Fox intv with Milo The left is profoundly antithetical to free speech these days, does not want to hear alternative points of view. - Milo Yiannopoulos #Tucker https://t.co/LwAiglBGE0
Dave Rubin Don't like Milo? Don't go to his event and use your free speech to counter his free speech. Look I solved the issue in a tweet.
Is this piece of trash still around?
Big difference between free speech and hate speech...
Hate Speech is simply speech one strongly dislikes.
And using the term 'hate speech' isn't an argument either it's a political slogan IMHO.
Fox intv with Milo The left is profoundly antithetical to free speech these days, does not want to hear alternative points of view. - Milo Yiannopoulos #Tucker https://t.co/LwAiglBGE0
Dave Rubin Don't like Milo? Don't go to his event and use your free speech to counter his free speech. Look I solved the issue in a tweet.
Is this piece of trash still around?
Big difference between free speech and hate speech...
Hate Speech is simply speech one strongly dislikes.
Only if fake news is news one strongly dislikes ...
Mr. Observer, given the sabre-rattling at China, annoying the Japanese and Australians is an interesting (by which I mean intensely stupid) strategy.
That thing that puzzles me, genuinely, and this isn't especially knocking people here, is this.
Trump might be a bit of a fruitcake, but he isn't stupid, at the very least he has a natural talent for understanding and wielding power, and a fairly wide streak of natural talent as a political strategist. He has surrounded himself with people who also are perhaps more fruitcake-y than we would prefer, but again with minds varying from the "quite bright" to "approaching brilliant". Bannon has some contemptible views, but started and runs a hugely successful international business. Jared Kushner, Pence, Priebus are all dangerously sharp minds, the later two also very experienced political operators... so why hasn't this occurred to them ? How is it that the armchair politicians here can see all these elephant traps and these (mostly) very able men can't ?
The damage that Trump is going to do to the US's standing around the world is considerable.
If Team Trump see China as a threat, you'd think keeping Australia onside would be a good idea.....
Yep - and he has been threatening the Japanese as well. It's really not smart. Turnbull is as good as it will get for Trump in Australia. Humiliating him may well lead to a less friendly government or will force Turnbull to be less accommodating.
Unless Abbott topples Turnbull in the way Turnbull toppled him
I'm struggling to have any sympathy for Turnbull, at the end of the day this is a personality clash - Trump is Turnbull cubed, and Turnbull can't handle that.
His early election that reduced his majority to a sliver was amusing.
Obama left the Australian migrants as a UXB for Trump - Trump doesn't want them and Turnbull said he'd not keep them. Trump's said he'll honour the deal, but is well pissed off.
That seems entirely reasonable to me and just realpolitik.
I forgot to ask, can anyone give me the dates when Obama supposedly banned refugees from Iraq.
People were wanking on about it endlessly on here a couple of days ago but I can't find any record of it.
There was the period where they changed the vetting rules due to a previous cock up which caused a backlog of cases but there wasn't a blanket stop as far as I am see.
The damage that Trump is going to do to the US's standing around the world is considerable.
If Team Trump see China as a threat, you'd think keeping Australia onside would be a good idea.....
Indeed. I don't understand this strategy at all. It is just another stupid error from team Trump. I don't see how he lasts 4 years at this rate.
I'm interested to know what Trump's strategy is. We know where he says he wants to go: "Make America Great Again", amongst others. We have seen some initial short-term tactics. But what is his strategy?
I don't expect the strategy to be made public, or at least all of it. But soon we should be able to start connecting the dots to form a picture. If, that is, he has one.
The damage that Trump is going to do to the US's standing around the world is considerable.
If Team Trump see China as a threat, you'd think keeping Australia onside would be a good idea.....
Indeed. I don't understand this strategy at all. It is just another stupid error from team Trump. I don't see how he lasts 4 years at this rate.
I'm interested to know what Trump's strategy is. We know where he says he wants to go: "Make America Great Again", amongst others. We have seen some initial short-term tactics. But what is his strategy?
I don't expect the strategy to be made public, or at least all of it. But soon we should be able to start connecting the dots to form a picture. If, that is, he has one.
Christopher Snowden The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. In this instance, Autotrader's. https://t.co/NxMLZIien3
Mr. Observer, given the sabre-rattling at China, annoying the Japanese and Australians is an interesting (by which I mean intensely stupid) strategy.
Russia first!
Wondering who the history books will record as winning the cold war.
The cold war was the west versus the Communist bloc. The latter no longer exists; it is now a Russian autocrat versus the world. And thanks to Trump and the useful idiots the autocrat might win.
Mr. Indigo, could be mood-setting for the early days in office. Came in hot with executive orders, so perhaps they want to establish an early mood/brand at the same time.
However, he's in danger of willingly becoming a new Antigonus Monopthalmus. It's fine being the pre-eminent power, but that doesn't mean you're invincible, especially if everyone else unites against you.
Donald J Trump Do you believe it? The Obama Administration agreed to take thousands of illegal immigrants from Australia. Why? I will study this dumb deal!
@Laura_K_Hughes: John McDonnell appears to hint that junior frontbenchers will not be sacked for going against the three-line whip last night #r4today
@tnewtondunn: Hard to overstate how extraordinary this decision by Corbyn is - 3 line whips are now just advisory. Means Labour now in outright anarchy. twitter.com/tnewtondunn/st…
The damage that Trump is going to do to the US's standing around the world is considerable.
If Team Trump see China as a threat, you'd think keeping Australia onside would be a good idea.....
Indeed. I don't understand this strategy at all. It is just another stupid error from team Trump. I don't see how he lasts 4 years at this rate.
I'm interested to know what Trump's strategy is. We know where he says he wants to go: "Make America Great Again", amongst others. We have seen some initial short-term tactics. But what is his strategy?
I don't expect the strategy to be made public, or at least all of it. But soon we should be able to start connecting the dots to form a picture. If, that is, he has one.
