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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,911

    On topic, Hammond should have stood this year, rather than leaving the Remainer side of the contest as a free run for May. If he ever wanted to be PM.

    The fact he didn't suggests that occupying No. 11 is the height of his ambition, and I think he will leave the cabinet at the same time as May.

    He's a politician. If a faction in the party spontaneously emerged that saw him as the best way of stopping Johnson or whomever else, do you really think he would decline the chance to be PM?
  • Pity he couldn't have done this a year ago.
    Will he resign as an MEP?
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    If you are relying on the betting for Hammond to succeed May; then don't.

    His head will be on the chopping block before many months have past.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,911
    Scott_P said:
    “This populism, that started in America and spread across the world..."
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    edited November 2016
    Mr. K, a TV series is a great thought but I think that must follow a stack of sales rather than precede it (unless you have an HBO contact you'd like to share, of course).

    Edited extra bit: and thanks :)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,768
    GeoffM said:

    tyson said:

    Dadge said:

    Hammond reminds me of my dad.

    Funny that.......you've just struck a sentimental chord with me...........Hammond reminds me of my dad too....... And that perhaps is the most positive thing I have ever said about a politician........
    Before the PB hagiography hits the stratosphere, Hammond is ridiculously complacent on the state of NHS and social care finance.
    Yeah yeah yeah, NHS doomed etc etc.
    It must be that time of year again.
    You dont live in the UK do you?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    “This populism, that started in America and spread across the world..."

    :smile:
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    PlatoSaid said:
    Do we no the verdict of the judges in this trial?
  • Make America Wait Again news: Stein has filed in all three states
    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58366a41e4b000af95eddc30?

    What is the point? Bush vs Gore was down to 500 votes and the outcome wasn't changed.

    Trump is up around 10k votes in Michigan, 28k in Wisconsin and 68k in Pennsylvania. The odds of all 3 of these states being overturned have to be miniscule.

    And if any were overturned, no doubt Trump could ask for recounts in New Hampshire (Clinton by 3k) and Minnesota (Clinton by 40k).

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654

    Make America Wait Again news: Stein has filed in all three states
    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58366a41e4b000af95eddc30?

    What is the point? Bush vs Gore was down to 500 votes and the outcome wasn't changed.

    Trump is up around 10k votes in Michigan, 28k in Wisconsin and 68k in Pennsylvania. The odds of all 3 of these states being overturned have to be miniscule.

    And if any were overturned, no doubt Trump could ask for recounts in New Hampshire (Clinton by 3k) and Minnesota (Clinton by 40k).

    New Hampshire votes are certified, so he can't ask in New Hampshire. Minnesota he could - again it would be a waste of time.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    tyson said:

    Dadge said:

    Hammond reminds me of my dad.

    Funny that.......you've just struck a sentimental chord with me...........Hammond reminds me of my dad too....... And that perhaps is the most positive thing I have ever said about a politician........
    Before the PB hagiography hits the stratosphere, Hammond is ridiculously complacent on the state of NHS and social care finance.
    I reckon it's the boy who cried wolf syndrome.

    Every winter there's stories and warnings that the NHS is about to keel over because of under funding, whilst the NHS is the second largest spending department, and one of the few departments to have its spending been ringfenced
    Unfortunately the NHS is crumbling from internal problems as well as underfunding from misspent billions in the past two or three decades. The NHS needs a root and branch reform - less bureaucracy, fewer dizzy but more able managers and more experienced nursing and medical staff.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Make America Wait Again news: Stein has filed in all three states
    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58366a41e4b000af95eddc30?

    What is the point? Bush vs Gore was down to 500 votes and the outcome wasn't changed.

    Trump is up around 10k votes in Michigan, 28k in Wisconsin and 68k in Pennsylvania. The odds of all 3 of these states being overturned have to be miniscule.

    And if any were overturned, no doubt Trump could ask for recounts in New Hampshire (Clinton by 3k) and Minnesota (Clinton by 40k).

