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  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Premium bond prizes cut, although it is not really clear that the claimed fall in market rates (it was already 1.5% pa) has actually taken place. If I were Ed Miliband's chief PMQs SpAd, I'd be trying to spin it as an attack on unsophisticated investors while leaving the posh sorts unscathed.

    Prince Ernie?
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    @david_herdson said:
    » show previous quotes
    Just to say, in the piece I wrote a month ago, I tipped George at 12/1, Edward at 40/1 and Alexander and Henry at 50s.

    I appreciate it's not quite Mike's Obamabet but I'm still fairly happy with those.

    --

    Yes, thanks David - You're a decent tipster & I confess I looked up your post this very morning!

    Talking of Mike's Obama bet, is Morus still posting on here?
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited July 2013
    Marf on form!

    BTW, should I lay the draw as usual?
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Belated congratulations to whoever wanted to know how much of their bank they should invest on the child being a boy.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,850
    On Twitter Lee McKenzie has retweeted a claim that 2014 will see an Austrian GP. That would be a significant surprise. Not only is Austria unexpected, we're already having New York and Russia joining the calendar.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited July 2013
    Unite are peeved.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23416896
    The Unite trade union has dismissed a poll suggesting only 12% of its members would personally choose to join the Labour Party as "pretty wanting".

    Just under a quarter of those questioned in an online survey for former Tory treasurer Lord Ashcroft said they would vote Conservative.

    And 86% of respondents supported the government's benefit cap - a policy opposed by Unite and Labour.

    Three quarters did not recognise Unite general secretary Len McCluskey.

    Shown a photograph, some people mistook him for former Manchester Unite manager Sir Alex Ferguson, ex-Conservative cabinet minister David Mellor or Labour leader Ed Miliband....

    A panel of 15,970 adults were asked if they were members of a union and, if so, which one. Interviews were conducted online with 712 who said they were Unite members between 10 and 17 July. Unite has 1.5 million members.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    If Kate and William had any nous, they'd be laying all manner of names on Betfair and choosing something unexpected.

    They could choose Francis, and push Ian Paisley Senior over the edge.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    Good one Marf.

    Formalhaut McGillicutty Battenburg Windsor

    And if he's noisy, give him gin.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Wouldn't 'James' be a non runner considering the rumours about Harry's mothers affair and who he looks like?
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    @mikesmithson

    Please can you confirm the paypal donation link on this page is still valid?

    http://www7.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2011/05/23/marf-on-super-injunction-monday/

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  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,415

    I think that the most likely forenames are Theodoric, Wiglaf, or Mohammed
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Plato said:

    Unite are peeved.

    Three quarters did not recognise Unite general secretary Len McCluskey.

    So, reading between the lines, no-one recognises the bloke the right-wing press wants to demonize?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,850
    Theodoric? Too modern. Theodosius would be better.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Theodoric? Too modern. Theodosius would be better.

    Too Roman Catholic?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,441

    Plato said:

    Unite are peeved.

    Three quarters did not recognise Unite general secretary Len McCluskey.

    So, reading between the lines, no-one recognises the bloke the right-wing press wants to demonize?
    Even fewer have heard of let alone recognise Lynton, so who's dafter ?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,397
    Does nobody think Prince Peter has a certain charm?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Plato said:

    Unite are peeved.

    Three quarters did not recognise Unite general secretary Len McCluskey.

    So, reading between the lines, no-one recognises the bloke the right-wing press wants to demonize?
    Even fewer have heard of let alone recognise Lynton, so who's dafter ?

    '...who's dafter?'

    Anyone on here who thinks the petty nit picking tribal micro arguments they engage in are any thing more than hot air?
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Does nobody think Prince Peter has a certain charm?

    No.

    It's why the Princess Royal didn't want her son Peter to have a title !!

    Smiles ....

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Does nobody think Prince Peter has a certain charm?

    I do!
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    @Pong

    The PayPal link is still valid
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    Apparently HMQ vetoed Theodore for Edward's son so any other version of Theo is most unlikely.

