f these cases where the simpler the society, the less effect it will have.
    One of the big problems is the length of time we could be without power. The most vulnerable bit of the power station is the transformer. These things weigh up to 400 tons and can take almost 2 years to build. If you lose a series of them in a Carrington event then you really are screwed as far as the national grid goes.
    At the governmental and military level generators would cover the basics, communications etc, the rest of us would be cooking on Camping stoves or barbies for a while though.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,459
    On the subject of Theresa May she does seem to stepping up to the plate. Having chaired a cobra meeting this morning she addressed the Nation from no 10 with a strong speech, then went to the Mosque and spoke to camera (looking tired and angry) in front of the community leaders who were nodding in agreement with her, then she went back to no 10 to meet the Irish Taoiseach and to undertake a joint press conference.

    The 'bloody difficult woman' may yet surprise us all
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    The big news today getting missed somewhat due to events is Russia threatening US and coalition planes West of the Euphrates. Nuclear oblivion always looked pretty unappealing when I was a kiddie , not the greatest thrill in the world to see it rear it's head. Civil unrest, nuclear oblivion or yellowstone about to pop, take your pick of poison.

    IMO another Carrington Event is the biggest natural catastrophe that is likely to hit us. Our modern civilisation is really susceptible to another occurrence, and they happen frequently (last one in 2012, but it missed the Earth).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859
    Yes a collapse of the electrical supply and all tech based infrastructure would be severe. Especially as it would disable GPS via damage to satellites grounding all passenger air traffic. Would be one of those occasions that end timers did alright along with Mormons and their survivalist mantra. Would assume that such an event occurring would see regional emergency military government plans in place across the UK in the short term.
    And almost all modern cars would be dead. How the heck do you transport food and supplies to supermarkets, yet along get to supermarkets? Then there are the effects it would have on banking and other systems.

    It's one f these cases where the simpler the society, the less effect it will have.
    One of the big problems is the length of time we could be without power. The most vulnerable bit of the power station is the transformer. These things weigh up to 400 tons and can take almost 2 years to build. If you lose a series of them in a Carrington event then you really are screwed as far as the national grid goes.
    And not just the transformers at the power stations: anything attached to the power lines, including local substations, will get fried.

    Then there is the havoc it will cause to most things with chips in them. Even the fab plants making chips will be out of action.

    It's one area where modern technology has made us much more susceptible.
    When we fished fibre optics and silicon chips out of those downed saucers we didn't work out how to protect them ;)
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,313
    ‘We wouldn’t do this to our worst enemy,’ says one EU official, watching the disarray in Britain.

    http://www.politico.eu/article/britains-brexit-jam-is-brussels-too-theresa-may-negotiations-article-50/

    “Clearly the Brits are not ready yet and it’s a pity,” a senior Commission official said.

    “Everybody has sympathy for [May] now because she put herself in an impossible situation,” the official said. “How we can help her? Where she is now, nobody can help her. What she said to the backbenchers, in a way made sense, ‘I put you in this mess. I will take you out of this mess.’ But who else can do anything for her? It’s just hell.”
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    paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,461

    GeoffM said:

    calum said:
    Can they even demand this if the game is drawn that way?
    I can think of other international examples of this happening - including in the Champions League.
    I have certainly heard of draws being openly 'fixed' by Uefa so for example Serbia never play Croatia in the Euro qualifiers but I have never heard of the draw being changed retrospectively. I'd be keen to see other examples, I am sure you are right Geoff, but I have never come across one.

    For example, Northern Ireland have played the Republic of Ireland (who are also supported by most Catholics in the North, most of whom consider Northern Ireland an illegitimate entity) 10 times since the war. Those games were staged – most recently in 2011 – despite there presumably being a high risk.
    I think they could change the date of the fixture, not who plays who.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Blue_rog said:

    I've mentioned it before but catastophic collapse of the sea bed methane clathrates would do much good for global warming.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_methane_emissions#Clathrate_breakdown

    I worry about that more than solar flares. I sometimes wonder if it would be safer to "mine" clathrates and burn them to CO2 which is a much weaker greenhouse gas than methane.
    Just get rid of the clean air acts. Acid rain would be a problem but the sulphur dioxide would kill off warming. We'd just die of smog instead.
    There is always a downside :(:(
    Phase shift is the best one. Everything ceases to exist, new laws of physics apply and nothing that ever was or is will be detectable from inside or outside the Universe. As if nothing in the last 15 billion years ever occurred.
    I do not worry about that one because if it happens there will be no me to worry about it.

    And no one to complain to :D
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    YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    On the subject of Theresa May she does seem to stepping up to the plate. Having chaired a cobra meeting this morning she addressed the Nation from no 10 with a strong speech, then went to the Mosque and spoke to camera (looking tired and angry) in front of the community leaders who were nodding in agreement with her, then she went back to no 10 to meet the Irish Taoiseach and to undertake a joint press conference.

    The 'bloody difficult woman' may yet surprise us all

    She did by calling an unnecessary general election and loosing the conservative majority.How many more surprises do you want from a leader.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,459

    ‘We wouldn’t do this to our worst enemy,’ says one EU official, watching the disarray in Britain.

    http://www.politico.eu/article/britains-brexit-jam-is-brussels-too-theresa-may-negotiations-article-50/

    “Clearly the Brits are not ready yet and it’s a pity,” a senior Commission official said.