    New Hampshire votes are certified, so he can't ask in New Hampshire. Minnesota he could - again it would be a waste of time.
    When does Minnesota time out?
  • MikeK said:

    FPT.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38089702
    Nigel Farage warns of 'seismic shock' if Brexit not delivered

    He says almost exactly what I wrote on here yesterday.

    Farage still spouting the same old crap about career politicians - having been one himself since 1999.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    edited November 2016

    GeoffM said:

    tyson said:

    Dadge said:

    Hammond reminds me of my dad.

    Funny that.......you've just struck a sentimental chord with me...........Hammond reminds me of my dad too....... And that perhaps is the most positive thing I have ever said about a politician........
    Before the PB hagiography hits the stratosphere, Hammond is ridiculously complacent on the state of NHS and social care finance.
    Yeah yeah yeah, NHS doomed etc etc.
    It must be that time of year again.
    You dont live in the UK do you?
    Yes I do, although currently part time because of the cold, the rain and the anti-Semitism.

    I pay UK tax both as an individual and as director of a UK company, own my UK house, registered with my local UK GP and am on the UK electoral roll.

    Just out of morbid curiosity; what point were you headed towards if you hadn't been so wrong?
  • @georgeeaton: For first time since 2010, Tories outflanked by Labour on pensioners - McDonnell commits to the triple-lock.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654
    edited November 2016

    @georgeeaton: For first time since 2010, Tories outflanked by Labour on pensioners - McDonnell commits to the triple-lock.

    On the radio this morning McDonnell was complaining that the Tories weren't investing in the economy.

    Welfare and pension spending is the antithesis of capital investment for the economy.

    Are Labour being deliberately thick ?
  • The CSU has set a limit of 200k asylum seekers per year as a condition of going into a governing coalition with the CDU after the German election.

    I don't suppose Merkel is losing much sleep over this. The CDU is unlikely to need the CSU for another grand coalition, and it's hard to imagine the CSU sitting on its hands and allowing, say, a red/red/green coalition to take over. Seehofer, the CSU leader, can say what he likes, but he has no real power to dictate policy.
  • Pulpstar said:

    @georgeeaton: For first time since 2010, Tories outflanked by Labour on pensioners - McDonnell commits to the triple-lock.

    On the radio this morning McDonnell was complaining that the Tories weren't investing in the economy.

    Welfare and pension spending is the antithesis of capital investment for the economy.

    Are Labour being deliberately thick ?
    It's almost like Labour have looked at the polling and seen which age group turns out to vote more than others.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,333

    @georgeeaton: For first time since 2010, Tories outflanked by Labour on pensioners - McDonnell commits to the triple-lock.

    I don't think it will make much difference. Corbyn is poison for older voters, I think that's why Hammond is taking rhe calculated risk of axing the triple lock.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654
    edited November 2016

    Pulpstar said:

    @georgeeaton: For first time since 2010, Tories outflanked by Labour on pensioners - McDonnell commits to the triple-lock.

    On the radio this morning McDonnell was complaining that the Tories weren't investing in the economy.

    Welfare and pension spending is the antithesis of capital investment for the economy.

    Are Labour being deliberately thick ?
    It's almost like Labour have looked at the polling and seen which age group turns out to vote more than others.
    Why bang on about investment if you're just going to bung the money to pensions and welfare though. Combined that is an enormous slice of the Gov't budget.

    It'd be better off going to the NHS (Capital investment), and no not into staff pay packets. No PFI either.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,422
    edited November 2016
    In many way [Hammond is] very much like John Major was in the final days of Mrs. Thatcher.

    Surely Theresa May can't be on her final days already?

    And... Depressing, but entirely predictable, the people who will pay for Brexit are those that voted for it, so things would change.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,448
    edited November 2016
    I think it's unlikely Phil will remain CoE for the whole of this Parliament. Can't see him being next PM.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,296

    Pulpstar said:

    @georgeeaton: For first time since 2010, Tories outflanked by Labour on pensioners - McDonnell commits to the triple-lock.

