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edited August 2013 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Harry Hayfield previews today’s Ynys Môn Assembly By-Election

It’s been quite a while since we have had an Assembly by-election (in fact well over seven years), but Ynys Môn is a by-election without compare. Firstly, the former member is still with us.

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  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    First!
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    FPT
    tim said:

    @Avery.

    If Osborne stays in office a decade he's unlikely to reduce public spending to pre crash levels which Labour and Lib Dem voters were happy with, yet the Tories seem to think were reckless

    @tim

    Between the fiscal year end of 2009-10 and that of 2012-13, Osborne has reduced public spending from 47.0% of GDP to 43.1% of GDP, or 3.9% in three full years.

    At that rate of reduction, he will more than reduce spending below the end 2007-8 year of 40.5% (range for 2005-2008 = 40.3%-40.6%).

    Pray tell me, sir, do you think Osborne is about to embark on a splurge of public spending of Brownian proportions?

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @tim

    You'd have thought that one of his colleagues might have had a word with Pickles and told him to dial it down a notch.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    tim said:

    FPT

    "Ah, is this what the Big Society has come to? Incurring significant legal fees to try and do down a voluntary organisation that represents thousands of people? It's politics but it's very strange politics."

    It's not strange politics if you're a party that is driven by contempt.
    Contempt for trade unionists, immigrants, women, the North East, sorry North West, the disabled, public sector workers, private sector trade unionists, and so on.

    Frack away,south here we come ;-)

    The only way the Tories can show they care about the North is to permit fracking in Sussex

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-week/leading-article/8979511/the-only-way-the-tories-can-show-they-care-about-the-north-is-to-permit-fracking-in-sussex/

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,068
    tim said:

    FPT

    "Ah, is this what the Big Society has come to? Incurring significant legal fees to try and do down a voluntary organisation that represents thousands of people? It's politics but it's very strange politics."

    It's not strange politics if you're a party that is driven by contempt.
    Contempt for trade unionists, immigrants, women, the North East, sorry North West, the disabled, public sector workers, private sector trade unionists, and so on.

    Probably the most worried I've seen you for a while.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @tim

    Lord JohnO of Hersham and Bournemouth is the man for the job.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited August 2013
    If fracking takes place in Surrey/Sussex then the Tories will be accused of keeping all the jobs down south, but if that is where the stuf is then go and get it..
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Really enjoyed reading the above from HH, super preview of the contest.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,345

    tim said:

    FPT

    "Ah, is this what the Big Society has come to? Incurring significant legal fees to try and do down a voluntary organisation that represents thousands of people? It's politics but it's very strange politics."

    It's not strange politics if you're a party that is driven by contempt.
    Contempt for trade unionists, immigrants, women, the North East, sorry North West, the disabled, public sector workers, private sector trade unionists, and so on.

    Probably the most worried I've seen you for a while.
    More hesitant and confused than worried.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Daniel Finkelstein @Dannythefink

    @johnprescott Thanks :-) I look forward to learning from you, your experience & your knowledge. It will be fascinating to serve with you

    Get the sick bag ;-)
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    On topic
    All the feedback I am getting is of a comfortable Plaid hold with Labour 2nd . The Conservative vote well down and struggling for 3rd with UKIP . The Lib Dem vote up a bit .
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    tim said:



    Nigel Farage is furious that no new UKIP peers have been ennobled despite getting three times the vote share of the Greens in 2010:

    And now they have three times the number of peers that the Green party has. What's his complaint?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,082
    Good to see PB on page 2 of the Sunday Times this week.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,082
    UKIP beating the Tories in Ynys Mon is just the publicity they need at this stage after a few weeks of falling poll ratings.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    tim said:

    FPT

    "Ah, is this what the Big Society has come to? Incurring significant legal fees to try and do down a voluntary organisation that represents thousands of people? It's politics but it's very strange politics."

    It's not strange politics if you're a party that is driven by contempt.
    Contempt for trade unionists, immigrants, women, the North East, sorry North West, the disabled, public sector workers, private sector trade unionists, and so on.

    Probably the most worried I've seen you for a while.
    Its sooo unfair!

    Mirroring the leader - reactive whining , not setting the weather, complaining and moaning but offering nothing.

  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,364

    Perhaps the Northwest should take all the fracking jobs and then declare UDI? We could be self-sufficient is gas.

