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  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    As for the thread; I am a firm supporter of fracking. More fracking and less wind turbines are whats needed to create more power. However, I believe that there should be seperate and new companies set up to mine and market this source.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    tim said:

    isam said:

    tim said:

    isam said:

    tim said:

    Frack, build houses, expand Heathrow, replace NIMBYs with immigrants and kill all cats.

    Sorted.


    Ignoring that nonsense, your post in the last thread that quoted Derek Laud, many people on here seem to think it was Farage saying "I've never called anyone racist".

    Farage hasn't mentioned race regarding the spot checks or vans has he? He was commenting on Lynton Crosbys covert ukip op when he spoke of "politics of the gutter"

    I pointed that out to the Key Stage 2 Tories twice when I saw their lack of understanding.
    What can you do Sam, Mike gives me these people to work with, I don't choose them

    To be fair, you did point it out

    It seemed that a whole thread was dominated by a misunderstanding

    As a fellow bettor I implore you to follow the horse racing tops of raceclear on twitter... Free everyday, 8 months consecutive profit
    That's an impressive ROI, any idea what is in the members area, is it prior notice of the tips?
    Sometimes there are a couple of extra bets in the members area, it's not prior notice

    2/3 today inc a 17/2 winner
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,311
    edited August 2013


    WW 1 British casualties ;

    English: 515,000
    Scottish: 74,000
    Irish: 51,000
    Welsh: 35,000

    The proportions relative to the populations are similar.

    So even by your figures Scottish losses were proportionally greater? Thanks for proving my point.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited August 2013


    WW 1 British casualties ;

    English: 515,000
    Scottish: 74,000
    Irish: 51,000
    Welsh: 35,000

    The proportions relative to the populations are similar.

    So even by your figures Scottish losses were proportionally greater? Thanks for proving my point.
    3.2% vs 2.9% of the male population - around half the original claim......which was of 147,000 casualties

    The Scottish government claims "around 100,000":

    http://www.educationscotland.gov.uk/scotlandshistory/20thand21stcenturies/worldwarone/index.asp
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,311


    3.2% vs 2.9% of the male population - around half the original claim......which was of 147,000 casualties

    So to take even the PB Unionists' figures (irreproachable I'm sure) a 10% higher casualty rate.

    The Scottish National War Memorial states nearly 150k casualties, so you UKOKers should probably take it up with them.

  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    re the Scots Casualties in WW1 ..The original poster claimed that the Scots were considered expendable as opposed to other British contingents .. I asked for evidence about that .. which has not been forthcoming..no one really doubts the appalling death figures .. it was the insinuation that Scots were considered expendable ..By whom and why .. evidence please/
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216


    3.2% vs 2.9% of the male population - around half the original claim......which was of 147,000 casualties

    The Scottish National War Memorial states nearly 150k casualties, so you UKOKers should probably take it up with them.
    Don't tell me - tell Scottish Education!

  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    Grandiose said:




    You mean to say... that a poll... might ask people about something... they know very little about? ...


    You're right, Nick, of course. But in a democracy it is the prerogative of politicians to make us informed - whether they support or oppose something.

    Is that an elegantly-phrased hint? It's a fair cop. The answer is that I don't know either - I'd like more information before I make up my mind.

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Peter Capaldi is the new Doctor - great choice.....
  • If you listen very carefully you can hear me geekgasming at the news that the new Doctor is to be played by Peter Capaldi
  • Peter fecking Capaldi.

    He played a WHO Doctor in World War Z
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    edited August 2013
    So much for The Thick of It. Must be that kercheng sound which first attracted him to the new role.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    The idea of fracking in Finsbury Square, even if the geology were suitable, would be bonkers given the much greater economic use that land is already being put to. The final question doesn't just capture NIMBY voters.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Malcolm Tucker.

    3/1

    Kaching!
  • Peter Capaldi.

    I'm so excited.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited August 2013

    What Political leverage does the UK have re the Gib scenario.Can an EU country arbitrarilly deny overfly rights to another EU country, and charge an entry fee at the border.

    Charge the Spanish a fee for access to their embassy in London.

    (I think part of the problem - IIRC - is the Gib is technically not part of the EU but a Crown dependency or something. Sure GeoffM can spell out the details).

    Perhaps the answer might be full incorporation of Gib into the UK (no idea if the locals would be happy with that, though, and it needs their approval)

    edit: with my paranoid Spurs hat on, I reckon it's part of Madrid's campaign to buy Gareth Bale...
  • "Peter Capaldi"

    Who???

