All these arguments about the "right" levels of immigration into the UK, are like arguments about the "best" use and disposal of horse manure in London streets, in about 1890
So you are comparing people to faeces now?
Drink some coffee and dry out man.
Oh grow up. The comparison was metaphorical. Not literal. Horses were considered a big issue in London in the 1890s. We needed room for stables, liveries, mews, there was the problem of manure, where to put all the ancillary industries - tanneries, farriers, etc.
Then came the internal combustion engine, and within two decades horses, and all the positives and negatives of their presence, were rendered entirely and laughably irrelevant.
We are arguing about immigration like it is something we must have or die. It would have felt the same vis-a-vis horse-drawn traffic in the late Victorian era.
But the truth is we are facing a period of rapid automation and robotisation where the problem is going to be too MANY people and workers, and not enough jobs.
Take, for instance (if your tiny brain can bear the weight of the concept) the future of drivers. How many pro drivers work in and around London? 50,000? 200,000? More? In ten years time likely ALL those jobs will be gone.
If this was your meaning, then I apologise.
Apology accepted. I also see how my post could have been read, I guess, as some nasty bigoted remark - but it really wasn't. So I am at fault for infelicitous phrasing. Like I said: jetlag.
I need more coffee and I need to get off PB. Later.
All these arguments about the "right" levels of immigration into the UK, are like arguments about the "best" use and disposal of horse manure in London streets, in about 1890
So you are comparing people to faeces now?
Drink some coffee and dry out man.
Oh grow up. The comparison was metaphorical. Not literal. Horses were considered a big issue in London in the 1890s. We needed room for stables, liveries, mews, there was the problem of manure, where to put all the ancillary industries - tanneries, farriers, etc.
Then came the internal combustion engine, and within two decades horses, and all the positives and negatives of their presence, were rendered entirely and laughably irrelevant.
We are arguing about immigration like it is something we must have or die. It would have felt the same vis-a-vis horse-drawn traffic in the late Victorian era.
But the truth is we are facing a period of rapid automation and robotisation where the problem is going to be too MANY people and workers, and not enough jobs.
Take, for instance (if your tiny brain can bear the weight of the concept) the future of drivers. How many pro drivers work in and around London? 50,000? 200,000? More? In ten years time likely ALL those jobs will be gone.
Not all but many. People like personal service. There's no need for serving staff at the god knows how many coffee shops - they could all be automated - but do people want to get a coffee, even a very good one, from a machine?
At the bottom end of the market, however, it'll revolutionise things. There aren't any tea ladies any more.
I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that there are now more horses in the UK than there were at the end of the nineteenth century, it's just that almost all of them are used recreationaly.
If iScotland wishes to enter the EU, then they will have to adopt the Euro.
The fiscal rules will be tight, but I think John Swinney will perhaps be able to cook up a deal with either Ruth Davidson or Wee Willie Winkie to get economically prudent budgets through Holyrood. I expect the current cosy relationship between the SNP and the Greens will sour rapidly if iScotland was ever heading into the EU with the necessary fiscal responsibility to meet deficit rules...
Covered all the relevant parties in Scotland there I think.
SLablessly bitchy!
FPT - great to find another Lionel Davidson fan on PB, and hopefully create some new ones.
Which is what they currently have. We exist in a currency union - the English Pound, the Scottish pound, the NI pound, the Manx pound and the pounds of the Bailiwicks.
No there's only one pound sterling - as backed by the Bank of England.
The Scots banks are entitled to print their own Mickey Mouse money by having enough real money to back it up
"It is quite remarkable that LAB, the party that for generations has been seen as the mouthpiece of the working classes, now finds itself in third place amongst that group."
It's been many many years since the Labour Party was the mouthpiece of the working classes. For too many years, Labour has told the working classes to STFU because what came out of their mouths was racist, Islamaphobic bile. They have been told what they were supposed to think, how they were to meekly progress towards being progressives.
And all the while Labour was opening the borders, to "rub the Right's noses in diversity". Turns out they were rubbing their voters' noses in it. Tragically comic.
Yup. And Democrats still haven't woken up. I hope they pick Warren or Ellison as Chair.
They can continue to wail about boys prevented from using girls toilets. Nothing makes me think the Left has lost their marbles more than this. Most think it's just creepy.
All these arguments about the "right" levels of immigration into the UK, are like arguments about the "best" use and disposal of horse manure in London streets, in about 1890
So you are comparing people to faeces now?
Drink some coffee and dry out man.
Oh grow up. The comparison was metaphorical. Not literal. Horses were considered a big issue in London in the 1890s. We needed room for stables, liveries, mews, there was the problem of manure, where to put all the ancillary industries - tanneries, farriers, etc.
Then came the internal combustion engine, and within two decades horses, and all the positives and negatives of their presence, were rendered entirely and laughably irrelevant.
We are arguing about immigration like it is something we must have or die. It would have felt the same vis-a-vis horse-drawn traffic in the late Victorian era.
But the truth is we are facing a period of rapid automation and robotisation where the problem is going to be too MANY people and workers, and not enough jobs.
Take, for instance (if your tiny brain can bear the weight of the concept) the future of drivers. How many pro drivers work in and around London? 50,000? 200,000? More? In ten years time likely ALL those jobs will be gone.
A universal basic income and retraining funded by a tax on robots is the inevitable result of automation
Promptly followed by all those robots (and their factories) moving offshore into a regime that doesn't charge the Robot Tax.
Salmond decided the franchise in 2014 as Sturgeon will for 2018. It will be the same 16-17 year olds in and European Citizens.It will be the same franchise as elected the Parliament which is about to vote for the referendum.
If Cameron had taken Salmond's advice and included these groups last June he would still be Prime Minister!!!
You must understand the riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma that is Brexityoon logic.
Sturgeon is bluffing because no one wants Indy ref II and she would definitely lose, but May should block it anyway, however just in case the franchise should be withdrawn from 16-17 year olds & EU nationals, and the winning threshold for Yes should be raised to 60%.
I think that covers their current position(s).
You forgot about border patrol boats on the Tweed but not on the Foyle. A personal favourite of mine.
True. I like the fact that they're still recycling IF YOU VOTE YES YOU WILL BE OUT OF THE EU!
That is particularly odd. The desperation from Leaver-Unionists for Scots to be rejected by the EU, which they themselves rejected, provides constant amusement.
Liked @scotslass 's roundup earlier. I don't watch Dr Who. Is Capaldi now a nat?
They can continue to wail about boys prevented from using girls toilets. Nothing makes me think the Left has lost their marbles more than this. Most think it's just creepy.
That is not what it is about. That is just dog-whistling.
All these arguments about the "right" levels of immigration into the UK, are like arguments about the "best" use and disposal of horse manure in London streets, in about 1890
So you are comparing people to faeces now?
Drink some coffee and dry out man.
Oh grow up. The comparison was metaphorical. Not literal. Horses were considered a big issue in London in the 1890s. We needed room for stables, liveries, mews, there was the problem of manure, where to put all the ancillary industries - tanneries, farriers, etc.
Then came the internal combustion engine, and within two decades horses, and all the positives and negatives of their presence, were rendered entirely and laughably irrelevant.
We are arguing about immigration like it is something we must have or die. It would have felt the same vis-a-vis horse-drawn traffic in the late Victorian era.
But the truth is we are facing a period of rapid automation and robotisation where the problem is going to be too MANY people and workers, and not enough jobs.
Take, for instance (if your tiny brain can bear the weight of the concept) the future of drivers. How many pro drivers work in and around London? 50,000? 200,000? More? In ten years time likely ALL those jobs will be gone.