    There's a pub near Waterloo station (Merseyside, not that insignificant place in London) where they have pictures of all the leading UK politicians and below them is a big notice saying "BARRED". The two Eds' pictures are particularly hideous but even Danny Alexander is included.

    Margaret Thatchers' has recently had a banner put across it which reads "Nice try, Maggie, but you're still barred."

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Neil said:

    tim said:



    Nigel Farage is furious that no new UKIP peers have been ennobled despite getting three times the vote share of the Greens in 2010:

    And now they have three times the number of peers that the Green party has. What's his complaint?
    Neil

    It must be sad for the Greens no longer to be the party without peer.

  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Andy_JS said:

    UKIP beating the Tories in Ynys Mon is just the publicity they need at this stage after a few weeks of falling poll ratings.

    I don't think the UKIP vote share will be that high , without the "Druid" as their candidate the Conservative vote share will probably fall dramatically .
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited August 2013
    Andy_JS said:

    UKIP beating the Tories in Ynys Mon is just the publicity they need at this stage after a few weeks of falling poll ratings.

    Are we confident UKIP know where Ynys Môn is located?

    The name of the constituency might sound a bit foreign to kippers.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    edited August 2013
    tim said:

    TGOHF said:

    tim said:

    FPT

    "Ah, is this what the Big Society has come to? Incurring significant legal fees to try and do down a voluntary organisation that represents thousands of people? It's politics but it's very strange politics."

    It's not strange politics if you're a party that is driven by contempt.
    Contempt for trade unionists, immigrants, women, the North East, sorry North West, the disabled, public sector workers, private sector trade unionists, and so on.

    Probably the most worried I've seen you for a while.
    Its sooo unfair!

    Mirroring the leader - reactive whining , not setting the weather, complaining and moaning but offering nothing.


    Stick to claiming that it costs £10 per head per month to collect union dues, at least that was funny

    Thin gruel.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @AveryLP

    And you havent even seen that peer at work yet!
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,520
    An excellent preview from Harry on what looks like a fascinating contest, not only at the top of the ballot paper but also with some interesting questions further down (how well will the Tory vote hold up? Will the Lib Dems hold their deposit (and where will they finish)? How will UKIP perform?).

    I was amused by the following sentance though: "[Ynys Mon is] the only constituency in the whole of the United Kingdom to have been represented at Westminster by all four mainstream parties in Wales". I think I know what he means?

    On a similar theme, how many other constituencies are there to have elected four parties since WWII? There can't be many.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    An excellent preview from Harry on what looks like a fascinating contest, not only at the top of the ballot paper but also with some interesting questions further down (how well will the Tory vote hold up? Will the Lib Dems hold their deposit (and where will they finish)? How will UKIP perform?).

    I was amused by the following sentance though: "[Ynys Mon is] the only constituency in the whole of the United Kingdom to have been represented at Westminster by all four mainstream parties in Wales". I think I know what he means?

    On a similar theme, how many other constituencies are there to have elected four parties since WWII? There can't be many.

    The Conservative vote base is nowhere near what they achieved in 2011 . Paul Williams AKA " The Druid " attracted many non Conservative votes .

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983


    On a similar theme, how many other constituencies are there to have elected four parties since WWII? There can't be many.

    If you extend it to the 20th century as a whole then I have one!

    West Fife - Liberal, Labour, Conservative, Communist

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    East Dunbartonshire elected a Tory in Feb 1974, a Scots Nat in Oct 1974, a Labour MP in 1979, was abolished between 1983 and 2005, when it returned a Lib Dem. So in four successive elections in the constituency it elected four different flavours of MP.
  • Rexel56Rexel56 Posts: 807
    tim said:

    FPT

    "Ah, is this what the Big Society has come to? Incurring significant legal fees to try and do down a voluntary organisation that represents thousands of people? It's politics but it's very strange politics."

    It's not strange politics if you're a party that is driven by contempt.
    Contempt for trade unionists, immigrants, women, the North East, sorry North West, the disabled, public sector workers, private sector trade unionists, and so on.

    Er tim, have you not noticed that you are a man driven by contempt...
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Rexel56 said:

    tim said:

    FPT

    "Ah, is this what the Big Society has come to? Incurring significant legal fees to try and do down a voluntary organisation that represents thousands of people? It's politics but it's very strange politics."

    It's not strange politics if you're a party that is driven by contempt.
    Contempt for trade unionists, immigrants, women, the North East, sorry North West, the disabled, public sector workers, private sector trade unionists, and so on.