    :)
  • I'd love to see how Malcolm Tucker would interact with a DALEK
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    @TSE My other half and I have just realised that the luvvie who was talking about "my agent" this and "my agent" that on the next table in a restaurant about a month ago was Matt Smith. We get zero out of ten for celebrity awareness.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited August 2013


    3.2% vs 2.9% of the male population - around half the original claim......which was of 147,000 casualties

    The Scottish National War Memorial states nearly 150k casualties, so you UKOKers should probably take it up with them.
    Don't tell me - tell Scottish Education!

    It is estimated that Scotland lost 74000 killed and England and Wales 560000 killed. These both represent just over 1.5% of the 1911 populations. This is exactly what one would expect given that, from 1916, conscription was in force in all three countries.

    It's no surprise that a SNP propagandist like ThUD should invent figures to promote his cause. However in this case he's crossed the line into Goebbelsian hate mongering.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Capaldi was in Torchwood Children of Earth ......of course it's all a Unionist plot to cast (another) Scot in the run up to the Indie referendum.....with 1/6 Doctors the Scots are seriously over represented.....
  • Charles said:

    What Political leverage does the UK have re the Gib scenario.Can an EU country arbitrarilly deny overfly rights to another EU country, and charge an entry fee at the border.

    Charge the Spanish a fee for access to their embassy in London.

    (I think part of the problem - IIRC - is the Gib is technically not part of the EU but a Crown dependency or something. Sure GeoffM can spell out the details).

    Perhaps the answer might be full incorporation of Gib into the UK (no idea if the locals would be happy with that, though, and it needs their approval)

    edit: with my paranoid Spurs hat on, I reckon it's part of Madrid's campaign to buy Gareth Bale...
    Gib already comes under SW England for the Euro elections. Why not give them an MP at Westminster?
  • antifrank said:

    @TSE My other half and I have just realised that the luvvie who was talking about "my agent" this and "my agent" that on the next table in a restaurant about a month ago was Matt Smith. We get zero out of ten for celebrity awareness.

    Not knowing who the current Doctor is, is that even possible?

    Do you even know who the current Prime Minister is ?

  • I'd love to see how Malcolm Tucker would interact with a DALEK

    "Ex-cru-ci-ate! Ex-cru-ci-ate!"

    :)
  • Capaldi was in Torchwood Children of Earth ......of course it's all a Unionist plot to cast (another) Scot in the run up to the Indie referendum.....with 1/6 Doctors the Scots are seriously over represented.....

    He was in an episode with Tennant's Doctor.

    The Pompei one
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    What Political leverage does the UK have re the Gib scenario.Can an EU country arbitrarilly deny overfly rights to another EU country, and charge an entry fee at the border.

    Charge the Spanish a fee for access to their embassy in London.

    (I think part of the problem - IIRC - is the Gib is technically not part of the EU but a Crown dependency or something. Sure GeoffM can spell out the details).

    Perhaps the answer might be full incorporation of Gib into the UK (no idea if the locals would be happy with that, though, and it needs their approval)

    edit: with my paranoid Spurs hat on, I reckon it's part of Madrid's campaign to buy Gareth Bale...
    Gib already comes under SW England for the Euro elections. Why not give them an MP at Westminster?
    Because it would need a referendum in Gib to change their status & it comes with plenty of other complexities.

    It may need to be the answer if Spain doesn't grow up, but I have no idea of the complexities involved and ancillary implications. Perhaps they can be used as a model for DevoMax post 2015...
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    @TSE We're both blushing. He seemed like a really nice guy, as it happens, very patient with the not-very-good service. If very luvvie.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited August 2013
    Looking at Donations register on Electoral Commission website, you can see which Labour MEP hopefuls have received money from Trade Unions for their campaign.

    Unite gave

    Lucy Anderson (London) £14,800.00 +3,220.00
    Judith Kirton-Darling (North East) £14,275.54

    Their other backed candidates don't seem to have received special money to fund their campaign.

    Unison gave £3,020.00 + 500 to Sanchia Alasia (who was up against Anderson but she wasn't her main challenger)
    USDAW gave £8,728.87 to Jayne Shotton (who was Kirton-Darling's only challenger)
    GMB donated £11,692.00 to Alex Mayer (East)
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,845

    Peter Capaldi.

    I'm so excited.

    At least they've got an actor who can actually act. Unlike the two previous doctors.

