Now that may jump the shark. The election was not hacked, the russians may have hacked the DNC emails but not peoples minds or their votes, the Times has a misleading title.
How much connected technology was there in polling stations? My impression was that the machines which brought us hanging chads were the zenith of sophistication.
Now that may jump the shark. The election was not hacked, the russians may have hacked the DNC emails but not peoples minds or their votes, the Times has a misleading title.
Cue tweets from the Donald attacking Rupert Murdoch and the failing London Times?
How much connected technology was there in polling stations? My impression was that the machines which brought us hanging chads were the zenith of sophistication.
I believe that they are talking about the DNC hacks.
The Fife elections page makes no remark about whether the results posted are just first preferences. It says the SNP was elected without giving the reason why. Don't know why councils are so poor at explaining STV elections results.
Now that may jump the shark. The election was not hacked, the russians may have hacked the DNC emails but not peoples minds or their votes, the Times has a misleading title.
Cue tweets from the Donald attacking Rupert Murdoch and the failing London Times?
Trump won that argument against Murdoch when he defeated Fox News during the primaries.
The Fife elections page makes no remark about whether the results posted are just first preferences. It says the SNP was elected without giving the reason why. Don't know why councils are so poor at explaining STV elections results.
Instead we have to rely on someones photograph of a printout of the results, showing only two of the stages. FPTP far superior...
How much connected technology was there in polling stations? My impression was that the machines which brought us hanging chads were the zenith of sophistication.
I believe that they are talking about the DNC hacks.
Thanks. Misleading headline then I guess. That they've tried doesn't surprise me - intellectually how is this different to funding, for example, certain trade unions or their leaders. That they're caught is more surprising.
How much connected technology was there in polling stations? My impression was that the machines which brought us hanging chads were the zenith of sophistication.
I believe that they are talking about the DNC hacks.
Thanks. Misleading headline then I guess. That they've tried doesn't surprise me - intellectually how is this different to funding, for example, certain trade unions or their leaders. That they're caught is more surprising.
They are all kicking up a fuss in the run up to the electoral college vote on Monday.
Now that may jump the shark. The election was not hacked, the russians may have hacked the DNC emails but not peoples minds or their votes, the Times has a misleading title.
Cue tweets from the Donald attacking Rupert Murdoch and the failing London Times?
Presumably Rupert Murdoch is part of the so-called metropolitan liberal elite as well then. Who'd have thought it?
Slade Council by elections rarely symbolise much, Hague regularly made big council by election gains from 1997 to 2001. They provide some encouragement for opposition parties but little more
Now that may jump the shark. The election was not hacked, the russians may have hacked the DNC emails but not peoples minds or their votes, the Times has a misleading title.
Cue tweets from the Donald attacking Rupert Murdoch and the failing London Times?
Presumably Rupert Murdoch is part of the so-called metropolitan liberal elite as well then. Who'd have thought it?
It's a much broader group than you'd expect!
It's also amazing how much some very establishment types are suddenly not establishment when the moment is right.
Slade Council by elections rarely symbolise much, Hague regularly made big council by election gains from 1997 to 2001. They provide some encouragement for opposition parties but little more
You are saying that the Lib Dems should stop preparing for government?
Now that may jump the shark. The election was not hacked, the russians may have hacked the DNC emails but not peoples minds or their votes, the Times has a misleading title.
Cue tweets from the Donald attacking Rupert Murdoch and the failing London Times?
Presumably Rupert Murdoch is part of the so-called metropolitan liberal elite as well then. Who'd have thought it?
It's a much broader group than you'd expect!
It's also amazing how much some very establishment types are suddenly not establishment when the moment is right.
Yep. Apparently former banker Nigel Farage and Billionaire Donald Trump are not part of the establishment....
The Tories are in trouble across southern England because of Brexit.
But how much trouble? Not many Richmond's where enough trouble and other events to lead to actual losses, and not many such opportunities coming up either. The more trouble they're in, the more we'll definitely not get an early GE where such trouble would hurt them.