Fox intv with Milo The left is profoundly antithetical to free speech these days, does not want to hear alternative points of view. - Milo Yiannopoulos #Tucker https://t.co/LwAiglBGE0
Dave Rubin Don't like Milo? Don't go to his event and use your free speech to counter his free speech. Look I solved the issue in a tweet.
Is this piece of trash still around?
Big difference between free speech and hate speech...
Hate Speech is simply speech one strongly dislikes.
Er no. There are plenty of speeches that incite violence, racism or worse that are justly described as hate speeches (I am not saying this example is one of them, I haven't heard it)
I forgot to ask, can anyone give me the dates when Obama supposedly banned refugees from Iraq.
There was no ban per se, however the US State Department in 2011 stopped processing Iraq refugee requests for six months after the FBI uncovered evidence that several dozen terrorists from Iraq had infiltrated the United States via the refugee program.
@Laura_K_Hughes: John McDonnell appears to hint that junior frontbenchers will not be sacked for going against the three-line whip last night #r4today
@tnewtondunn: Hard to overstate how extraordinary this decision by Corbyn is - 3 line whips are now just advisory. Means Labour now in outright anarchy. twitter.com/tnewtondunn/st…
Newton-Dunn wrongly implies this anarchism is a new development!
Trump's continued, and highly entertaining, volatility (or insanity, if you prefer) just underlines what an incredible job TMay did in Washington.
Most leaders can't have a ten minute phone call with the POTUS, without him threatening to invade their country and drop neutron bombs on their favourite national parks. TMay went into the crazy lion's den, got feted and cheered, did an actual live press conference without a hitch, and escaped with nothing but a mildly embarrassing shot of some hand holding.
Whatever your politics, she did very very well. She rises in my estimation daily.
'That nice Mr Chamberlain has really risen to the occasion when dealing with the Austrian bounder.'
Hate Speech is simply speech one strongly dislikes.
If you are an arsehole, malicious, nasty or downright evil, you should expect to be challenged or ideally in the case of the these ego fuelled alt-right types ignored. Sadly not everyone gets that.
@Laura_K_Hughes: John McDonnell appears to hint that junior frontbenchers will not be sacked for going against the three-line whip last night #r4today
@tnewtondunn: Hard to overstate how extraordinary this decision by Corbyn is - 3 line whips are now just advisory. Means Labour now in outright anarchy. twitter.com/tnewtondunn/st…
No different to what happened in Autumn 1971 when 69 Labour MPs - including Deputy Leader Roy Jenkins - rebelled against a three-line Whip to support the Heath Govt's application to join the EEC. No frontbencher resigned at that time.
Looks like she's turning into the grand old lady of the Labour Party rather than the young firebrand. I wonder if this will affect her outlook and policy choices.
The damage that Trump is going to do to the US's standing around the world is considerable.
If Team Trump see China as a threat, you'd think keeping Australia onside would be a good idea.....
Yep - and he has been threatening the Japanese as well. It's really not smart. Turnbull is as good as it will get for Trump in Australia. Humiliating him may well lead to a less friendly government or will force Turnbull to be less accommodating.
Unless Abbott topples Turnbull in the way Turnbull toppled him
We are about due a change in Aussie leadership. It's been at least six months now.
@Laura_K_Hughes: John McDonnell appears to hint that junior frontbenchers will not be sacked for going against the three-line whip last night #r4today
@tnewtondunn: Hard to overstate how extraordinary this decision by Corbyn is - 3 line whips are now just advisory. Means Labour now in outright anarchy. twitter.com/tnewtondunn/st…
No different to what happened in Autumn 1971 when 69 Labour MPs - including Deputy Leader Roy Jenkins - rebelled against a three-line Whip to support the Heath Govt's application to join the EEC. No frontbencher resigned at that time.
Remind me what 'gang' Roy Jenkins went on to form?
I forgot to ask, can anyone give me the dates when Obama supposedly banned refugees from Iraq.
People were wanking on about it endlessly on here a couple of days ago but I can't find any record of it.
There was the period where they changed the vetting rules due to a previous cock up which caused a backlog of cases but there wasn't a blanket stop as far as I am see.
I forgot to ask, can anyone give me the dates when Obama supposedly banned refugees from Iraq.
There was no ban per se, however the US State Department in 2011 stopped processing Iraq refugee requests for six months after the FBI uncovered evidence that several dozen terrorists from Iraq had infiltrated the United States via the refugee program.
It is also being conflated with Obama taking basically no Syrian refugees until the very last minute when it started to become a bit of an embarrassment.
I think we'll have to start realising that Trump's campaign speeches were actually policy statements and act accordingly. I think the first Sate of the Union address will be very interesting.
Absolute clanger from Fallon. However, if getting someone's name wrong is enough to tilt the vote, then Scotland would be leaving anyway.
Mr. Jonathan, I think the distaste for the term comes from the way such things might seem sensible in principle but then get broadened. It's got shades of IngSoc, as far as language development is concerned. We've seen just how widely the definition of a Nazi is being stretched, or how racist was for anyone concerned by migration or who thought maybe there was something rotten in Rotherham.
Hate Speech is simply speech one strongly dislikes.
If you are an arsehole, malicious, nasty or downright evil, you should expect to be challenged or ideally in the case of the these ego fuelled alt-right types ignored. Sadly not everyone gets that.
Precisely. But what you absolutely shouldn't be is silenced. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, better to get people's nasty views out in the open where they can be challenged, and where you can take account of their views when judging their actions, which is why no-platforming is idiotic.
"MCALLEN, Texas – EXCLUSIVE: In his first television interview as Homeland Security secretary, retired four-star Marine Gen. John F. Kelly told Fox News he wants the U.S.-Mexico border wall finished in two years – setting an ambitious schedule for the project ordered last week by President Trump.
Fox intv with Milo The left is profoundly antithetical to free speech these days, does not want to hear alternative points of view. - Milo Yiannopoulos #Tucker https://t.co/LwAiglBGE0
Dave Rubin Don't like Milo? Don't go to his event and use your free speech to counter his free speech. Look I solved the issue in a tweet.
Is this piece of trash still around?
Big difference between free speech and hate speech...
Hate Speech is simply speech one strongly dislikes.