    I do hope for either Philip or Francis. But it'll be some boringly obvious Royal name, probably.....
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,545
    edited July 2013

    On Twitter Lee McKenzie has retweeted a claim that 2014 will see an Austrian GP. That would be a significant surprise. Not only is Austria unexpected, we're already having New York and Russia joining the calendar.

    My sources have said nothing. Everything new, Russia perhaps excepted, is outside Europe. Thailand seems to be moving back. 2015 at the very earliest.

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,415
    antifrank said:

    If Kate and William had any nous, they'd be laying all manner of names on Betfair and choosing something unexpected.

    They could choose Francis, and push Ian Paisley Senior over the edge.

    Francis Ignatius Bernard Patrick Windsor
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,712
    Let's hope the royal baby doesn't get the same welcome Prince Charles did in 1948.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,545
    antifrank said:

    If Kate and William had any nous, they'd be laying all manner of names on Betfair and choosing something unexpected.

    They could choose Francis, and push Ian Paisley Senior over the edge.

    I think it might be worth, if in the area, wandering about a few Anglesey betting shops and see what are their shorter prices are on!

  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    Geronimo Ludolph Alexander Daniel
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    If this is Papisse Cisse then his principled stance may be coming undone at the seams...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2374878/Papiss-Cisse-allegedly-gambles-casino-despite-Newcastle-Wonga-row.html
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,397
    JackW said:

    Does nobody think Prince Peter has a certain charm?

    No.

    It's why the Princess Royal didn't want her son Peter to have a title !!

    Smiles ....



    Hmph.

    Well you can certainly get long odds against Prince Jack. [Exits huffily.]
  • FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420
    As HRH is gonna' be head of the CofE what better than Martin Luther? Just imagine: Martin Luther, King of England...
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Thanks Mike

    FPT @isam - please donate your stake to the site via the button on this page.

    http://www7.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2011/05/23/marf-on-super-injunction-monday/

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  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    edited July 2013
    Here we go then .... Royal quiz IV .....

    We've heard over the last few days that Baby Cambridge emulates HH Prince Edward in 1894 as the third generation born direct line of a serving monarch, Then it was :

    HH Prince Edward (later Edward VIII) son of the Duke of York (later George V) son of the Prince of Wales (later Edward VII) son of Queen Victoria.

    The related question moves along a little :

    Since AD1000 what was the first year in the timeline when we had a sovereign with a least 4 following monarchs living ?
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    Does nobody think Prince Peter has a certain charm?

    No.

    It's why the Princess Royal didn't want her son Peter to have a title !!

    Smiles ....



    Hmph.

    Well you can certainly get long odds against Prince Jack. [Exits huffily.]
    Perhaps, but then HRH Prince John of Cambridge known as Jack just as HRH Prince Henry of Wales known as Harry.

    Smiles ....

  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @isam

    'If this is Papisse Cisse then his principled stance may be coming undone at the seams...'

    He was also quite happy to wear the Virgin money shirt and I wasn't aware that Virgin had given up charging interest on loans.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Every year between 1537 and 1547 (Edward VI, Lady Jane Grey, Mary and Elizabeth).

    1470 (Edward IV, Edward V, Richard III, Henry VII).
  • The names will be traditional English names still in circulation, nothing too foreign or antiquated, so no Boris or Cuthbert, but that still leaves a lot of scope. Besides the obvious royal names, there are plenty of qualifying names which have never been used by a reigning British king: Anthony, Jack, Michael, Paul, Peter, Samuel, Thomas ...

    Some are more likely than others, of course, but the pool of plausible names is still large.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    tim said:

    The Madness Of Boy George

    However, Graeme Leach, Chief Economist at the Institute of Directors, has attacked the scheme and said it will “drive up prices”.

