Could some of the PB experts clarify whether TRuthy is functionally illiterate when it comes to understanding how to place a comma, or does she actually think 'simply seeking peace is offensive to anyone who's worn the uniform'?
As she's never worn a uniform it's very presumptious. I wore a uniform for 18 years and Jezza's IRA fan boy past doesn't offend me. It's certainly not a positive though an wouldn't incline me to vote for the stupid twat if I were a waverer.
Having read what you read more carefully, are you really saying that what Corbyn did was 'simply seeking peace'? He wanted the IRA to win. He voted against the Good Friday agreement. This is not a sectarian point surely?
Of course it's not a sectarian point, but the fervour with which the Zoomers have been plugging it all weekend does not suggest a party confident in their own prospects
Could some of the PB experts clarify whether TRuthy is functionally illiterate when it comes to understanding how to place a comma, or does she actually think 'simply seeking peace is offensive to anyone who's worn the uniform'?
Mr. Pulpstar, agreed. After the increase in Con and decrease in Lab standings early on and the return pretty much to the status quo ante, it seems to just be drifting along.
Could some of the PB experts clarify whether TRuthy is functionally illiterate when it comes to understanding how to place a comma, or does she actually think 'simply seeking peace is offensive to anyone who's worn the uniform'?
As she's never worn a uniform it's very presumptious. I wore a uniform for 18 years and Jezza's IRA fan boy past doesn't offend me. It's certainly not a positive though an wouldn't incline me to vote for the stupid twat if I were a waverer.
Ruth Davidson served as a Signaller in the Territorial Army for three years (2003–06) before suffering a back injury in a training exercise at Sandhurst.
Could some of the PB experts clarify whether TRuthy is functionally illiterate when it comes to understanding how to place a comma, or does she actually think 'simply seeking peace is offensive to anyone who's worn the uniform'?
Or is a victim of autocorrect who was typing too fast to notice.
The autocorrects I've experienced all seem to correct spelling rather than punctuation. In any case If you're a pol playing with sectarian fire, I'd have hoped you might be extra careful with the message you're trying to get over.
Having read what you read more carefully, are you really saying that what Corbyn did was 'simply seeking peace'? He wanted the IRA to win. He voted against the Good Friday agreement. This is not a sectarian point surely?
It's Davidson's tweet, not mine. It's no secret that the SCons are trying to hook up with the Protestant working class vote. If all that 'the uniform' & 'wanting the IRA to win' guff isn't designed to get their sectarian spidey senses tingling, I'm a panda.
Could some of the PB experts clarify whether TRuthy is functionally illiterate when it comes to understanding how to place a comma, or does she actually think 'simply seeking peace is offensive to anyone who's worn the uniform'?
As she's never worn a uniform it's very presumptious. I wore a uniform for 18 years and Jezza's IRA fan boy past doesn't offend me. It's certainly not a positive though an wouldn't incline me to vote for the stupid twat if I were a waverer.
Come now, she took her well padded backside to a couple of TA weekend yomps. If that's not serving, I don't know what is.
Don't get cocky. Many Leavers voted fully cognisant of the short-medium term risks.
There will be some jobs, and supply chains, that cease to make sense once the UK has left the EU. However, the fundamental attractions of the UK will remain and there will be new opportunities created through new trade deals, and flexibility of applying an independent regulatory regime.
But these will take time to come to fruition, and loss aversion is a very powerful emotion.
One of the fundamental attractions of the UK for inward investors is membership of the single market. The benefits that brings will take many years to replace, let alone supplant. And the harder the Brexit, the longer it will take. But we are where we are and Mrs May has promised that those just about managing will prosper under her government. We shall see.
Could some of the PB experts clarify whether TRuthy is functionally illiterate when it comes to understanding how to place a comma, or does she actually think 'simply seeking peace is offensive to anyone who's worn the uniform'?
As she's never worn a uniform it's very presumptious. I wore a uniform for 18 years and Jezza's IRA fan boy past doesn't offend me. It's certainly not a positive though an wouldn't incline me to vote for the stupid twat if I were a waverer.
Ruth Davidson served as a Signaller in the Territorial Army for three years (2003–06) before suffering a back injury in a training exercise at Sandhurst.
Who's being presumptuous ?
Me, apparently. Just because she answered a few phones at Catterick doesn't give her right to attribute a position to all ex-mil though.
Could some of the PB experts clarify whether TRuthy is functionally illiterate when it comes to understanding how to place a comma, or does she actually think 'simply seeking peace is offensive to anyone who's worn the uniform'?
As she's never worn a uniform it's very presumptious. I wore a uniform for 18 years and Jezza's IRA fan boy past doesn't offend me. It's certainly not a positive though an wouldn't incline me to vote for the stupid twat if I were a waverer.
Ruth Davidson served as a Signaller in the Territorial Army for three years (2003–06) before suffering a back injury in a training exercise at Sandhurst.
Who's being presumptuous ?
Me, apparently. Just because she answered a few phones at Catterick doesn't give her right to attribute a position to all ex-mil though.
So much for little or no switching from labour to Conservative...
I understand from Kevin Foster in Torbay that in one of the more Labour/LibDem parts of the constituency, they were door-knocking and had a run of 11 households voting Conservative for him.
Probably just a statistical freak, but even so.....
So much for little or no switching from labour to Conservative...