Er no. There are plenty of speeches that incite violence, racism or worse that are justly described as hate speeches (I am not saying this example is one of them, I haven't heard it)
Indeed. I think hate speech and incitement to violence is how Abu Hamza got locked up. Presumably Sean F doesn't think he should have been let free?
Hate Speech is simply speech one strongly dislikes.
If you are an arsehole, malicious, nasty or downright evil, you should expect to be challenged or ideally in the case of the these ego fuelled alt-right types ignored. Sadly not everyone gets that.
Precisely. But what you absolutely shouldn't be is silenced. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, better to get people's nasty views out in the open where they can be challenged, and where you can take account of their views when judging their actions, which is why no-platforming is idiotic.
No one is silencing them. They can arrange their own meetings etc. No one should be forced to give them a platform or promote their views.
@Laura_K_Hughes: John McDonnell appears to hint that junior frontbenchers will not be sacked for going against the three-line whip last night #r4today
@tnewtondunn: Hard to overstate how extraordinary this decision by Corbyn is - 3 line whips are now just advisory. Means Labour now in outright anarchy. twitter.com/tnewtondunn/st…
No different to what happened in Autumn 1971 when 69 Labour MPs - including Deputy Leader Roy Jenkins - rebelled against a three-line Whip to support the Heath Govt's application to join the EEC. No frontbencher resigned at that time.
Remind me what 'gang' Roy Jenkins went on to form?
The damage that Trump is going to do to the US's standing around the world is considerable.
If Team Trump see China as a threat, you'd think keeping Australia onside would be a good idea.....
Indeed. I don't understand this strategy at all. It is just another stupid error from team Trump. I don't see how he lasts 4 years at this rate.
I'm interested to know what Trump's strategy is. We know where he says he wants to go: "Make America Great Again", amongst others. We have seen some initial short-term tactics. But what is his strategy?
I don't expect the strategy to be made public, or at least all of it. But soon we should be able to start connecting the dots to form a picture. If, that is, he has one.
"Make America Hated Again"?
"Again" might be stretching it, because never before has the US state pursued a foreign policy that seems designed to cause the rest of the world to react with such animosity towards it and in particular the man that seems to revel in the contempt of most of us. His strategy seems to me to be to stir up much of the world against the US, on the grounds that playing the strongman in a hostile world will only bolster him at home, and to hang the wider consequences.
Let's also not direct contempt beyond the US president, more of the American people having voted in support of someone else who would have pursued a very different course, even in circumstances when that someone else was herself so obviously flawed.
Hate Speech is simply speech one strongly dislikes.
If you are an arsehole, malicious, nasty or downright evil, you should expect to be challenged or ideally in the case of the these ego fuelled alt-right types ignored. Sadly not everyone gets that.
Precisely. But what you absolutely shouldn't be is silenced. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, better to get people's nasty views out in the open where they can be challenged, and where you can take account of their views when judging their actions, which is why no-platforming is idiotic.
No one is silencing them. They can arrange their own meetings etc. No one should be forced to give them a platform or promote their views.
A fine line.
"No one is silencing them.".... Isn't that precisely what happened with this demonstration?
The two important Rotherham by elections, very important for UKIP, almost as important for Labour, important for the Lib Dems, (well Brinsworth do not think they have campaigned in Dinnington), and less so for the Cons.
@Laura_K_Hughes: John McDonnell appears to hint that junior frontbenchers will not be sacked for going against the three-line whip last night #r4today
@tnewtondunn: Hard to overstate how extraordinary this decision by Corbyn is - 3 line whips are now just advisory. Means Labour now in outright anarchy. twitter.com/tnewtondunn/st…
@Laura_K_Hughes: John McDonnell appears to hint that junior frontbenchers will not be sacked for going against the three-line whip last night #r4today
@tnewtondunn: Hard to overstate how extraordinary this decision by Corbyn is - 3 line whips are now just advisory. Means Labour now in outright anarchy. twitter.com/tnewtondunn/st…
No different to what happened in Autumn 1971 when 69 Labour MPs - including Deputy Leader Roy Jenkins - rebelled against a three-line Whip to support the Heath Govt's application to join the EEC. No frontbencher resigned at that time.
Remind me what 'gang' Roy Jenkins went on to form?
John Smith and Roy Hattersley were among the 69 rebels.
Trump's continued, and highly entertaining, volatility (or insanity, if you prefer) just underlines what an incredible job TMay did in Washington.
Most leaders can't have a ten minute phone call with the POTUS, without him threatening to invade their country and drop neutron bombs on their favourite national parks. TMay went into the crazy lion's den, got feted and cheered, did an actual live press conference without a hitch, and escaped with nothing but a mildly embarrassing shot of some hand holding.
Whatever your politics, she did very very well. She rises in my estimation daily.
It's easy to get on well with Trump, just tell him he's great.
Hate Speech is simply speech one strongly dislikes.
If you are an arsehole, malicious, nasty or downright evil, you should expect to be challenged or ideally in the case of the these ego fuelled alt-right types ignored. Sadly not everyone gets that.
Precisely. But what you absolutely shouldn't be is silenced. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, better to get people's nasty views out in the open where they can be challenged, and where you can take account of their views when judging their actions, which is why no-platforming is idiotic.
No one is silencing them. They can arrange their own meetings etc. No one should be forced to give them a platform or promote their views.
A fine line.
There is no right to publication for sure. What is taking the piss though is when someone arranges their own meetings and then pressure is brought to bear on the hosts, or the venue, or the sponsors of either of the above. It is perfectly respectable to invite nasty people to account for their views and to vigorously challenge them, without people trying to shut down the meeting.
I am glad for example the Mr Corbyn has been so forthright about his views on Palestine, Irish republicanism, Israel, Islamic Terrorism and so forth, it means the voters get to consider a fuller picture of him when them put their tick in the box. For the same reason it was good to know about the nasty views of Mr Griffin and his associates.