    Now all they need is someone who can actually write sci-fi and create decent plot arcs. Sack Moffat immediately as he is obviously too busy, and get in someone else. (*)

    Doctor Who and Sherlock are absolute pants. Moments of brilliance stuck in a mire of crud.

    (*) In an evil moment, I just wondered what a SeanT - written Doctor Who would be like ...

    "In tonight's episode, the doctor went to the pleasure planet of Eroticon 6, studied the skyline and fought the bad guys - the Larboards - whose secret weapons were two left feet. He beat them by playing a 24-hour continuous-loop tape of a 20th Century Earth politician, Maggie, until their simple brain units fried at exposure to the billiance."
  • Charles said:


    Gib already comes under SW England for the Euro elections. Why not give them an MP at Westminster?

    Because it would need a referendum in Gib to change their status & it comes with plenty of other complexities.

    It may need to be the answer if Spain doesn't grow up, but I have no idea of the complexities involved and ancillary implications. Perhaps they can be used as a model for DevoMax post 2015...
    Spain already considers its colonies territories on and off the Morocco coast as integral parts of Spain. I'm sure Morocco isn't too happy with that!
  • For my fellow cricket fans.

    It has been pissing it down both sides of the Pennines.

    Tomorrow is unlikely to see a lot of play when that happens.

    I did advise not to lay the draw.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,311

    it was the insinuation that Scots were considered expendable ..By whom and why .. evidence please/

    Scots, and possibly even more the Irish, were considered expendable historically.

    'MacLeod’s title comes from what General James Wolfe said about his Highland soldiers before the Battle of Quebec in 1759, that it would be “no great mischief if they fall.”

    http://tinyurl.com/m2p8ct6

    If you believe that these attitudes had entirely disappeared by 1914, fair enough; to me, whether through callousness or stupidity, there seems to be a general air of spendthriftness about command decisions in WWI. There's certainly evidence that Scots troops were viewed as efficient shock troops where casualties were bound to be higher.
  • Peter Capaldi.

    I'm so excited.

    At least they've got an actor who can actually act. Unlike the two previous doctors.

    Now all they need is someone who can actually write sci-fi and create decent plot arcs. Sack Moffat immediately as he is obviously too busy, and get in someone else. (*)

    Doctor Who and Sherlock are absolute pants. Moments of brilliance stuck in a mire of crud.

    (*) In an evil moment, I just wondered what a SeanT - written Doctor Who would be like ...

    "In tonight's episode, the doctor went to the pleasure planet of Eroticon 6, studied the skyline and fought the bad guys - the Larboards - whose secret weapons were two left feet. He beat them by playing a 24-hour continuous-loop tape of a 20th Century Earth politician, Maggie, until their simple brain units fried at exposure to the billiance."
    Admit it. You used to post as Dervish at Outpost Gallifrey.

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:


    Gib already comes under SW England for the Euro elections. Why not give them an MP at Westminster?

    Because it would need a referendum in Gib to change their status & it comes with plenty of other complexities.

    It may need to be the answer if Spain doesn't grow up, but I have no idea of the complexities involved and ancillary implications. Perhaps they can be used as a model for DevoMax post 2015...
    Spain already considers its colonies territories on and off the Morocco coast as integral parts of Spain. I'm sure Morocco isn't too happy with that!
    I don't care what the Spanish think.

    I do care what the Gibraltarians (?) think. Sovereignty means sovereignty.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Charles said:

    (I think part of the problem - IIRC - is the Gib is technically not part of the EU but a Crown dependency or something. Sure GeoffM can spell out the details).

    Gib is part of the EU having joined the EEC in 1973 along with the UK. There's actually a special clause in the relevant treaty which only covers Gib and makes this work.

    Rather like the UK and others, Gib has EU exemptions. Outside the customs union and VAT area, no Common Agricultural Policy; no Schengen. Our government is responsible for incorporating EU law into local law.
    Charles said:

    Perhaps the answer might be full incorporation of Gib into the UK (no idea if the locals would be happy with that, though, and it needs their approval)

    There used to be a political party, the Integration With Britain Party, in the 60's which sort of became the non-party political Integration With Britain Movement. It's a strand of opinion here but not one with huge support. The broad view here is that the constitutional position with our own parliament and constitution under the Crown is settled to the satisfaction of everyone actually involved whose opinions matter (which doesn't include the Spanish).

  • antifrank said:

    @TSE We're both blushing. He seemed like a really nice guy, as it happens, very patient with the not-very-good service. If very luvvie.

    He is lovely.