Not all but many. People like personal service. There's no need for serving staff at the god knows how many coffee shops - they could all be automated - but do people want to get a coffee, even a very good one, from a machine?
At the bottom end of the market, however, it'll revolutionise things. There aren't any tea ladies any more.
I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that there are now more horses in the UK than there were at the end of the nineteenth century, it's just that almost all of them are used recreationaly.
Salmond decided the franchise in 2014 as Sturgeon will for 2018. It will be the same 16-17 year olds in and European Citizens.It will be the same franchise as elected the Parliament which is about to vote for the referendum.
If Cameron had taken Salmond's advice and included these groups last June he would still be Prime Minister!!!
You must understand the riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma that is Brexityoon logic.
Sturgeon is bluffing because no one wants Indy ref II and she would definitely lose, but May should block it anyway, however just in case the franchise should be withdrawn from 16-17 year olds & EU nationals, and the winning threshold for Yes should be raised to 60%.
I think that covers their current position(s).
You forgot about border patrol boats on the Tweed but not on the Foyle. A personal favourite of mine.
True. I like the fact that they're still recycling IF YOU VOTE YES YOU WILL BE OUT OF THE EU!
That is particularly odd. The desperation from Leaver-Unionists for Scots to be rejected by the EU, which they themselves rejected, provides constant amusement.
Liked @scotslass 's roundup earlier. I don't watch Dr Who. Is Capaldi now a nat?
David Tennant who was more or less pro Union last time, if not quite in the flesh.
Since the Electoral Commission is unlikely to permit a repeat of the previous question,
Should Scotland leave the United Kingdom and adopt the Euro?
would seem like a reasonable question......certainly worth discussing......along with the Scottish government's plan to get to a 3% deficit and how much it thinks it would contribute to the EU (no one seriously doubts Scotland will be a net contributor, surely?)
But look on the bright side, you'll finally get your hands on those 'Whisky Export Duties'......
There are going to be some controls on the Foyle. Cameras and the like. The harder border will be across the Irish Sea. ... There will be a harder border, and tariff and non-tariff barriers on the Tweed, if iScotland.
The situation in Ireland has some nuances. For example everybody born there (north OR south) is a citizen of the Republic and thus is an EU citizen too.
Anyone born on the "island of Ireland" before 2005 is an Irish Citizen. Anyone in the North and born to Irish parents or grandparents is also an Irish citizen. That means that almost everyone in the north is an EU citizen.
Salmond decided the franchise in 2014 as Sturgeon will for 2018. It will be the same 16-17 year olds in and European Citizens.It will be the same franchise as elected the Parliament which is about to vote for the referendum.
If Cameron had taken Salmond's advice and included these groups last June he would still be Prime Minister!!!
You must understand the riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma that is Brexityoon logic.
Sturgeon is bluffing because no one wants Indy ref II and she would definitely lose, but May should block it anyway, however just in case the franchise should be withdrawn from 16-17 year olds & EU nationals, and the winning threshold for Yes should be raised to 60%.
I think that covers their current position(s).
You forgot about border patrol boats on the Tweed but not on the Foyle. A personal favourite of mine.
True. I like the fact that they're still recycling IF YOU VOTE YES YOU WILL BE OUT OF THE EU!
That is particularly odd. The desperation from Leaver-Unionists for Scots to be rejected by the EU, which they themselves rejected, provides constant amusement.
Liked @scotslass 's roundup earlier. I don't watch Dr Who. Is Capaldi now a nat?
Muswell Hill residents won't be invited to vote in IndiRef2, so Capaldi won't vote No as he previously didn't vote Yes.
I could see the EU removing the need for ERM2 membership, which a treaty of accession could do, given what would be unique circumstances. I can't see them waving away the 3% rule.
Yes, maybe they could make some special arrangement, but they'd be extremely cautious given the Greek experience. One bitten twice shy.
More likely I think would be a prolonged period where Scotland is some kind of associate member of the EU, and then a full member but initially outside the Eurozone. In the meantime, the problem of the currency would be a severe one; there aren't any good options, but a floating Scottish pound would probably be the only one which would work. It wouldn't work very well, though, given the tight integration with the UK economy.
Not all but many. People like personal service. There's no need for serving staff at the god knows how many coffee shops - they could all be automated - but do people want to get a coffee, even a very good one, from a machine?
At the bottom end of the market, however, it'll revolutionise things. There aren't any tea ladies any more.
Salmond decided the franchise in 2014 as Sturgeon will for 2018. It will be the same 16-17 year olds in and European Citizens.It will be the same franchise as elected the Parliament which is about to vote for the referendum.
If Cameron had taken Salmond's advice and included these groups last June he would still be Prime Minister!!!
You must understand the riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma that is Brexityoon logic.
Sturgeon is bluffing because no one wants Indy ref II and she would definitely lose, but May should block it anyway, however just in case the franchise should be withdrawn from 16-17 year olds & EU nationals, and the winning threshold for Yes should be raised to 60%.
I think that covers their current position(s).
You forgot about border patrol boats on the Tweed but not on the Foyle. A personal favourite of mine.
True. I like the fact that they're still recycling IF YOU VOTE YES YOU WILL BE OUT OF THE EU!
That is particularly odd. The desperation from Leaver-Unionists for Scots to be rejected by the EU, which they themselves rejected, provides constant amusement.
Liked @scotslass 's roundup earlier. I don't watch Dr Who. Is Capaldi now a nat?
Leaver-Unionists suffer from a condition called reality. Immunity from it involves holding a membership card for the SNP.
I could see the EU removing the need for ERM2 membership, which a treaty of accession could do, given what would be unique circumstances. I can't see them waving away the 3% rule.
Yes, maybe they could make some special arrangement, but they'd be extremely cautious given the Greek experience. One bitten twice shy.
More likely I think would be a prolonged period where Scotland is some kind of associate member of the EU, and then a full member but initially outside the Eurozone. In the meantime, the problem of the currency would be a severe one; there aren't any good options, but a floating Scottish pound would probably be the only one which would work. It wouldn't work very well, though, given the tight integration with the UK economy.
All these arguments about the "right" levels of immigration into the UK, are like arguments about the "best" use and disposal of horse manure in London streets, in about 1890
So you are comparing people to faeces now?
Drink some coffee and dry out man.
Oh grow up. The comparison was metaphorical. Not literal. Horses were considered a big issue in London in the 1890s. We needed room for stables, liveries, mews, there was the problem of manure, where to put all the ancillary industries - tanneries, farriers, etc.
Then came the internal combustion engine, and within two decades horses, and all the positives and negatives of their presence, were rendered entirely and laughably irrelevant.
We are arguing about immigration like it is something we must have or die. It would have felt the same vis-a-vis horse-drawn traffic in the late Victorian era.
But the truth is we are facing a period of rapid automation and robotisation where the problem is going to be too MANY people and workers, and not enough jobs.
Take, for instance (if your tiny brain can bear the weight of the concept) the future of drivers. How many pro drivers work in and around London? 50,000? 200,000? More? In ten years time likely ALL those jobs will be gone.
A universal basic income and retraining funded by a tax on robots is the inevitable result of automation
Promptly followed by all those robots (and their factories) moving offshore into a regime that doesn't charge the Robot Tax.
How many factories can you fit on the Cayman Islands?
I could see the EU removing the need for ERM2 membership, which a treaty of accession could do, given what would be unique circumstances. I can't see them waving away the 3% rule.
Yes, maybe they could make some special arrangement, but they'd be extremely cautious given the Greek experience. One bitten twice shy.