    “The housing market needs help to supply, not help to buy and the extension of this scheme is very dangerous,” he said. “Government guarantees will not increase the supply of homes, but they will drive up prices at a time when it seems likely that house prices are already over-valued.
    “When the scheme is withdrawn any rise in prices that has taken place will be undermined, with potentially disastrous results. There is a real risk that the housing market will become dependent on the underwriting by government, making it very difficult politically to shut the scheme down.”
    Mr Leach added: “This should be of great concern. The world must have gone mad for us to now be discussing endless taxpayer guarantees for mortgages.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10197095/George-Osbornes-Help-to-Buy-is-very-dangerous-expert-warns.html

    Indeed: as I said several threads back, inflation in house prices is a bad not a good thing. Far better to have stable prices with any increase in value coming from real improvements to the property, good maintenance etc rather than inflation together with a supply of good quality property for purchase or long-term rent.

    I don't think any party will do anything about this. All of them want to maintain the illusion that rising house prices makes people richer and they all want to tax this illusory wealth.

  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    antifrank said:

    Every year between 1537 and 1547 (Edward VI, Lady Jane Grey, Mary and Elizabeth).

    1470 (Edward IV, Edward V, Richard III, Henry VII).

    The first year of the timeline will suffice. I'll edit accordingly.

    1537 - Henry VIII - Edward VI , Jane Grey, Mary, Philip and Elizabeth

    1470 - Correct.


  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Every year from 1665 to 1685 (James II, William & Mary, Anne and George I)
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I like this quiz - 1895-1901 (Edward VII, George V, Edward VIII, George VI).
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    “Francis Ignatius Windsor”

    Good Lord, a tad ‘ecclesiastical’ for my taste – perhaps for the second son , which in days gone by I believe, often took Holy Orders.

    I’d be very surprised if it was anything other than ‘boring and traditional’ – not had an ‘Albert’ in quite a while – but ‘Snoop doggy dog’ is a non starter imho..!

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Pong said:

    Thanks Mike

    FPT @isam - please donate your stake to the site via the button on this page.

    http://www7.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2011/05/23/marf-on-super-injunction-monday/

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    Have done so

    Thanks for accommodating my bets
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    isam said:

    Wouldn't 'James' be a non runner considering the rumours about Harry's mothers affair and who he looks like?

    I thought that the Royals had tended to avoid James since the last King of England to bear that name was deposed.

    I've found it interesting that people are mentioning Alexander - perhaps going for a name with Scottish pedigree will be a nod towards hoping that Scotland remains in the Union?

    Looking at popular baby names I see that - James and Alexander apart - none of the other Scottish monarch names, such as Malcolm, Donald and Douglas, figure in recent years.

    One old name with a good pedigree that has made a resurgence is Arthur, but I was hoping that if I ever had a son that I could name him after my Grandad without sharing the name with a future monarch.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    antifrank said:

    Every year from 1665 to 1685 (James II, William & Mary, Anne and George I)

    1665 Correct .. Charles II and William III, Mary II, James II, Anne and George I

    Not fully correct to 1685.

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I seem to be playing by myself:

    1022 to 1035 - Harald Harefoot, Harthacnut, Edward the Confessor, Harold Godwinson (and from 1028, William the Conqueror)
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    antifrank said:

    I like this quiz - 1895-1901 (Edward VII, George V, Edward VIII, George VI).

    !895 Correct. Queen Victoria and the above.

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,441
    France seems to be in the middle of culture wars atm. riots at the weekend on the burqa and now a local mayor says Hitler didn't kill enough travellers.

    http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/2013/07/23/01002-20130723ARTFIG00273-hitler-et-les-gens-du-voyage-les-politiques-condamnent-unanimement-le-maire-de-cholet.php
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,543
    Sheesh, 100 posts on what someone will be called! Is there no escape?
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    antifrank said:

    I seem to be playing by myself:

    1022 to 1035 - Harald Harefoot, Harthacnut, Edward the Confessor, Harold Godwinson (and from 1028, William the Conqueror)

    Cnut 1022 and Cnut 1028 plus the above.

    Just give the first date of the timeline @antifrank

    Well done so far.

  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Sheesh, 100 posts on what someone will be called! Is there no escape?

    This someone calls you a miserable sod.

    Just enjoy. Normal service will be resumed shortly.

