Interesting that some US Senators looking into Russian fiddling with the US Presidential election believe that Russia influenced Brexit too. No details given in the report, nor any concept of how such fiddling would have affected the outcome, so I don't give it much credence at this point:
Have you, since Merkel certainly didn't say it had to be agreed.
The fact that people are arguing about this shows how skilful Merkel is.
Not really. The fact you are arguing about it shows how gullible you are. Things will resolve.
The status of EU/UK nationals - which should not have been on the table in the first place for which both sides are at fault - will be resolved first and very quickly.
Wishful thinking. The linkage between this question and the status of Northern Ireland and Scotland will be one of the first things to blindside the government.
Genuine question: do you, and will you, feel any loyalty to this country when it Leaves the EU?
To the country and the people, yes absolutely, but I think the UK as a state has run its course. The 'precious' union to me is now the EU and I would hope that the nations of the UK individually chose to take up their rightful place in it.
Doesn't sound like a yes.
If you're applying loyalty tests on A Day+1, that's unhealthy. Loyalty has to be earned not demanded. If Leavers are alienating British citizens, instead of branding those dissidents unfit to breathe the air of the country, they would do well to ask why they themselves are so repellent.
It's a conversation between me and william, thank you.
I've learnt that conversation with you on this subject is entirely non productive. You are the Peter Hitchens of Remain.
No offence.
You would do well to reflect on what I wrote though. If British citizenship is to be reserved only for those who wear Union Jack socks and who are looking forward to the abolition of decimalisation, the country is going to go to the dogs fast.
No offence.
We'd need the Greyhound Stadiums back for that first.
Leavers' epic post-referendum failure is any attempt to develop an idea of Britishness that can include the views of those who disagreed with them.
Works both ways mate.
When you're ready for serious dialogue on this, rather than questions my morals and demanding I surrender the vote and the argument, give me a shout and we'll talk.
Have you, since Merkel certainly didn't say it had to be agreed.
The fact that people are arguing about this shows how skilful Merkel is.
Not really. The fact you are arguing about it shows how gullible you are. Things will resolve.
The status of EU/UK nationals - which should not have been on the table in the first place for which both sides are at fault - will be resolved first and very quickly.
Wishful thinking. The linkage between this question and the status of Northern Ireland and Scotland will be one of the first things to blindside the government.
Genuine question: do you, and will you, feel any loyalty to this country when it Leaves the EU?
To the country and the people, yes absolutely, but I think the UK as a state has run its course. The 'precious' union to me is now the EU and I would hope that the nations of the UK individually chose to take up their rightful place in it.
Doesn't sound like a yes.
If you're applying loyalty tests on A Day+1, that's unhealthy. Loyalty has to be earned not demanded. If Leavers are alienating British citizens, instead of branding those dissidents unfit to breathe the air of the country, they would do well to ask why they themselves are so repellent.
It's a conversation between me and william, thank you.
I've learnt that conversation with you on this subject is entirely non productive. You are the Peter Hitchens of Remain.
No offence.
You would do well to reflect on what I wrote though. If British citizenship is to be reserved only for those who wear Union Jack socks and who are looking forward to the abolition of decimalisation, the country is going to go to the dogs fast.
No offence.
We'd need the Greyhound Stadiums back for that first.
Leavers' epic post-referendum failure is any attempt to develop an idea of Britishness that can include the views of those who disagreed with them.
There is nothing we could do to appeal to you, because our very existence is something you find offensive.
I think somebody posted yesterday that Gina Miller sounded in much more conciliatory tone and she had moved on....moved on to a new legal challenge by the looks of it.
Have you, since Merkel certainly didn't say it had to be agreed.
The fact that people are arguing about this shows how skilful Merkel is.
Not really. The fact you are arguing about it shows how gullible you are. Things will resolve.
The status of EU/UK nationals - which should not have been on the table in the first place for which both sides are at fault - will be resolved first and very quickly.
Wishful thinking. The linkage between this question and the status of Northern Ireland and Scotland will be one of the first things to blindside the government.
Genuine question: do you, and will you, feel any loyalty to this country when it Leaves the EU?
To the country and the people, yes absolutely, but I think the UK as a state has run its course. The 'precious' union to me is now the EU and I would hope that the nations of the UK individually chose to take up their rightful place in it.
Doesn't sound like a yes.
If you're applying loyalty tests on A Day+1, that's unhealthy. Loyalty has to be earned not demanded. If Leavers are alienating British citizens, instead of branding those dissidents unfit to breathe the air of the country, they would do well to ask why they themselves are so repellent.
It's a conversation between me and william, thank you.
I've learnt that conversation with you on this subject is entirely non productive. You are the Peter Hitchens of Remain.
No offence.
You would do well to reflect on what I wrote though. If British citizenship is to be reserved only for those who wear Union Jack socks and who are looking forward to the abolition of decimalisation, the country is going to go to the dogs fast.
No offence.
We'd need the Greyhound Stadiums back for that first.
Leavers' epic post-referendum failure is any attempt to develop an idea of Britishness that can include the views of those who disagreed with them.
Works both ways mate.
When you're ready for serious dialogue on this, rather than questions my morals and demanding I surrender the vote and the argument, give me a shout and we'll talk.
Leave won. It's your shitshow, you've got to make it work.
Have you, since Merkel certainly didn't say it had to be agreed.