    Er tim, have you not noticed that you are a man driven by contempt...
    He's waving his fist - not drowning.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    How about West Belfast (since the war): Irish Labour party, UUP, Sinn Fein, SDLP (plus whatever else Gerry Fitt stood as).
  • To be honest I'd struggle to take a political article writer seriously who says he lives in Wales and yet claims that the election hasn't been mentioned on the television here until last Thursday!

    One can only assume that Harry has been in a coma with a broken down TV set during most of the last month.


    So perhaps not the best chap to take your lead from in political discussion if he's that unaware of the political debate going on around him in Wales.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Apols if posted before:

    "EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson will not be standing in 2015"

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/07/exclusive-boris-will-not-be-standing-in-2015/
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,082
    These were the local election results in May for Anglesey:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At91c3wX1Wu5dEhIamVuN3VKbGwxN1doUGlTdjlVR0E&usp=drive_web#gid=0

    The overall percentages were as follows:

    Ind 28.10%
    PC 25.46%
    Lab 17.70%
    UKIP 12.55%
    Con 7.63%
    LD 6.66%
    Others 1.90%
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Andy_JS said:

    These were the local election results in May for Anglesey:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At91c3wX1Wu5dEhIamVuN3VKbGwxN1doUGlTdjlVR0E&usp=drive_web#gid=0

    The overall percentages were as follows:

    Ind 28.10%
    PC 25.46%
    Lab 17.70%
    UKIP 12.55%
    Con 7.63%
    LD 6.66%
    Others 1.90%

    There were Ind/Plaid/Lab and UKIP candidates in all 11 wards , Conservatives in 10 and LD in just 3 .

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,082
    O/T:

    The FDP in Germany is now on at least 5% with all the main opinion pollsters:

    http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/index.htm
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    James Forsyth:

    "The next Tory leadership battle is Boris Johnson vs Theresa May – and it’s already started."

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/8979591/the-next-tory-leadership-battle-is-boris-johnson-vs-theresa-may-and-its-already-started/
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,462
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Thanks to Mr. Hayfield for an interesting piece. I didn't know the Welsh used circumflexes.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited August 2013
    Break! Into! Quick! Time!

    The good news of the Markit/CIPS Manufacturing PMI for July has already been announced to PB.

    But the density of favourable indicators needs to be stressed. Not only is the index at a 29 month high, but both output and orders are up with price pressures subdued. The growth is broadly based with finished goods, intermediates and investment products all increasing their rates of growth. The index was driven up by increased demand in the domestic consumer markets but also underpinned by rising export sales both to the new BRICs markets and the Eurozone. And to top it all off, inventories of finished goods stocks fell (creating future replacement demand) and employment in almost all sectors rose at accelerated rates.

    Perhaps it is best left to Markit's partner, the Chartered Institute for Purchasing and Supply, to set out the implications for the UK economy. Here is Roger Noble, their CEO:

    The much vaunted march of the makers has finally materialised with the UK manufacturing sector’s output growth hitting a 29-month high in July. Exports have been critical to this success, but it is the broad based nature of the sector’s performance which endorses the view we are on track for solid and accelerated growth in the coming months.

    The ability of British manufacturers to market themselves abroad was always seen as crucial to long-term success and so it has proved. New export business has grown at its quickest rate in two years in a sign that macro-economic conditions are improving. Domestic performance has also been strong.

    The consumer goods industry has led the recovery, however it is perhaps even more encouraging to see increasing output and orders in both the intermediate and investment goods industries as well. As a result, confidence is high, jobs growth climbed to a two-year peak and the relatively subdued nature of inflationary pressures rounds off a very good month for manufacturers.”


    And for those fed up with the words, lets hear the Household Guards at Buck House "Break! Into! Quick! Time!":[at 1;20]:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-s26lBcu_M

  • DavidL clearly has money on the Australians. I can think of no other reason for his post earlier today about being into their tail. Since then they have not lost a wicket and have added over 50. After his terrible Trent Bridge performance if he genuinely wants England to win he would not have dreamed of tempting fate in such a way, so other darker motivations must be in play.

    For my part, I believe the match is already setting up nicely for one of those periodic England batting shambles with most our batsmen giving their wickets away.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983


    For my part, I believe the match is already setting up nicely for one of those periodic England batting shambles with most our batsmen giving their wickets away.