    On the radio this morning McDonnell was complaining that the Tories weren't investing in the economy.

    Welfare and pension spending is the antithesis of capital investment for the economy.

    Are Labour being deliberately thick ?
    It's almost like Labour have looked at the polling and seen which age group turns out to vote more than others.
    Unfortunately for Labour, they are the age group that can remember what this country was like before 1979.
  • @georgeeaton: For first time since 2010, Tories outflanked by Labour on pensioners - McDonnell commits to the triple-lock.

    The age group that regularly turns out to vote the most, but also likes Corbyn the least. Hmm
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,422
    GIN1138 said:

    I think it's unlikely Phil will remain CoE for the whole of this Parliament. Can't see him being next PM.

    There is an opening for Labour if Tories restart their Euro wars on the fallout of Brexit: Leaver headbangers versus Remainers undermining the project. I don't see Corbyn taking advantage of the opening however.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,333
    GIN1138 said:

    I think it's unlikely Phil will remain CoE for the whole of this Parliament. Can't see him being next PM.

    Now that all of the bad news is out of the way he will stick around on the basis if beating his current targets and Brexit being much better than feared. Yesterday was an exercise of expectations management, nothing else. Look at how little red meat and policy action there was. A small change to lettings agency fees, a couple of billion for housing and a couple of billion for road infrastructure. Everything else was just forecasts based on nothing.
  • The CSU has set a limit of 200k asylum seekers per year as a condition of going into a governing coalition with the CDU after the German election.

    I don't suppose Merkel is losing much sleep over this. The CDU is unlikely to need the CSU for another grand coalition, and it's hard to imagine the CSU sitting on its hands and allowing, say, a red/red/green coalition to take over. Seehofer, the CSU leader, can say what he likes, but he has no real power to dictate policy.
    The CSU and CDU are practically the same party. The grand coalition is between CDU/CSU and the SPD.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,985
    The Chief Executive of Pink News was just on R5L, talking about the murders of the four gay men in London, and the reporting thereof. It was a very good interview, and he came across very well. If only other media figures were quite as reasonable.

    Worth catching up on if you get the chance.
  • Scott_P said:
    Otoh, please do hold your breath, Nigel.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,985

    MikeK said:

    FPT.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38089702
    Nigel Farage warns of 'seismic shock' if Brexit not delivered

    He says almost exactly what I wrote on here yesterday.

    Farage still spouting the same old crap about career politicians - having been one himself since 1999.
    It's also telling that he says: "Obama and all those ghastly people, are out and the Trump people are in."
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,713
    FF43 said:

    In many way [Hammond is] very much like John Major was in the final days of Mrs. Thatcher.

    Surely Theresa May can't be on her final days already?

    And... Depressing, but entirely predictable, the people who will pay for Brexit are those that voted for it, so things would change.

    Yeah you keep banging out this line, but ignore that they're better placed to know what's good for them than you are.

    If 2 decades of being in the EU have only delivered stagnant salaries, dying industries and moribund regions then why would people vote for more of the same ? When you've faced up to those hard facts then maybe you can come back and tell us why staying in the EU would be different this time.
  • The CSU has set a limit of 200k asylum seekers per year as a condition of going into a governing coalition with the CDU after the German election.

    I don't suppose Merkel is losing much sleep over this. The CDU is unlikely to need the CSU for another grand coalition, and it's hard to imagine the CSU sitting on its hands and allowing, say, a red/red/green coalition to take over. Seehofer, the CSU leader, can say what he likes, but he has no real power to dictate policy.
    The CSU and CDU are practically the same party. The grand coalition is between CDU/CSU and the SPD.
    Yes, I know the situation. The CSU represents the centre right in Bavaria, while Merkel's CDU does so in the rest of the country. I meant that if there were to be another grand coalition (with the SPD), then the coalition would likely have a majority even without the CSU. Sorry if I wasn't being clear.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,713

    The CSU has set a limit of 200k asylum seekers per year as a condition of going into a governing coalition with the CDU after the German election.