More likely I think would be a prolonged period where Scotland is some kind of associate member of the EU, and then a full member but initially outside the Eurozone. In the meantime, the problem of the currency would be a severe one; there aren't any good options, but a floating Scottish pound would probably be the only one which would work. It wouldn't work very well, though, given the tight integration with the UK economy.
I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that there are now more horses in the UK than there were at the end of the nineteenth century, it's just that almost all of them are used recreationaly.
They cost a fortune.
Try having a boat.
Boat (n) From Middle English boot, bot, boet, boyt (“boat”): A hole in the water into which you pour money
There are going to be some controls on the Foyle. Cameras and the like. The harder border will be across the Irish Sea. ... There will be a harder border, and tariff and non-tariff barriers on the Tweed, if iScotland.
The situation in Ireland has some nuances. For example everybody born there (north OR south) is a citizen of the Republic and thus is an EU citizen too.
Anyone born on the "island of Ireland" before 2005 is an Irish Citizen. Anyone in the North and born to Irish parents or grandparents is also an Irish citizen. That means that almost everyone in the north is an EU citizen.
That makes for an interesting border situation...
When you say 'is an Irish citizen' - does it not have to be applied for? I can imagine large numbers of NI residents would not want Irish citizenship....
I know I'm entitled to dual Brit-Irish citizenship through a Falls Rd born Nain.
Salmond decided the franchise in 2014 as Sturgeon will for 2018. It will be the same 16-17 year olds in and European Citizens.It will be the same franchise as elected the Parliament which is about to vote for the referendum.
If Cameron had taken Salmond's advice and included these groups last June he would still be Prime Minister!!!
You must understand the riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma that is Brexityoon logic.
Sturgeon is bluffing because no one wants Indy ref II and she would definitely lose, but May should block it anyway, however just in case the franchise should be withdrawn from 16-17 year olds & EU nationals, and the winning threshold for Yes should be raised to 60%.
I think that covers their current position(s).
You forgot about border patrol boats on the Tweed but not on the Foyle. A personal favourite of mine.
True. I like the fact that they're still recycling IF YOU VOTE YES YOU WILL BE OUT OF THE EU!
That is particularly odd. The desperation from Leaver-Unionists for Scots to be rejected by the EU, which they themselves rejected, provides constant amusement.
Liked @scotslass 's roundup earlier. I don't watch Dr Who. Is Capaldi now a nat?
Scotland will likely be accepted by the EEA but if it is that just guarantees border controls and customs duties once the rest of the UK leaves the EEA
David Tennant has materialised as a former Dalek, now a Time Lord.
A good endorsement. My understanding is JK Rowling is also now pro-Indy. With me and @SouthamObserver also having switched sides, the key endorsements are certainly racking up
Salmond decided the franchise in 2014 as Sturgeon will for 2018. It will be the same 16-17 year olds in and European Citizens.It will be the same franchise as elected the Parliament which is about to vote for the referendum.
If Cameron had taken Salmond's advice and included these groups last June he would still be Prime Minister!!!
You must understand the riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma that is Brexityoon logic.
Sturgeon is bluffing because no one wants Indy ref II and she would definitely lose, but May should block it anyway, however just in case the franchise should be withdrawn from 16-17 year olds & EU nationals, and the winning threshold for Yes should be raised to 60%.
I think that covers their current position(s).
You forgot about border patrol boats on the Tweed but not on the Foyle. A personal favourite of mine.
True. I like the fact that they're still recycling IF YOU VOTE YES YOU WILL BE OUT OF THE EU!
That is particularly odd. The desperation from Leaver-Unionists for Scots to be rejected by the EU, which they themselves rejected, provides constant amusement.
Liked @scotslass 's roundup earlier. I don't watch Dr Who. Is Capaldi now a nat?
Leaver-Unionists suffer from a condition called reality. Immunity from it involves holding a membership card for the SNP.
Yes, Leavers' grasp on reality is there on record for all to see
"It is quite remarkable that LAB, the party that for generations has been seen as the mouthpiece of the working classes, now finds itself in third place amongst that group."
It's been many many years since the Labour Party was the mouthpiece of the working classes. For too many years, Labour has told the working classes to STFU because what came out of their mouths was racist, Islamaphobic bile. They have been told what they were supposed to think, how they were to meekly progress towards being progressives.
And all the while Labour was opening the borders, to "rub the Right's noses in diversity". Turns out they were rubbing their voters' noses in it. Tragically comic.
Yup. And Democrats still haven't woken up. I hope they pick Warren or Ellison as Chair.
They can continue to wail about boys prevented from using girls toilets. Nothing makes me think the Left has lost their marbles more than this. Most think it's just creepy.
Yes, an incredible legacy: JFK put Men on the Moon, Obama put Men in the Ladies' Bathroom
Promptly followed by all those robots (and their factories) moving offshore into a regime that doesn't charge the Robot Tax.
How many factories can you fit on the Cayman Islands?
Pick a third world country, especially in Asia, of your choice that will be quite happy to take your factories and not charge them any silly Robot tax, just for the benefit of the other taxes it can claim, most of which will also be lower than at home.
Salmond decided the franchise in 2014 as Sturgeon will for 2018. It will be the same 16-17 year olds in and European Citizens.It will be the same franchise as elected the Parliament which is about to vote for the referendum.
If Cameron had taken Salmond's advice and included these groups last June he would still be Prime Minister!!!
You must understand the riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma that is Brexityoon logic.
Sturgeon is bluffing because no one wants Indy ref II and she would definitely lose, but May should block it anyway, however just in case the franchise should be withdrawn from 16-17 year olds & EU nationals, and the winning threshold for Yes should be raised to 60%.
I think that covers their current position(s).
You forgot about border patrol boats on the Tweed but not on the Foyle. A personal favourite of mine.
True. I like the fact that they're still recycling IF YOU VOTE YES YOU WILL BE OUT OF THE EU!
That is particularly odd. The desperation from Leaver-Unionists for Scots to be rejected by the EU, which they themselves rejected, provides constant amusement.
Liked @scotslass 's roundup earlier. I don't watch Dr Who. Is Capaldi now a nat?
Muswell Hill residents won't be invited to vote in IndiRef2, so Capaldi won't vote No as he previously didn't vote Yes.
London N10 will be an enclave of Scotland before too long if you keep up with the Brexit lark!
They can continue to wail about boys prevented from using girls toilets. Nothing makes me think the Left has lost their marbles more than this. Most think it's just creepy.
That is not what it is about. That is just dog-whistling.
It's not, it's an example of how far the liberals have shifted from average views.
All these arguments about the "right" levels of immigration into the UK, are like arguments about the "best" use and disposal of horse manure in London streets, in about 1890
So you are comparing people to faeces now?
Drink some coffee and dry out man.
Oh grow up. The comparison was metaphorical. Not literal. Horses were considered a big issue in London in the 1890s. We needed room for stables, liveries, mews, there was the problem of manure, where to put all the ancillary industries - tanneries, farriers, etc.
Then came the internal combustion engine, and within two decades horses, and all the positives and negatives of their presence, were rendered entirely and laughably irrelevant.
We are arguing about immigration like it is something we must have or die. It would have felt the same vis-a-vis horse-drawn traffic in the late Victorian era.
But the truth is we are facing a period of rapid automation and robotisation where the problem is going to be too MANY people and workers, and not enough jobs.
Take, for instance (if your tiny brain can bear the weight of the concept) the future of drivers. How many pro drivers work in and around London? 50,000? 200,000? More? In ten years time likely ALL those jobs will be gone.