    We would be shocked if you felt any other way!
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    The Home Office @ukhomeoffice
    62 suspected #immigrationoffenders arrested across UK - 2 arrested in Brentwood following Home Office operations pic.twitter.com/Fl2dJaCjAz
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Plato said:

    The Home Office @ukhomeoffice
    62 suspected #immigrationoffenders arrested across UK - 2 arrested in Brentwood following Home Office operations pic.twitter.com/Fl2dJaCjAz

    How did they manage to fit them all into the back of the van?

  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    But the density of favourable indicators needs to be stressed.

    Those m/f numbers are a real body blow for labour.
  • @Avery

    Excellent figures from the US too. And even Europe is looking more positive. Given all that, we can realistically hope that our much delayed recovery is now properly underway. The key, though, is for that to translate into an upswing in living standards. That's when the figures will really begin to mean something.
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    edited August 2013
    Re: Ynys Mon

    The candidates are:

    Labour: Tal Michael, (son of Alun Michael, ex-Oxford and ex-Islington Councillor)

    Plaid: Rhun ap Iorwerth, who lives on the island and until resigning to fight this election, a well known Welsh TV presenter.

    Conservative: Neil Fairlamb,
    Liberal Democrat: Steve Churchman,
    Socialist Labour Party: Kathrine Jones
    UKIP: Nathan Gill.

    Declaration expected early hours of August 2nd.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,928
    Plato said:

    The Home Office @ukhomeoffice
    62 suspected #immigrationoffenders arrested across UK - 2 arrested in Brentwood following Home Office operations pic.twitter.com/Fl2dJaCjAz

    Over what period? How does that compare with a similar period in the past?
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    @Avery

    Excellent figures from the US too. And even Europe is looking more positive. Given all that, we can realistically hope that our much delayed recovery is now properly underway. The key, though, is for that to translate into an upswing in living standards. That's when the figures will really begin to mean something.

    Patience, SO, patience.

    New conservatories will be rising from the concrete patios of Leamington Spa soon.

    At least, for those not holidaying with their families on Lake Michigan.

    Has Leamington ever had it so good?

  • AveryLP said:

    @Avery

    Excellent figures from the US too. And even Europe is looking more positive. Given all that, we can realistically hope that our much delayed recovery is now properly underway. The key, though, is for that to translate into an upswing in living standards. That's when the figures will really begin to mean something.

    Patience, SO, patience.

    New conservatories will be rising from the concrete patios of Leamington Spa soon.

    At least, for those not holidaying with their families on Lake Michigan.

    Has Leamington ever had it so good?

    No conservatory for us. Maybe a new kitchen. Leamington is reasonably content; but is not yet back to its buzzing 97-2007 best. However, I'd say CON hold in 2015.

    Family up, cricket miserable, time to hit the beach!!

  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,520

    @Avery

    Excellent figures from the US too. And even Europe is looking more positive. Given all that, we can realistically hope that our much delayed recovery is now properly underway. The key, though, is for that to translate into an upswing in living standards. That's when the figures will really begin to mean something.

    Not entirely. Strong growth figures, even if combined with minimal or no rise in living standards, should still help the government.

    1. Such a scenario is almost certain to mean falling unemployment, probably quite quickly.
    2. It would mean a falling deficit, which might not mean much directly to the man in the street but is one of the key political metrics, not least to commentators so will affect reporting.
    3. It will reinforce the impression that the government knows what it's doing and that Plan A was right. The questions of whether the plan shifted and whether the recovery would have happened anyway are to some extent beside the point. Conversely, it leaves Labour's arguments short.
    4. If other metrics are moving in the right direction, it at least holds out the prospect of rising living standards in the near future.

    On the other hand, interest rates may begin to creep up (not necessarily the BoE, but the retail banks' rates) - though even that is a double-edged sword with pensioners and other savers seeing a benefit.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited August 2013
    tim said:

    Plato said:

    The Home Office @ukhomeoffice
    62 suspected #immigrationoffenders arrested across UK - 2 arrested in Brentwood following Home Office operations pic.twitter.com/Fl2dJaCjAz

    Over what period? How does that compare with a similar period in the past?
    There are usually about 800 people per week, or 120 per day who have proceedings brought against them.
    So thats half a days worth they are tweeting about.
    Obviously timed for the week after the Home Office figures on emigration fell apart and the Go Home vans were in the news.

    Suckers will fall for it thinking half a days numbers are a big operation.