    It is nice to have a Doctor who is older than me.

    Felt weird to have a Doctor younger than me.

  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    At least they've got an actor who can actually act. Unlike the two previous doctors.

    David Tennant was the best actor ever to play the Doctor, with a mantelpiece full of awards for his theatre work.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    GeoffM said:

    Charles said:

    (I think part of the problem - IIRC - is the Gib is technically not part of the EU but a Crown dependency or something. Sure GeoffM can spell out the details).

    Gib is part of the EU having joined the EEC in 1973 along with the UK. There's actually a special clause in the relevant treaty which only covers Gib and makes this work.

    Rather like the UK and others, Gib has EU exemptions. Outside the customs union and VAT area, no Common Agricultural Policy; no Schengen. Our government is responsible for incorporating EU law into local law.
    Charles said:

    Perhaps the answer might be full incorporation of Gib into the UK (no idea if the locals would be happy with that, though, and it needs their approval)

    There used to be a political party, the Integration With Britain Party, in the 60's which sort of became the non-party political Integration With Britain Movement. It's a strand of opinion here but not one with huge support. The broad view here is that the constitutional position with our own parliament and constitution under the Crown is settled to the satisfaction of everyone actually involved whose opinions matter (which doesn't include the Spanish).

    If Gib is part of the EU then there is no need. Spain simply doesn't have the right to impose a fee of that scale
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Peter Capaldi.

    I'm so excited.

    How long before a tabloid with an anti-BBC agenda complains about young Dr Who fans being corrupted by Malcolm Tucker videos they find on youtube?

  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited August 2013
    TUFD .I think your opinions on the issue of Scots being expendable are not only offensive but ludicrous.Get the chip off your shoulder and show documentary evidence that what you claim was discussed at high Miltary level or back off..Prejudice is not evidence..
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Charles said:

    Charles said:


    Gib already comes under SW England for the Euro elections. Why not give them an MP at Westminster?

    Because it would need a referendum in Gib to change their status & it comes with plenty of other complexities.

    It may need to be the answer if Spain doesn't grow up, but I have no idea of the complexities involved and ancillary implications. Perhaps they can be used as a model for DevoMax post 2015...
    Spain already considers its colonies territories on and off the Morocco coast as integral parts of Spain. I'm sure Morocco isn't too happy with that!
    I don't care what the Spanish think.

    I do care what the Gibraltarians (?) think. Sovereignty means sovereignty.
    And it's nearer than the Falklands, and we do have a record of successful fleet actions in those parts.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,260
    edited August 2013

    Peter Capaldi.

    I'm so excited.

    How long before a tabloid with an anti-BBC agenda complains about young Dr Who fans being corrupted by Malcolm Tucker videos they find on youtube?

    To be fair, The Mail didn't explode when the Doctor kissed Captain Jack in 2005.


  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,311

    TUFD .I think your opinions on the issue of Scots being expendable are not only offensive but ludicrous.Get the chip off your shoulder and show documentary evidence that what you claim was discussed at high Miltary level or back off..Prejudice is not evidence..


    I couldn't give a toss about what you find offensive, tbh, and I think you're getting a bit befuddled about who you're replying to. I didn't mention 'high Miltary level', whatever that is.
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    Someone mentioned not recognising Matt Smith (Doctor Eleven). When I was in the crowd at the world premiere of Harry Potter 4, I saw David Tennant (Doctor Ten) but didn't recognise him because he was out of context and he hadn't started yet as The Doctor.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Ishmael_X said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:


    Gib already comes under SW England for the Euro elections. Why not give them an MP at Westminster?

    Because it would need a referendum in Gib to change their status & it comes with plenty of other complexities.

    It may need to be the answer if Spain doesn't grow up, but I have no idea of the complexities involved and ancillary implications. Perhaps they can be used as a model for DevoMax post 2015...
    Spain already considers its colonies territories on and off the Morocco coast as integral parts of Spain. I'm sure Morocco isn't too happy with that!
    I don't care what the Spanish think.

    I do care what the Gibraltarians (?) think. Sovereignty means sovereignty.
    And it's nearer than the Falklands, and we do have a record of successful fleet actions in those parts.
    But these days we do not have a fleet .

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,845

    At least they've got an actor who can actually act. Unlike the two previous doctors.

    David Tennant was the best actor ever to play the Doctor, with a mantelpiece full of awards for his theatre work.
    Respectfully disagree. He got one award before Doctor Who (from the Critics' Awards for Theatre in Scotland), a string for Doctor Who (as did Ecclestone for his one year in the show and Matt Smith afterwards), and more awards after he was famous.