    I don't suppose Merkel is losing much sleep over this. The CDU is unlikely to need the CSU for another grand coalition, and it's hard to imagine the CSU sitting on its hands and allowing, say, a red/red/green coalition to take over. Seehofer, the CSU leader, can say what he likes, but he has no real power to dictate policy.
    The CSU and CDU are practically the same party. The grand coalition is between CDU/CSU and the SPD.
    Yes, I know the situation. The CSU represents the centre right in Bavaria, while Merkel's CDU does so in the rest of the country. I meant that if there were to be another grand coalition (with the SPD), then the coalition would likely have a majority even without the CSU. Sorry if I wasn't being clear.
    And chunk of the German righties will ask why they're voting CDU to put the SPD in to power and the AfD vote will just get bigger. Merkel has to face up to why the AfD are taking votes across the Laender, currently she has no plan.
  • Make America Wait Again news: Stein has filed in all three states
    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58366a41e4b000af95eddc30?

    What is the point? Bush vs Gore was down to 500 votes and the outcome wasn't changed.

    Trump is up around 10k votes in Michigan, 28k in Wisconsin and 68k in Pennsylvania. The odds of all 3 of these states being overturned have to be miniscule.

    And if any were overturned, no doubt Trump could ask for recounts in New Hampshire (Clinton by 3k) and Minnesota (Clinton by 40k).

    Yup, I think the theory is that they'll uncover voting-machine-related skulduggery, but even if such a thing had happened, it's not clear that you'd be able to unambiguously detect it (this is what technical people are always bitching about) and even if you'd detected it, it's not obvious what you could do about it; You can't really rerun the election, and all the states in question are run by Republicans so they're not going to consent to anything that would change the outcome.

    That said, there's something to be said for some extra scrutiny on American's abysmal voting machines, and presumably Stein will be able to buy something nice with the money she's raising off it.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,416
    Farage at 15-1 is awful odds... Sadiq at 50-1 is tempting...

    Assuming a corbyn loss- Sadiq would have a good platform to run. He can tell Corbynite that he helpede put Corbyn on the ballot; and tell the rest he is an election winner. He has a great back story too...
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,422

    FF43 said:

    In many way [Hammond is] very much like John Major was in the final days of Mrs. Thatcher.

    Surely Theresa May can't be on her final days already?

    And... Depressing, but entirely predictable, the people who will pay for Brexit are those that voted for it, so things would change.

    Yeah you keep banging out this line, but ignore that they're better placed to know what's good for them than you are.

    If 2 decades of being in the EU have only delivered stagnant salaries, dying industries and moribund regions then why would people vote for more of the same ? When you've faced up to those hard facts then maybe you can come back and tell us why staying in the EU would be different this time.
    Of course the status quo means no difference. I am dismayed that those that benefited from EU membership and globalisation didn't stop to help those left behind while they had the chance. The people not facing up to hard facts are those that sold the idea of leaving the EU as a way of doing something about stagnant salaries, dying industries and moribund industries, and still haven't explained why leaving the European trading system and turning away from eight out of our ten most important markets will help those situations, rather than make them worse.

    But I agree on your main point. Democracy means we get the result we asked for. It doesn't protect us from our dumb decisions, nor should we try to circumvent it.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,713
    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    In many way [Hammond is] very much like John Major was in the final days of Mrs. Thatcher.

    Surely Theresa May can't be on her final days already?

    And... Depressing, but entirely predictable, the people who will pay for Brexit are those that voted for it, so things would change.

    Yeah you keep banging out this line, but ignore that they're better placed to know what's good for them than you are.