    Are these from all the illegal immigrants Labour let in from 1997/2010
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,928
    tim said:

    Plato said:

    The Home Office @ukhomeoffice
    62 suspected #immigrationoffenders arrested across UK - 2 arrested in Brentwood following Home Office operations pic.twitter.com/Fl2dJaCjAz

    Over what period? How does that compare with a similar period in the past?
    There are usually about 800 people per week, or 120 per day who have proceedings brought against them.
    So thats half a days worth they are tweeting about.
    Obviously timed for the week after the Home Office figures on emigration fell apart and the Go Home vans were in the news.

    Suckers will fall for it thinking half a days numbers are a big operation.

    So in fact the numbers being arrested ..... and there's a difference between that and conviction ..... appear to be falling?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,928
    On Topic, seems unlikely that since the Plaid candidate is "part of the media" and there's been significant blogging activity, that there's been no local media coverage.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    He,he! Lab/Lib/Con party doing what they promised not to do; rewarding money donations with peerages.

    Some call it pollution, I call it corruption!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10216323/Party-leaders-polluting-Parliament-by-giving-peerages-to-biggest-donors.html
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,082
    "Rogers was unlucky too in the circumstances of his dismissal. As the square at Old Trafford has been reoriented by 90 degrees, the members in the pavilion are now behind the arm – but are apparently still accustomed to moving around during an over.

    Rogers became ever more exasperated by these members standing up or moving, and pulled away during the over that he was dismissed – when Graeme Swann fired in an offbreak which Rogers, trying to hit through square-leg, missed."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/theashes/10216738/Ashes-2013-England-v-Australia-third-Test-day-one-tea-report.html
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited August 2013
    @OldKingCole

    It's part of a consultation re higher fines for employers re illegal workers

    The Home Office @ukhomeoffice
    Employing illegal workers cheats lawful business & exploits the vulnerable – should those who do it get higher fines? bit.ly/14yoBul

    The Home Office @ukhomeoffice
    Mark Harper talks about Home Office operations today targeting #immigrationoffenders which have led to 94 arrests bit.ly/16mldaV

    http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/documents/policyandlaw/consultations/civil-penalties/
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    tim said:



    The Go Home vans are working you know.

    They should send them around to the Ecuadorian embassy next. Let them work their magic on Julian Assange.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Mateus Rose?

    " Kenny Sansom, the former Arsenal and England full back, is homeless and receiving hospital treatment for an alcohol addiction, it emerged today.

    Sansom, 54, who has struggled for some years with alcoholism and an addiction to gambling, gave a frank interview to today’s Sun in which he described himself as a “pest” to his family. “I’ve been living homeless for ten days,” he said. “That’s because I’ve got no money, I’m a drunk, I’m not feeling very well and I’m a gambler. I’ve been living on the street.”

    The retired footballer, who made 86 appearances for England and is the country’s eleventh most capped player, said he was now drinking seven bottles of Mateus rosé wine every day." http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/football/article3831205.ece
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    @Neil Julian Assange is an illegal emigrant, so outside the scope of the van campaign.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @antifrank

    DOnt underestimate the power of the van!!!
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    @Plato If Brian Coleman is to be believed, he may have a former team mate who has sunk still lower.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,082
    edited August 2013
    Congratulations to George Mudie on finally getting into the news after 21 years as Labour MP for Leeds East:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23529215
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    "Summer lethargy is not a good look for Labour right now
    Silly season can be a time of opportunity for dynamic politicians. Where is the opposition's fighting spirit?"

    http://www.newstatesman.com/2013/07/labours-summer-lethargy-does-not-inspire-confidence

    Good question.....
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,292
    Despite the fact that they are now reporting that Boris Johnson has now made it clear that he won't stand in any by-election, or even put himself forward as a Conservative candidate at the next GE. We almost immediately have journalists wrapping themselves up in knots about Boris's continued Conservative party leadership ambitions, and how they can be achieved outside Westminster on an even more delayed time scale.

    I just about tuned out of that article when it began proposing a scenario where Boris could supposedly walk into a Conservative party Leadership challenge without actually being an MP, or having built any kind of Westminster base within the PCP as a team player in the mean time. In this day and age, could we really see Boris successfully winning a future by-election specifically and cynically created for him so he could return to Parliament only if he wins a Conservative Leadership contest?

    James Forsyth goes onto say that "He also remembers all too well Cameron’s refusal even to put him in the shadow cabinet in opposition. It was this snub that persuaded him that he would have to leave Westminster to make a serious political career for himself."