"MCALLEN, Texas – EXCLUSIVE: In his first television interview as Homeland Security secretary, retired four-star Marine Gen. John F. Kelly told Fox News he wants the U.S.-Mexico border wall finished in two years – setting an ambitious schedule for the project ordered last week by President Trump.
That is interesting. Are there any former property developers in the new American administration who might know how long major construction projects normally take, including buying any privately held land? In other words, is Kelly setting up Trump to fail ?
Le Pen (FN-ENF): 24% ↓ Fillon (LR-EPP): 21% ↑ Macron (EM-NI) 20% Hamon (PS-S&D) 18% ↑ Mélenchon (FG-LEFT): 9% ↓
Fillon holds off his challengers. Quite extraordinary to think he is now 6 or 7/1. I think there's value there, although it represents the chance of him fall out the race.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel visits Turkey on Thursday for the first time since July's failed coup, seeking to bolster a relationship frayed by differences over issues from the fight against terrorism to free speech
Hate Speech is simply speech one strongly dislikes.
If you are an arsehole, malicious, nasty or downright evil, you should expect to be challenged or ideally in the case of the these ego fuelled alt-right types ignored. Sadly not everyone gets that.
Precisely. But what you absolutely shouldn't be is silenced. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, better to get people's nasty views out in the open where they can be challenged, and where you can take account of their views when judging their actions, which is why no-platforming is idiotic.
No one is silencing them. They can arrange their own meetings etc. No one should be forced to give them a platform or promote their views.
A fine line.
The conservative student body at Berkeley did exactly that - they raised the required considerable funds for security insurance, got permission from the chancellor and 500 tickets sold out immediately.
And then a load of rioters/SJW types decided to use thuggery to silence their meeting. That's political motivated intimidation to shut down opposing ideas.
On topic: This can come as no surprise and will stay the same. May got the job in tricky circumstances and is handling the job of PM pretty well. She's a bit slow but I think this is deliberative / preparatory not lazy. Still a bit unsure of herself but gaining confidence. Doesn't respond rapidly or get pushed around by the outrage / virtue signal of the day. She's solid. Corbyn remains a Marxist tramp with terrorist buddies and hasn't had an original thought since 1975. He has ruined the Labour party. I like him a lot!
Trump's continued, and highly entertaining, volatility (or insanity, if you prefer) just underlines what an incredible job TMay did in Washington.
Most leaders can't have a ten minute phone call with the POTUS, without him threatening to invade their country and drop neutron bombs on their favourite national parks. TMay went into the crazy lion's den, got feted and cheered, did an actual live press conference without a hitch, and escaped with nothing but a mildly embarrassing shot of some hand holding.
Whatever your politics, she did very very well. She rises in my estimation daily.
It's easy to get on well with Trump, just tell him he's great.
Yes. But beyond the necessary flattery of a narcissist, May also managed to get Trump to 1. commit to NATO, and 2. confess he would let his Def Sec choose whether or not to torture people (i.e. not)
I know she's not flavour of the month amongst Remainers, but looking back TMay handled Trump exceedingly well, in very tricky circumstances. Perhaps he responds to authoritative women better than other men, who he sees as rivals. That might be especially true if the women have a British accent.
Trump's commitment to NATO is untested, to say the least. As for torture - probably best to wait and see. What we know for sure is that Trump says one thing and does another. But, you are right, May is tied to him keeping his word.
I forgot to ask, can anyone give me the dates when Obama supposedly banned refugees from Iraq.
There was no ban per se, however the US State Department in 2011 stopped processing Iraq refugee requests for six months after the FBI uncovered evidence that several dozen terrorists from Iraq had infiltrated the United States via the refugee program.
It is also being conflated with Obama taking basically no Syrian refugees until the very last minute when it started to become a bit of an embarrassment.
Miss Plato, I quite agree. It's also counter-productive, because it earns sympathy and support from those who don't necessarily agree with Milo but quite like the idea of free speech, rather than speech that's been approved by a right-on crowd of serial protesters who believe they have the right to govern other people's words.
Hate Speech is simply speech one strongly dislikes.
If you are an arsehole, malicious, nasty or downright evil, you should expect to be challenged or ideally in the case of the these ego fuelled alt-right types ignored. Sadly not everyone gets that.
Precisely. But what you absolutely shouldn't be is silenced. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, better to get people's nasty views out in the open where they can be challenged, and where you can take account of their views when judging their actions, which is why no-platforming is idiotic.
No one is silencing them. They can arrange their own meetings etc. No one should be forced to give them a platform or promote their views.
A fine line.
The conservative student body at Berkeley did exactly that - they raised the required considerable funds for security insurance, got permission from the chancellor and 500 tickets sold out immediately.
And then a load of rioters/SJW types decided to use thuggery to silence their meeting. That's political motivated intimidation to shut down opposing ideas.
Trump's continued, and highly entertaining, volatility (or insanity, if you prefer) just underlines what an incredible job TMay did in Washington.
Most leaders can't have a ten minute phone call with the POTUS, without him threatening to invade their country and drop neutron bombs on their favourite national parks. TMay went into the crazy lion's den, got feted and cheered, did an actual live press conference without a hitch, and escaped with nothing but a mildly embarrassing shot of some hand holding.
Whatever your politics, she did very very well. She rises in my estimation daily.
Mrs May went to Washington DC and gave President Trump a golden carriage ride up the Mall and a weekend with the Queen. That's a card that has now been played.
Trump's continued, and highly entertaining, volatility (or insanity, if you prefer) just underlines what an incredible job TMay did in Washington.
Most leaders can't have a ten minute phone call with the POTUS, without him threatening to invade their country and drop neutron bombs on their favourite national parks. TMay went into the crazy lion's den, got feted and cheered, did an actual live press conference without a hitch, and escaped with nothing but a mildly embarrassing shot of some hand holding.
Whatever your politics, she did very very well. She rises in my estimation daily.
It's easy to get on well with Trump, just tell him he's great.
Yes. But beyond the necessary flattery of a narcissist, May also managed to get Trump to 1. commit to NATO, and 2. confess he would let his Def Sec choose whether or not to torture people (i.e. not)
I know she's not flavour of the month amongst Remainers, but looking back TMay handled Trump exceedingly well, in very tricky circumstances. Perhaps he responds to authoritative women better than other men, who he sees as rivals. That might be especially true if the women have a British accent.