A universal basic income and retraining funded by a tax on robots is the inevitable result of automation
Promptly followed by all those robots (and their factories) moving offshore into a regime that doesn't charge the Robot Tax.
Every regime worldwide will impose the robot tax given global automation and that the inevitable alternative is a violent revolution or a Communist government from the new mass underclass
Which is what they currently have. We exist in a currency union - the English Pound, the Scottish pound, the NI pound, the Manx pound and the pounds of the Bailiwicks.
No there's only one pound sterling - as backed by the Bank of England.
The Scots banks are entitled to print their own Mickey Mouse money by having enough real money to back it up
Yes that's right. In fact I believe Scottish notes are not even legal tender, merely legal currency.
Legal tender is a bank of England £5, £10 & £20 note, but not a £50 note from memory.
Labour couldn't give a fuck about the working class. (horrible people, drive white vans and the really awful ones fly the flag)
Now that feeling is being repaid by the voters.
Heart of stone etc
I come from a staunch working class large West Midlands family,car workers, union officials etc.They have pretty much all stopped voting Labour-it just doesn't represent them any more.
"It is quite remarkable that LAB, the party that for generations has been seen as the mouthpiece of the working classes, now finds itself in third place amongst that group."
It's been many many years since the Labour Party was the mouthpiece of the working classes. For too many years, Labour has told the working classes to STFU because what came out of their mouths was racist, Islamaphobic bile. They have been told what they were supposed to think, how they were to meekly progress towards being progressives.
And all the while Labour was opening the borders, to "rub the Right's noses in diversity". Turns out they were rubbing their voters' noses in it. Tragically comic.
Yup. And Democrats still haven't woken up. I hope they pick Warren or Ellison as Chair.
They can continue to wail about boys prevented from using girls toilets. Nothing makes me think the Left has lost their marbles more than this. Most think it's just creepy.
Yes, an incredible legacy: JFK put Men on the Moon, Obama put Men in the Ladies' Bathroom
It's so creepy - peeping toms, in schools. Urgh. And to smile on a tiny fraction of society?
They can continue to wail about boys prevented from using girls toilets. Nothing makes me think the Left has lost their marbles more than this. Most think it's just creepy.
That is not what it is about. That is just dog-whistling.
It's not, it's an example of how far the liberals have shifted from average views.
So you would be happy if this person (born female, XX chromosomes, etc) shared the toilet with you?
All these arguments about the "right" levels of immigration into the UK, are like arguments about the "best" use and disposal of horse manure in London streets, in about 1890
So you are comparing people to faeces now?
Drink some coffee and dry out man.
Oh grow up. The comparison was metaphorical. Not literal. Horses were considered a big issue in London in the 1890s. We needed room for stables, liveries, mews, there was the problem of manure, where to put all the ancillary industries - tanneries, farriers, etc.
Then came the internal combustion engine, and within two decades horses, and all the positives and negatives of their presence, were rendered entirely and laughably irrelevant.
We are arguing about immigration like it is something we must have or die. It would have felt the same vis-a-vis horse-drawn traffic in the late Victorian era.
But the truth is we are facing a period of rapid automation and robotisation where the problem is going to be too MANY people and workers, and not enough jobs.
Take, for instance (if your tiny brain can bear the weight of the concept) the future of drivers. How many pro drivers work in and around London? 50,000? 200,000? More? In ten years time likely ALL those jobs will be gone.
Not all but many. People like personal service. There's no need for serving staff at the god knows how many coffee shops - they could all be automated - but do people want to get a coffee, even a very good one, from a machine?
At the bottom end of the market, however, it'll revolutionise things. There aren't any tea ladies any more.
I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that there are now more horses in the UK than there were at the end of the nineteenth century, it's just that almost all of them are used recreationaly.
They cost a fortune.
Bite at one end, kick at the other, and bloody uncomfortable in the middle.
"most of the UKIP people are either people who haven’t voted or have flipped in a radical way from Labour. They are toe-rags, basically. They are the bloke who nicks your bike"
“No, seriously, that’s who it is, it’s the bloke who does all the anti-social things.“
As I have said before I grew up on a council estate, was lucky enough to go to a Grammar school and worked long hours and put in time on top of that studying in the evenings.
It paid off for me, but Labour gives every impression of hating people like me.
All these arguments about the "right" levels of immigration into the UK, are like arguments about the "best" use and disposal of horse manure in London streets, in about 1890
So you are comparing people to faeces now?
Drink some coffee and dry out man.
Oh grow up. The comparison was metaphorical. Not literal. Horses were considered a big issue in London in the 1890s. We needed room for stables, liveries, mews, there was the problem of manure, where to put all the ancillary industries - tanneries, farriers, etc.
Then came the internal combustion engine, and within two decades horses, and all the positives and negatives of their presence, were rendered entirely and laughably irrelevant.
We are arguing about immigration like it is something we must have or die. It would have felt the same vis-a-vis horse-drawn traffic in the late Victorian era.
But the truth is we are facing a period of rapid automation and robotisation where the problem is going to be too MANY people and workers, and not enough jobs.
Take, for instance (if your tiny brain can bear the weight of the concept) the future of drivers. How many pro drivers work in and around London? 50,000? 200,000? More? In ten years time likely ALL those jobs will be gone.
A universal basic income and retraining funded by a tax on robots is the inevitable result of automation
Promptly followed by all those robots (and their factories) moving offshore into a regime that doesn't charge the Robot Tax.
Every regime worldwide will impose the robot tax given global automation and that the inevitable alternative is a violent revolution or a Communist government from the new mass underclass
No they wont. Automation isn't going to be a threat to the third world for a long time. What looks like a good business decision at $15-20/hr is completely nonsensical in the third world where people earn $1-2/hr. In almost all of the third world countries in Asia it almost impossible to buy even domestic appliances right now, because its cheaper to hire someone to do your washing etc.
"It is quite remarkable that LAB, the party that for generations has been seen as the mouthpiece of the working classes, now finds itself in third place amongst that group."
It's been many many years since the Labour Party was the mouthpiece of the working classes. For too many years, Labour has told the working classes to STFU because what came out of their mouths was racist, Islamaphobic bile. They have been told what they were supposed to think, how they were to meekly progress towards being progressives.
And all the while Labour was opening the borders, to "rub the Right's noses in diversity". Turns out they were rubbing their voters' noses in it. Tragically comic.
Yup. And Democrats still haven't woken up. I hope they pick Warren or Ellison as Chair.
They can continue to wail about boys prevented from using girls toilets. Nothing makes me think the Left has lost their marbles more than this. Most think it's just creepy.
The Democrats have the equivalent of U.S. LDs and lead the latest House poll by 8%
Every regime worldwide will impose the robot tax given global automation and that the inevitable alternative is a violent revolution or a Communist government from the new mass underclass
They can continue to wail about boys prevented from using girls toilets. Nothing makes me think the Left has lost their marbles more than this. Most think it's just creepy.
That is not what it is about. That is just dog-whistling.
It's not, it's an example of how far the liberals have shifted from average views.
So you would be happy if this person (born female, XX chromosomes, etc) shared the toilet with you?
Duddridge is a real deadwood dud. Nothing more likely to unite the Commons behind Bercow than boasting about Cabinet support!
He was embarrassed on R4 by John Humphries who reminded him that Bercow was the one that pushed the referendum bill, despite opposition from Cons at the time. He (Duddridge) was unaware.
The question will be exactly the same as 2014 as will the franchise - only the result will change.
Both are subject to agreement by Westminster. As circumstances have changed there may be changes to both the question and the franchise.