    Just like his predecessor Ken Livingston, Boris Johnson is a political maverick and simple not suited to being the Conservative Leader. Which is why he won't be PM unless our political system dramatically changes and he can then run on an 'independent' ticket as Boris Johnson rather than a Conservative Party Leader.

    James Forsyth:

    "The next Tory leadership battle is Boris Johnson vs Theresa May – and it’s already started."

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/8979591/the-next-tory-leadership-battle-is-boris-johnson-vs-theresa-may-and-its-already-started/

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Its a funny day when both the Speccie & New Statesman are coming to the same conclusion:

    "Politics abhors a news vacuum. So with the government on holiday, attention shifts to the opposition. This is why oppositions normally have a whole series of summer stories ready to fill this vacuum. But, oddly, we have heard little from the Labour front bench in the last ten days or so. One consequence of this is that criticisms of Ed Miliband’s leadership by the Labour backbencher George Mudie are going to get more play than they normally would in tomorrow’s papers."

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/08/the-spotlight-shifts-to-labour/
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited August 2013
    http://www.newstatesman.com/2013/07/labours-summer-lethargy-does-not-inspire-confidence

    "The absence of opposition energy is mystefying. Since pretty much anything with a flicker of political content can make headlines, why doesn’t Labour have a campaign lined up to seize the initiative? Where is the shadow cabinet? Where is everybody? The most visible opposition figure in the past week has been Stella Creasy, MP for Walthamstow, who has valiantly and very effectively taken on the issue of violent misogyny online.

    But as far as I can tell, since parliament rose for recess, there hasn’t been a big news story generated deliberately by Labour to discomfort the Tories or Lib Dems. Ed Miliband’s MPs may be working hard behind the scenes in their constituencies but as a dynamic force for taking on the coalition they really are on holiday. The Archbishop of Canterbury is currently doing a more agile job of sustained moral activism. I am not alone in thinking the opposition look oddly lethargic. Most Labour people I have spoken to wonder why their party has given up politics for the summer.

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Plato said:

    http://www.newstatesman.com/2013/07/labours-summer-lethargy-does-not-inspire-confidence

    "The absence of opposition energy is mystefying. Since pretty much anything with a flicker of political content can make headlines, why doesn’t Labour have a campaign lined up to seize the initiative? Where is the shadow cabinet? Where is everybody? The most visible opposition figure in the past week has been Stella Creasy, MP for Walthamstow, who has valiantly and very effectively taken on the issue of violent misogyny online.

    But as far as I can tell, since parliament rose for recess, there hasn’t been a big news story generated deliberately by Labour to discomfort the Tories or Lib Dems. Ed Miliband’s MPs may be working hard behind the scenes in their constituencies but as a dynamic force for taking on the coalition they really are on holiday. The Archbishop of Canterbury is currently doing a more agile job of sustained moral activism. I am not alone in thinking the opposition look oddly lethargic. Most Labour people I have spoken to wonder why their party has given up politics for the summer.

    It may be because Len McCluskey is on his annual holiday and no one dares speak in his absence.

    It just makes you all the more impressed by tim's courage.

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    It's a 'Victory for Eck!'

    "SNP supporters caught posing for pictures as part of LABOUR yes to indepedence campaign group"

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/snp-supporters-caught-posing-pictures-2111409
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    tim said:

    That reads like the staggering hypocrisy and failure of understanding that you,fitalass,ScottP et al were demonstrating when getting yourselves into a lather regarding the Labour Party's corporation tax bill.
    Link to post?
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Off topic, when the tories are not being aggressive to labour, they are being aggressive to the BBC.

    Just today I've come across several MPs or other tory leading lights objecting to coverage of the spare room subsidy/welfare reform/free schools etc. etc. etc.

    Whether you think the BBC coverage is biased or not (and I've read plenty of lefties complaining the beeb is biased against THEM, so go figure), there's no doubt that the volume from the cons is going up.

    It seems to be Crosby's strategy to let nothing go uncontested, whether it's biased or not.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    taffys said:



    It seems to be Crosby's strategy to let nothing go uncontested, whether it's biased or not.

    The classic one had to be the complaints of anti-Tory bias in relation to the programme accused of towing the Tory line on benefits!
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Crosby..the new Ali Campbell, without the "Sexing up "bit..
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,118

    DavidL clearly has money on the Australians. I can think of no other reason for his post earlier today about being into their tail. Since then they have not lost a wicket and have added over 50. After his terrible Trent Bridge performance if he genuinely wants England to win he would not have dreamed of tempting fate in such a way, so other darker motivations must be in play.