The fact that people are arguing about this shows how skilful Merkel is.
Not really. The fact you are arguing about it shows how gullible you are. Things will resolve.
The status of EU/UK nationals - which should not have been on the table in the first place for which both sides are at fault - will be resolved first and very quickly.
Wishful thinking. The linkage between this question and the status of Northern Ireland and Scotland will be one of the first things to blindside the government.
Genuine question: do you, and will you, feel any loyalty to this country when it Leaves the EU?
To the country and the people, yes absolutely, but I think the UK as a state has run its course. The 'precious' union to me is now the EU and I would hope that the nations of the UK individually chose to take up their rightful place in it.
Doesn't sound like a yes.
If you're applying loyalty tests on A Day+1, that's unhealthy. Loyalty has to be earned not demanded. If Leavers are alienating British citizens, instead of branding those dissidents unfit to breathe the air of the country, they would do well to ask why they themselves are so repellent.
It's a conversation between me and william, thank you.
I've learnt that conversation with you on this subject is entirely non productive. You are the Peter Hitchens of Remain.
No offence.
You would do well to reflect on what I wrote though. If British citizenship is to be reserved only for those who wear Union Jack socks and who are looking forward to the abolition of decimalisation, the country is going to go to the dogs fast.
No offence.
We'd need the Greyhound Stadiums back for that first.
Leavers' epic post-referendum failure is any attempt to develop an idea of Britishness that can include the views of those who disagreed with them.
Have you, since Merkel certainly didn't say it had to be agreed.
The fact that people are arguing about this shows how skilful Merkel is.
Not really. The fact you are arguing about it shows how gullible you are. Things will resolve.
The status of EU/UK nationals - which should not have been on the table in the first place for which both sides are at fault - will be resolved first and very quickly.
Wishful thinking. The linkage between this question and the status of Northern Ireland and Scotland will be one of the first things to blindside the government.
Genuine question: do you, and will you, feel any loyalty to this country when it Leaves the EU?
To the country and the people, yes absolutely, but I think the UK as a state has run its course. The 'precious' union to me is now the EU and I would hope that the nations of the UK individually chose to take up their rightful place in it.
Doesn't sound like a yes.
If you're applying loyalty tests on A Day+1, that's unhealthy. Loyalty has to be earned not demanded. If Leavers are alienating British citizens, instead of branding those dissidents unfit to breathe the air of the country, they would do well to ask why they themselves are so repellent.
It's a conversation between me and william, thank you.
I've learnt that conversation with you on this subject is entirely non productive. You are the Peter Hitchens of Remain.
No offence.
You would do well to reflect on what I wrote though. If British citizenship is to be reserved only for those who wear Union Jack socks and who are looking forward to the abolition of decimalisation, the country is going to go to the dogs fast.
No offence.
We'd need the Greyhound Stadiums back for that first.
Leavers' epic post-referendum failure is any attempt to develop an idea of Britishness that can include the views of those who disagreed with them.
investment up growth up employment up
Unhappiness up Division up Racism up
only in your head
out in the sticks were dancing round the maypole, banging on the Bhangra and enjoying the first days of spring
Have you, since Merkel certainly didn't say it had to be agreed.
The fact that people are arguing about this shows how skilful Merkel is.
Not really. The fact you are arguing about it shows how gullible you are. Things will resolve.
The status of EU/UK nationals - which should not have been on the table in the first place for which both sides are at fault - will be resolved first and very quickly.
Wishful thinking. The linkage between this question and the status of Northern Ireland and Scotland will be one of the first things to blindside the government.
Genuine question: do you, and will you, feel any loyalty to this country when it Leaves the EU?
To the country and the people, yes absolutely, but I think the UK as a state has run its course. The 'precious' union to me is now the EU and I would hope that the nations of the UK individually chose to take up their rightful place in it.
Doesn't sound like a yes.
If you're applying loyalty tests on A Day+1, that's unhealthy. Loyalty has to be earned not demanded. If Leavers are alienating British citizens, instead of branding those dissidents unfit to breathe the air of the country, they would do well to ask why they themselves are so repellent.
It's a conversation between me and william, thank you.
I've learnt that conversation with you on this subject is entirely non productive. You are the Peter Hitchens of Remain.
No offence.
You would do well to reflect on what I wrote though. If British citizenship is to be reserved only for those who wear Union Jack socks and who are looking forward to the abolition of decimalisation, the country is going to go to the dogs fast.
No offence.
We'd need the Greyhound Stadiums back for that first.
Leavers' epic post-referendum failure is any attempt to develop an idea of Britishness that can include the views of those who disagreed with them.
investment up growth up employment up
Unhappiness up Division up Racism up
Can any of those things be measured in meaningful ways?
Interesting that some US Senators looking into Russian fiddling with the US Presidential election believe that Russia influenced Brexit too. No details given in the report, nor any concept of how such fiddling would have affected the outcome, so I don't give it much credence at this point:
It seems to have all sprung from Ben Bradshaw's idle speculation.
Personally I don't think there's anything in it except to the extent that Russia has been very active in pumping out 'we're going to hell in a handcart' style propaganda about everything from the financial crisis to refugees.
I wouldn't expect anyone avowedly loyal to a foreign power and pumping out " going to hell in a handcart " propaganda on an hourly basis to see a problem there.