Trump's commitment to NATO is untested, to say the least.
On France, Bayrou is publishing a book this week and is widely expected to announce his intentions at its launch. The latest rumour is that he will run, but both Fillon and Macron have been wooing him like crazy. (A few weeks ago, the French press was full of stories that a deal with Fillon had been agreed. Perhaps Bayrou got cold feet when he saw Fillon's problems.)
Hate Speech is simply speech one strongly dislikes.
If you are an arsehole, malicious, nasty or downright evil, you should expect to be challenged or ideally in the case of the these ego fuelled alt-right types ignored. Sadly not everyone gets that.
Precisely. But what you absolutely shouldn't be is silenced. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, better to get people's nasty views out in the open where they can be challenged, and where you can take account of their views when judging their actions, which is why no-platforming is idiotic.
No one is silencing them. They can arrange their own meetings etc. No one should be forced to give them a platform or promote their views.
A fine line.
There is no right to publication for sure. What is taking the piss though is when someone arranges their own meetings and then pressure is brought to bear on the hosts, or the venue, or the sponsors of either of the above. It is perfectly respectable to invite nasty people to account for their views and to vigorously challenge them, without people trying to shut down the meeting.
I am glad for example the Mr Corbyn has been so forthright about his views on Palestine, Irish republicanism, Israel, Islamic Terrorism and so forth, it means the voters get to consider a fuller picture of him when them put their tick in the box. For the same reason it was good to know about the nasty views of Mr Griffin and his associates.
Quite. His blustering performance on Question Time was the beginning of the end for Nick Griffin. His party went into freefall soon after.
If Milo has horrible views (I'm not sure he does, I think he's more of a provocateur) then let him speak, and let him be revealed as the Nazi-boy he is. Or not.
Rioting to stop him speaking, and burning down trees, and punching and pepperspraying those who came to hear him speak is just ridiculous. And depressing.
It really is. Depressing and stupid. I don't know this Milo person very well, but I suspect he is just another wind-up-the-lefties merchant who only gets attention because he is good at winding up a certain kind of lefty. If he was ignored he would probably disappear very quickly indeed.
Trump's continued, and highly entertaining, volatility (or insanity, if you prefer) just underlines what an incredible job TMay did in Washington.
Most leaders can't have a ten minute phone call with the POTUS, without him threatening to invade their country and drop neutron bombs on their favourite national parks. TMay went into the crazy lion's den, got feted and cheered, did an actual live press conference without a hitch, and escaped with nothing but a mildly embarrassing shot of some hand holding.
Whatever your politics, she did very very well. She rises in my estimation daily.
It's easy to get on well with Trump, just tell him he's great.
Yes. But beyond the necessary flattery of a narcissist, May also managed to get Trump to 1. commit to NATO, and 2. confess he would let his Def Sec choose whether or not to torture people (i.e. not)
I know she's not flavour of the month amongst Remainers, but looking back TMay handled Trump exceedingly well, in very tricky circumstances. Perhaps he responds to authoritative women better than other men, who he sees as rivals. That might be especially true if the women have a British accent.
Trump's commitment to NATO is untested, to say the least. As for torture - probably best to wait and see. What we know for sure is that Trump says one thing and does another. But, you are right, May is tied to him keeping his word.
If you can just try and get beyond your tiresome partisanship, and Remainery whingeing, you have to admit - in terms of the job she had to do in DC - TMay did jolly well, as every day since has proved. Trump is barking. She made him appear sane, and got away largely without embarrassment. 9/10 for the lady.
As for the ongoing politics, yes, we shall see.
Pot and Kettle. Her visit went OK from a PR point of view, probably because she offered a hasty State visit.
Trump's continued, and highly entertaining, volatility (or insanity, if you prefer) just underlines what an incredible job TMay did in Washington.
Most leaders can't have a ten minute phone call with the POTUS, without him threatening to invade their country and drop neutron bombs on their favourite national parks. TMay went into the crazy lion's den, got feted and cheered, did an actual live press conference without a hitch, and escaped with nothing but a mildly embarrassing shot of some hand holding.
Whatever your politics, she did very very well. She rises in my estimation daily.
It's easy to get on well with Trump, just tell him he's great.
Yes. But beyond the necessary flattery of a narcissist, May also managed to get Trump to 1. commit to NATO, and 2. confess he would let his Def Sec choose whether or not to torture people (i.e. not)
I know she's not flavour of the month amongst Remainers, but looking back TMay handled Trump exceedingly well, in very tricky circumstances. Perhaps he responds to authoritative women better than other men, who he sees as rivals. That might be especially true if the women have a British accent.
Trump's commitment to NATO is untested, to say the least. As for torture - probably best to wait and see. What we know for sure is that Trump says one thing and does another. But, you are right, May is tied to him keeping his word.
If you can just try and get beyond your tiresome partisanship, and Remainery whingeing, you have to admit - in terms of the job she had to do in DC - TMay did jolly well, as every day since has proved. Trump is barking. She made him appear sane, and got away largely without embarrassment. 9/10 for the lady.
As for the ongoing politics, yes, we shall see.
If as you say Trump is barking then that undermines, if not invalidates anything that Theresa did or didn't achieve. Like asking George III to rule effectively as King of Hanover.
Is this a case of caveat emptor, and/or are the leaseholders taking the p*ss ?
(Why would you get a leasehold on a new, non-shared ownership house anyway?)
Sometimes for the enforceability of estate covenants, though of course that is little more than cover.
I don't quite know how you get to £32,000 under the statutory calculation. However having heard this issue discussed it is frequently because the ground rent starts low but rises exponentially across a 99 or 999 year term. Some of these people will therefore have legitimate complaints against their conveyancer. But it should be made illegal full stop.
Trump's continued, and highly entertaining, volatility (or insanity, if you prefer) just underlines what an incredible job TMay did in Washington.