    “Everybody has sympathy for [May] now because she put herself in an impossible situation,” the official said. “How we can help her? Where she is now, nobody can help her. What she said to the backbenchers, in a way made sense, ‘I put you in this mess. I will take you out of this mess.’ But who else can do anything for her? It’s just hell.”

    You are either Juncker's or Faisal Islam
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    NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,311

    On the subject of Theresa May she does seem to stepping up to the plate. Having chaired a cobra meeting this morning she addressed the Nation from no 10 with a strong speech, then went to the Mosque and spoke to camera (looking tired and angry) in front of the community leaders who were nodding in agreement with her, then she went back to no 10 to meet the Irish Taoiseach and to undertake a joint press conference.

    The 'bloody difficult woman' may yet surprise us all

    If she is able to turn the media narrative then that would help. I did think she was very unfairly treated last week with regards to meeting people at the site of the Grenfell tower. I know it is not her strength to go off speaking to the public, but I imagine she was following the advice of her Close protection team. I can't be the only person in the current situation to wonder if there was a terror link to the fire E.g stored flammable items. If my job were to protect the Prime Minister I would be taking her to closely controlled environments.

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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,817
    Any chance of lightening the mood here, guys?

    This "end of the world" stuff is a little tiresome.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    calum said:
    Can they even demand this if the game is drawn that way?
    On the eve of Marching day does seem particularly poorly timed.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,817

    DavidL said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Mr. C, :p

    I've made a couple of silly errors in recent months, so you're not alone.

    Mandelson receives an EU pension, which I believe has a condition of not doing anything contrary to EU interests. He's a smart fellow. But not a trustworthy one.

    I believe the civil service thought he was a very competent minister.
    When Gordon Brown swallowed his pride and brought back Mandelson to be DPM he effectively ran the country for several months during an extremely difficult time with a completely dysfunctional government notionally led by someone incapable of making a decision. So he has relevant experience there too.
    Mandelson for Tory leader? A whole new meaning to the phrase "Red Tories" :D:D

    Having said that, he would probably do the job better than the current shower and bear in mind that I do not like Mandelson. I met him once. It was enough for a life time.
    Why?
    It is hard to say. He was a bit too sauve, a bit too "oily" and came over as rather smarmy and smug. It was not just me, some of my friends felt the same way. He just had a slightly unnerving quality to him. I was never too surprised when he kept having to resign for various scandals.

    Maybe he has mellowed over the years :)

    Maybe I have.....
    Interesting, thanks. You're not the first.

    Nick Palmer said (I think) he'd always be looking to see if there was someone else more important in the room to talk to, and then immediately walk off if there was.
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    Any chance of lightening the mood here, guys?

    This "end of the world" stuff is a little tiresome.

    It's fun! Things could be worse and all....... :)
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,459
    Yorkcity said:

    On the subject of Theresa May she does seem to stepping up to the plate. Having chaired a cobra meeting this morning she addressed the Nation from no 10 with a strong speech, then went to the Mosque and spoke to camera (looking tired and angry) in front of the community leaders who were nodding in agreement with her, then she went back to no 10 to meet the Irish Taoiseach and to undertake a joint press conference.

    The 'bloody difficult woman' may yet surprise us all

    She did by calling an unnecessary general election and loosing the conservative majority.How many more surprises do you want from a leader.
    Accepted but she does seem to be stubborn and determined and todays poll is relatively good for her
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    NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,311

    Any chance of lightening the mood here, guys?

    This "end of the world" stuff is a little tiresome.

    What do you want? Lolcats?
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,060

    On the subject of Theresa May she does seem to stepping up to the plate. Having chaired a cobra meeting this morning she addressed the Nation from no 10 with a strong speech, then went to the Mosque and spoke to camera (looking tired and angry) in front of the community leaders who were nodding in agreement with her, then she went back to no 10 to meet the Irish Taoiseach and to undertake a joint press conference.

    The 'bloody difficult woman' may yet surprise us all

    I'm hoping that now it's the business of Govt, she'll recover some of her form after showing all too clearly she's not any sort of campaigner! OGH was right in saying the lack of any leadership campaign meant there was no refining or even practice in those marketing skills needed of a PM...
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,060

    Any chance of lightening the mood here, guys?

    This "end of the world" stuff is a little tiresome.

    Listen back to TMS yesterday when Fakhar was batting.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Ahhhhhhh apocalyptic scenarios are fun. Tenerife falling into the sea and drowning the east coast of the USA is another old chestnut.

    These days with the internet and global TV, I want to try and organise the entire population of China to jump up and down in time to see if they can make a tsumani wave the would wipe out Los Angeles. Of course, we would need to evacuate the US west coast first...

    Or is it an earthquake rather than a tsunami?
    A meteorite strike that slowed the earth's rotation would be fun. Destruction on a global scale and then the survivors finding the habitable zones and the oceans themselves migrating.
    A Gamma Ray burster would also be a bit of a game over if it was within 5000 light years.
    Or the universe could just go through a phase shift and we'd know nothing about it as we blinked out of existence.
    Just hope that IK Pegasi does not go supernova (Type 1a) as it is on our doorstep, cosmically speaking.
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