When the Scots eventually vote for independence will you suddenly become a supporter of it, as you did with Brexit?
I'm a democrat - what are you?
So is that a yes then?
And no answer from you.....
My answer is widely known. Brexit should happen. Can't change the vote. But no-one voted for leaving the single market – so we should stay in that. Sadly your mate May has caved into the frother wing of your once great party and now we are headed for economic isolation.
The question will be exactly the same as 2014 as will the franchise - only the result will change.
Both are subject to agreement by Westminster. As circumstances have changed there may be changes to both the question and the franchise.
When the Scots eventually vote for independence will you suddenly become a supporter of it, as you did with Brexit?
I'm a democrat - what are you?
So is that a yes then?
And no answer from you.....
My answer is widely known. Brexit should happen. Can't change the vote. But no-one voted for leaving the single market – so we should stay in that. Sadly your mate May has caved into the frother wing of your once great party and now we are headed for economic isolation.
So what is your answer, to my question?
I thought during the campaign it was clear a vote to leave would be a vote to leave the single market?
Oh grow up. The comparison was metaphorical. Not literal. Horses were considered a big issue in London in the 1890s. We needed room for stables, liveries, mews, there was the problem of manure, where to put all the ancillary industries - tanneries, farriers, etc.
Then came the internal combustion engine, and within two decades horses, and all the positives and negatives of their presence, were rendered entirely and laughably irrelevant.
We are arguing about immigration like it is something we must have or die. It would have felt the same vis-a-vis horse-drawn traffic in the late Victorian era.
But the truth is we are facing a period of rapid automation and robotisation where the problem is going to be too MANY people and workers, and not enough jobs.
Take, for instance (if your tiny brain can bear the weight of the concept) the future of drivers. How many pro drivers work in and around London? 50,000? 200,000? More? In ten years time likely ALL those jobs will be gone.
Not all but many. People like personal service. There's no need for serving staff at the god knows how many coffee shops - they could all be automated - but do people want to get a coffee, even a very good one, from a machine?
At the bottom end of the market, however, it'll revolutionise things. There aren't any tea ladies any more.
I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that there are now more horses in the UK than there were at the end of the nineteenth century, it's just that almost all of them are used recreationaly.
I'm fairly sure that won't be true. After all, horses were used recreationally in the 19th century too. But a great many obsolete industries have a zombie afterlife as a leisure passtime or hobby.
Which is what they currently have. We exist in a currency union - the English Pound, the Scottish pound, the NI pound, the Manx pound and the pounds of the Bailiwicks.
No there's only one pound sterling - as backed by the Bank of England.
The Scots banks are entitled to print their own Mickey Mouse money by having enough real money to back it up
That's right: Scottish banks that print their own money are obliged to lodge security with the BoE at a rate of 1:1. To keep the physical side of this manageable, the BoE issues £1m and £100m notes for that purpose.
The question will be exactly the same as 2014 as will the franchise - only the result will change.
Both are subject to agreement by Westminster. As circumstances have changed there may be changes to both the question and the franchise.
When the Scots eventually vote for independence will you suddenly become a supporter of it, as you did with Brexit?
I'm a democrat - what are you?
So is that a yes then?
And no answer from you.....
My answer is widely known. Brexit should happen. Can't change the vote. But no-one voted for leaving the single market – so we should stay in that. Sadly your mate May has caved into the frother wing of your once great party and now we are headed for economic isolation.
The question will be exactly the same as 2014 as will the franchise - only the result will change.
Both are subject to agreement by Westminster. As circumstances have changed there may be changes to both the question and the franchise.
One circumstance is that any reference to "independence" being gained rather than lost by a vote to secede would post Brexit be highly misleading, when the argument for a second referendum in short succession rests on transferring national independence back to the EU.
The UK government should this time put a robust case to the Electoral Commission that the question should be put in terms of Scotland leaving the UK.
In any case the UK might be a tiny bit resistant to the SNP being allowed to roll the dice again and again in short succession, EU style, until they get the answer they want.
The question will be exactly the same as 2014 as will the franchise - only the result will change.
Both are subject to agreement by Westminster. As circumstances have changed there may be changes to both the question and the franchise.
When the Scots eventually vote for independence will you suddenly become a supporter of it, as you did with Brexit?
I'm a democrat - what are you?
So is that a yes then?
And no answer from you.....
My answer is widely known. Brexit should happen. Can't change the vote. But no-one voted for leaving the single market – so we should stay in that. Sadly your mate May has caved into the frother wing of your once great party and now we are headed for economic isolation.
Hoping the Kingdom Asunder paperback will be available within a week or so (on Amazon, it will be available more widely but that takes a little longer).
All these arguments about the "right" levels of immigration into the UK, are like arguments about the "best" use and disposal of horse manure in London streets, in about 1890
So you are comparing people to faeces now?
Drink some coffee and dry out man.
Oh grow up. The comparison was metaphorical. Not literal. Horses were considered a big issue in London in the 1890s. We needed room for stables, liveries, mews, there was the problem of manure, where to put all the ancillary industries - tanneries, farriers, etc.
Then came the internal combustion engine, and within two decades horses, and all the positives and negatives of their presence, were rendered entirely and laughably irrelevant.
We are arguing about immigration like it is something we must have or die. It would have felt the same vis-a-vis horse-drawn traffic in the late Victorian era.
But the truth is we are facing a period of rapid automation and robotisation where the problem is going to be too MANY people and workers, and not enough jobs.
Take, for instance (if your tiny brain can bear the weight of the concept) the future of drivers. How many pro drivers work in and around London? 50,000? 200,000? More? In ten years time likely ALL those jobs will be gone.
A universal basic income and retraining funded by a tax on robots is the inevitable result of automation
Promptly followed by all those robots (and their factories) moving offshore into a regime that doesn't charge the Robot Tax.
Every regime worldwide will impose the robot tax given global automation and that the inevitable alternative is a violent revolution or a Communist government from the new mass underclass
In your dreams perhaps.
Some country will inevitably impose no robot tax and undercut everyone else.
It's called "capitalism" - and it works like that..
Gareth Snell sounds like the authentic voice of Stoke to me :>
Doubt any of those tweets Guido is putting about today will cause him much of an issue.
He certainly doesn't sound like Tristram Hunt!
He doesn't look like him either.. Labour have gone from the "square jawed leading man with great barnet" look to "school nerd trying to pretend he isn't going bald" chic. Appearances matter we are told.
Snell is almost exactly how I imagine a certain PBer to look actually!
@Plato With respect I think you have it wrong on transgender bathroom issues.
The GOP did comparatively poorly in North Carolina, under performing the average swing by 1.6% to 1.8% nationally (And particularly compared to other swing states) and also lost the governor race there. Ted Cruz also got bogged down in the bathroom issue which cost his campaign I think.
That was the state and politician who brought up the bathroom issue the most iirc.
These are not times for reason; hyperbole is the new national mood and under-reaction an admission of apathy. Theresa May falls foul of a commentariat that demands blood, sweat and especially tears, preferably accompanied by a Twitter hashtag and celebrity retweets. The Prime Minister is rebuked for not scolding the American president over an obnoxious policy. On Brexit she is accused of dithering for failing to stick her negotiating strategy up on Facebook and branded callous for using EU nationals as a “bargaining chip”. (No opprobrium attaches to European leaders for doing the same with Brits.)
But Scots who oppose the break-up of the United Kingdom have no greater friend than Mrs May’s stout sense of proportion. She is no poll-frit PR smoothie in terror of the next focus group. She is not, and no despatch box mimicry will make her, Margaret Thatcher. To the extent this vicar’s daughter hews to any philosophy, it is the Anglican injunction that we be “quietly governed”.