Have you, since Merkel certainly didn't say it had to be agreed.
The fact that people are arguing about this shows how skilful Merkel is.
Not really. The fact you are arguing about it shows how gullible you are. Things will resolve.
The status of EU/UK nationals - which should not have been on the table in the first place for which both sides are at fault - will be resolved first and very quickly.
Wishful thinking. The linkage between this question and the status of Northern Ireland and Scotland will be one of the first things to blindside the government.
Genuine question: do you, and will you, feel any loyalty to this country when it Leaves the EU?
To the country and the people, yes absolutely, but I think the UK as a state has run its course. The 'precious' union to me is now the EU and I would hope that the nations of the UK individually chose to take up their rightful place in it.
Doesn't sound like a yes.
If you're applying loyalty tests on A Day+1, that's unhealthy. Loyalty has to be earned not demanded. If Leavers are alienating British citizens, instead of branding those dissidents unfit to breathe the air of the country, they would do well to ask why they themselves are so repellent.
It's a conversation between me and william, thank you.
I've learnt that conversation with you on this subject is entirely non productive. You are the Peter Hitchens of Remain.
No offence.
You would do well to reflect on what I wrote though. If British citizenship is to be reserved only for those who wear Union Jack socks and who are looking forward to the abolition of decimalisation, the country is going to go to the dogs fast.
No offence.
We'd need the Greyhound Stadiums back for that first.
Leavers' epic post-referendum failure is any attempt to develop an idea of Britishness that can include the views of those who disagreed with them.
investment up growth up employment up
All thanks to us still being in the EU
Despite the fact we will be leaving the EU, don't you mean
Have you, since Merkel certainly didn't say it had to be agreed.
The fact that people are arguing about this shows how skilful Merkel is.
Not really. The fact you are arguing about it shows how gullible you are. Things will resolve.
The status of EU/UK nationals - which should not have been on the table in the first place for which both sides are at fault - will be resolved first and very quickly.
Wishful thinking. The linkage between this question and the status of Northern Ireland and Scotland will be one of the first things to blindside the government.
Genuine question: do you, and will you, feel any loyalty to this country when it Leaves the EU?
To the country and the people, yes absolutely, but I think the UK as a state has run its course. The 'precious' union to me is now the EU and I would hope that the nations of the UK individually chose to take up their rightful place in it.
Doesn't sound like a yes.
If you're applying loyalty tests on A Day+1, that's unhealthy. Loyalty has to be earned not demanded. If Leavers are alienating British citizens, instead of branding those dissidents unfit to breathe the air of the country, they would do well to ask why they themselves are so repellent.
It's a conversation between me and william, thank you.
I've learnt that conversation with you on this subject is entirely non productive. You are the Peter Hitchens of Remain.
No offence.
You would do well to reflect on what I wrote though. If British citizenship is to be reserved only for those who wear Union Jack socks and who are looking forward to the abolition of decimalisation, the country is going to go to the dogs fast.
No offence.
We'd need the Greyhound Stadiums back for that first.
Leavers' epic post-referendum failure is any attempt to develop an idea of Britishness that can include the views of those who disagreed with them.
investment up growth up employment up
Unhappiness up Division up Racism up
I would rather be a BME person in Britain, than in Alastair Meeks' Hungary!
Have you, since Merkel certainly didn't say it had to be agreed.
The fact that people are arguing about this shows how skilful Merkel is.
Not really. The fact you are arguing about it shows how gullible you are. Things will resolve.
The status of EU/UK nationals - which should not have been on the table in the first place for which both sides are at fault - will be resolved first and very quickly.
Wishful thinking. The linkage between this question and the status of Northern Ireland and Scotland will be one of the first things to blindside the government.
Genuine question: do you, and will you, feel any loyalty to this country when it Leaves the EU?
To the country and the people, yes absolutely, but I think the UK as a state has run its course. The 'precious' union to me is now the EU and I would hope that the nations of the UK individually chose to take up their rightful place in it.
Doesn't sound like a yes.
If you're applying loyalty tests on A Day+1, that's unhealthy. Loyalty has to be earned not demanded. If Leavers are alienating British citizens, instead of branding those dissidents unfit to breathe the air of the country, they would do well to ask why they themselves are so repellent.
It's a conversation between me and will.
I've learnt that conversation with you on this subject is entirely non productive. You are the Peter Hitchens of Remain.
No offence.
You would do well to reflect on what I wrote though. If British citizenship is to be reserved only for those who wear Union Jack socks and who are looking forward to the abolition of decimalisation, the country is going to go to the dogs fast.
No offence.
We'd need the Greyhound Stadiums back for that first.
Leavers' epic post-referendum failure is any attempt to develop an idea of Britishness that can include the views of those who disagreed with them.
Works both ways mate.
When you're ready for serious dialogue on this, rather than questions my morals and demanding I surrender the vote and the argument, give me a shout and we'll talk.
Leave won. It's your shitshow, you've got to make it work.
Genuine question: do you, and will you, feel any loyalty to this country when it Leaves the EU?
To the country and the people, yes absolutely, but I think the UK as a state has run its course. The 'precious' union to me is now the EU and I would hope that the nations of the UK individually chose to take up their rightful place in it.
Doesn't sound like a yes.