  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,763
    JackW said:

    antifrank said:

    Every year from 1665 to 1685 (James II, William & Mary, Anne and George I)

    1665 Correct .. Charles II and William III, Mary II, James II, Anne and George I

    Not fully correct to 1685.

    1683-5: During Charles II's reign: James II/VII, Anne, William II/III, Mary II, George I & George II. Also Richard Cromwell was still kicking around as an English ex-head of state
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Off topic (and off JackW's quiz), I'm currently looking through a Government consultation. This has been provided in two formats, one of which is billed as "easy read". Naturally enough I started with it:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/223916/Easy_read_funding_reform_consulation.pdf

    I hadn't seen a consultation in this format before. I'm torn between thinking that it's a good idea to reach out beyond the commentariat to the people who are actually affected by the changes and thinking that the Government never pays any blind notice to consultation responses anyway so what's the point.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    antifrank said:

    Every year from 1665 to 1685 (James II, William & Mary, Anne and George I)

    1665 Correct .. Charles II and William III, Mary II, James II, Anne and George I

    Not fully correct to 1685.

    1683-5: During Charles II's reign: James II/VII, Anne, William II/III, Mary II, George I & George II. Also Richard Cromwell was still kicking around as an English ex-head of state
    Spot on Herders.

    1683 added George II to the previous list. Monarch +6 is the largest number in British history.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Ukipper on the Unite poll

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/michaelheaver/100227716/unites-workers-have-had-enough-of-funding-the-underclass/

    "There are some interesting findings in Lord Ashcroft's poll of Unite members. For instance, only seven per cent plan to vote for the do-gooder Liberal Democrats "

    "71 per cent of them don't think councils should have to provide sites for travellers and 59 per cent don't want to see the top rate of tax raised to 75p. Socialism isn't very popular amongst Britain's working class."

    "Sadly, 49 per cent of Unite members still say they'll vote Labour, but that will largely be either out of public-sector self-interest or tribal voting handed down from generation to generation fuelled by a hatred of the Tories.

    It isn't, tellingly, because they actually agree with the party's social or economic stances. In the long term, Labour's traditional base will increasingly migrate away from it as Labour stands up for welfare and not the working man."
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    WRT Parisien riots, they were well out into the suburbs. Trappes, which (imagining Paris as a clock face) if I'm at half past 6 on the Saclay Plateau, that's at about half past 8 and beyond Versailles.

    If memory serves, you notice it when you go through it on the train, its a bit out in the middle of nowhere and has the feel of a planned 'new town' type suburb. FWIW, the most I noticed this weekend was the convoy of police heading in that direction on the Saturday night.

    I agree on the general point - look at the sizes of the protests both for and against gay marriage and the fate of Clement Meric for a different angle.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Really, tim, linking to Guido?!
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Apologies to leave the quiz for an hour or so but I have to rush out and buy Nick Palmer some lemons to suck on !!
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @JackW

    Couldnt you just adapt the Guardian republican app for pbc?!
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Ukipper on the Unite poll

    I tried to find out exactly which groups of workers Unite represents from their website, to no avail.

    I did find out they also encourage 'those not in work' to join. For those at the top of labour there is little difference between the low paid and those not in work.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,304
    My enthusiasm for the Spanish economy is now being matched by UBS. This morning they published a big report, and these were the first bullet points:

    "Spain had 4 big problems…3 are sorted…there is 1 left
    Despite mixed headlines about Spain, investors with a long-term view should not
    ignore the country. Spain has sorted a numbers of key imbalances: 1) Current account
    has moved from a massive deficit to a surplus: Spain is now competitive. 2) Banks
    funding is much improved and sector is fairly capitalised. 3) Real estate excess has
    been largely cleaned-up. A remaining problem is a high budget deficit (c6%).