All these arguments about the "right" levels of immigration into the UK, are like arguments about the "best" use and disposal of horse manure in London streets, in about 1890
So you are comparing people to faeces now?
Drink some coffee and dry out man.
Oh grow up. The comparison was metaphorical. Not literal. Horses were considered a big issue in London in the 1890s. We needed room for stables, liveries, mews, there was the problem of manure, where to put all the ancillary industries - tanneries, farriers, etc.
Then came the internal combustion engine, and within two decades horses, and all the positives and negatives of their presence, were rendered entirely and laughably irrelevant.
We are arguing about immigration like it is something we must have or die. It would have felt the same vis-a-vis horse-drawn traffic in the late Victorian era.
But the truth is we are facing a period of rapid automation and robotisation where the problem is going to be too MANY people and workers, and not enough jobs.
Take, for instance (if your tiny brain can bear the weight of the concept) the future of drivers. How many pro drivers work in and around London? 50,000? 200,000? More? In ten years time likely ALL those jobs will be gone.
A universal basic income and retraining funded by a tax on robots is the inevitable result of automation
Promptly followed by all those robots (and their factories) moving offshore into a regime that doesn't charge the Robot Tax.
Every regime worldwide will impose the robot tax given global automation and that the inevitable alternative is a violent revolution or a Communist government from the new mass underclass
In your dreams perhaps.
Some country will inevitably impose no robot tax and undercut everyone else.
It's called "capitalism" - and it works like that..
Nope as Greece proves once unemployment goes over 25% you get a hard left government. Capitalism only works if most people benefit from it, the moment it only benefits an elite minority it effectively becomes feudalism except worse because most do not have work to do, that may then produce the next Lenin never mind the next Tsipras!
@Plato With respect I think you have it wrong on transgender bathroom issues.
The GOP did comparatively poorly in North Carolina, under performing the average swing by 1.6% to 1.8% nationally (And particularly compared to other swing states) and also lost the governor race there. Ted Cruz also got bogged down in the bathroom issue which cost his campaign I think.
That was the state and politician who brought up the bathroom issue the most iirc.
Trump, sensibly, largely avoided it.
I doubt we can make a direct link on a single issue here, even in California
The question will be exactly the same as 2014 as will the franchise - only the result will change.
Both are subject to agreement by Westminster. As circumstances have changed there may be changes to both the question and the franchise.
When the Scots eventually vote for independence will you suddenly become a supporter of it, as you did with Brexit?
I'm a democrat - what are you?
So is that a yes then?
And no answer from you.....
My answer is widely known. Brexit should happen. Can't change the vote. But no-one voted for leaving the single market – so we should stay in that. Sadly your mate May has caved into the frother wing of your once great party and now we are headed for economic isolation.
One was the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, the head of the government that would enact whatever happened after the referendum, the other was a non-longer existing campaign group with no responsibility whatsoever.
But you knew that.
(Not to mention that you have no evidence whatsoever that the aspirational 350m ("Let us") won't happen, and wont know for a couple of years.)
All these arguments about the "right" levels of immigration into the UK, are like arguments about the "best" use and disposal of horse manure in London streets, in about 1890
So you are comparing people to faeces now?
Drink some coffee and dry out man.
Oh grow up. The comparison was metaphorical. Not literal. Horses were considered a big issue in London in the 1890s. We needed room for stables, liveries, mews, there was the problem of manure, where to put all the ancillary industries - tanneries, farriers, etc.
Then came the internal combustion engine, and within two decades horses, and all the positives and negatives of their presence, were rendered entirely and laughably irrelevant.
We are arguing about immigration like it is something we must have or die. It would have felt the same vis-a-vis horse-drawn traffic in the late Victorian era.
But the truth is we are facing a period of rapid automation and robotisation where the problem is going to be too MANY people and workers, and not enough jobs.
Take, for instance (if your tiny brain can bear the weight of the concept) the future of drivers. How many pro drivers work in and around London? 50,000? 200,000? More? In ten years time likely ALL those jobs will be gone.
A universal basic income and retraining funded by a tax on robots is the inevitable result of automation
Promptly followed by all those robots (and their factories) moving offshore into a regime that doesn't charge the Robot Tax.
Every regime worldwide will impose the robot tax given global automation and that the inevitable alternative is a violent revolution or a Communist government from the new mass underclass
In your dreams perhaps.
Some country will inevitably impose no robot tax and undercut everyone else.
It's called "capitalism" - and it works like that..
Technically, it's called the free market. Capitalism is a model of production, not of competition.
The question will be exactly the same as 2014 as will the franchise - only the result will change.
Both are subject to agreement by Westminster. As circumstances have changed there may be changes to both the question and the franchise.
When the Scots eventually vote for independence will you suddenly become a supporter of it, as you did with Brexit?
I'm a democrat - what are you?
So is that a yes then?
And no answer from you.....
My answer is widely known. Brexit should happen. Can't change the vote. But no-one voted for leaving the single market – so we should stay in that. Sadly your mate May has caved into the frother wing of your once great party and now we are headed for economic isolation.
So what is your answer, to my question?
I thought during the campaign it was clear a vote to leave would be a vote to leave the single market?
Gareth Snell sounds like the authentic voice of Stoke to me :>
Doubt any of those tweets Guido is putting about today will cause him much of an issue.
He certainly doesn't sound like Tristram Hunt!
He doesn't look like him either.. Labour have gone from the "square jawed leading man with great barnet" look to "school nerd trying to pretend he isn't going bald" chic. Appearances matter we are told.
Snell is almost exactly how I imagine a certain PBer to look actually!
Speccy Snell's f**cking fantastic. Labour couldn't have chosen a more antipatico candidate.
@Plato With respect I think you have it wrong on transgender bathroom issues.
The GOP did comparatively poorly in North Carolina, under performing the average swing by 1.6% to 1.8% nationally (And particularly compared to other swing states) and also lost the governor race there. Ted Cruz also got bogged down in the bathroom issue which cost his campaign I think.
That was the state and politician who brought up the bathroom issue the most iirc.
Trump, sensibly, largely avoided it.
Trump won by 3.66% which was up from Romney's 2.04% in 2012 so it can't have hurt the GOP that much!
The question will be exactly the same as 2014 as will the franchise - only the result will change.
Both are subject to agreement by Westminster. As circumstances have changed there may be changes to both the question and the franchise.
When the Scots eventually vote for independence will you suddenly become a supporter of it, as you did with Brexit?
I'm a democrat - what are you?
So is that a yes then?
And no answer from you.....
My answer is widely known. Brexit should happen. Can't change the vote. But no-one voted for leaving the single market – so we should stay in that. Sadly your mate May has caved into the frother wing of your once great party and now we are headed for economic isolation.
So what is your answer, to my question?
I thought during the campaign it was clear a vote to leave would be a vote to leave the single market?
@Plato With respect I think you have it wrong on transgender bathroom issues.
The GOP did comparatively poorly in North Carolina, under performing the average swing by 1.6% to 1.8% nationally (And particularly compared to other swing states) and also lost the governor race there. Ted Cruz also got bogged down in the bathroom issue which cost his campaign I think.
That was the state and politician who brought up the bathroom issue the most iirc.
I said that McCrory would lose in NC before the US election. It will be on a PB thread somewhere.
They are now repealling the legislation because of the financial impact it has had and the threat of major sporting events being cancelled up to 2022 - another $600m on top of the costs so far.