Now that may jump the shark. The election was not hacked, the russians may have hacked the DNC emails but not peoples minds or their votes, the Times has a misleading title.
Cue tweets from the Donald attacking Rupert Murdoch and the failing London Times?
Presumably Rupert Murdoch is part of the so-called metropolitan liberal elite as well then. Who'd have thought it?
It's a much broader group than you'd expect!
It's also amazing how much some very establishment types are suddenly not establishment when the moment is right.
Yep. Apparently former banker Nigel Farage and Billionaire Donald Trump are not part of the establishment....
I don't think you'd call them establishment candidates.
WG LDs winning a couple of council by elections in seats they hold is hardly symbolising 'Tories in trouble across southern England' indeed in the Powys by election tonight the LD vote was well down and that area contains Brecon and Radnor which also used to be a LD seat
Now that may jump the shark. The election was not hacked, the russians may have hacked the DNC emails but not peoples minds or their votes, the Times has a misleading title.
Cue tweets from the Donald attacking Rupert Murdoch and the failing London Times?
Presumably Rupert Murdoch is part of the so-called metropolitan liberal elite as well then. Who'd have thought it?
It's a much broader group than you'd expect!
It's also amazing how much some very establishment types are suddenly not establishment when the moment is right.
Yep. Apparently former banker Nigel Farage and Billionaire Donald Trump are not part of the establishment....
I don't think you'd call them establishment candidates.
I think the relevant point is people define establishment however they like, like mainstream, elite and other such terms. Professional politicians and billionaires are, to many people, establishment by virtue of their positions, of who they associate with, but only when it is inconvenient are such excluded (either from opponents suggesting they are beyond the pale or themselves to suggest they are opposed by a nebulous powerful enemy.
Let us never forget Jeb godddamn Bush and Hillary bloody Clinton pitching, at various times, as outsiders. That's how silly the world is.
but that 14% HYUFD is responding to a polling question and not after voters being reminded constantly for 3 weeks on end that the LDs are now the only Remain party.
WG LDs winning a couple of council by elections in seats they hold is hardly symbolising 'Tories in trouble across southern England' indeed in the Powys by election tonight the LD vote was well down and that area contains Brecon and Radnor which also used to be a LD seat
Has Morris Dancer been tutoring you in history ? It would explain a few things.
I thought the East Berlin army was particularly good at keeping people on one side? Maybe basing that view on too many films depicting people getting shot as they tried to cross a minefield.
Has Morris Dancer been tutoring you in history ? It would explain a few things.
I thought the East Berlin army was particularly good at keeping people on one side? Maybe basing that view on too many films depicting people getting shot as they tried to cross a minefield.
The wall was built by undemocratic odious fools and the wall ultimately came down.
Has Morris Dancer been tutoring you in history ? It would explain a few things.
I thought the East Berlin army was particularly good at keeping people on one side? Maybe basing that view on too many films depicting people getting shot as they tried to cross a minefield.
The wall was built by undemocratic odious fools and the wall ultimately came down.
Tear down this wall Mr Gorbachev.
I still wonder why Berlin was partitioned in the first place. I suppose hindsight is a wonderful thing, and they had no idea what would happen when they were drawing up the maps in the middle of the 40s.
Has Morris Dancer been tutoring you in history ? It would explain a few things.
I thought the East Berlin army was particularly good at keeping people on one side? Maybe basing that view on too many films depicting people getting shot as they tried to cross a minefield.
The wall was built by undemocratic odious fools and the wall ultimately came down.
Tear down this wall Mr Gorbachev.
I still wonder why Berlin was partitioned in the first place. I suppose hindsight is a wonderful thing, and they had no idea what would happen when they were drawing up the maps in the middle of the 40s.
Because it was the capital. At that time there were 4 zones divided between the allied powers. It was several years later that the Russian zone became the DDR.
Has Morris Dancer been tutoring you in history ? It would explain a few things.
I thought the East Berlin army was particularly good at keeping people on one side? Maybe basing that view on too many films depicting people getting shot as they tried to cross a minefield.