Most leaders can't have a ten minute phone call with the POTUS, without him threatening to invade their country and drop neutron bombs on their favourite national parks. TMay went into the crazy lion's den, got feted and cheered, did an actual live press conference without a hitch, and escaped with nothing but a mildly embarrassing shot of some hand holding.
Whatever your politics, she did very very well. She rises in my estimation daily.
It's easy to get on well with Trump, just tell him he's great.
Yes. But beyond the necessary flattery of a narcissist, May also managed to get Trump to 1. commit to NATO, and 2. confess he would let his Def Sec choose whether or not to torture people (i.e. not)
I know she's not flavour of the month amongst Remainers, but looking back TMay handled Trump exceedingly well, in very tricky circumstances. Perhaps he responds to authoritative women better than other men, who he sees as rivals. That might be especially true if the women have a British accent.
Trump's commitment to NATO is untested, to say the least. As for torture - probably best to wait and see. What we know for sure is that Trump says one thing and does another. But, you are right, May is tied to him keeping his word.
If you can just try and get beyond your tiresome partisanship, and Remainery whingeing, you have to admit - in terms of the job she had to do in DC - TMay did jolly well, as every day since has proved. Trump is barking. She made him appear sane, and got away largely without embarrassment. 9/10 for the lady.
As for the ongoing politics, yes, we shall see.
She gave him a weekend with the Queen and a golden carriage ride down the Mall. For a barking-mad narcissist that is a dream come true; so he behaved himself - more or less - for a 24-hour period. May has now played all the cards she had to play. The true test of her skill will be what happens now.
Miss Plato, I quite agree. It's also counter-productive, because it earns sympathy and support from those who don't necessarily agree with Milo but quite like the idea of free speech, rather than speech that's been approved by a right-on crowd of serial protesters who believe they have the right to govern other people's words.
Milo is a professional audience builder - and these thugs have transformed his final college event for 500 into a massive media event. It's on the BBC website FFS, swamped twitter and all over the MSM.
Its quite a watershed moment for him and the thuggery who have no arguments, just fists.
The left seem to still miss the dangerous game they're playing. Civility and debating ideas is what bolts us together. Conservatives are very reluctant to use such anti-social tactics - but have started to respond, rather than tut. The Bill Is A ......... signs were an example. Trump is playing hardball.
Following the Trumper activist news as I do, there's a tipping point coming unless law and order is brought to bear. The gloves are coming off - Trumpers are understandably getting pissed off at the insults/hate/hysteria they're subjected to. I've never seen such sentiments before and it's moved on from political knockabout to something more visceral.
Quite. His blustering performance on Question Time was the beginning of the end for Nick Griffin. His party went into freefall soon after.
So much so that the BNP had its best ever GE performance 6 months later, almost trebling its 2005 vote.
I said "soon", not "immediately". I said it was "the beginning of the end" not "the end".
BNP General Election results.
2005 - 192,746. 2010 - 563,743. 2015 – 1,667
The beginning of the end indeed.
Can you explain how Griffin's QT appearance didn't prevent him trebling his vote 6 months later, but apparently had some delayed effect in the subsequent 5 years? Repressed memory syndrome perhaps?
Hate Speech is simply speech one strongly dislikes.
If you ar
Preciions, which is why no-platforming is idiotic.
No one is silencing them. They can arrange their own meetings etc. No one should be forced to give them a platform or promote their views.
A fine line.
There is nssociates.
Quite. His blustering performance on Question Time was the beginning of the end for Nick Griffin. His party went into freefall soon after.
If Milo has horrible views (I'm not sure he does, I think he's more of a provocateur) then let him speak, and let him be revealed as the Nazi-boy he is. Or not.
Rioting to stop him speaking, and burning down trees, and punching and pepperspraying those who came to hear him speak is just ridiculous. And depressing.
It really is. Depressing and stupid. I don't know this Milo person very well, but I suspect he is just another wind-up-the-lefties merchant who only gets attention because he is good at winding up a certain kind of lefty. If he was ignored he would probably disappear very quickly indeed.
If you really want to be depressed by the dreadful safe-spacing mess into which American academe is descending, read this, written by an actual Ivy League student
Trump's continued, and highly entertaining, volatility (or insanity, if you prefer) just underlines what an incredible job TMay did in Washington.
Most leaders can't have a ten minute phone call with the POTUS, without him threatening to invade their country and drop neutron bombs on their favourite national parks. TMay went into the crazy lion's den, got feted and cheered, did an actual live press conference without a hitch, and escaped with nothing but a mildly embarrassing shot of some hand holding.
Whatever your politics, she did very very well. She rises in my estimation daily.
It's easy to get on well with Trump, just tell him he's great.
Yes. But beyond the necessary flattery of a narcissist, May also managed to get Trump to 1. commit to NATO, and 2. confess he would let his Def Sec choose whether or not to torture people (i.e. not)
I know she's not flavour of the month amongst Remainers, but looking back TMay handled Trump exceedingly well, in very tricky circumstances. Perhaps he responds to authoritative women better than other men, who he sees as rivals. That might be especially true if the women have a British accent.
Trump's commitment to NATO is untested, to say the least. As for torture - probably best to wait and see. What we know for sure is that Trump says one thing and does another. But, you are right, May is tied to him keeping his word.
If you can just try and get beyond your tiresome partisanship, and Remainery whingeing, you have to admit - in terms of the job she had to do in DC - TMay did jolly well, as every day since has proved. Trump is barking. She made him appear sane, and got away largely without embarrassment. 9/10 for the lady.
As for the ongoing politics, yes, we shall see.
So far she's proved pretty good at papering over cracks. Whether she can be a builder as well as a competent decorator is an open question.
With the breakdown of discipline in the Labour Party I sense that this is the time of maximum risk to its leader. I think that all Tories should rally to Jeremy Corbyn wherever they are. Particularly in Stoke Central and Copeland it is a time to repay Jeremy for his friendship and help to the Conservative cause. You know it makes sense. Keep Jeremy in office for three more years. There is no limit to what he can do for us if we help him through his present little difficulty
Hate Speech is simply speech one strongly dislikes.