I understand from Kevin Foster in Torbay that in one of the more Labour/LibDem parts of the constituency, they were door-knocking and had a run of 11 households voting Conservative for him.
Probably just a statistical freak, but even so.....
Given what we were told two years ago, I'm afraid I'm not going to take any notice of canvassing reports from any side (unless they back up my own prejudices of course).
So much for little or no switching from labour to Conservative...
I understand from Kevin Foster in Torbay that in one of the more Labour/LibDem parts of the constituency, they were door-knocking and had a run of 11 households voting Conservative for him.
Probably just a statistical freak, but even so.....
On the other hand, it could just be your persuasive powers MM!
Could some of the PB experts clarify whether TRuthy is functionally illiterate when it comes to understanding how to place a comma, or does she actually think 'simply seeking peace is offensive to anyone who's worn the uniform'?
As she's never worn a uniform it's very presumptious. I wore a uniform for 18 years and Jezza's IRA fan boy past doesn't offend me. It's certainly not a positive though an wouldn't incline me to vote for the stupid twat if I were a waverer.
Ruth Davidson served as a Signaller in the Territorial Army for three years (2003–06) before suffering a back injury in a training exercise at Sandhurst.
Who's being presumptuous ?
Me, apparently. Just because she answered a few phones at Catterick doesn't give her right to attribute a position to all ex-mil though.
So you think Salmond, who cuts a very unsoldierly figure, should stop pontificating on military matters ?
Could some of the PB experts clarify whether TRuthy is functionally illiterate when it comes to understanding how to place a comma, or does she actually think 'simply seeking peace is offensive to anyone who's worn the uniform'?
Or is a victim of autocorrect who was typing too fast to notice.
The autocorrects I've experienced all seem to correct spelling rather than punctuation. In any case If you're a pol playing with sectarian fire, I'd have hoped you might be extra careful with the message you're trying to get over.
Having read what you read more carefully, are you really saying that what Corbyn did was 'simply seeking peace'? He wanted the IRA to win. He voted against the Good Friday agreement. This is not a sectarian point surely?
It's Davidson's tweet, not mine. It's no secret that the SCons are trying to hook up with the Protestant working class vote. If all that 'the uniform' & 'wanting the IRA to win' guff isn't designed to get their sectarian spidey senses tingling, I'm a panda.
Are you saying she's wrong, that Corbyn didn't want the IRA to win? And if not, do you think it doesn't matter?
Having read what you read more carefully, are you really saying that what Corbyn did was 'simply seeking peace'? He wanted the IRA to win. He voted against the Good Friday agreement. This is not a sectarian point surely?
Of course it's not a sectarian point, but the fervour with which the Zoomers have been plugging it all weekend does not suggest a party confident in their own prospects
I’m sure that LAB and the LDs will seek to make a UKIP pull-out in key general election seats an argument to try to get tactical voting for the contender most able to beat the Conservative. Mike Smithson
And I'm just as sure they won't. A general election is a different kettle of fish from a by-election where parties can focus on the minutiae of the seat.
It sounds like you don't believe that tactical voting happens, that must have an impact on your betting chances.
I never bet on individual constituencies of which I know nothing.
So much for little or no switching from labour to Conservative...
I understand from Kevin Foster in Torbay that in one of the more Labour/LibDem parts of the constituency, they were door-knocking and had a run of 11 households voting Conservative for him.
Probably just a statistical freak, but even so.....
Some of us can remember the classic post on here in the 2005 GE by Rik Willis . In a whole night's canvassing in Sutton and Cheam he had not found a single Lib Dem voter .
So much for little or no switching from labour to Conservative...
I understand from Kevin Foster in Torbay that in one of the more Labour/LibDem parts of the constituency, they were door-knocking and had a run of 11 households voting Conservative for him.
Probably just a statistical freak, but even so.....
Kevin is at 1.22 to hold, which looks good - but even better than that is the 1.44 available in Thornbury & Yate. If Kevin is finding this sort of thing in Torbay then it won't be massively dissimiliar in Thornbury. Luke Hall similiarly has 1st time incumbency. It is a definite bet at 1.44 for me.
Note just noted Kevin actually has a decent majority. A bet at 1.22 as well.
Corbyn's risks on the downside should concern labourites greatly. There is a greater uncertainty to vote, there is clear mood music against him and, crucially, I get the feeling the firming up and increase in Labour VI has earmarks of the Cleggasm- increase in VI amongst those that, in the end, won't turnout in anything like the numbers suggested. It 'feels' like a 50-25 election, not a 45-30 one.
Could some of the PB experts clarify whether TRuthy is functionally illiterate when it comes to understanding how to place a comma, or does she actually think 'simply seeking peace is offensive to anyone who's worn the uniform'?
I'm sick and tired of hearing things From uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypocritics All I want is the TRuth Just gimme some TRuth I've had enough of reading things By neurotic, psychotic, pig-headed politicians All I want is the TRuth Just gimme some TRuth
I hope if he were still with us that John would still be fighting the good fight.
Keep you doped with religion, and sex, and T.V. And you think you're so clever and classless and free But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be
While he wrote pro IRA songs, letting Yoko sing on them could have been his way of putting people off
@PCollinsTimes: Community. Identity. Stability. The Tory offer, 2017. Also the slogan from Aldous Huxley's Brave New World.
Is it just me or is it a refreshing change to have a party, especially one led by a former home secretary, be accused of mimicking Brave New World rather than 1984?