    Positively surprised by recent data: risk on GDP forecasts to the upside
    We have been positively surprised by a few key data points: 1) Employment creation in
    May and June was best data for 7y. 2) Car sales stabilised in June (-0.7% vs. -5%
    YTD). 3) Tourist inflows are at historical highs (+7% y/y). 4) Retail sales for a few
    large retailers were flat in June (vs. -6% YTD). 5) Truck road traffic is stabilising,
    usually a leading indicator. 6) PMI’s at c50’s are now above Germany."
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Plato said:
    The Unite trade union has dismissed a poll suggesting only 12% of its members would personally choose to join the Labour Party as "pretty wanting".

    Haven't they got the memo from tim, Neil & OGH?

    It's a Victory for Ed!

    I'd also have thought Ed would be thrilled by the overwhelming support for nationalisation of utilities & transport! There's no pleasing some people!
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    taffys said:


    I tried to find out exactly which groups of workers Unite represents from their website, to no avail.

    It's not that hard to find a list of sectors they are involved in:

    http://www.unitetheunion.org/how-we-help/list-of-sectors/

    As you would expect from the biggest trade union in the country it has its fingers in most pies.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,314
    I really like the idea of Philip for the baby's name after his great grandfather, and it would be lovely to see a King Philip after the Queen failed to get the family surname changed in recognition of his family connection.
    Cyclefree said:

    Apparently HMQ vetoed Theodore for Edward's son so any other version of Theo is most unlikely.

    I do hope for either Philip or Francis. But it'll be some boringly obvious Royal name, probably.....

  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''As you would expect from the biggest trade union in the country it has its fingers in most pies. ''

    Thanks Neil. I've always thought of them as a public sector union, but from the link you post that appears very much not to be the case.

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    FPT:
    "In other extraordinary news, peope who work in the private sector can and do vote Labour.

    Also interesting to see how many UNITE members have opted out of paying the political levy. I thought no-one did because of the cruel intimidaitn that they might suffer. "

    @Southam.

    I have only worked in the private sector all my working life and just to make PBTories feel better I have never taken a penny in benefits except for my son's child benefit which is gone now. Fortunately, I have never had the need to.

    But I am a Labour supporter. Some PBTories think a Unite member is some kind of Martian !

  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,763
    Another one from the JackW stable of royal questions:

    The birth of William and Kate's son means that in the normal course of events, the crown will pass to three successive eldest sons. Has this ever happened before? If so, when; if not, what is / are the closest instances?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Plato said:
    The Unite trade union has dismissed a poll suggesting only 12% of its members would personally choose to join the Labour Party as "pretty wanting".
    Haven't they got the memo from tim, Neil & OGH?

    It's a Victory for Ed!

    I'd also have thought Ed would be thrilled by the overwhelming support for nationalisation of utilities & transport! There's no pleasing some people!


    If 12% of Unite members joined Labour, it would immediately more than double the Labour Party membership surely. Probably, even more. More the better !!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Neil said:

    Really, tim, linking to Guido?!

    How long before we get a link to this story?

    @GuidoFawkes
    Lynton Crosby: ‘No Discussion, Conversation or Lobbying’: http://bit.ly/139X17b

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    taffys said:

    I've always thought of them as a public sector union, but from the link you post that appears very much not to be the case.

    Definitely a largely private sector trade union (though with significant numbers in the public sector). It's a merger of the T&G and Amicus with Amicus itself largely being the result of mergers between MSF, AEEU, GPMU and UNIFI. JohnO's older than me so he can go back to earlier incarnations of the predecessor unions ;)
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    surbiton said:

    Plato said:
    The Unite trade union has dismissed a poll suggesting only 12% of its members would personally choose to join the Labour Party as "pretty wanting".
    Haven't they got the memo from tim, Neil & OGH?

    It's a Victory for Ed!

    I'd also have thought Ed would be thrilled by the overwhelming support for nationalisation of utilities & transport! There's no pleasing some people!
    If 12% of Unite members joined Labour, it would immediately more than double the Labour Party membership surely. Probably, even more. More the better !!
    Undoubtedly - the only question is why fearless Ed aims to resolve this within a year of the GE - any ideas?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,441
    Neil said:

    taffys said:

    I've always thought of them as a public sector union, but from the link you post that appears very much not to be the case.