If you're applying loyalty tests on A Day+1, that's unhealthy. Loyalty has to be earned not demanded. If Leavers are alienating British citizens, instead of branding those dissidents unfit to breathe the air of the country, they would do well to ask why they themselves are so repellent.
It's a conversation between me and william, thank you.
I've learnt that conversation with you on this subject is entirely non productive. You are the Peter Hitchens of Remain.
No offence.
You would do well to reflect on what I wrote though. If British citizenship is to be reserved only for those who wear Union Jack socks and who are looking forward to the abolition of decimalisation, the country is going to go to the dogs fast.
No offence.
We'd need the Greyhound Stadiums back for that first.
Leavers' epic post-referendum failure is any attempt to develop an idea of Britishness that can include the views of those who disagreed with them.
investment up growth up employment up
All thanks to us still being in the EU
No Mark, Remain said there'd be an enormous shock following a vote to Leave. They later backtracked on that because Article 50 hadn't been triggered.
If the wheels don't come off the economy bigly and soon, there will be even more egg on all your faces.
I really am sick and tired of explaining this same thing over and over.
Have you, since Merkel certainly didn't say it had to be agreed.
The fact that people are arguing about this shows how skilful Merkel is.
Not really. The fact you are arguing about it shows how gullible you are. Things will resolve.
The status of EU/UK nationals - which should not have been on the table in the first place for which both sides are at fault - will be resolved first and very quickly.
Wishful thinking. The linkage between this question and the status of Northern Ireland and Scotland will be one of the first things to blindside the government.
Genuine question: do you, and will you, feel any loyalty to this country when it Leaves the EU?
To the country and the people, yes absolutely, but I think the UK as a state has run its course. The 'precious' union to me is now the EU and I would hope that the nations of the UK individually chose to take up their rightful place in it.
Doesn't sound like a yes.
If you're applying loyalty tests on A Day+1, that's unhealthy. Loyalty has to be earned not demanded. If Leavers are alienating British citizens, instead of branding those dissidents unfit to breathe the air of the country, they would do well to ask why they themselves are so repellent.
It's a conversation between me and william, thank you.
I've learnt that conversation with you on this subject is entirely non productive. You are the Peter Hitchens of Remain.
No offence.
You would do well to reflect on what I wrote though. If British citizenship is to be reserved only for those who wear Union Jack socks and who are looking forward to the abolition of decimalisation, the country is going to go to the dogs fast.
No offence.
We'd need the Greyhound Stadiums back for that first.
Leavers' epic post-referendum failure is any attempt to develop an idea of Britishness that can include the views of those who disagreed with them.
investment up growth up employment up
All thanks to us still being in the EU
yesh cos those recent investments couldnt have foreseen us leaving, I mean it;s only be annoiunced for 9 months
Wishful thinking. The linkage between this question and the status of Northern Ireland and Scotland will be one of the first things to blindside the government.
Genuine question: do you, and will you, feel any loyalty to this country when it Leaves the EU?
To the country and the people, yes absolutely, but I think the UK as a state has run its course. The 'precious' union to me is now the EU and I would hope that the nations of the UK individually chose to take up their rightful place in it.
Doesn't sound like a yes.
If you're applying loyalty tests on A Day+1, that's unhealthy. Loyalty has to be earned not demanded. If Leavers are alienating British citizens, instead of branding those dissidents unfit to breathe the air of the country, they would do well to ask why they themselves are so repellent.
It's a conversation between me and william, thank you.
I've learnt that conversation with you on this subject is entirely non productive. You are the Peter Hitchens of Remain.
No offence.
You would do well to reflect on what I wrote though. If British citizenship is to be reserved only for those who wear Union Jack socks and who are looking forward to the abolition of decimalisation, the country is going to go to the dogs fast.
No offence.
We'd need the Greyhound Stadiums back for that first.
Leavers' epic post-referendum failure is any attempt to develop an idea of Britishness that can include the views of those who disagreed with them.
investment up growth up employment up
Unhappiness up Division up Racism up
only in your head
out in the sticks were dancing round the maypole, banging on the Bhangra and enjoying the first days of spring
youre mowing people down on pavements
Tsk, you should know by now that I have data for my assertions:
If yes, then you're as British as bulldog flying a Spitfire.
If no, then you're as foreign as The House of Windsor.
Except the Aquitaine.. and the bit around Calais.
Noooooo! They can keep Calais - it is a dump. Finessing the Frogs into taking it back was the one good thing Bloody Mary ever did (even if it was by accident). Aquitaine and, of course Normandy, are ours by right.
Have you, since Merkel certainly didn't say it had to be agreed.
The fact that people are arguing about this shows how skilful Merkel is.
Not really. The fact you are arguing about it shows how gullible you are. Things will resolve.
The status of EU/UK nationals - which should not have been on the table in the first place for which both sides are at fault - will be resolved first and very quickly.
Wishful thinking. The linkage between this question and the status of Northern Ireland and Scotland will be one of the first things to blindside the government.
Genuine question: do you, and will you, feel any loyalty to this country when it Leaves the EU?
To the country and the people, yes absolutely, but I think the UK as a state has run its course. The 'precious' union to me is now the EU and I would hope that the nations of the UK individually chose to take up their rightful place in it.
Doesn't sound like a yes.