Could some of the PB experts clarify whether TRuthy is functionally illiterate when it comes to understanding how to place a comma, or does she actually think 'simply seeking peace is offensive to anyone who's worn the uniform'?
Or is a victim of autocorrect who was typing too fast to notice.
The autocorrects I've experienced all seem to correct spelling rather than punctuation. In any case If you're a pol playing with sectarian fire, I'd have hoped you might be extra careful with the message you're trying to get over.
Having read what you read more carefully, are you really saying that what Corbyn did was 'simply seeking peace'? He wanted the IRA to win. He voted against the Good Friday agreement. This is not a sectarian point surely?
It's Davidson's tweet, not mine. It's no secret that the SCons are trying to hook up with the Protestant working class vote. If all that 'the uniform' & 'wanting the IRA to win' guff isn't designed to get their sectarian spidey senses tingling, I'm a panda.
Are you saying she's wrong, that Corbyn didn't want the IRA to win? And if not, do you think it doesn't matter?
I'm saying that she's piggybacking on a Crosby inspired strategy for her own low purposes. To be brutally honest I couldn't give a flying feck what Corbyn wanted 25 years ago, or now really.
So much for little or no switching from labour to Conservative...
I understand from Kevin Foster in Torbay that in one of the more Labour/LibDem parts of the constituency, they were door-knocking and had a run of 11 households voting Conservative for him.
Probably just a statistical freak, but even so.....
Some of us can remember the classic post on here in the 2005 GE by Rik Willis . In a whole night's canvassing in Sutton and Cheam he had not found a single Lib Dem voter .
Kevin won't be ramping for the sake of it. Trust me on this.
The political landscape has changed so much the Lib Dems need to reposition. During an election campaign isn't a good time to do it, to be fair to Tim Farron. You will lose your old supporters faster than you can convince new supporters to come on board. I think they need to move to a ticket that is firmly internationalist, connected and which embraces the modern world. Somewhat returning to Liberal roots in the 19th century. Broadly similar to the CDU in Germany and Emmanuel Macron in France, spaces both the Conservative and Labour parties used to hold but have largely abandoned
Chelyabinsk came up with this analysis of centre politics in a previous thread. It identifies eight political tribes: Democratic Socialists and Community - worth 13% of the electorate and Labour core; Common Sense and Our Community - worth 50% of the electorate and claimed by May Conservatism. The remaining four tribes would be amenable to a rebranded Lib Dems and are worth a total of 31% of the electorate. (Both the distinctions between the tribes and their relative weights are fluid). They are:
Progressives (11%) Open, internationalist and inclusive view of Britain, comfortable with immigration. Belief in the welfare state, balanced view towards tax and the economy.
Swing voters (7%) Mixture of views. Support an equal society, internationalist outlook, hard stance on benefits, support a low tax economy
New Britain (6%) Open capitalist economy, pro-immigration, pro-single market, supportive of low tax economy. Business friendly, internationalist, compassionate view of society
Free Liberals (7%) Strong faith in the market, little interest in socially conservative ideas. Strongly pro-business, the most opposed to the welfare state. The most personally optimistic.
All have an internationalist outlook but there is a tension that would need to be managed between those that are supportive or opposed to the welfare state.
I'm more of a classical liberal, but I joined the LibDems when they were founded, and since stood for them twice for parliament and god knows how many times in local elections plus thousands of hours of my time, and decent sums of money (probably millions in opportunity cost - how daft am I?). I've never voted either Tory or Labour. In this election I am probably going to have to vote Tory, despite feeling a little dirty about it, mainly to vote against Labour. I've toyed with the idea of DNV so as not to sully myself.. but that would just make me a virtue signaller and I'd feel worse still about that.
All have an internationalist outlook but there is a tension that would need to be managed between those that are supportive or opposed to the welfare state.
Quite. What you're proposing is to take Progressives (the sort of people who say things like 'the bedroom tax' or 'the benefits cap is the final solution for the poor') and persuade them to join a party with ultra-dry Thatcherite Free Liberals, on the grounds that they are both 'internationalist, connected and embrace the modern world' (whatever that means- is privatising the NHS 'embracing the modern world'?). Bear in mind that the only major political realignments in Britain have resulted from the ability to mobilise particular local or sectional loyalties: the working class for Labour replacing the Liberals, and Scottish national identity for the SNP replacing Labour in Scotland.
Assuming, however, that the Lib Dems can be 100% successful in winning over these voters that leaves them losing to the Tories 50%-30%. In other words more or less where Corbyn is today, but without union backing, residual loyalty and geographically concentrated support. And your only hope of reducing their majority is to appeal to two groups whose no.1 priority is to reduce net migration to below 100,000 per year, using a party whose sole point of connection is that it's internationalist.
It's an interesting thought exercise in turning the Conservatives into the Japanese Liberal Democrats, or the Singaporean People's Action Party, but not much else.
Could some of the PB experts clarify whether TRuthy is functionally illiterate when it comes to understanding how to place a comma, or does she actually think 'simply seeking peace is offensive to anyone who's worn the uniform'?
As she's never worn a uniform it's very presumptious. I wore a uniform for 18 years and Jezza's IRA fan boy past doesn't offend me. It's certainly not a positive though an wouldn't incline me to vote for the stupid twat if I were a waverer.
Having read what you read more carefully, are you really saying that what Corbyn did was 'simply seeking peace'? He wanted the IRA to win. He voted against the Good Friday agreement. This is not a sectarian point surely?