    For my part, I believe the match is already setting up nicely for one of those periodic England batting shambles with most our batsmen giving their wickets away.

    Not a good day for England. I hope you are enjoying your holiday Southam.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Surely Buddha is meditating not lethargic ?

    Ummmmm..
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    edited August 2013
    tim said:

    Camerons packing of the House Of Lords doesn't seem to be going down very well.

    You mean because he hasnt packed as many as Blair in or because none of the people he has tried to get in have been rejected as unsuitable like some of Blair's nominees yet?
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited August 2013
    @Neil - I think that tim is trying to say that it is a disgrace that Labour allied themselves with some Tory rebels to torpedo the cross-party consensus on Lords reform.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    If all Prime Ministers increased the number of Working Peers after each General Election to reflect the new composition of the House Of Commons it would take around 250 years before every single person in the UK would be in the House Of Lords .
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    On Topic:
    @GawainTowler
    @UKIP candidate in #YnsMon Nathan Gill 'Turnout looking very poor, I urge people to vote, UKIP supporters or not.'
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413

    If all Prime Ministers increased the number of Working Peers after each General Election to reflect the new composition of the House Of Commons it would take around 250 years before every single person in the UK would be in the House Of Lords .

    Perfect democracy
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    tim said:

    tim said:

    That reads like the staggering hypocrisy and failure of understanding that you,fitalass,ScottP et al were demonstrating when getting yourselves into a lather regarding the Labour Party's corporation tax bill.
    Link to post?
    Weren't you in there with the PB Tories on that one, apologies if you weren't.
    Scott et al took a bit of a beating from Neil.
    I'd thought you piled in the next morning but sorry if I am wrong
    I thought it ironic that a complaint frequently made by Margaret Hodge 'look at that huge turnover & such small Corporation tax - there's something funny here' was being applied to Labour......

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    If all Prime Ministers increased the number of Working Peers after each General Election to reflect the new composition of the House Of Commons it would take around 250 years before every single person in the UK would be in the House Of Lords .

    Perfect democracy
    Perhaps but maybe a bit cumbersome. Could I suggest that this new, enlarged second chamber elect a sub-committee to which all matters could be delegated? This sub-committee could be elected on a regional, PR basis. To give it a chance to work each member of the sub-committee should be elected for a single 15 year term.

    Who could possibly object to this plan to deliver perfect democracy to the people?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    tim said:

    @Richard

    Don't you even think Cameron has responsibility for the peers he creates now, even that is Labours fault.

    Bit rich coming from you tim!
  • Off-topic:

    Professor McCrone will rue the day....

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/10217152/Gavin-McCrone-Independent-Scotland-may-find-it-difficult-to-keep-the-pound.html

    All sensible stuff; all known and explained by the more informed amongst us. Does not undermine the major reason for Scottish independence though: The dignity of the Scots!
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    If all Prime Ministers increased the number of Working Peers after each General Election to reflect the new composition of the House Of Commons it would take around 250 years before every single person in the UK would be in the House Of Lords .

    Perfect democracy
    Perhaps but after that we would have to allow enough immigrants into the country to make the adjustments and before too long the whole world would be members of the House Of Lords .

  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,292
    Some hard hitting criticism from George Mudie, but Sadiq Khan's attempt to defend Ed Miliband's position only end up highlighting yet further his failure as Labour Leader.

    Daily Mail - 'Hesitant and confused with a bunker mentality': Labour MP's damning verdict on Ed Miliband's troubled leadership
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 120,655
    Also interesting to see if UKIP beats the LDs, Farage has visited the seat!
  • Neil said:

    @antifrank

    DOnt underestimate the power of the van!!!

    I hear they are going to have one touring football grounds to remind the clubs to pay their taxes.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    HYUFD said:

    Also interesting to see if UKIP beats the LDs, Farage has visited the seat!

    It will be more interesting to see if UKIP can beat the Conservatives . The LD share last time was just 3% although I think it will go up today .
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,292
    Carlotta, just file it as another example of Labour hypocrisy. :)

    tim said:

    tim said:

    That reads like the staggering hypocrisy and failure of understanding that you,fitalass,ScottP et al were demonstrating when getting yourselves into a lather regarding the Labour Party's corporation tax bill.
    Link to post?
    Weren't you in there with the PB Tories on that one, apologies if you weren't.
    Scott et al took a bit of a beating from Neil.
    I'd thought you piled in the next morning but sorry if I am wrong
    I thought it ironic that a complaint frequently made by Margaret Hodge 'look at that huge turnover & such small Corporation tax - there's something funny here' was being applied to Labour......