If you ar
Preciions, which is why no-platforming is idiotic.
No one is silencing them. They can arrange their own meetings etc. No one should be forced to give them a platform or promote their views.
A fine line.
There is nssociates.
Quite. His blustering performance on Question Time was the beginning of the end for Nick Griffin. His party went into freefall soon after.
If Milo has horrible views (I'm not sure he does, I think he's more of a provocateur) then let him speak, and let him be revealed as the Nazi-boy he is. Or not.
Rioting to stop him speaking, and burning down trees, and punching and pepperspraying those who came to hear him speak is just ridiculous. And depressing.
It really is. Depressing and stupid. I don't know this Milo person very well, but I suspect he is just another wind-up-the-lefties merchant who only gets attention because he is good at winding up a certain kind of lefty. If he was ignored he would probably disappear very quickly indeed.
If you really want to be depressed by the dreadful safe-spacing mess into which American academe is descending, read this, written by an actual Ivy League student
Rioting to stop him speaking, and burning down trees, and punching and pepperspraying those who came to hear him speak is just ridiculous. And depressing.
and unlawful. But I wonder how many are arrested and charged ?
Hate Speech is simply speech one strongly dislikes.
If you ar
Preciions, which is why no-platforming is idiotic.
No one is silencing them. They can arrange their own meetings etc. No one should be forced to give them a platform or promote their views.
A fine line.
There is nssociates.
Quite. His blustering performance on Question Time was the beginning of the end for Nick Griffin. His party went into freefall soon after.
If Milo has horrible views (I'm not sure he does, I think he's more of a provocateur) then let him speak, and let him be revealed as the Nazi-boy he is. Or not.
Rioting to stop him speaking, and burning down trees, and punching and pepperspraying those who came to hear him speak is just ridiculous. And depressing.
It really is. Depressing and stupid. I don't know this Milo person very well, but I suspect he is just another wind-up-the-lefties merchant who only gets attention because he is good at winding up a certain kind of lefty. If he was ignored he would probably disappear very quickly indeed.
If you really want to be depressed by the dreadful safe-spacing mess into which American academe is descending, read this, written by an actual Ivy League student
I've watched several of his campus events and seen a few 1-2-1 intvs. He doesn't like ugly fat lesbians because he thinks they're doomed to be unhappy = deliberately unattractive - blue hair etc for a reason he can't fathom. He wants to be gorgeous and expects others to want to be as attractive as possible.
He doesn't like gay marriage because he doesn't want to be domesticated and get a dog/go to garden centres on a Sunday. He's a free spirit unsuited to Burb Life.
He doesn't like Islam because rather a lot of that faith's followers want him dead or to make him a criminal. That doesn't strike me as particularly irrational.
I can't think of anything he's said in rather colourful rude ways that is hateful - just polemical, and that's his day job.
Mr. T, the 1,400 young girls claim Milo made is wrong. A third of the victims were boys.
Fair enough (not that it lessons the horror). Is that the case?? Wow.
I'm getting a sense that the generally Muslim supporting left feels the emergence of Trump, his obvious antipathy towards Muslims and the widespread protests against Trump somehow equate to a movement in public opinion towards a more positive view of Islam. They'll be disabused of this soon enough. Unfortunately 'soon enough' probably equates to the impending next Bataclan/Hebdo/Cologne/Christmas market/whatever event. That's our new normal I'm afraid.
I've been thinking about the Trump Border Tax Adjustment (BTA), and what it means for the Canadian oil & gas industry.
To recap, under the BTA, companies can recoup domestic costs against tax, but not imports.
Now, imagine you are an oil refiner. Typically you buy oil (and I'm simplifying here, but not much), for $50, spend $5 to convert it diesel, gasoline, etc., and sell it for $60, earning a $5 profit on which you pay roughly $1.50 of tax.
If a refiner buys a barrel of Canadian oil, paying $50, it will not be able to offset that against tax. The result is that its tax bill will be $15.00 + $1.50, or $16.50.
The US produces about 9m barrels of oil per day, and consumes about 17m.
Canada has no meaningful ability to sell crude oil (beyond a small amount from the off-shore fields of White Rose, Hibernian, etc.) to customers other than the US. 99% of its oil exports have exactly one market; and those barrels (which are already some of the most expensive to produce in the world) are just worth $15 less to a US refiner.
I think it's fair to say that Canada would regard the imposition of a BTA to be an extremely hostile act.
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Trump might be a bit of a fruitcake, but he isn't stupid, at the very least he has a natural talent for understanding and wielding power, and a fairly wide streak of natural talent as a political strategist. He has surrounded himself with people who also are perhaps more fruitcake-y than we would prefer, but again with minds varying from the "quite bright" to "approaching brilliant". Bannon has some contemptible views, but started and runs a hugely successful international business. Jared Kushner, Pence, Priebus are all dangerously sharp minds, the later two also very experienced political operators... so why hasn't this occurred to them ? How is it that the armchair politicians here can see all these elephant traps and these (mostly) very able men can't ?
Wondering who the history books will record as winning the cold war.
That seems entirely reasonable to me and just realpolitik.
People were wanking on about it endlessly on here a couple of days ago but I can't find any record of it.
There was the period where they changed the vetting rules due to a previous cock up which caused a backlog of cases but there wasn't a blanket stop as far as I am see.
I don't expect the strategy to be made public, or at least all of it. But soon we should be able to start connecting the dots to form a picture. If, that is, he has one.
He has certainly made America grate again.
Christopher Snowden
The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. In this instance, Autotrader's. https://t.co/NxMLZIien3
However, he's in danger of willingly becoming a new Antigonus Monopthalmus. It's fine being the pre-eminent power, but that doesn't mean you're invincible, especially if everyone else unites against you.
@tnewtondunn: Hard to overstate how extraordinary this decision by Corbyn is - 3 line whips are now just advisory. Means Labour now in outright anarchy. twitter.com/tnewtondunn/st…
My heart bleeds...