Of course it's not a sectarian point, but the fervour with which the Zoomers have been plugging it all weekend does not suggest a party confident in their own prospects
Negotiating with the enemy is how you bring about peace.
Supporting your enemy is not.
All those Tory examples you mention are about negotiations, not about support, can you not understand the difference? Corbyn opposed the Anglo-Irish Agreement.
Could some of the PB experts clarify whether TRuthy is functionally illiterate when it comes to understanding how to place a comma, or does she actually think 'simply seeking peace is offensive to anyone who's worn the uniform'?
As she's never worn a uniform it's very presumptious. I wore a uniform for 18 years and Jezza's IRA fan boy past doesn't offend me. It's certainly not a positive though an wouldn't incline me to vote for the stupid twat if I were a waverer.
That's pretty much the same result I got after 15 mins with excel a couple of weeks ago. All the Con too close to calls were on the Con gain side.
So all to play for - on both sides! Could be a great night for SCON.....or not......
I hope that fewer than 5 Con MPs are returned from north of the border. The smaller May's majority, the better.
We have different fish to fry in Scotland, haddock instead of cod, and different priorities. I will be cheering any SLAB or Lib Dem gains north of the border almost as loudly as the Tory ones.
Thank goodness that the SCons have almost entirely absorbed Scottish kipperdom so you're not in the awkward (though admittedly unlikely) position of hoping for UKIP success.
True, there are limits even for me.
Did you vote Labour last time round ? SNP looks a forgone conclusion in Dundee this time I guess with Labour nowhere near so no need to even consider it this time.
No. I would have done if the polling had indicated that Labour had any chance but they clearly didn't. According to the local election results it is not even clear that Labour will come second in Dundee West this time. Remarkable.
I hope CCHQ are monitoring the amount of coverage Jeremy Corbyn is getting. He was on three channels, Victoria Derbyshire, Parliament and SKY, this morning, for quite some considerable time. BBC had a breaking news headline, citing the extra 37 bn for the NHS.
Could some of the PB experts clarify whether TRuthy is functionally illiterate when it comes to understanding how to place a comma, or does she actually think 'simply seeking peace is offensive to anyone who's worn the uniform'?
Or is a victim of autocorrect who was typing too fast to notice.
The autocorrects I've experienced all seem to correct spelling rather than punctuation. In any case If you're a pol playing with sectarian fire, I'd have hoped you might be extra careful with the message you're trying to get over.
Having read what you read more carefully, are you really saying that what Corbyn did was 'simply seeking peace'? He wanted the IRA to win. He voted against the Good Friday agreement. This is not a sectarian point surely?
It's Davidson's tweet, not mine. It's no secret that the SCons are trying to hook up with the Protestant working class vote. If all that 'the uniform' & 'wanting the IRA to win' guff isn't designed to get their sectarian spidey senses tingling, I'm a panda.
Are you saying she's wrong, that Corbyn didn't want the IRA to win? And if not, do you think it doesn't matter?
I'm saying that she's piggybacking on a Crosby inspired strategy for her own low purposes. To be brutally honest I couldn't give a flying feck what Corbyn wanted 25 years ago, or now really.
It's not like the other side in that conflict had clean hands. Nobody emerges from it in a state of beatitude.
Remember when Ruth rode the quad bike. That was brilliant.
Could some of the PB experts clarify whether TRuthy is functionally illiterate when it comes to understanding how to place a comma, or does she actually think 'simply seeking peace is offensive to anyone who's worn the uniform'?
I'm sick and tired of hearing things From uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypocritics All I want is the TRuth Just gimme some TRuth I've had enough of reading things By neurotic, psychotic, pig-headed politicians All I want is the TRuth Just gimme some TRuth
I hope if he were still with us that John would still be fighting the good fight.
Keep you doped with religion, and sex, and T.V. And you think you're so clever and classless and free But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be
The political landscape has changed so much the Lib Dems need to reposition. During an election campaign isn't a good time to do it, to be fair to Tim Farron. You will lose your old supporters faster than you can convince new supporters to come on board. I think they need to move to a ticket that is firmly internationalist, connected and which embraces the modern world. Somewhat returning to Liberal roots in the 19th century. Broadly similar to the CDU in Germany and Emmanuel Macron in France, spaces both the Conservative and Labour parties used to hold but have largely abandoned
Chelyabinsk came up with this analysis of centre politics in a previous thread. It identifies eight political tribes: Democratic Socialists and Community - worth 13% of the electorate and Labour core; Common Sense and Our Community - worth 50% of the electorate and claimed by May Conservatism. The remaining four tribes would be amenable to a rebranded Lib Dems and are worth a total of 31% of the electorate. (Both the distinctions between the tribes and their relative weights are fluid). They are:
Progressives (11%) Open, internationalist and inclusive view of Britain, comfortable with immigration. Belief in the welfare state, balanced view towards tax and the economy.
Swing voters (7%) Mixture of views. Support an equal society, internationalist outlook, hard stance on benefits, support a low tax economy
New Britain (6%) Open capitalist economy, pro-immigration, pro-single market, supportive of low tax economy. Business friendly, internationalist, compassionate view of society
Free Liberals (7%) Strong faith in the market, little interest in socially conservative ideas. Strongly pro-business, the most opposed to the welfare state. The most personally optimistic.