The bathroom issue was pure dog-whistle to evangelicals promising them the right to discriminate on a religious basis. Trans people were simply the current target since the US Supreme Court took gay people out of the firing line.
Laws already exist to prevent inappropriate behaviour in bathrooms and I am sure Google will turn up plenty of examples.
@Plato With respect I think you have it wrong on transgender bathroom issues.
The GOP did comparatively poorly in North Carolina, under performing the average swing by 1.6% to 1.8% nationally (And particularly compared to other swing states) and also lost the governor race there. Ted Cruz also got bogged down in the bathroom issue which cost his campaign I think.
That was the state and politician who brought up the bathroom issue the most iirc.
I said that McCrory would lose in NC before the US election. It will be on a PB thread somewhere.
They are now repealling the legislation because of the financial impact it has had and the threat of major sporting events being cancelled up to 2022 - another $600m on top of the costs so far.
The bathroom issue was pure dog-whistle to evangelicals promising them the right to discriminate on a religious basis. Trans people were simply the current target since the US Supreme Court took gay people out of the firing line.
Laws already exist to prevent inappropriate behaviour in bathrooms and I am sure Google will turn up plenty of examples.
If you think I am Googling for "Transgender freaks breaking the law in public bathrooms" on a work computer you're mad.
The question will be exactly the same as 2014 as will the franchise - only the result will change.
Both are subject to agreement by Westminster. As circumstances have changed there may be changes to both the question and the franchise.
When the Scots eventually vote for independence will you suddenly become a supporter of it, as you did with Brexit?
I'm a democrat - what are you?
So is that a yes then?
And no answer from you.....
My answer is widely known. Brexit should happen. Can't change the vote. But no-one voted for leaving the single market – so we should stay in that. Sadly your mate May has caved into the frother wing of your once great party and now we are headed for economic isolation.
One was the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, the head of the government that would enact whatever happened after the referendum, the other was a non-longer existing campaign group with no responsibility whatsoever.
But you knew that.
(Not to mention that you have no evidence whatsoever that the aspirational 350m ("Let us") won't happen, and wont know for a couple of years.)
Was. Was. Was the prime minister.
The other was the official official official Leave group.
Got to repeat it for you because you seem to have a block about it.
The question will be exactly the same as 2014 as will the franchise - only the result will change.
Both are subject to agreement by Westminster. As circumstances have changed there may be changes to both the question and the franchise.
When the Scots eventually vote for independence will you suddenly become a supporter of it, as you did with Brexit?
I'm a democrat - what are you?
So is that a yes then?
And no answer from you.....
My answer is widely known. Brexit should happen. Can't change the vote. But no-one voted for leaving the single market – so we should stay in that. Sadly your mate May has caved into the frother wing of your once great party and now we are headed for economic isolation.
So what is your answer, to my question?
I thought during the campaign it was clear a vote to leave would be a vote to leave the single market?
The question will be exactly the same as 2014 as will the franchise - only the result will change.
Both are subject to agreement by Westminster. As circumstances have changed there may be changes to both the question and the franchise.
When the Scots eventually vote for independence will you suddenly become a supporter of it, as you did with Brexit?
I'm a democrat - what are you?
So is that a yes then?
And no answer from you.....
My answer is widely known. Brexit should happen. Can't change the vote. But no-one voted for leaving the single market – so we should stay in that. Sadly your mate May has caved into the frother wing of your once great party and now we are headed for economic isolation.
So what is your answer, to my question?
I thought during the campaign it was clear a vote to leave would be a vote to leave the single market?
The question will be exactly the same as 2014 as will the franchise - only the result will change.
Both are subject to agreement by Westminster. As circumstances have changed there may be changes to both the question and the franchise.
When the Scots eventually vote for independence will you suddenly become a supporter of it, as you did with Brexit?
I'm a democrat - what are you?
So is that a yes then?
And no answer from you.....
My answer is widely known. Brexit should happen. Can't change the vote. But no-one voted for leaving the single market – so we should stay in that. Sadly your mate May has caved into the frother wing of your once great party and now we are headed for economic isolation.
So what is your answer, to my question?
I thought during the campaign it was clear a vote to leave would be a vote to leave the single market?
Wasn't on the ballot paper.
How is that £350m a week for the NHS working out?
Didn't see that on the ballot paper either.
My point.
Then why does Scott'n'Paste think that it's a Thing?
The question will be exactly the same as 2014 as will the franchise - only the result will change.
Both are subject to agreement by Westminster. As circumstances have changed there may be changes to both the question and the franchise.
When the Scots eventually vote for independence will you suddenly become a supporter of it, as you did with Brexit?
I'm a democrat - what are you?
So is that a yes then?
And no answer from you.....
My answer is widely known. Brexit should happen. Can't change the vote. But no-one voted for leaving the single market – so we should stay in that. Sadly your mate May has caved into the frother wing of your once great party and now we are headed for economic isolation.
One was the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, the head of the government that would enact whatever happened after the referendum, the other was a non-longer existing campaign group with no responsibility whatsoever.
But you knew that.
(Not to mention that you have no evidence whatsoever that the aspirational 350m ("Let us") won't happen, and wont know for a couple of years.)
Was. Was. Was the prime minister.
The other was the official official official Leave group.
Got to repeat it for you because you seem to have a block about it.
The question will be exactly the same as 2014 as will the franchise - only the result will change.
Both are subject to agreement by Westminster. As circumstances have changed there may be changes to both the question and the franchise.
When the Scots eventually vote for independence will you suddenly become a supporter of it, as you did with Brexit?
I'm a democrat - what are you?
So is that a yes then?
And no answer from you.....
My answer is widely known. Brexit should happen. Can't change the vote. But no-one voted for leaving the single market – so we should stay in that. Sadly your mate May has caved into the frother wing of your once great party and now we are headed for economic isolation.
One was the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, the head of the government that would enact whatever happened after the referendum, the other was a non-longer existing campaign group with no responsibility whatsoever.
But you knew that.
(Not to mention that you have no evidence whatsoever that the aspirational 350m ("Let us") won't happen, and wont know for a couple of years.)
Was. Was. Was the prime minister.
The other was the official official official Leave group.
Got to repeat it for you because you seem to have a block about it.
And you seem to have forgotten that the same Prime Minister would stay on even if he lost the vote. Early onset?
All these arguments about the "right" levels of immigration into the UK, are like arguments about the "best" use and disposal of horse manure in London streets, in about 1890
So you are comparing people to faeces now?
Drink some coffee and dry out man.
Oh grow up. The comparison was metaphorical. Not literal. Horses were considered a big issue in London in the 1890s. We needed room for stables, liveries, mews, there was the problem of manure, where to put all the ancillary industries - tanneries, farriers, etc.
Then came the internal combustion engine, and within two decades horses, and all the positives and negatives of their presence, were rendered entirely and laughably irrelevant.
We are arguing about immigration like it is something we must have or die. It would have felt the same vis-a-vis horse-drawn traffic in the late Victorian era.
But the truth is we are facing a period of rapid automation and robotisation where the problem is going to be too MANY people and workers, and not enough jobs.
Take, for instance (if your tiny brain can bear the weight of the concept) the future of drivers. How many pro drivers work in and around London? 50,000? 200,000? More? In ten years time likely ALL those jobs will be gone.
A universal basic income and retraining funded by a tax on robots is the inevitable result of automation
Promptly followed by all those robots (and their factories) moving offshore into a regime that doesn't charge the Robot Tax.
Every regime worldwide will impose the robot tax given global automation and that the inevitable alternative is a violent revolution or a Communist government from the new mass underclass
In your dreams perhaps.
Some country will inevitably impose no robot tax and undercut everyone else.