  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Off topic, but one more thing running in the government's favour is a potential Lloyds share sale, made possible by the bank's strong performance today.

    Danny Alexander pooh-pooed the possibility of a quick sale today but it must be tempting for Osborne to do it pre-election.

    Its worth 20bn - and that's a lot of cash.
  • alunalun Posts: 17
    Tonight/or Friday morning Ed Milibands dream of no 10 is dead in water as his party cannot win a safe seat for Welsh assembly elections as must hold hold/gain to be on course to win this easy of seats
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    taffys said:

    Off topic, but one more thing running in the government's favour is a potential Lloyds share sale, made possible by the bank's strong performance today.

    Danny Alexander pooh-pooed the possibility of a quick sale today but it must be tempting for Osborne to do it pre-election.

    Its worth 20bn - and that's a lot of cash.

    If Osborne sells off all the government's LLoyds shares at say 73 pence now and in a year's time they are worth £ 1.73 , is he not in the same position as Gordon Brown selling off the country's Gold at a rock bottom price ?

  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,530

    taffys said:

    Off topic, but one more thing running in the government's favour is a potential Lloyds share sale, made possible by the bank's strong performance today.

    Danny Alexander pooh-pooed the possibility of a quick sale today but it must be tempting for Osborne to do it pre-election.

    Its worth 20bn - and that's a lot of cash.

    If Osborne sells off all the government's LLoyds shares at say 73 pence now and in a year's time they are worth £ 1.73 , is he not in the same position as Gordon Brown selling off the country's Gold at a rock bottom price ?

    Alternatively it could be worth £0.073 in a years time.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 120,655
    Mark Senior - Were UKIP to beat the Tories and LDs that would be a big story, especially if Plaid hold the seat on a reduced voteshare
  • alunalun Posts: 17
    They holod seat at UK level
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    RobD said:

    taffys said:

    Off topic, but one more thing running in the government's favour is a potential Lloyds share sale, made possible by the bank's strong performance today.

    Danny Alexander pooh-pooed the possibility of a quick sale today but it must be tempting for Osborne to do it pre-election.

    Its worth 20bn - and that's a lot of cash.

    If Osborne sells off all the government's LLoyds shares at say 73 pence now and in a year's time they are worth £ 1.73 , is he not in the same position as Gordon Brown selling off the country's Gold at a rock bottom price ?

    Alternatively it could be worth £0.073 in a years time.

    Gold could have gone down also but it didn't .

  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    fitalass said:

    Some hard hitting criticism from George Mudie, but Sadiq Khan's attempt to defend Ed Miliband's position only end up highlighting yet further his failure as Labour Leader.

    Daily Mail - 'Hesitant and confused with a bunker mentality': Labour MP's damning verdict on Ed Miliband's troubled leadership

    To me the stand out aspect of the piece was the utter feebleness of Khan's defence, not the ferocity of Mudie's attack. A leader can take any amount of flak while he has the loyalty of the Praetorian Guard. Ed has no Praetorian Guard.

  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    "If Osborne sells off all the government's LLoyds shares at say 73 pence now and in a year's time they are worth £ 1.73 , is he not in the same position as Gordon Brown selling off the country's Gold at a rock bottom price ?"

    Probably. But GO would then also be guilty of risking leaving his enemies a 50 billion pound war chest. Not exactly 'there's no money left' eh?

    If Osborne used the cash to cut taxes for strivers and pay off debt, the public would forgive him.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    HYUFD said:

    Mark Senior - Were UKIP to beat the Tories and LDs that would be a big story, especially if Plaid hold the seat on a reduced voteshare

    UKIP did poll more votes than both Con and LD in the local elections in May . As I have mentioned earlier in the thread the 29% the Conservatives polled in 2011 is way above their natural vote here . Much of it was purely a Peter Williams " The Druid " vote .

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 120,655
    Gove now almost as popular as Boris to succeed Cameron amongst Tory members, Boris has 21%, Gove 20%
    http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/08/gove-now-almost-level-with-boris-as-party-members-favourite-for-next-tory-leader.html
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