    If 2 decades of being in the EU have only delivered stagnant salaries, dying industries and moribund regions then why would people vote for more of the same ? When you've faced up to those hard facts then maybe you can come back and tell us why staying in the EU would be different this time.
    Of course the status quo means no difference. I am dismayed that those that benefited from EU membership and globalisation didn't stop to help those left behind while they had the chance. The people not facing up to hard facts are those that sold the idea of leaving the EU as a way of doing something about stagnant salaries, dying industries and moribund industries, and still haven't explained why leaving the European trading system and turning away from eight out of our ten most important markets will help those situations, rather than make them worse.

    But I agree on your main point. Democracy means we get the result we asked for. It doesn't protect us from our dumb decisions, nor should we try to circumvent it.
    The people who didnt share the benefits are the same people who were camapigning for Remain and who made it clear we were voting for more of the same if they won.

    Brexit was the only way to get rid of the buggers and the populace took it.
  • The CSU has set a limit of 200k asylum seekers per year as a condition of going into a governing coalition with the CDU after the German election.

    I don't suppose Merkel is losing much sleep over this. The CDU is unlikely to need the CSU for another grand coalition, and it's hard to imagine the CSU sitting on its hands and allowing, say, a red/red/green coalition to take over. Seehofer, the CSU leader, can say what he likes, but he has no real power to dictate policy.
    The CSU and CDU are practically the same party. The grand coalition is between CDU/CSU and the SPD.
    Yes, I know the situation. The CSU represents the centre right in Bavaria, while Merkel's CDU does so in the rest of the country. I meant that if there were to be another grand coalition (with the SPD), then the coalition would likely have a majority even without the CSU. Sorry if I wasn't being clear.
    And chunk of the German righties will ask why they're voting CDU to put the SPD in to power and the AfD vote will just get bigger. Merkel has to face up to why the AfD are taking votes across the Laender, currently she has no plan.
    According to the opinion polls, support for the AfD seems to have been steady at about 12-13% since about March of this year. It now seems, if anything, to be dwindling a little. Merkel still commands a great deal of respect, even outside of her own party, and shouldn't be written off yet.

    http://www.sonntagsfrage-aktuell.de/index.php?site=aktuelles
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Brexit was the only way to get rid of the buggers and the populace took it.

    How many of "them" are gone?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,422

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    In many way [Hammond is] very much like John Major was in the final days of Mrs. Thatcher.

    Surely Theresa May can't be on her final days already?

    And... Depressing, but entirely predictable, the people who will pay for Brexit are those that voted for it, so things would change.

    Yeah you keep banging out this line, but ignore that they're better placed to know what's good for them than you are.

    If 2 decades of being in the EU have only delivered stagnant salaries, dying industries and moribund regions then why would people vote for more of the same ? When you've faced up to those hard facts then maybe you can come back and tell us why staying in the EU would be different this time.
    Of course the status quo means no difference. I am dismayed that those that benefited from EU membership and globalisation didn't stop to help those left behind while they had the chance. The people not facing up to hard facts are those that sold the idea of leaving the EU as a way of doing something about stagnant salaries, dying industries and moribund industries, and still haven't explained why leaving the European trading system and turning away from eight out of our ten most important markets will help those situations, rather than make them worse.

    But I agree on your main point. Democracy means we get the result we asked for. It doesn't protect us from our dumb decisions, nor should we try to circumvent it.
    The people who didnt share the benefits are the same people who were camapigning for Remain and who made it clear we were voting for more of the same if they won.

    Brexit was the only way to get rid of the buggers and the populace took it.
    Sure. Nevertheless they will be screwed. Even more than before.

    I regret that, but it's irrelevant, I guess.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,713

    The CSU has set a limit of 200k asylum seekers per year as a condition of going into a governing coalition with the CDU after the German election.