    He was still mostly pants in Who, though. Most of that was probably the writing, but there are only a few episodes where I would call his acting anything beyond pedestrian. I'd be willing to change my mind if you can give examples. Matt Smith was worse, though.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Tennant#Awards_and_nominations

    TSE: No idea who Dervish is/was, but he must have had a sound mind. ;-)
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    MS yes we do have a fleet.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    TUD..You don't seem to give a toss about anything..maybe that is your problem The orignal remark on here, by Redcliffe I think, was that the Scots weere deemed to be expendable as opposed to other regiments or battalions in the British Military...No evidence has been produced to back that up.. do you have any,.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    MS tHE british Royal Navy has 78 commisioned ships .18 are major surface combatants, 5 Guided missile Destroyers and 13 Frigates.11 nuclear powered submarines,along with a Aircraft scarrier multiple assault vessels with the fleet auxillery as back up..So no fleet there then
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Mr. Jessop, I largely agree. New Who has had some great moments (Blink and the two-parter that introduced the Silence), but a lot of it has been duff. Technobabble deus ex machine is no substitute for a coherent plot.

  • He was still mostly pants in Who, though. Most of that was probably the writing, but there are only a few episodes where I would call his acting anything beyond pedestrian.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Tennant#Awards_and_nominations

    His best performance was the Virgin Tivo advert?

    :)
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,845
    Off-topic:

    It would be interesting to get SO's opinion on this story:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23566422

    Basically, the US ITC banned sales of certain Apple products because of patent infringement.

    Obama has overturned the ban because of its "effect on competitive conditions in the US economy".

    Many of these patents are iniquitous, and Apple has been at the forefront of exploiting them. If the ban is overturned, then Samsung and others will have a right to be aggrieved.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,311

    TUD..You don't seem to give a toss about anything..maybe that is your problem The orignal remark on here, by Redcliffe I think, was that the Scots weere deemed to be expendable as opposed to other regiments or battalions in the British Military...No evidence has been produced to back that up.. do you have any,.

    I certainly don't give a toss about silly, old fools and their illiteracies.
  • TUD why do you have Churchill as your avatar?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,658

    TUD..You don't seem to give a toss about anything..maybe that is your problem The orignal remark on here, by Redcliffe I think, was that the Scots weere deemed to be expendable as opposed to other regiments or battalions in the British Military...No evidence has been produced to back that up.. do you have any,.

    I certainly don't give a toss about silly, old fools and their illiteracies.
    In any case it was the Australians and the Canadians who were the shock troop of the Army in WW1 and who got all the tough jobs.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,090
    edited August 2013
    80s classic — Sade with Smooth Operator, performed in the Top of the Pops studio on Thursday 27th September 1984:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmG0bV2KZyI&amp
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,090
    Spain's words on Gibralter are, I assume, absolutely nothing to do with 25% unemployment and a totally unnecessary train crash a few weeks ago.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    The ending of Top gear was quite splendid this evening.

    And now, here is some politics...
    A poll from YouGov on Thursday gave Labour a lead of five points, meaning the party is at its lowest ebb since January 2012 after David Cameron’s veto of the EU’s fiscal pact.

    “The Australians have changed their leader and have surged from -12 in the polls to plus 2,” said one former senior Miliband supporter.

    “It’s still not clear what [Miliband] stands for, what he wants to do if he ever gets into Downing Street,” said the former Miliband supporter. “Morale is bad.”
    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/44c77ec6-fb97-11e2-8650-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2b1fye8Uu

    Conference is going to be fun
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,090
    I don't think I've ever watched an episode of Top Gear from start to finish, just bits and pieces.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Andy_JS said:

    I don't think I've ever watched an episode of Top Gear from start to finish, just bits and pieces.

    I used to really like it and then it got silly - I tend to tune in when a bunch of tweets say WOW. The last bit of tonight's show was brilliant - but what terrible scheduling by BBC2 to have the next prog about why Germans are great at making cars...

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,090
    IIRC Peter Capaldi starred in the early 80s cult film "Local Hero" which is one of BBC film critic Mark Kermode's favourite movies.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,311

    TUD..You don't seem to give a toss about anything..maybe that is your problem The orignal remark on here, by Redcliffe I think, was that the Scots weere deemed to be expendable as opposed to other regiments or battalions in the British Military...No evidence has been produced to back that up.. do you have any,.