All have an internationalist outlook but there is a tension that would need to be managed between those that are supportive or opposed to the welfare state.
I'm more of a classical liberal, but I joined the LibDems when they were founded, and since stood for them twice for parliament and god knows how many times in local elections plus thousands of hours of my time, and decent sums of money (probably millions in opportunity cost - how daft am I?). I've never voted either Tory or Labour. In this election I am probably going to have to vote Tory, despite feeling a little dirty about it, mainly to vote against Labour. I've toyed with the idea of DNV so as not to sully myself.. but that would just make me a virtue signaller and I'd feel worse still about that.
Welcome to the PBTories.
More seriously, if the Libs can't hang on to Ex Parly candidates, they're going to struggle with the average voter...
Could some of the PB experts clarify whether TRuthy is functionally illiterate when it comes to understanding how to place a comma, or does she actually think 'simply seeking peace is offensive to anyone who's worn the uniform'?
As she's never worn a uniform it's very presumptious. I wore a uniform for 18 years and Jezza's IRA fan boy past doesn't offend me. It's certainly not a positive though an wouldn't incline me to vote for the stupid twat if I were a waverer.
SKY still chasing Jeremy Hunt. I really detest this media obsession with harassing politician's outside their homes. It's pretty obvious Jeremy Hunt will not be Health Secretary after this election. Who would want this job, I have no idea.
Could some of the PB experts clarify whether TRuthy is functionally illiterate when it comes to understanding how to place a comma, or does she actually think 'simply seeking peace is offensive to anyone who's worn the uniform'?
I'm sick and tired of hearing things From uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypocritics All I want is the TRuth Just gimme some TRuth I've had enough of reading things By neurotic, psychotic, pig-headed politicians All I want is the TRuth Just gimme some TRuth
I hope if he were still with us that John would still be fighting the good fight.
Keep you doped with religion, and sex, and T.V. And you think you're so clever and classless and free But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be
Man was a genius. A genuine poet for his times.
Yep. After going through the 'Imagine is a good if ubiquitous pop song' to 'It's a pile of sentimental dreck!' process, I got an emotional jag from it when I heard it a few weeks ago.
Could some of the PB experts clarify whether TRuthy is functionally illiterate when it comes to understanding how to place a comma, or does she actually think 'simply seeking peace is offensive to anyone who's worn the uniform'?
I'm sick and tired of hearing things From uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypocritics All I want is the TRuth Just gimme some TRuth I've had enough of reading things By neurotic, psychotic, pig-headed politicians All I want is the TRuth Just gimme some TRuth
I hope if he were still with us that John would still be fighting the good fight.
Keep you doped with religion, and sex, and T.V. And you think you're so clever and classless and free But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be
Man was a genius. A genuine poet for his times.
I used to live near Weybridge when Lennon was there and I've heard plenty of stories from local tradesmen about how badly Lennon would treat workmen; he wouldn't let them use any of the loos in his house, he wouldn't let his first wife Cynthia make coffee for them, etc. They all thought Cynthia was lovely.
Could some of the PB experts clarify whether TRuthy is functionally illiterate when it comes to understanding how to place a comma, or does she actually think 'simply seeking peace is offensive to anyone who's worn the uniform'?
I'm sick and tired of hearing things From uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypocritics All I want is the TRuth Just gimme some TRuth I've had enough of reading things By neurotic, psychotic, pig-headed politicians All I want is the TRuth Just gimme some TRuth
I hope if he were still with us that John would still be fighting the good fight.
Keep you doped with religion, and sex, and T.V. And you think you're so clever and classless and free But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be
Man was a genius. A genuine poet for his times.
Yep. After going through the 'Imagine is a good if ubiquitous pop song' to 'It's a pile of sentimental dreck!' process, I had an emotional jag from it when I heard it a few weeks ago.
Could some of the PB experts clarify whether TRuthy is functionally illiterate when it comes to understanding how to place a comma, or does she actually think 'simply seeking peace is offensive to anyone who's worn the uniform'?
I'm sick and tired of hearing things From uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypocritics All I want is the TRuth Just gimme some TRuth I've had enough of reading things By neurotic, psychotic, pig-headed politicians All I want is the TRuth Just gimme some TRuth
I hope if he were still with us that John would still be fighting the good fight.
Keep you doped with religion, and sex, and T.V. And you think you're so clever and classless and free But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be
Man was a genius. A genuine poet for his times.
I used to live near Weybridge when Lennon was there and I've heard plenty of stories from local tradesmen about how badly Lennon would treat workmen; he wouldn't let them use any of the loos in his house, he wouldn't let his first wife Cynthia make coffee for them, etc. They all thought Cynthia was lovely.
Unfortunately geniuses are not always nice people.
All have an internationalist outlook but there is a tension that would need to be managed between those that are supportive or opposed to the welfare state.
Quite. What you're proposing is to take Progressives (the sort of people who say things like 'the bedroom tax' or 'the benefits cap is the final solution for the poor') and persuade them to join a party with ultra-dry Thatcherite Free Liberals, on the grounds that they are both 'internationalist, connected and embrace the modern world' (whatever that means- is privatising the NHS 'embracing the modern world'?). Bear in mind that the only major political realignments in Britain have resulted from the ability to mobilise particular local or sectional loyalties: the working class for Labour replacing the Liberals, and Scottish national identity for the SNP replacing Labour in Scotland.