    Definitely a largely private sector trade union (though with significant numbers in the public sector). It's a merger of the T&G and Amicus with Amicus itself largely being the result of mergers between MSF, AEEU, GPMU and UNIFI. JohnO's older than me so he can go back to earlier incarnations of the predecessor unions ;)
    scabs and quislings.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Definitely a largely private sector trade union (though with significant numbers in the public sector).

    I now see Len in an even worse light than before, if that were possible.

    How can Len be so hostile to the private sector, when the jobs of so many of his members depend on its health?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    taffys said:


    How can Len be so hostile to the private sector, when the jobs of so many of his members depend on its health?

    What on earth makes you think he is hostile to the private sector?

  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,763

    Another one from the JackW stable of royal questions:

    The birth of William and Kate's son means that in the normal course of events, the crown will pass to three successive eldest sons. Has this ever happened before? If so, when; if not, what is / are the closest instances?

    I should clarify: I mean instances where, as now, it would be anticipated that a monarch would pass (or has passed) the crown to his or her eldest son, followed by the son's eldest son, followed by the grandson's eldest son.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,314
    Just seen a bit on the news about just how much money has been bet on the Royal baby's name, especially in the last few days. So no surprise that the topic is generating so much talk on a betting site. And I must admit I loved going through baby name books while pregnant and choosing the names. :)

    Sheesh, 100 posts on what someone will be called! Is there no escape?

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I suspect this won't deflect those who refuse to accept that Crosby didn't and this will carry on ad nauseum for another few months.

    Lynton Crosby has just put out this statement:

    “The Prime Minister has repeatedly and clearly said that I have never lobbied him on anything, including on the issue of tobacco or plain packaging of cigarettes. What the PM said should be enough for any ordinary person but to avoid any doubt or speculation let me be clear. At no time have I had any conversation or discussion with or lobbied the Prime Minister, or indeed the Health Secretary or the health minister, on plain packaging or tobacco issues. Indeed, any claim that I have sought to improperly use my position as part-time campaign adviser to the Conservative Party is simply false.”
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Neil said:

    taffys said:


    How can Len be so hostile to the private sector, when the jobs of so many of his members depend on its health?

    What on earth makes you think he is hostile to the private sector?
    Nationalisation of utilities, transport and banks?

    In fairness, its his most popular policy - enjoying almost the same levels of support as the Benefit cap he opposes.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,712
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,056
    Off topic.
    I recently had my email account hacked. Many of my friends got a message from me saying I had been mugged in Manila. I have been to many places but not there - and as far as I know all my friends were not taken in. After some days BT managed to work out what had happened and restored my service. I am sure this happens all the time. Anyone else had a similar experience?
    By the way I'm rooting for Richard IV.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,441
    tim said:

    surbiton said:

    FPT:
    "In other extraordinary news, peope who work in the private sector can and do vote Labour.

    Also interesting to see how many UNITE members have opted out of paying the political levy. I thought no-one did because of the cruel intimidaitn that they might suffer. "

    @Southam.

    I have only worked in the private sector all my working life and just to make PBTories feel better I have never taken a penny in benefits except for my son's child benefit which is gone now. Fortunately, I have never had the need to.

    But I am a Labour supporter. Some PBTories think a Unite member is some kind of Martian !

    The PB Tories, many of whom have been posting here for years seem simply unable to grasp anything about trades unions, their membership, who their members vote for, which affiliate to the Labour Party, how much they give to a political fund and how much of that fund goes to Labour

    This cannot simply be a reflection of the PB Tory demographic, if a class of nine year olds had been reading a site for five years and didnt understand things that had been explained to them so many times but by 14 could simply not grasp you'd be giving up on their ability to learn.
    which Trade union are\were you a member of tim ? ( NUS aside )

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @slade

    It's very common. I get that kind of email all the time, it's more common than the infamous Nigerian variants now. It's difficult to imagine anyone falling for it but I suppose enough people do to make it worth their while to carry on doing it.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited July 2013
    tim said:

    surbiton said:

    FPT:
    "In other extraordinary news, peope who work in the private sector can and do vote Labour.