    I certainly don't give a toss about silly, old fools and their illiteracies.
    In any case it was the Australians and the Canadians who were the shock troop of the Army in WW1 and who got all the tough jobs.
    Oh, I'm sure they were, Mother Empire was never reluctant to make use of her wild colonial boys. On the whole it didn't tend to be the 2nd Yokelshires though.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,314
    edited August 2013
    Andy_JS said:

    80s classic — Sade with Smooth Operator, performed in the Top of the Pops studio on Thursday 27th September 1984:

    Remember liking that a lot :)

    This was UK number 1 exactly 30 years ago this week:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju_a2-Pve4g
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,090
    edited August 2013
    Local Hero is one of the few films to get a 100% rating on Rotten Tomatoes:

    http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/local_hero/

    I watched it recently and, although it was very good, I don't think I would have given it 10/10.

    Another way of putting it is that just as I was getting into the film it ended.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Andy_JS said:

    IIRC Peter Capaldi starred in the early 80s cult film "Local Hero" which is one of BBC film critic Mark Kermode's favourite movies.

    He did, and was brilliant in it.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,090
    edited August 2013
    @Sunil

    Paul Young had a string of seriously good hits in 1983: Wherever I Lay My Hat, Come Back and Stay, and Love of the Common People.

    The only problem I have with him is that he kept electro-funk band Freeez's greatest ever track I.O.U. from the number one spot.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,090
    Useless fact:

    "James Hillier ‏@Jimbohillier37 6h

    The morrisons supermarket cafe in gibralter has a bar. :-0 take note uk super markets!!
    Retweeted 3 times
    Expand "


    https://twitter.com/Jimbohillier37/status/364027204080271360
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Who the hell is Peter Capaldi? Just shows how little I watch TV.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,343
    Peter Capaldi was also in The Crow Road, based on a book by my favourite author Iain Banks (PBUH)
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    @Any_JS - I prefer the Nicky Thomas version of "Love of the Common People" but with you on "Wherever I Lay my Hat"
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,658

    TUD..You don't seem to give a toss about anything..maybe that is your problem The orignal remark on here, by Redcliffe I think, was that the Scots weere deemed to be expendable as opposed to other regiments or battalions in the British Military...No evidence has been produced to back that up.. do you have any,.

    I certainly don't give a toss about silly, old fools and their illiteracies.
    In any case it was the Australians and the Canadians who were the shock troop of the Army in WW1 and who got all the tough jobs.
    Oh, I'm sure they were, Mother Empire was never reluctant to make use of her wild colonial boys. On the whole it didn't tend to be the 2nd Yokelshires though.
    I assume your premise is somehow english lives were being saved, that just doesn't stack up. The tough jobs were given to the most aggressive units. It's the same in every army. The english units just were'nt as aggressive as the colonials in WW1. If more scots were shock troops in WW1 that may be the case. Niall Ferguson makes a similar point in The Pity of War.
  • Plato said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I don't think I've ever watched an episode of Top Gear from start to finish, just bits and pieces.

    I used to really like it and then it got silly - I tend to tune in when a bunch of tweets say WOW. The last bit of tonight's show was brilliant - but what terrible scheduling by BBC2 to have the next prog about why Germans are great at making cars...

    I note the German program forgot to mention how popular the 1956 version of the Morris Oxford ended up being on the Subcontinent :)
  • DimitryDimitry Posts: 49
    Peter Capaldi is an anagram of "direct appeal". Need one say more?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,090
    edited August 2013
    Regarding Sade, the amusing thing is that most Americans think she's either from the USA or London but in fact she grew up in a small village on the edge of Clacton-on-Sea. And the rest of the band are from Hull.

    I saw a comment on YouTube recently by an American saying something like "Isn't it fantastic to see a black American band playing real music".
  • Andy_JS said:

    Regarding Sade, the amusing thing is that most Americans think she's either from the USA or London but in fact she grew up in a small village on the edge of Clacton-on-Sea. And the rest of the band are from Hull.

    I saw a comment on YouTube recently by an American saying something like "Isn't it fantastic to see a black American band playing real music".

    Sade was born in Nigeria!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sade_Adu
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,311


    I assume your premise is somehow english lives were being saved, that just doesn't stack up.

    You assume wrong.

    The tough jobs were given to the most aggressive units. It's the same in every army. The english units just were'nt as aggressive as the colonials in WW1. If more scots were shock troops in WW1 that may be the case. Niall Ferguson makes a similar point in The Pity of War.