If you're applying loyalty tests on A Day+1, that's unhealthy. Loyalty has to be earned not demanded. If Leavers are alienating British citizens, instead of branding those dissidents unfit to breathe the air of the country, they would do well to ask why they themselves are so repellent.
It's a conversation between me and william, thank you.
I've learnt that conversation with you on this subject is entirely non productive. You are the Peter Hitchens of Remain.
No offence.
You would do well to reflect on what I wrote though. If British citizenship is to be reserved only for those who wear Union Jack socks and who are looking forward to the abolition of decimalisation, the country is going to go to the dogs fast.
No offence.
We'd need the Greyhound Stadiums back for that first.
investment up growth up employment up
Unhappiness up Division up Racism up
I would rather be a BME person in Britain, than in Alastair Meeks' Hungary!
Wishful thinking. The linkage between this question and the status of Northern Ireland and Scotland will be one of the first things to blindside the government.
Genuine question: do you, and will you, feel any loyalty to this country when it Leaves the EU?
To the country and the people, yes absolutely, but I think the UK as a state has run its course. The 'precious' union to me is now the EU and I would hope that the nations of the UK individually chose to take up their rightful place in it.
Doesn't sound like a yes.
If you're applying loyalty tests on A Day+1, that's unhealthy. Loyalty has to be earned not demanded. If Leavers are alienating British citizens, instead of branding those dissidents unfit to breathe the air of the country, they would do well to ask why they themselves are so repellent.
It's a conversation between me and william, thank you.
I've learnt that conversation with you on this subject is entirely non productive. You are the Peter Hitchens of Remain.
No offence.
You would do well to reflect on what I wrote though. If British citizenship is to be reserved only for those who wear Union Jack socks and who are looking forward to the abolition of decimalisation, the country is going to go to the dogs fast.
No offence.
We'd need the Greyhound Stadiums back for that first.
Leavers' epic post-referendum failure is any attempt to develop an idea of Britishness that can include the views of those who disagreed with them.
investment up growth up employment up
Unhappiness up Division up Racism up
only in your head
out in the sticks were dancing round the maypole, banging on the Bhangra and enjoying the first days of spring
youre mowing people down on pavements
Tsk, you should know by now that I have data for my assertions:
If yes, then you're as British as bulldog flying a Spitfire.
If no, then you're as foreign as The House of Windsor.
Except the Aquitaine.. and the bit around Calais.
Noooooo! They can keep Calais - it is a dump. Finessing the Frogs into taking it back was the one good thing Bloody Mary ever did (even if it was by accident). Aquitaine and, of course Normandy, are ours by right.
wrong!
the bloody frogs trashed the place so we'd never want ir back
Have you, since Merkel certainly didn't say it had to be agreed.
The fact that people are arguing about this shows how skilful Merkel is.
Not really. The fact you are arguing about it shows how gullible you are. Things will resolve.
The status of EU/UK nationals - which should not have been on the table in the first place for which both sides are at fault - will be resolved first and very quickly.
Wishful thinking. The linkage between this question and the status of Northern Ireland and Scotland will be one of the first things to blindside the government.
Genuine question: do you, and will you, feel any loyalty to this country when it Leaves the EU?
To the country and the people, yes absolutely, but I think the UK as a state has run its course. The 'precious' union to me is now the EU and I would hope that the nations of the UK individually chose to take up their rightful place in it.
Doesn't sound like a yes.
If you're applying loyalty tests on A Day+1, that's unhealthy. Loyalty has to be earned not demanded. If Leavers are alienating British citizens, instead of branding those dissidents unfit to breathe the air of the country, they would do well to ask why they themselves are so repellent.
It's a conversation between me and william, thank you.
I've learnt that conversation with you on this subject is entirely non productive. You are the Peter Hitchens of Remain.
No offence.
You would do well to reflect on what I wrote though. If British citizenship is to be reserved only for those who wear Union Jack socks and who are looking forward to the abolition of decimalisation, the country is going to go to the dogs fast.
No offence.
We'd need the Greyhound Stadiums back for that first.
investment up growth up employment up
Unhappiness up Division up Racism up
I would rather be a BME person in Britain, than in Alastair Meeks' Hungary!
Wiltshire was only just Leave, but the prediction seems pretty solid (although the Green prediction would come out of nowhere) - the LDs actually increased their numbers last time despite a massive drop in overall votes (in part due to not standing in several places), but there are a few seats they lost to Indy's last time they would expect to get back as well as a couple lost in by-elections they might get back, and one of the 4 Lab seats has a majority of 1. Only 1 UKIP was elected last time out of 98 despite a good night for UKIP in other places, so a decent guess would it would not hold that.
Interesting from the prediction the LD vote must be much more concentrated in Cornwall!
Speaking of the Moonraker county, I don't know if the Indy prediction includes the local political party in Devizes - they had 3 seats in 2009, all lost to Con in 2013, but its conceivable they win those back.
Wishful thinking. The linkage between this question and the status of Northern Ireland and Scotland will be one of the first things to blindside the government.
Genuine question: do you, and will you, feel any loyalty to this country when it Leaves the EU?
To the country and the people, yes absolutely, but I think the UK as a state has run its course. The 'precious' union to me is now the EU and I would hope that the nations of the UK individually chose to take up their rightful place in it.
Doesn't sound like a yes.