Assuming, however, that the Lib Dems can be 100% successful in winning over these voters that leaves them losing to the Tories 50%-30%. In other words more or less where Corbyn is today, but without union backing, residual loyalty and geographically concentrated support. And your only hope of reducing their majority is to appeal to two groups whose no.1 priority is to reduce net migration to below 100,000 per year, using a party whose sole point of connection is that it's internationalist.
It's an interesting thought exercise in turning the Conservatives into the Japanese Liberal Democrats, or the Singaporean People's Action Party, but not much else.
Top post.
If Mrs May succeeds in uniting the Right for the first time since the 80s there will be only footnotes in history for the Posh Boys' small victory in 2015.
Remarkable performance by the greens with no candidate there.
More than a month old but it shows to me the risks of the Unionist vote splitting rather too neatly. My guess is that the Tories will do a bit better and Labour a little worse. Will it be good enough to hang on? That is the question.
Could some of the PB experts clarify whether TRuthy is functionally illiterate when it comes to understanding how to place a comma, or does she actually think 'simply seeking peace is offensive to anyone who's worn the uniform'?
Or is a victim of autocorrect who was typing too fast to notice.
The autocorrects I've experienced all seem to correct spelling rather than punctuation. In any case If you're a pol playing with sectarian fire, I'd have hoped you might be extra careful with the message you're trying to get over.
Having read what you read more carefully, are you really saying that what Corbyn did was 'simply seeking peace'? He wanted the IRA to win. He voted against the Good Friday agreement. This is not a sectarian point surely?
It's Davidson's tweet, not mine. It's no secret that the SCons are trying to hook up with the Protestant working class vote. If all that 'the uniform' & 'wanting the IRA to win' guff isn't designed to get their sectarian spidey senses tingling, I'm a panda.
Remarkable performance by the greens with no candidate there.
Aye, and if we buy the 'Greens wholly owned subsidiary of the SNP' line by the SCons, that means SNP within moe of SLab. I'll take a wild guess that there will be much protestations that it'll not be as simple as that!
On topic, I think the UKIP collapse clearly benefits the Tories. That's the message from the local elections and all polls.
But there may be merit in the argument that it is better for the Tories in many places to face a much weakened UKIP than for UKIP to withdraw completely in their favour. There is no question at all but that Labour and Lib Dem candidates will use UKIP withdrawal in favour of the Tories as a key tactical message, not just with progressives but with soft Tory Remainers, and that it will be quite successful.
Of course if you add the SNP and Greens together it takes the seat to within 3 points. I'm not sure that the Stop Brexit alliance (who comissioned the poll) tactics have been fully thought through!
So much for little or no switching from labour to Conservative...
I understand from Kevin Foster in Torbay that in one of the more Labour/LibDem parts of the constituency, they were door-knocking and had a run of 11 households voting Conservative for him.
Probably just a statistical freak, but even so.....
Kevin is at 1.22 to hold, which looks good - but even better than that is the 1.44 available in Thornbury & Yate. If Kevin is finding this sort of thing in Torbay then it won't be massively dissimiliar in Thornbury. Luke Hall similiarly has 1st time incumbency. It is a definite bet at 1.44 for me.
Note just noted Kevin actually has a decent majority. A bet at 1.22 as well.
Kevin has:
- a handy majority of 3,286
- first-term incumbency. Plus he has honoured his pledge to give his Westminster pay-rise to local charities. And a weekly e-mail message to constituents about what has been happening at Westminster/in the constituency that so far has nearly 4,000 households signed up.
- A LibDem opponent only recently chosen. She has limited ties to the constituency, working in Exeter. There are issues about how much time she will have free to canvass. The former MP, Adrian Sanders, declined to stand again.
- A UKIP vote of 6,500 to plunder. UKIP are standing, but are not having the national spend they had last time (bus ads, etc)
- an enthused team that had already delivered 70,000 leaflets before the LibDems candidate was chosen.
Fair to say, Kevin is taking nothing for granted, but spirits are high.
Confirming that review would include Trident, he said: "Nuclear will be included in that. The bigger threats we face are actually, I think, cyber-attacks and... irrational acts of terrorism."
Mr. P, it's an obviously bizarre position to hold by Sturgeon.
May is surely within her rights to insist that if the Leave vote is being used as a pretext to hold a second referendum, the implication is there that an independent Scotland must look to Rejoin the EU and hence that should be on the ballot paper: "Should Scotland leave the United Kingdom and seek membership of the European Union?", perhaps.
Confirming that review would include Trident, he said: "Nuclear will be included in that. The bigger threats we face are actually, I think, cyber-attacks and... irrational acts of terrorism."
Irrational acts of terrorism? Corbyn is unhinged.
He has just hired a communist to run the election campaign, unhinged is too kind a word.
Laying the Republicans against their winning a plurality in the French national assembly elections at 4.3 could be reasonable. LR+UDI are polling equal second with the FN at 21% for R1, behind the Macron alliance EM-MoDem on 29%, suggesting they will win 40-80 fewer seats than Macron in metropolitan France excluding Corsica. There are 42 other seats: 11 for residents abroad, 27 for overseas France, and four for Corsica. Of those, nine are currently LR and I have no idea how many EM might win. The catch is that Betfair are listing as options "The Republicans" and "En Marche" rather than the two electoral alliances. François Bayrou's MoDem currently holds only a single seat.