    I don't suppose Merkel is losing much sleep over this. The CDU is unlikely to need the CSU for another grand coalition, and it's hard to imagine the CSU sitting on its hands and allowing, say, a red/red/green coalition to take over. Seehofer, the CSU leader, can say what he likes, but he has no real power to dictate policy.
    The CSU and CDU are practically the same party. The grand coalition is between CDU/CSU and the SPD.
    Yes, I know the situation. The CSU represents the centre right in Bavaria, while Merkel's CDU does so in the rest of the country. I meant that if there were to be another grand coalition (with the SPD), then the coalition would likely have a majority even without the CSU. Sorry if I wasn't being clear.
    And chunk of the German righties will ask why they're voting CDU to put the SPD in to power and the AfD vote will just get bigger. Merkel has to face up to why the AfD are taking votes across the Laender, currently she has no plan.
    According to the opinion polls, support for the AfD seems to have been steady at about 12-13% since about March of this year. It now seems, if anything, to be dwindling a little. Merkel still commands a great deal of respect, even outside of her own party, and shouldn't be written off yet.

    http://www.sonntagsfrage-aktuell.de/index.php?site=aktuelles
    The polls in Germany have consistently underestimated AfD support by 3-4% so they are as accurate a guide as those for Brexit or Trump.

    Yesterday FAZ was bewailing the strength of the AfD in the East where even on the iffy polling they are in second place.

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/umfrage-afd-kommt-in-sachsen-auf-25-prozent-14539303.html
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,963
    edited November 2016
    rkrkrk said:

    Farage at 15-1 is awful odds... Sadiq at 50-1 is tempting...

    Assuming a corbyn loss- Sadiq would have a good platform to run. He can tell Corbynite that he helpede put Corbyn on the ballot; and tell the rest he is an election winner. He has a great back story too...

    As with Ed Balls, there's a question over how he'd be back in Parliament in time. Balls at 100/1 I just about thought worth a punt, Khan at 50/1 I'm not so sure.

    EDIT: To clarify, that's Balls @ 100/1 for next Labour leader, not next PM.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    FF43 said:

    I regret that, but it's irrelevant, I guess.

    It's relevant if they start to apportion blame
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,713
    Scott_P said:

    Brexit was the only way to get rid of the buggers and the populace took it.

    How many of "them" are gone?
    How's Dave n George ?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    How's Dave n George ?

    George is fine, and Dave is thriving.

    So £60bn (so far) to swap a Tory PM for a Tory PM

    Bargain...
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    I still can't get over Reddit CEO personally editing posts, he didn't even show that he did. Imagine what damage a mere mod could do to someone's reputation, nevermind the CEO?!

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2252970/now-reddit-is-censoring-the-alt-right-after-founder-gets-fed-up-of-being-called-a-paedo/
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,713
    Scott_P said:

    FF43 said:

    I regret that, but it's irrelevant, I guess.

    It's relevant if they start to apportion blame
    LOL when do people ever blame themselves ?

    It's about as likely as politicans "learning the lessons "
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,713
    edited November 2016
    Scott_P said:

    How's Dave n George ?

    George is fine, and Dave is thriving.

    So £60bn (so far) to swap a Tory PM for a Tory PM

    Bargain...
    Better quality of PM frankly, so yes bargain.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    edited November 2016

    LOL when do people ever blame themselves ?

    It's about as likely as politicans "learning the lessons "

    No, Brexiteers will never blame themselves, but some voters might just think "these fuckers lied to me"

    https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/photo/1
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,333
    I've been reviewing the PSF release from yesterday, working out where the OBR get their fantasy figures from, it's not easy. I think we're looking at an annual deficit of about £61-65bn this year, vs £68.2bn outlined by the OBR. The improvement in tax receipts for September and October have been huge and given how much self employment there is I think January will be another record for self-assessed income. Depending on where the final figure comes in, if I'm right £122bn additional borrowing could become £87bn additional borrowing. What would the cost of Brexit be in that scenario?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,713
    Scott_P said:

    LOL when do people ever blame themselves ?