    Precisely the point I made earlier.

    'There's certainly evidence that Scots troops were viewed as efficient shock troops where casualties were bound to be higher.'
  • @Theuniondivvie

    I still don't get your Churchill avatar!
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,658
    edited August 2013


    I assume your premise is somehow english lives were being saved, that just doesn't stack up.

    You assume wrong.

    The tough jobs were given to the most aggressive units. It's the same in every army. The english units just were'nt as aggressive as the colonials in WW1. If more scots were shock troops in WW1 that may be the case. Niall Ferguson makes a similar point in The Pity of War.

    Precisely the point I made earlier.

    'There's certainly evidence that Scots troops were viewed as efficient shock troops where casualties were bound to be higher.'
    Well if you wish to follow up that line then it.s because the Scots enjoyed a fight. So if they get stuck in more readily they're going to have higher causalties, goes with the turf. And if you're a general planning a war you deploy the better units for the tough jobs.

    Anecdotally I knew a WW1 veteran from the 36th division he used to recount that scots if captured would ditch their badges and gear and calim to be Irish since the germans would give them a good kicking over if they discovered they were scots as they disliked scots units for their aggressiveness.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Ed Miliband has been pressed to hold urgent talks with union bosses amid fears that his sweeping reforms to party funding will bankrupt Labour.

    one of his MPs has warned him that he risks endangering the party’s existence. Ian Lavery, the MP for Wansbeck and a former president of the National Union of Mineworkers, said that Labour could lose as much as £9 million. “This is the biggest political gamble in the history of the Labour Party,” he said. “People are not queuing to join Labour, quite the opposite.”
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article3834188.ece
  • NextNext Posts: 826

    @Theuniondivvie

    I still don't get your Churchill avatar!

    Click on it and see it in full size.

    Actually mildly amusing.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Andy_JS said:

    Useless fact:
    "James Hillier ‏@Jimbohillier37 6h
    The morrisons supermarket cafe in gibralter has a bar. :-0 take note uk super markets!!
    Retweeted 3 times
    Expand "

    https://twitter.com/Jimbohillier37/status/364027204080271360

    Not a useless fact; I drink in there quite regularly!

  • Next said:

    @Theuniondivvie

    I still don't get your Churchill avatar!

    Click on it and see it in full size.

    Actually mildly amusing.
    Oh I see it now! Yes, very funny - I have to confess to clicking it earlier and not noticing Alex or saltire!
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Ishmael_X said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:


    Gib already comes under SW England for the Euro elections. Why not give them an MP at Westminster?

    Because it would need a referendum in Gib to change their status & it comes with plenty of other complexities.

    It may need to be the answer if Spain doesn't grow up, but I have no idea of the complexities involved and ancillary implications. Perhaps they can be used as a model for DevoMax post 2015...
    Spain already considers its colonies territories on and off the Morocco coast as integral parts of Spain. I'm sure Morocco isn't too happy with that!
    I don't care what the Spanish think.

    I do care what the Gibraltarians (?) think. Sovereignty means sovereignty.
    And it's nearer than the Falklands, and we do have a record of successful fleet actions in those parts.
    But these days we do not have a fleet .

    That is a bit unkind. We have aircraft carriers without any aircrafts on them. Apparently, holding onto a few Harriers for a couple of years would have broken the defence budget. The budget for gin and tonic , I imagine, is safe !
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,343

    Sade was born in Nigeria!

    well, she might have been, but if you have lived in Holland-on-Sea from the ages of 4 to 18 I think that makes you an Essex Girl. A bit like you Mr Essex Boy Sunil (and me, I was born in Newbury Park and grew up in Rayleigh).

  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    That would be Gibraltar rather than Gibralter, no doubt.
  • Newbury Park? I still live here! (I was born in India - moved to the UK aged a few months, lived in Colchester before moving to Ilford aged 3).

    :)
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,343
    Next said:

    @Theuniondivvie

    I still don't get your Churchill avatar!

    Click on it and see it in full size.

    Actually mildly amusing.
    Churchill with his parasitic conjoined twin... arf arf
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,343
    @Sunil

    I believe I lived in Brook Road, over the road from the tube station. But I was only 2 when I moved to "proper" Essex so don't really remember the Ilford bit of my life.

    But I have spent almost as long in Kerala as you :-) (er... a week or so, so probably not)
  • Grandiose said:

    That would be Gibraltar rather than Gibralter, no doubt.