If you're applying loyalty tests on A Day+1, that's unhealthy. Loyalty has to be earned not demanded. If Leavers are alienating British citizens, instead of branding those dissidents unfit to breathe the air of the country, they would do well to ask why they themselves are so repellent.
It's a conversation between me and william, thank you.
I've learnt that conversation with you on this subject is entirely non productive. You are the Peter Hitchens of Remain.
No offence.
You would do well to reflect on what I wrote though. If British citizenship is to be reserved only for those who wear Union Jack socks and who are looking forward to the abolition of decimalisation, the country is going to go to the dogs fast.
No offence.
We'd need the Greyhound Stadiums back for that first.
Leavers' epic post-referendum failure is any attempt to develop an idea of Britishness that can include the views of those who disagreed with them.
investment up growth up employment up
Unhappiness up Division up Racism up
only in your head
out in the sticks were dancing round the maypole, banging on the Bhangra and enjoying the first days of spring
youre mowing people down on pavements
Tsk, you should know by now that I have data for my assertions:
things move on, in 12 months no one will give a shit
Today your fellow Leavers are applying loyalty tests to suspect posters. I very much doubt whether in 12 months Britain will be any chirpier than today.
After hearing Cameron is now a Brexiteer, I am imagining a parallel universe where Remain won and Nigel Farage is in Brussels saying "oh there are large parts of this Union that I really like, the British people have always had great regard for EU federalism"
After hearing Cameron is now a Brexiteer, I am imagining a parallel universe where Remain won and Nigel Farage is in Brussels saying "oh there are large parts of this Union that I really like, the British people have always had great regard for EU federalism"
I hear he is also a regular Morrisons shopper, who loves nothing more than to stock up cheap Guinness...
After hearing Cameron is now a Brexiteer, I am imagining a parallel universe where Remain won and Nigel Farage is in Brussels saying "oh there are large parts of this Union that I really like, the British people have always had great regard for EU federalism"
I hear he is also a regular Morrisons shopper, who loves nothing more than to stock up cheap Guinness...
After hearing Cameron is now a Brexiteer, I am imagining a parallel universe where Remain won and Nigel Farage is in Brussels saying "oh there are large parts of this Union that I really like, the British people have always had great regard for EU federalism"
After hearing Cameron is now a Brexiteer, I am imagining a parallel universe where Remain won and Nigel Farage is in Brussels saying "oh there are large parts of this Union that I really like, the British people have always had great regard for EU federalism"
Alastair Meeks is Bill Cash.
Isnt that a little unfair on Bill Cash ? I mean he's quite open mided by comparison.
After hearing Cameron is now a Brexiteer, I am imagining a parallel universe where Remain won and Nigel Farage is in Brussels saying "oh there are large parts of this Union that I really like, the British people have always had great regard for EU federalism"
Alastair Meeks is Bill Cash.
Isnt that a little unfair on Bill Cash ? I mean he's quite open mided by comparison.
Word is that now that Macron, Fillon and Mélenchon have pulled out of the 20 April TV debate, and Le Pen has suggested that she too may withdraw, France Télévisions - operator of the France 2 channel - may call it off.
Hamon and Dupont-Aignan have said they will take part.
France Télévisions will announce their decision tomorrow morning (Friday).
As far as I'm aware, none of the 11 candidates has pulled out of the BFMTV-CNews debate scheduled for 4 April, next Tuesday.
After hearing Cameron is now a Brexiteer, I am imagining a parallel universe where Remain won and Nigel Farage is in Brussels saying "oh there are large parts of this Union that I really like, the British people have always had great regard for EU federalism"
Did you read The Spectator profile of Cameron ?
He was a complete fraud.
Private Education for the kids, you bet. White's , never out of it now. Blood sports, lots and lots.
Leavers traitors hell bent on destroying the economy of this country and breaking up the UK - should all be put against a wall and shot .
Charming! I think the most Leavers want is Remainers to be put in reeducation camps...
some people dont like it up em only dishing it out
In my experience, a lot of people who 'dish it out' like to defend it on the basis of being able to 'take it' as well, while generally displaying very little indication they are in fact able to take it given reaction to similar treatment, and also use it as an excuse to be nasty to lots of people in the first instance, regardless of whether that person is dishing it out or not.
The fact that people are arguing about this shows how skilful Merkel is.
My guess is that if we don't agree to do the exit the EU way, they will stall. That's what they usually do, recently with Greece on debt rescheduling and with Switzerland on immigration. Sort of Wellington to Napoleon, ironically. We'll say, can we talk about whether we can fly our planes, raise finance and trade in two years, one year and then six months time? And they will say, sure, once we have got the exit stuff out the way.
It's better not to get into that situation in the first place.
Yes, it would be best to avoid.
I can't imagine that the Irish in particular fancy the EU offering them up as a human sacrifice in the name of the EU stalling strategy.
I think somebody posted yesterday that Gina Miller sounded in much more conciliatory tone and she had moved on....moved on to a new legal challenge by the looks of it.
I live in hope that one day supporters and opponents will stop using Thatcher to convince me of anything, but that day is a long way off, particularly since everything May does will be compared to Thatcher.
I think somebody posted yesterday that Gina Miller sounded in much more conciliatory tone and she had moved on....moved on to a new legal challenge by the looks of it.
The fact that people are arguing about this shows how skilful Merkel is.