    Also interesting to see how many UNITE members have opted out of paying the political levy. I thought no-one did because of the cruel intimidaitn that they might suffer. "

    @Southam.

    I have only worked in the private sector all my working life and just to make PBTories feel better I have never taken a penny in benefits except for my son's child benefit which is gone now. Fortunately, I have never had the need to.

    But I am a Labour supporter. Some PBTories think a Unite member is some kind of Martian !

    The PB Tories, many of whom have been posting here for years seem simply unable to grasp anything about trades unions, their membership, who their members vote for, which affiliate to the Labour Party, how much they give to a political fund and how much of that fund goes to Labour

    This cannot simply be a reflection of the PB Tory demographic, if a class of nine year olds had been reading a site for five years and didnt understand things that had been explained to them so many times but by 14 could simply not grasp you'd be giving up on their ability to learn.

    Could you clarify the relationship between Labour/New Labour and the Unions for the permanent record ?

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    I for one cannot believe Mr Crosby in his denials as he is clearly a Tory.

    Until he provides a full confession - on the rack or with the help of waterboarding - this matter cannot be laid to rest.
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    Tough luck Daily Mail

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/jul/23/press-regulation-government-press-industry
    The public now supports the royal charter on press regulation endorsed by parliament ahead of the alternative drawn up by the press industry by a factor of four to one, according to a new YouGov poll conducted for the Media Standards Trust.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    There is apparently a new Yougov Welsh VI poll out for Westminster , Assembly and Assembly Regional . The results are mostly within M of E of the last poll for Wales in February .

    Westminster
    Lab 48 Con 23 LD 8 Plaid 9 UKIP 8 Others 4
    Assembly
    Lab 46 Con 19 LD 8 Plaid 17 UKIP 6 Others 3
    Assy Regional
    Lab 25 Con 12 LD 9 Plaid 23 UKIP 16 Others 14
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    TGOHF said:

    I for one cannot believe Mr Crosby in his denials as he is clearly a Tory.

    Until he provides a full confession - on the rack or with the help of waterboarding - this matter cannot be laid to rest.

    Maybe he should be burned, like a plain-packaged fag. If he is innocent, he will survive, right?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited July 2013
    .
    Scott_P said:

    TGOHF said:

    I for one cannot believe Mr Crosby in his denials as he is clearly a Tory.

    Until he provides a full confession - on the rack or with the help of waterboarding - this matter cannot be laid to rest.

    Maybe he should be burned, like a plain-packaged fag. If he is innocent, he will survive, right?
    Homophobe ;^ )
  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 758
    edited July 2013
    Yesterday you could get 200/1 on "Jimmy," but they've shut that down.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    @David Herdson John, Henry III, Edward I are three oldest sons in a row. John's father was Henry II, but John was not the oldest son.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited July 2013
    rcs1000 said:

    My enthusiasm for the Spanish economy is now being matched by UBS. This morning they published a big report, and these were the first bullet points: ...

    I feel as if I am jumping on every pro-Spanish post you make, Robert, but my aim is not so much to disagree with your optimism but to balance it with a cautionary and contrary note.

    Herewith an extract from a recent Bloomberg article:

    Data this week will show how viable Spain’s recovery hope is, as the Bank of Spain releases a report predicted by economists to estimate that the economy contracted for an eighth quarter during the three months through June. Labor market numbers will also show whether unemployment rose to a record in that period.

    “Jobless numbers adjusted for the seasonal boost due to tourism show unemployment is still climbing,” said James Howat, an economist at Capital Economics Ltd. in London. “Fast enough economic growth to generate net increases in employment remains a distant prospect.”

    Economists forecast the country’s jobless rate to rise to 27.2 percent in the second quarter from 27.16 percent in the previous three months, according to the median of seven estimates in a Bloomberg News survey. The release is due July 25. The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development now predicts unemployment to climb to around 28 percent in Spain next year.