    It's about as likely as politicans "learning the lessons "

    No, Beexiteers will never blame themselves, but some voters might just think "these fuckers lied to me"

    https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/photo/1
    Of course, that's exactly what the voters said on Brexit - the fuckers - George and Dave and Tony and Gordon had lied and got a kicking as a result.

  • Scott_P said:

    LOL when do people ever blame themselves ?

    It's about as likely as politicans "learning the lessons "

    No, Brexiteers will never blame themselves, but some voters might just think "these fuckers lied to me"

    https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/photo/1

    Cameron lied, Osborne lied, Johnson lied, Gove lied. They all lied.

    The moral of the story?

    Never, ever trust a Tory ;-)

  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,963
    Scott_P said:

    LOL when do people ever blame themselves ?

    It's about as likely as politicans "learning the lessons "

    No, Brexiteers will never blame themselves, but some voters might just think "these fuckers lied to me"

    https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/photo/1
    The ones who expected unemployment to skyrocket after a vote to leave?

    No, not after actually leaving or triggering Article 50.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,713

    Scott_P said:

    LOL when do people ever blame themselves ?

    It's about as likely as politicans "learning the lessons "

    No, Brexiteers will never blame themselves, but some voters might just think "these fuckers lied to me"

    https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/photo/1

    Cameron lied, Osborne lied, Johnson lied, Gove lied. They all lied.

    The moral of the story?

    Never, ever trust a Tory ;-)

    Lying Tory bastards :-)
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Fox
    Steven Avery, the man at the center of Netflix's "Making a Murderer," could be one step closer to freedom https://t.co/FBG7KtbZKZ
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,709
    edited November 2016

    Scott_P said:

    LOL when do people ever blame themselves ?

    It's about as likely as politicans "learning the lessons "

    No, Brexiteers will never blame themselves, but some voters might just think "these fuckers lied to me"

    https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/photo/1

    Cameron lied, Osborne lied, Johnson lied, Gove lied. They all lied.

    The moral of the story?

    Never, ever trust a Tory ;-)

    TBF the Labour leadership would have told equally outrageous counter-balancing lies if they hadn't been so shit at politics.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,333
    I see we're going round in circles today. Time for me to be productive I guess.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,422
    Fuc
    king
    hell

    The Mail are somewhat sympathetic to that being a motive for murdering Jo Cox,as are those that comment there.

    And as Thomas Mair seems to be a mentally damaged individual, it raises the question of who might have been manipulating him and whether there should be other people behind bars.
  • Mr. Eagles, that Mail headline is astoundingly bad.

    On your other post - the far right has been greatly helped by the playing of the race card over migration and 'cultural sensitivities' over Rotherham and the like. I also think the media are salivating over far right hatred and terrorism whilst being rather less gungho over Muslim terrorism. Unless they treat such things with an even hand, that'll only help the Neo-Nazis by fostering resentment at yet more double standards.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,296
    edited November 2016
    FF43 said:

    And as Thomas Mair seems to be a mentally damaged individual, it raises the question of who might have been manipulating him and whether there should be other people behind bars.

    I thought he wasn't mentally ill?
  • PlatoSaid said:

    There's so many ways to data mine. This is rather fun.

    Claire Lehmann
    This is some pretty sophisticated data-mining. How Trump's son-in-law got him elected via Moneyball tactics https://t.co/Cy4L5NlWRa https://t.co/YCmYgIXdmu

    Not wholly consistent with the storyline that Trump won because he eschewed big data but fascinating nonetheless. There is a Forbes piece at: http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenbertoni/2016/11/22/exclusive-interview-how-jared-kushner-won-trump-the-white-house/
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,985
    European Parliament votes to recommend the suspension of accession talks with Turkey.

    Hardly surprising.