My guess is that if we don't agree to do the exit the EU way, they will stall. That's what they usually do, recently with Greece on debt rescheduling and with Switzerland on immigration. Sort of Wellington to Napoleon, ironically. We'll say, can we talk about whether we can fly our planes, raise finance and trade in two years, one year and then six months time? And they will say, sure, once we have got the exit stuff out the way.
It's better not to get into that situation in the first place.
Yes, it would be best to avoid.
I can't imagine that the Irish in particular fancy the EU offering them up as a human sacrifice in the name of the EU stalling strategy.
Ireland must be watching all this from behind the sofa through their fingers. It's a rock and hard place not of their making. Agriculture in particular must be concerned.
Leavers traitors hell bent on destroying the economy of this country and breaking up the UK - should all be put against a wall and shot .
Charming! I think the most Leavers want is Remainers to be put in reeducation camps...
some people dont like it up em only dishing it out
In my experience, a lot of people who 'dish it out' like to defend it on the basis of being able to 'take it' as well, while generally displaying very little indication they are in fact able to take it given reaction to similar treatment, and also use it as an excuse to be nasty to lots of people in the first instance, regardless of whether that person is dishing it out or not.
Wishful thinking. The linkage between this question and the status of Northern Ireland and Scotland will be one of the first things to blindside the government.
Genuine question: do you, and will you, feel any loyalty to this country when it Leaves the EU?
To the country and the people, yes absolutely, but I think the UK as a state has run its course. The 'precious' union to me is now the EU and I would hope that the nations of the UK individually chose to take up their rightful place in it.
Doesn't sound like a yes.
If you're applying loyalty tests on A Day+1, that's unhealthy. Loyalty has to be earned not demanded. If Leavers are alienating British citizens, instead of branding those dissidents unfit to breathe the air of the country, they would do well to ask why they themselves are so repellent.
It's a conversation between me and william, thank you.
I've learnt that conversation with you on this subject is entirely non productive. You are the Peter Hitchens of Remain.
No offence.
You would do well to reflect on what I wrote though. If British citizenship is to be reserved only for those who wear Union Jack socks and who are looking forward to the abolition of decimalisation, the country is going to go to the dogs fast.
No offence.
We'd need the Greyhound Stadiums back for that first.
Leavers' epic post-referendum failure is any attempt to develop an idea of Britishness that can include the views of those who disagreed with them.
investment up growth up employment up
Unhappiness up Division up Racism up
only in your head
out in the sticks were dancing round the maypole, banging on the Bhangra and enjoying the first days of spring
youre mowing people down on pavements
Tsk, you should know by now that I have data for my assertions:
Someone asked for a seat change tally, in those councils where the boundaries have not been changed, the changes come out as follows: Con +36, Lab -118, Lib Dem +127, Ind unchanged, Local Independents +8, Liberals unchanged, UKIP -63, Green +11, Mebynon Kernow +1, Ratepayers -3, NHA unchanged. In terms of councils Con +1 (GAIN Derbyshire and Norfolk, lose Surrey), Lab -2 (lose Derbyshire and Durham), NOC +1 (Con GAIN Norfolk to NOC, Lab lose Durham to NOC, Con lose Surrey to NOC)
Stored under .... stories that are more than 2 years old but are dragged out and re-dated by the Indie because they can't find anything more relevant. The original dates to March 2015.
Wiltshire was only just Leave, but the prediction seems pretty solid (although the Green prediction would come out of nowhere) - the LDs actually increased their numbers last time despite a massive drop in overall votes (in part due to not standing in several places), but there are a few seats they lost to Indy's last time they would expect to get back as well as a couple lost in by-elections they might get back, and one of the 4 Lab seats has a majority of 1. Only 1 UKIP was elected last time out of 98 despite a good night for UKIP in other places, so a decent guess would it would not hold that.
Interesting from the prediction the LD vote must be much more concentrated in Cornwall!
My forecast for Wiltshire not too different from Harry's
Con 53 LD 30 Ind 11 Lab 4
and Cornwall
LD 58 Ind 30 Con 25 MK 5 Lab 4 Green 1 may change slightly after nominations if any Independents are standing down
Someone asked for a seat change tally, in those councils where the boundaries have not been changed, the changes come out as follows: Con +36, Lab -118, Lib Dem +127, Ind unchanged, Local Independents +8, Liberals unchanged, UKIP -63, Green +11, Mebynon Kernow +1, Ratepayers -3, NHA unchanged. In terms of councils Con +1 (GAIN Derbyshire and Norfolk, lose Surrey), Lab -2 (lose Derbyshire and Durham), NOC +1 (Con GAIN Norfolk to NOC, Lab lose Durham to NOC, Con lose Surrey to NOC)
That would be a truly spectacular result for the Lib Dems.
Just two days in and Brexit is already not going to plan. Shudders.
If Merkel means what she says that the divorce bill has to be agreed first which I think she cannot go against [ at least until September ] and then discuss other matters, has the train hit the buffers already ?
Nah, there's talk of agreeing frameworks or outlines of principles of exit before quickly moving on to trade. A deal simply has to be viewed as the whole deal so we could say we'll agree to xyz in principle if we get what we want on trade etc. That can then be revisited in more detail depending on how that turns out and so on. If they expect us to sign up to every dot and dash on vellum before thinking at some point when they feel like it maybe, perhaps, to talk about trade at some vague point in the future- we walk. The two sides aren't that daft. This is all limbering up.