Not sure I see why this is new-worthy. It's automatic - if Scotland secedes, it's a new nation state, and thus outside the EU. Nothing she can do about it either way.
Imagine is a ballad to hypocrisy. "Imagine there's no money" said the man, playing his piano in his mansion.
Mr. WC, look at it the other way. Imagine (ahem) you'd only ever acted in financial interest. Your bank balance might be larger, but would it be worth swapping your principles and hopes for cash?
Could some of the PB experts clarify whether TRuthy is functionally illiterate when it comes to understanding how to place a comma, or does she actually think 'simply seeking peace is offensive to anyone who's worn the uniform'?
Or is a victim of autocorrect who was typing too fast to notice.
The autocorrects I've experienced all seem to correct spelling rather than punctuation. In any case If you're a pol playing with sectarian fire, I'd have hoped you might be extra careful with the message you're trying to get over.
Having read what you read more carefully, are you really saying that what Corbyn did was 'simply seeking peace'? He wanted the IRA to win. He voted against the Good Friday agreement. This is not a sectarian point surely?
It's Davidson's tweet, not mine. It's no secret that the SCons are trying to hook up with the Protestant working class vote. If all that 'the uniform' & 'wanting the IRA to win' guff isn't designed to get their sectarian spidey senses tingling, I'm a panda.
Are you saying she's wrong, that Corbyn didn't want the IRA to win? And if not, do you think it doesn't matter?
I'm saying that she's piggybacking on a Crosby inspired strategy for her own low purposes. To be brutally honest I couldn't give a flying feck what Corbyn wanted 25 years ago, or now really.
Ruth and SCON appear to be courting the Orange/Loyalist Rangers vote, in much the same way that Jim Murphy tried to target minority groups in GE2015, they seem to think that people won't notice !!
Could some of the PB experts clarify whether TRuthy is functionally illiterate when it comes to understanding how to place a comma, or does she actually think 'simply seeking peace is offensive to anyone who's worn the uniform'?
Or is a victim of autocorrect who was typing too fast to notice.
The autocorrects I've experienced all seem to correct spelling rather than punctuation. In any case If you're a pol playing with sectarian fire, I'd have hoped you might be extra careful with the message you're trying to get over.
Having read what you read more carefully, are you really saying that what Corbyn did was 'simply seeking peace'? He wanted the IRA to win. He voted against the Good Friday agreement. This is not a sectarian point surely?
It's Davidson's tweet, not mine. It's no secret that the SCons are trying to hook up with the Protestant working class vote. If all that 'the uniform' & 'wanting the IRA to win' guff isn't designed to get their sectarian spidey senses tingling, I'm a panda.
Are you saying she's wrong, that Corbyn didn't want the IRA to win? And if not, do you think it doesn't matter?
I'm saying that she's piggybacking on a Crosby inspired strategy for her own low purposes. To be brutally honest I couldn't give a flying feck what Corbyn wanted 25 years ago, or now really.
Ruth and SCON appear to be courting the Orange/Loyalist Rangers vote, in much the same way that Jim Murphy tried to target minority groups in GE2015, they seem to think that people won't notice !!
Has a big May/Davidson banner been unveiled by the Gers yet ?
Imagine is a ballad to hypocrisy. "Imagine there's no money" said the man, playing his piano in his mansion.
Mr. WC, look at it the other way. Imagine (ahem) you'd only ever acted in financial interest. Your bank balance might be larger, but would it be worth swapping your principles and hopes for cash?
Did you like yesterday's Lake Trasimene reference?
If you didn't get it/don't know about the ambush at Lake Trasimene, I'm quite happy to explain it to you.
Mr. Eagles, just how are the 'workers rights' meant to be funded?
To be honest, the more I hear from the Conservatives, the less I'm likely to vote for them.
And then Labour pipe up with their tax-and-spend socialism, led by Corbyn. For ****'s sake. Labour deserves to be crushed for their idiocy putting that far left lunatic onto the shortlist.
Mr. Eagles (2), unfortunately, whilst I did notice it, I was too busy working on Wandering Phoenix and Roaming Tiger (top 5 on the Asian Myths lists on Amazon UK and US, you know) *and* the F1 stuff to respond.
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http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2017/05/there-new-consensus-germany-brexit-should-be-clean-and-britain-should-pay-it
CON 47% (+10) LAB 30% (nc) LD 7% (-1) UKIP 4% (-9) SNP 5% (nc) GRE 3% (-1) OTH 4% (nc)
I can't recall seeing it. It appears to be a telephone poll for ITV/GMB.
All the polling seems to have levelled off somewhat recently.
Mr. Pulpstar, agreed. After the increase in Con and decrease in Lab standings early on and the return pretty much to the status quo ante, it seems to just be drifting along.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Davidson#Early_career
Who's being presumptuous ?
It's no secret that the SCons are trying to hook up with the Protestant working class vote. If all that 'the uniform' & 'wanting the IRA to win' guff isn't designed to get their sectarian spidey senses tingling, I'm a panda.
Either we could have Corbyn beating Miliband's % or a twenty plus point gap. Both are still well possible.
Oh, wait...
https://twitter.com/severincarrell/status/864050690301333504
Take the hit on the chin, and jog on.
Probably just a statistical freak, but even so.....