    Gibralter is the comparative of the adjective Gibralt, superlative Gibraltest :)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,314
    edited August 2013

    @Sunil

    I believe I lived in Brook Road, over the road from the tube station. But I was only 2 when I moved to "proper" Essex so don't really remember the Ilford bit of my life.

    But I have spent almost as long in Kerala as you :-) (er... a week or so, so probably not)

    Oh I've been back quite a few times on holiday, so not quite as long as me. One year during Uni summer break, I spent 7 weeks there :)

    Brook Road, eh? Yes it's still there, so is The Avenue pub. However, the Green Gate now a McDonald's, The Horns Tavern now a Costcutter.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,343
    @Sunil

    So where are you & your family from? I enjoyed Kochi old town, and a trip on the backwaters where I drank too much toddy :-( I think Periyar is in kerala too but we didn't see any tigers despite promises :-(
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,311


    Anecdotally I knew a WW1 veteran from the 36th division he used to recount that scots if captured would ditch their badges and gear and calim to be Irish since the germans would give them a good kicking over if they discovered they were scots as they disliked scots units for their aggressiveness.

    Ladies from Hell and all that.
    The Canadians did similar in WWII, though it wasn't a good kicking they were trying to avoid. They tended to have the lowest prisoner capture rates, and the Germans returned it with interest.

  • @Sunil

    So where are you & your family from? I enjoyed Kochi old town, and a trip on the backwaters where I drank too much toddy :-( I think Periyar is in kerala too but we didn't see any tigers despite promises :-(

    I was born in Kannur (Cannanore) and normally stay down the road in Kozhikode (Calicut), both in the north of Kerala. I've been to Kochi and to Periyar. Didn't see any tigers either when I went (last in 2007), but a pleasant enough boat ride! It's just inside Kerala,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periyar_National_Park
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    surbiton said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:


    Gib already comes under SW England for the Euro elections. Why not give them an MP at Westminster?

    Because it would need a referendum in Gib to change their status & it comes with plenty of other complexities.

    It may need to be the answer if Spain doesn't grow up, but I have no idea of the complexities involved and ancillary implications. Perhaps they can be used as a model for DevoMax post 2015...
    Spain already considers its colonies territories on and off the Morocco coast as integral parts of Spain. I'm sure Morocco isn't too happy with that!
    I don't care what the Spanish think.

    I do care what the Gibraltarians (?) think. Sovereignty means sovereignty.
    And it's nearer than the Falklands, and we do have a record of successful fleet actions in those parts.
    But these days we do not have a fleet .

    That is a bit unkind. We have aircraft carriers without any aircrafts on them. Apparently, holding onto a few Harriers for a couple of years would have broken the defence budget. The budget for gin and tonic , I imagine, is safe !
    You do know it was Labour who sold off the naval version of harrier, don't you?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,343
    @Sunil

    Thought Kerala was gorgeous, would go back but there are too many places to visit (and with better beer). Next time I go to India I want to do the north and Nepal too.

    I'm still using spices from Kumily though, they're a bit old by now but still seem fresher and stronger than what you get in the supermarket.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    edited August 2013
    saddened said:

    You do know it was Labour who sold off the naval version of harrier, don't you?

    Which left the navy using the RAF Harriers from carriers. Now the Conservatives have sold all our remaining Harriers to the US Marines, scrapped the old carriers and cannot work out what to do with the new ones.
  • Clearly Project fear is getting desperate trying this tripe again. Pound in Isle of Man and Jersey and no attempts there.

  • TUD..You don't seem to give a toss about anything..maybe that is your problem The orignal remark on here, by Redcliffe I think, was that the Scots weere deemed to be expendable as opposed to other regiments or battalions in the British Military...No evidence has been produced to back that up.. do you have any,.

    I certainly don't give a toss about silly, old fools and their illiteracies.
    Richard Dodd has selective amnesia. I said that 26.4% casualties in WW1 wereScottish against a British average of less than half that, under 12% when Scots included and less than 11% in non Scottish soldiers. That shows deaths skewed towards Scottish soldiers, presumably as they were in the areas that people got shot more often. Two and a half times more likely to die. That is not by accident. Face facts Richard.
    I would say that such evidence, left in the fields of France and Belgium including my dad's uncle in December 1916, is obvious to anyone.

  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    So Downing street is engaging with lobbyists Westbourne to target UKIP councillors.And this is the government to take on lobbying.What nonnsense!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10222092/Cameron-strategy-guru-attacks-Clarkes-Ukip-remarks.html
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