    Full article: http://bloom.bg/15A3Q3W

    Spain is the most immediate test for the Eurozone. If it pulls out of recession ahead of the rest of the periphery a catastrophic crisis may be averted.

    But Spain appears to be where the UK was last year: the meniscus in the glass is at half-way point and no one really knows whether it is filling or emptying.

    [P.S. Your new character limit on reply posts has required extensive cuts to your original post!]
  • Blofelds_CatBlofelds_Cat Posts: 154

    Plato said:

    Unite are peeved.

    Three quarters did not recognise Unite general secretary Len McCluskey.

    So, reading between the lines, no-one recognises the bloke the right-wing press wants to demonize?
    I suspect that "no-one" will still be more than recognise the bloke that the Left-Wing press want to demonize. I'm a political anorak and I couldn't pick L Crosby out of an identity parade.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited July 2013
    Member of AEU..NUM..ACTT..BECTU. Was Shop Steward and national negotiating officer for two of them, therefore it figures that I know absolutely nothing about the inner workings of Trade Unions,,what a d*rk
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,763
    antifrank said:

    @David Herdson John, Henry III, Edward I are three oldest sons in a row. John's father was Henry II, but John was not the oldest son.

    John was not an eldest son (IIRC, he was about the fifth of Henry II's, though the second to survive him after Richard I), so that was only a run of two. You are quite close to an instance though.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    After Crosby's denial a Labour source told the BBC: "This still leaves more questions than answers.

    1. Why is that smelly mr Crosby such a clever cloggs?

    2. Why are the conservatives using the same low, aggressive politics as us?

    3. Why is it all so unfair?

    4. Why aren't we further ahead in the polls?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Scott_P said:

    TGOHF said:

    I for one cannot believe Mr Crosby in his denials as he is clearly a Tory.

    Until he provides a full confession - on the rack or with the help of waterboarding - this matter cannot be laid to rest.

    Maybe he should be burned, like a plain-packaged fag. If he is innocent, he will survive, right?
    Why burn him only at one end ?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    taffys said:

    After Crosby's denial a Labour source told the BBC: "This still leaves more questions than answers.

    1. Why is that smelly mr Crosby such a clever cloggs?

    2. Why are the conservatives using the same low, aggressive politics as us?

    3. Why is it all so unfair?

    4. Why aren't we further ahead in the polls?

    LOL

    It's a moments like this that I almost yearn for a story about ambient temperature savoury goods to break - this is so pointless as it's got nothing to it and it's sustained by the Lobby who have nothing better to do.

    It shifts no votes so doesn't bother me - but its boring a hell. If Labour had anything of value to say, they'd be talking that up instead - but they don't - so we have to endure this instead.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    'George' just matched at 9/2
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    There is apparently a new Yougov Welsh VI poll out for Westminster , Assembly and Assembly Regional . The results are mostly within M of E of the last poll for Wales in February .

    Westminster
    Lab 48 Con 23 LD 8 Plaid 9 UKIP 8 Others 4
    Assembly
    Lab 46 Con 19 LD 8 Plaid 17 UKIP 6 Others 3
    Assy Regional
    Lab 25 Con 12 LD 9 Plaid 23 UKIP 16 Others 14

    I cannot understand why the Assembly poll is so markedly different from the Assembly Regional. Is this because of the silent kipper ?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Member of AEU..NUM..ACTT..BECTU. Was Shop Steward and national negotiating officer for two of them, therefore it figures that I know absolutely nothing about the inner workings of Trade Unions,,what a d*rk

    I have probably been a member of more trade unions than some of the more more prolific posters here
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    taffys said:


    3. Why is it all so unfair?

    (c) Andy Burnham
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Scott_P said:

    Member of AEU..NUM..ACTT..BECTU. Was Shop Steward and national negotiating officer for two of them, therefore it figures that I know absolutely nothing about the inner workings of Trade Unions,,what a d*rk

    I have probably been a member of more trade unions than some of the more more prolific posters here
    I've been with CWU, STE and Unison. I find it interesting how few PBers are sharing on this subject - I assume they've never been in one as its hardly something to be reticent about.
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