The wall was built by undemocratic odious fools and the wall ultimately came down.
Tear down this wall Mr Gorbachev.
I still wonder why Berlin was partitioned in the first place. I suppose hindsight is a wonderful thing, and they had no idea what would happen when they were drawing up the maps in the middle of the 40s.
Because it was the capital. At that time there were 4 zones divided between the allied powers. It was several years later that the Russian zone became the DDR.
Yeah, I wonder if they ever envisioned a scenario like the one that eventually played out.
How much connected technology was there in polling stations? My impression was that the machines which brought us hanging chads were the zenith of sophistication.
I believe that they are talking about the DNC hacks.
Thanks. Misleading headline then I guess. That they've tried doesn't surprise me - intellectually how is this different to funding, for example, certain trade unions or their leaders. That they're caught is more surprising.
They are all kicking up a fuss in the run up to the electoral college vote on Monday.
Yes, watching the news here this evening, I had the misfortune to turn on Fox News. Although the actors urging EC college voters to switch votes were equally unsympathetic characters.
Coming back to the elections, has there been anywhere in recent months where UKIP have had a respectable showing (Sleaford aside)? Is it too early to write them off, or are they hibernating till A50 is possibly postponed or at least not hard enough for them, and the Express goes on the warpath with farage, Nuttall etc out on the streets again?
Not sure we should be trusting anyone outside of Five Eyes. (anyone used in the context of the spy world!)
Agree - of course 'Intelligence' is nowhere near as high on the priorities of the EU or the EC as it is for national governments.......so I suspect major ructions at some point down the line....during the Brussels attacks there were reports the Belgian police were getting more from the UK than their own intelligence services.....
While you shouldn't read too much, etc., etc., and it would be interesting to know the longer term history of these seats, it is clear that the LibDems are resurfacing. Real people are going out to real polling stations, and putting little 'x's in next to their candidates names.
Perhaps it's because Corbyn is so crap. Perhaps it's because Farron has managed to motivate the membership to go knocking on doors. Perhaps it's because there are quite a few Remain and/or Soft Brexit voters looking for a home. Perhaps it's a little bit of all of these, or something completely different.
But those who choose to deny it are putting prejudices before data.
No. I know I have to do something I that will be unpleasant for someone. I've spent 6 months giving them every opportunity to develop a collaborative approach but they don't want to play ball. I've no options left. But it doesn't mean I have to like it.
OT, but the Birthers are back.. and, suspiciously, the official who certified Obama's certificate several years ago died in a plane crash three days ago.
No. I know I have to do something I that will be unpleasant for someone. I've spent 6 months giving them every opportunity to develop a collaborative approach but they don't want to play ball. I've no options left. But it doesn't mean I have to like it.
Your colleague probably knows he has reached the end of the line. I have always been soft as butter and looking back it would have been better for everybody if I had been tougher.
Lib Dems gain all 3 Tory seats in the West Country, with percentage gains of 20%, 39% and 50%. Ind takes fourth Tory seat. Labour down except in Blackburn and UKIP fails to make impression
LDs have gone from being NOTA to then being one of the above, and now are back to NOTA as people judge that they don't pose enough of a threat actually to get into government.
The divergence between the pattern of actual votes in by-elections and the picture being painted by the national VI polls has never been greater. The last time I remember a pattern of local by-elections this good for the LibDems was thirty five years ago when the Lib/SDs were leading the Tories in the polls.
The LibDems first priority is to avoid wipe out as the array count is reduced from 650 to 600. A recovery in local by-elections is a necessary but not sufficient condition for this.
The LibDems first priority is to avoid wipe out as the array count is reduced from 650 to 600. A recovery in local by-elections is a necessary but not sufficient condition for this.
I don't doubt it but they are unlikely ever to create the momentum that propelled them into government so people are more comfortable voting for them safe in that knowledge.