Con .......... 396
Labour ...... 172
SNP ............. 55
Lib Dem ........ 5
UKIP .............. 0
Plaid ............. 3
Greens ...........1
N.I. ..............18
Total ......... 650
Tory Maj .... 142
(unless they back up my own prejudices of course).https://twitter.com/PeterKGeoghegan/status/863841628854919168
https://twitter.com/BraidenHT/status/863717986288504832
https://twitter.com/LADFLEG/status/864024143725047808
https://twitter.com/PIN_VID/status/864049857627140096
I think they are still largely in denial, although there is more deflection now onto the "unreasonableness" of the EU.
If Kevin is finding this sort of thing in Torbay then it won't be massively dissimiliar in Thornbury. Luke Hall similiarly has 1st time incumbency. It is a definite bet at 1.44 for me.
Note just noted Kevin actually has a decent majority. A bet at 1.22 as well.
It 'feels' like a 50-25 election, not a 45-30 one.
https://youtu.be/mSrev038hlo
Assuming, however, that the Lib Dems can be 100% successful in winning over these voters that leaves them losing to the Tories 50%-30%. In other words more or less where Corbyn is today, but without union backing, residual loyalty and geographically concentrated support. And your only hope of reducing their majority is to appeal to two groups whose no.1 priority is to reduce net migration to below 100,000 per year, using a party whose sole point of connection is that it's internationalist.
It's an interesting thought exercise in turning the Conservatives into the Japanese Liberal Democrats, or the Singaporean People's Action Party, but not much else.
Supporting your enemy is not.
All those Tory examples you mention are about negotiations, not about support, can you not understand the difference? Corbyn opposed the Anglo-Irish Agreement.
Sporting:
Con ............ 394 - 400
Lab ............. 156 - 162
LibDem ........ 15 - 18
Spreadex:
Con ............ 395 - 401
Lab ............. 157 - 163
LibDem ........ 15 - 18
Propaganda however...
https://twitter.com/kevverage/status/863701487763034112
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/facebook-ads-who-targets-me-election_uk_5914bef7e4b00f308cf3cb8b?ir=UK+Politics&utm_hp_ref=uk-politics&-uk
"Events, events, dear boy".
Remember when Ruth rode the quad bike. That was brilliant.
More seriously, if the Libs can't hang on to Ex Parly candidates, they're going to struggle with the average voter...
And a flag. Musn't forget the flag.
Your tax dollars at work...
After going through the 'Imagine is a good if ubiquitous pop song' to 'It's a pile of sentimental dreck!' process, I got an emotional jag from it when I heard it a few weeks ago.
If Mrs May succeeds in uniting the Right for the first time since the 80s there will be only footnotes in history for the Posh Boys' small victory in 2015.
Edinburgh South looks a constituency to dodge for me in betting terms.
One for the real gamblers.
I'll take a wild guess that there will be much protestations that it'll not be as simple as that!
But there may be merit in the argument that it is better for the Tories in many places to face a much weakened UKIP than for UKIP to withdraw completely in their favour. There is no question at all but that Labour and Lib Dem candidates will use UKIP withdrawal in favour of the Tories as a key tactical message, not just with progressives but with soft Tory Remainers, and that it will be quite successful.
Of course if you add the SNP and Greens together it takes the seat to within 3 points. I'm not sure that the Stop Brexit alliance (who comissioned the poll) tactics have been fully thought through!
- a handy majority of 3,286
- first-term incumbency. Plus he has honoured his pledge to give his Westminster pay-rise to local charities. And a weekly e-mail message to constituents about what has been happening at Westminster/in the constituency that so far has nearly 4,000 households signed up.
- A LibDem opponent only recently chosen. She has limited ties to the constituency, working in Exeter. There are issues about how much time she will have free to canvass. The former MP, Adrian Sanders, declined to stand again.
- A UKIP vote of 6,500 to plunder. UKIP are standing, but are not having the national spend they had last time (bus ads, etc)
- an enthused team that had already delivered 70,000 leaflets before the LibDems candidate was chosen.
Fair to say, Kevin is taking nothing for granted, but spirits are high.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFOoRAp5QtM
Confirming that review would include Trident, he said: "Nuclear will be included in that. The bigger threats we face are actually, I think, cyber-attacks and... irrational acts of terrorism."
Irrational acts of terrorism? Corbyn is unhinged.
It would result in 55 SNP, 2 Tories, 1 Lib, and Edinburgh South for Labour!
It was just for fun.
Canvassing in S London Labour seat and every 2nd house it was Jeremy. Never heard such hostility in 4 decades.
Have fallen apart quicker than cheap bog roll in a tank of water
Not sure I see why this is new-worthy. It's automatic - if Scotland secedes, it's a new nation state, and thus outside the EU. Nothing she can do about it either way.
GO £9 by 2020
TM £8,20 BY 2020
But year off on no pay
This is particularly a difficulty with regard to the SNP where Jim Eadie is a well known and highly regarded former MSP for the area.
Mr. WC, look at it the other way. Imagine (ahem) you'd only ever acted in financial interest. Your bank balance might be larger, but would it be worth swapping your principles and hopes for cash?
If you didn't get it/don't know about the ambush at Lake Trasimene, I'm quite happy to explain it to you.
To be honest, the more I hear from the Conservatives, the less I'm likely to vote for them.
And then Labour pipe up with their tax-and-spend socialism, led by Corbyn. For ****'s sake. Labour deserves to be crushed for their idiocy putting that far left lunatic onto the shortlist.
More Tory lies perhaps she will get promoted by May