What does concern me is Juncker's ( and Barnier's?) thinking of being transparent and open during negotiations. Madness pure and simple. A perfect feeding frenzy for the press. Bismarck's dictum about laws and sausages should apply.
Have you seen what Merkel said [ and Hollande ] ?
Have you, since Merkel certainly didn't say it had to be agreed.
The fact that people are arguing about this shows how skilful Merkel is.
Not really. The fact you are arguing about it shows how gullible you are. Things will resolve.
The status of EU/UK nationals - which should not have been on the table in the first place for which both sides are at fault - will be resolved first and very quickly.
Wishful thinking. The linkage between this question and the status of Northern Ireland and Scotland will be one of the first things to blindside the government.
No it really won't. The EU will be told to go take a running jump and stop interfering in the internal affairs of a country. Scotland will hopefully get independence at some point soon but it won't be because of the EU sticking its nose in. I really don't think countries like Spain would welcome setting a precedent like that
Have you, since Merkel certainly didn't say it had to be agreed.
The fact that people are arguing about this shows how skilful Merkel is.
Not really. The fact you are arguing about it shows how gullible you are. Things will resolve.
The status of EU/UK nationals - which should not have been on the table in the first place for which both sides are at fault - will be resolved first and very quickly.
Wishful thinking. The linkage between this question and the status of Northern Ireland and Scotland will be one of the first things to blindside the government.
Genuine question: do you, and will you, feel any loyalty to this country when it Leaves the EU?
To the country and the people, yes absolutely, but I think the UK as a state has run its course. The 'precious' union to me is now the EU and I would hope that the nations of the UK individually chose to take up their rightful place in it.
Doesn't sound like a yes.
If you're applying loyalty tests on A Day+1, that's unhealthy snipt.
It's a conversation between me and will.
I've learnt that conversation with you on this subject is entirely non productive. You are the Peter Hitchens of Remain.
No offence.
You would do well to reflect on what I wrote though. If British citizenship is to be reserved only for those who wear Union Jack socks and who are looking forward to the abolition of decimalisation, the country is going to go to the dogs fast.
No offence.
We'd need the Greyhound Stadiums back for that first.
Leavers' epic post-referendum failure is any attempt to develop an idea of Britishness that can include the views of those who disagreed with them.
Works both ways mate.
When you're ready for serious dialogue on this, rather than questions my morals and demanding I surrender the vote and the argument, give me a shout and we'll talk.
Leave won. It's your shitshow, you've got to make it work.
Yep Junker is a bit of an embarrasment. Personally I quite like Donald Tusk, I think he's excellent for Europe.
He was absolutely out of his tree today, banging on about heading a campaign for Ohio to leave the USA.
What?
And Texas.
Actually I think he said specifically Austin Texas. Not sure why he feels the rest of the State is unworthy of his attention.
Well Austin is the capital, and I guess if your're from Luxembourg you conflate the capital with the whole state easily enough. Well after a glass or two at least
Comments
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4364730/Grandmother-tackles-Remain-campaigners-Sunderland.html
When you're ready for serious dialogue on this, rather than questions my morals and demanding I surrender the vote and the argument, give me a shout and we'll talk.
out in the sticks were dancing round the maypole, banging on the Bhangra and enjoying the first days of spring
youre mowing people down on pavements
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/847540318501302273
If the wheels don't come off the economy bigly and soon, there will be even more egg on all your faces.
I really am sick and tired of explaining this same thing over and over.
fking brainless
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0qgbvWgGMhw
http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-britain-sky-data-poll-reveals-a-nation-divided-10713985
EU = LUFTWAFFE
REMAINERS = Mosley & Co.
Not listening to them, mind you.
https://bloom.bg/2oc7WCE
things move on, in 12 months no one will give a shit
the bloody frogs trashed the place so we'd never want ir back
https://twitter.com/alistairbarrie/status/847403788352667648
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/847551507427753984
Hamon and Dupont-Aignan have said they will take part.
France Télévisions will announce their decision tomorrow morning (Friday).
As far as I'm aware, none of the 11 candidates has pulled out of the BFMTV-CNews debate scheduled for 4 April, next Tuesday.
He was a complete fraud.
Private Education for the kids, you bet.
White's , never out of it now.
Blood sports, lots and lots.
https://twitter.com/RuthDavidsonMSP/status/847552540959002624
I can't imagine that the Irish in particular fancy the EU offering them up as a human sacrifice in the name of the EU stalling strategy.
The 27 will not stick together.
I am mildly curious at who suggests the framing for these type of photos and what message they are going for.
Only St George & TSE the last Tory remainers.
https://order-order.com/2017/03/30/polish-mp-complains-jean-claude-druncker/
'Of course, the result is not the result that I sought'
Whereas George is just a git.
Das war ein Befehl! Der Farron-Angriff war ein Befehl!!
do you know Laura Kuenssbergs husband is called James Kelly
spooky
http://www.politico.eu/article/juncker-threatens-to-promote-ohio-independence-after-trumps-brexit-backing/
Some people manage to be functioning alcoholics...others not so much...
Con 53 LD 30 Ind 11 Lab 4
and Cornwall
LD 58 Ind 30 Con 25 MK 5 Lab 4 Green 1 may change slightly after nominations if any Independents are standing down