"Too sick to vote" Diane Abbott was on the lash in the Red Lion before the Article 50 vote. https://order-order.com/2017/02/01/diane-abbott-ill-vote/ …
ooops
"Bank of England may raise growth outlook"
Despite Brexit? *innocent face*
https://twitter.com/HTScotPol/status/827068741871603712
https://twitter.com/HTScotPol/status/827053185806266368
Seems to explain it.
2011: 29
2012: 31
2013: 36
2014: 105
2015: 1,682
2016: 13,000+
The detailed figures for US refugee admissions are here https://2009-2017.state.gov/j/prm/releases/statistics/index.htm
Mr. Jonathan, I think the distaste for the term comes from the way such things might seem sensible in principle but then get broadened. It's got shades of IngSoc, as far as language development is concerned. We've seen just how widely the definition of a Nazi is being stretched, or how racist was for anyone concerned by migration or who thought maybe there was something rotten in Rotherham.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/01/dhs-secretary-border-wall-should-be-finished-in-two-years.html
Presumably Sean F doesn't think he should have been let free?
A fine line.
"Again" might be stretching it, because never before has the US state pursued a foreign policy that seems designed to cause the rest of the world to react with such animosity towards it and in particular the man that seems to revel in the contempt of most of us. His strategy seems to me to be to stir up much of the world against the US, on the grounds that playing the strongman in a hostile world will only bolster him at home, and to hang the wider consequences.
Let's also not direct contempt beyond the US president, more of the American people having voted in support of someone else who would have pursued a very different course, even in circumstances when that someone else was herself so obviously flawed.
I am glad for example the Mr Corbyn has been so forthright about his views on Palestine, Irish republicanism, Israel, Islamic Terrorism and so forth, it means the voters get to consider a fuller picture of him when them put their tick in the box. For the same reason it was good to know about the nasty views of Mr Griffin and his associates.
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/827077414341730304
Le Pen (FN-ENF): 24% ↓
Fillon (LR-EPP): 21% ↑
Macron (EM-NI) 20%
Hamon (PS-S&D) 18% ↑
Mélenchon (FG-LEFT): 9% ↓
Fillon holds off his challengers. Quite extraordinary to think he is now 6 or 7/1. I think there's value there, although it represents the chance of him fall out the race.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel visits Turkey on Thursday for the first time since July's failed coup, seeking to bolster a relationship frayed by differences over issues from the fight against terrorism to free speech
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-germany-idUSKBN15H0MZ
And then a load of rioters/SJW types decided to use thuggery to silence their meeting. That's political motivated intimidation to shut down opposing ideas.
May got the job in tricky circumstances and is handling the job of PM pretty well. She's a bit slow but I think this is deliberative / preparatory not lazy. Still a bit unsure of herself but gaining confidence. Doesn't respond rapidly or get pushed around by the outrage / virtue signal of the day. She's solid.
Corbyn remains a Marxist tramp with terrorist buddies and hasn't had an original thought since 1975. He has ruined the Labour party. I like him a lot!
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/826973975775428609
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight/michaelcrick/2010/06/which_prime_ministers_were_bor.html
(Which I would have got wrong.....)
http://www.rferl.org/a/poroshenko-says-plans-hold-referendum-ukraine-joining-nato-german-newspaper/28274357.html
Her visit went OK from a PR point of view, probably because she offered a hasty State visit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38827661
Is this a case of caveat emptor, and/or are the leaseholders taking the p*ss ?
(Why would you get a leasehold on a new, non-shared ownership house anyway?)
Is all people are trying to tell you.
I don't quite know how you get to £32,000 under the statutory calculation. However having heard this issue discussed it is frequently because the ground rent starts low but rises exponentially across a 99 or 999 year term. Some of these people will therefore have legitimate complaints against their conveyancer. But it should be made illegal full stop.
2005 - 192,746.
2010 - 563,743.
2015 – 1,667
The beginning of the end indeed.
Its quite a watershed moment for him and the thuggery who have no arguments, just fists.
The left seem to still miss the dangerous game they're playing. Civility and debating ideas is what bolts us together. Conservatives are very reluctant to use such anti-social tactics - but have started to respond, rather than tut. The Bill Is A ......... signs were an example. Trump is playing hardball.
Following the Trumper activist news as I do, there's a tipping point coming unless law and order is brought to bear. The gloves are coming off - Trumpers are understandably getting pissed off at the insults/hate/hysteria they're subjected to. I've never seen such sentiments before and it's moved on from political knockabout to something more visceral.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHZBGidQcEs
'Breitbart Editor Milo Yiannopoulos Once Wrote Satirical Poetry about Jews'
http://tinyurl.com/jjxa6t4
He doesn't like gay marriage because he doesn't want to be domesticated and get a dog/go to garden centres on a Sunday. He's a free spirit unsuited to Burb Life.
He doesn't like Islam because rather a lot of that faith's followers want him dead or to make him a criminal. That doesn't strike me as particularly irrational.
I can't think of anything he's said in rather colourful rude ways that is hateful - just polemical, and that's his day job.
Chloe Smith was on maternity leave, but still turned up to vote last night with baby son Alastair in her arms.
Diane Abbott went home early, too hung over to vote.
To recap, under the BTA, companies can recoup domestic costs against tax, but not imports.
Now, imagine you are an oil refiner. Typically you buy oil (and I'm simplifying here, but not much), for $50, spend $5 to convert it diesel, gasoline, etc., and sell it for $60, earning a $5 profit on which you pay roughly $1.50 of tax.
If a refiner buys a barrel of Canadian oil, paying $50, it will not be able to offset that against tax. The result is that its tax bill will be $15.00 + $1.50, or $16.50.
The US produces about 9m barrels of oil per day, and consumes about 17m.
Canada has no meaningful ability to sell crude oil (beyond a small amount from the off-shore fields of White Rose, Hibernian, etc.) to customers other than the US. 99% of its oil exports have exactly one market; and those barrels (which are already some of the most expensive to produce in the world) are just worth $15 less to a US refiner.
I think it's fair to say that Canada would regard the imposition of a BTA to be an extremely hostile act.