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The election was not hacked, the russians may have hacked the DNC emails but not peoples minds or their votes, the Times has a misleading title.
https://twitter.com/rae_sc/status/809542795040006144
However Rogue One is not a terrible film.
Ind 550 Con 213 LD 102 Lab 71 UKIP 47
https://twitter.com/allahpundit/status/809542466617704448
"White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest added that it was "pretty obvious" that Mr Putin was involved."
A open-and-shut case!
It's also amazing how much some very establishment types are suddenly not establishment when the moment is right.
LDem 440
Con 139
Ind 39
The Tories are in trouble across southern England because of Brexit.
LDem 680
Con 470
UKIP 89
Lab 81
Let us never forget Jeb godddamn Bush and Hillary bloody Clinton pitching, at various times, as outsiders. That's how silly the world is.
https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/809549345922097152
Has Morris Dancer been tutoring you in history ? It would explain a few things.
Tear down this wall Mr Gorbachev.
A clean sweep
LD 838
Con 631
Ind 169
Lab 103
UKIP 98
Ind 68
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4039080/GCHQ-fear-German-spies-t-trusted.html
Looks like the UK already knows all it needs to.....
Perhaps it's because Corbyn is so crap. Perhaps it's because Farron has managed to motivate the membership to go knocking on doors. Perhaps it's because there are quite a few Remain and/or Soft Brexit voters looking for a home. Perhaps it's a little bit of all of these, or something completely different.
But those who choose to deny it are putting prejudices before data.
Now, what did Garak say about coincidences?
Or something else...
Having been through similar experiences myself, they are always deeply unpleasant. You have my sympathy.
Great pix to start the day - 2016 National Geographic Nature Photographer of the Year competition winner and runners up. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-38288359
Labour down except in Blackburn and UKIP fails to make impression
Britain Elects @britainelects 6h6 hours ago
Bovey (Teignbridge) result:
LDEM: 43.9% (+20.3)
CON: 33.1% (-4.2)
IND: 8.9% (-1.5)
LAB: 5.4% (-7.4)
UKIP: 5.1% (+5.1)
IND: 3.6% (+3.6)
Britain Elects @britainelects 7h7 hours ago
Chudleigh (Teignbridge):
LDEM: 51.5% (+38.8)
CON: 35.6% (+2.8)
UKIP: 6.7% (+6.7)
LAB: 6.1% (-8.8)
Ind(s) and Grn didn't stand this time.
Blackdown (Taunton Deane) result:
LDEM: 71.2% (+49.9)
CON: 22.5% (-30.4)
IND: 6.3% (+6.3)
Other Ind and Grn didn't stand this time round.
Britain Elects @britainelects 7h7 hours ago
Moreton Hall (St Edmundsbury) result:
IND: 56.0% (+22.4)
CON: 21.7% (-22.1)
LDEM: 10.4% (+10.4)
LAB: 7.2% (-15.4)
UKIP: 4.8% (+4.8)
Britain Elects @britainelects 7h7 hours ago
Welshpool Llanerchyddol (Powys) result:
IND: 48.9% (+48.9)
LDEM: 32.1% (-17.7)
CON: 19.1% (+19.1)
Britain Elects @britainelects 7h7 hours ago
Leven, Kennoway & Largo (Fife) result:
SNP: 37.0% (-4.1)
LAB: 28.4% (-6.9)
CON: 18.5% (+11.7)
LDEM: 14.3% (+4.3)
GRN: 1.8% (+1.8)
Britain Elects @britainelects 8h8 hours ago
Higher Croft (Blackburn) result:
LAB: 58.2% (+12.1)
UKIP: 25.0% (-8.3)
CON: 16.7% (-3.8)
LDs have gone from being NOTA to then being one of the above, and now are back to NOTA as people judge that they don't pose enough of a threat actually to get into government.
It is not a good thing for the LDs.
The LibDems first priority is to avoid wipe out as the array count is reduced from 650 to 600. A recovery in local by-elections is a necessary but not sufficient condition for this.
I'm amused that some on here are still loudly criticising Farron. It seems he's doing what is needed.