It's called "capitalism" - and it works like that..
Nope as Greece proves once unemployment goes over 25% you get a hard left government. Capitalism only works if most people benefit from it, the moment it only benefits an elite minority it effectively becomes feudalism except worse because most do not have work to do, that may then produce the next Lenin never mind the next Tsipras!
SO you don't see the benefits of capitalism? No cheap cars, food or internet..
Greece was caused by a corrupt and lying Government which borrowed too much and lied and lied.. and has so pissed off its creditors they will not forgive its debt (which they should do as it will nver be repaid)
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"The relentless logic will be for Eire to exit the EU."
Or Fog in the Channel - Continent cut off!
Other thriller writers are of course available.
The Scots banks are entitled to print their own Mickey Mouse money by having enough real money to back it up
They can continue to wail about boys prevented from using girls toilets. Nothing makes me think the Left has lost their marbles more than this. Most think it's just creepy.
Liked @scotslass 's roundup earlier. I don't watch Dr Who. Is Capaldi now a nat?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/13/dozen-cabinet-ministers-want-john-bercow-gone-commons-speaker/
https://twitter.com/AlexKerr3/status/830418529044291584
Not sure about Capaldi, he keeps his cards quite close to his chest.
David Tennant has materialised as a former Dalek, now a Time Lord.
ONLY one in five Scots back the creation of a separate currency for an independent Scotland, a new poll has revealed.
British pound: 68%
Euro: 10%
Scottish Pound: 21%
https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/scots-want-to-keep-after-independence/
Since the Electoral Commission is unlikely to permit a repeat of the previous question,
Should Scotland leave the United Kingdom and adopt the Euro?
would seem like a reasonable question......certainly worth discussing......along with the Scottish government's plan to get to a 3% deficit and how much it thinks it would contribute to the EU (no one seriously doubts Scotland will be a net contributor, surely?)
But look on the bright side, you'll finally get your hands on those 'Whisky Export Duties'......
Anyone born on the "island of Ireland" before 2005 is an Irish Citizen. Anyone in the North and born to Irish parents or grandparents is also an Irish citizen. That means that almost everyone in the north is an EU citizen.
That makes for an interesting border situation...
More likely I think would be a prolonged period where Scotland is some kind of associate member of the EU, and then a full member but initially outside the Eurozone. In the meantime, the problem of the currency would be a severe one; there aren't any good options, but a floating Scottish pound would probably be the only one which would work. It wouldn't work very well, though, given the tight integration with the UK economy.
http://abc13.com/food/mcdonalds-unveiling-big-mac-atm-today/1729944/
and this the following week
http://abc13.com/technology/robot-baristas-serve-coffee-at-cafe/1729986/
The move by unions for a $15/hr minimum wage is driving it forward very rapidly now.
The question is does the post Brexit experience make independence more or less likely.
Boat (n) From Middle English boot, bot, boet, boyt (“boat”): A hole in the water into which you pour money
I know I'm entitled to dual Brit-Irish citizenship through a Falls Rd born Nain.
The question will be exactly the same as 2014 as will the franchise - only the result will change.
http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/1019912/stream_img.jpg
Now that feeling is being repaid by the voters.
Heart of stone etc
https://twitter.com/bellacaledonia/status/831136572040962049
Legal tender is a bank of England £5, £10 & £20 note, but not a £50 note from memory.
https://order-order.com/2017/02/13/paul-mason-ukip-voters-are-bike-nicking-toe-rags/
"most of the UKIP people are either people who haven’t voted or have flipped in a radical way from Labour. They are toe-rags, basically. They are the bloke who nicks your bike"
“No, seriously, that’s who it is, it’s the bloke who does all the anti-social things.“
As I have said before I grew up on a council estate, was lucky enough to go to a Grammar school and worked long hours and put in time on top of that studying in the evenings.
It paid off for me, but Labour gives every impression of hating people like me.
Gareth Snell
When I see the word 'entrepreneur' describing a yuppie, I can't help but think, 'rancid twat-bag'.... #apprentice
Lab 34 UKIP 22 LD 22 Con 12 Others 10
@gareth_snell
When I see the word 'entrepreneur' describing a yuppie, I can't help but think, 'rancid twat-bag'.... #apprentice
Nice pro-business labour there....
Doubt any of those tweets Guido is putting about today will cause him much of an issue.
So what is your answer, to my question?
Yuppie entrepeneur - drug dealer in cocaine and heroin
The UK government should this time put a robust case to the Electoral Commission that the question should be put in terms of Scotland leaving the UK.
In any case the UK might be a tiny bit resistant to the SNP being allowed to roll the dice again and again in short succession, EU style, until they get the answer they want.
Hoping the Kingdom Asunder paperback will be available within a week or so (on Amazon, it will be available more widely but that takes a little longer).
Some country will inevitably impose no robot tax and undercut everyone else.
It's called "capitalism" - and it works like that..
Snell is almost exactly how I imagine a certain PBer to look actually!
The GOP did comparatively poorly in North Carolina, under performing the average swing by 1.6% to 1.8% nationally (And particularly compared to other swing states) and also lost the governor race there.
Ted Cruz also got bogged down in the bathroom issue which cost his campaign I think.
That was the state and politician who brought up the bathroom issue the most iirc.
Trump, sensibly, largely avoided it.
These are not times for reason; hyperbole is the new national mood and under-reaction an admission of apathy. Theresa May falls foul of a commentariat that demands blood, sweat and especially tears, preferably accompanied by a Twitter hashtag and celebrity retweets. The Prime Minister is rebuked for not scolding the American president over an obnoxious policy. On Brexit she is accused of dithering for failing to stick her negotiating strategy up on Facebook and branded callous for using EU nationals as a “bargaining chip”. (No opprobrium attaches to European leaders for doing the same with Brits.)
But Scots who oppose the break-up of the United Kingdom have no greater friend than Mrs May’s stout sense of proportion. She is no poll-frit PR smoothie in terror of the next focus group. She is not, and no despatch box mimicry will make her, Margaret Thatcher. To the extent this vicar’s daughter hews to any philosophy, it is the Anglican injunction that we be “quietly governed”.
https://stephendaisley.com/2017/02/13/sorry-first-minister-you-dont-hold-all-the-cards-on-indyref2/
Jeremy Corbyn on his way to Stoke apparently - time to send in the big guns
One was the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, the head of the government that would enact whatever happened after the referendum, the other was a non-longer existing campaign group with no responsibility whatsoever.
But you knew that.
(Not to mention that you have no evidence whatsoever that the aspirational 350m ("Let us") won't happen, and wont know for a couple of years.)
How is that £350m a week for the NHS working out?
They are now repealling the legislation because of the financial impact it has had and the threat of major sporting events being cancelled up to 2022 - another $600m on top of the costs so far.
The bathroom issue was pure dog-whistle to evangelicals promising them the right to discriminate on a religious basis. Trans people were simply the current target since the US Supreme Court took gay people out of the firing line.
Laws already exist to prevent inappropriate behaviour in bathrooms and I am sure Google will turn up plenty of examples.
The other was the official official official Leave group.
Got to repeat it for you because you seem to have a block about it.
"Mr Carswell asked him: “If the British people vote to leave the EU, will the Prime Minister remain in office to implement their decision?”
Mr Cameron replied simply: “Yes.” "
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/660826/David-Cameron-promises-to-remain-Prime-Minister-after-EU-referendum
Greece was caused by a corrupt and lying Government which borrowed too much and lied and lied.. and has so pissed off its creditors they will not forgive its debt (which they should do as it will nver be repaid)