    Also playing into this will be the various and numerous military figures who have applied for asylum within the EU.
  • EU countries just can't get enough of referendum votes:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38075644
  • If you want to boost Paddy Power's profits, this is the market for you

    https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/801763737153765376
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,407
    edited November 2016
    @ProfChalmers: For the record, five paragraphs in: "his true motive will never be known". BUT NEVER MIND THAT.

    Twenty-two paragraphs in: white supremacist links going back to at least 1991. BUT NEVER MIND THAT.
  • Whilst we fret about whether Hammond will be PM or not, the world sea ice density has undergone a strange, so-far unexplained, effect leaving at at record lows:

    http://tinyletter.com/sciencebyericholthaus/letters/today-in-weather-climate-sea-ice-tipping-point-edition-monday-november-21th
  • On topic, Hammond should have stood this year, rather than leaving the Remainer side of the contest as a free run for May. If he ever wanted to be PM.

    The fact he didn't suggests that occupying No. 11 is the height of his ambition, and I think he will leave the cabinet at the same time as May.

    I suspect the Cabinet is ram-packed full of ministers rueing their decision not to stand against juggernaut Boris.
  • If you want to boost Paddy Power's profits, this is the market for you

    https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/801763737153765376

    As usual with these sorts of specials, the only one that makes any appeal is the shortest price. NB I'm not backing it myself.
  • Mr. Eagles, I didn't say the playing of the race card and so forth had led to the murder of Jo Cox or the killer becoming a nutcase. I said it had helped the far right.

    If you were referring to the media, I should've been a little clearer (I mostly meant broadcast, rather than print, media).

    Also worth recalling the FT article (think it was Lionel Barber) after the Charlie Hebdo attack that sought to all but blame the victims for having the temerity to exercise free speech.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    I suspect the Cabinet is ram-packed full of ministers rueing their decision not to stand against juggernaut Boris.

    I suspect there are more thanking their stars they can wash their hands of the Brexit disaster as it unfolds and collect the crown as the "I told you so" candidate
  • Anyway, I must be off for a bit.
  • Mr. Eagles, I didn't say the playing of the race card and so forth had led to the murder of Jo Cox or the killer becoming a nutcase. I said it had helped the far right.

    If you were referring to the media, I should've been a little clearer (I mostly meant broadcast, rather than print, media).

    Also worth recalling the FT article (think it was Lionel Barber) after the Charlie Hebdo attack that sought to all but blame the victims for having the temerity to exercise free speech.

    Apologies, vanilla managed to save and post my draft of another with that post, I had edited, so it wasn't replying to you.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Anyway, I must be off for a bit.

    Don't spend all of that book pre-order windfall at once!
  • DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194

    They got a bargain

    "George Osborne paid £320,000 for delivering speeches in America"

    Did he get a receipt? What happened to the skilful headline writers? :)

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,259
    Reading the incomplete thread title I thought it was first to leave the Cabinet.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Tube drivers will strike for 24 hours on same day as rail walkout

  • Try to wangle an invitation to shadsy's Christmas party. It will be a good one this year as he's persuaded some clueless mug to put enough on Farage for next PM to cut him to 16/1.
  • 18% of men are a bunch of absolute minging bastards

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/801769874854973440
  • 18% of men are a bunch of absolute minging bastards

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/801769874854973440

    Any figs for how many days blokes wear their wives' pants?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    All Hail Brexit...

    @PaulBrandITV: Paul Johnson of IFS pulls no punches:By 2021 wages STILL below 2008, worst growth for 70 yrs "One cannot stress enough how dreadful that is"
  • 18% of men are a bunch of absolute minging bastards

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/801769874854973440

    Any figs for how many days blokes wear their wives' pants?
    That question that wasn't asked.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    edited November 2016
    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/801772247744741376


    Poll finding of the week. LEAVE voters more likely to NOT to wash their pants/knickers after each wear


    Not entirely surprising. If Leave voters are poorer then they are less likely to have their own washing facilities or have as many duplicates they need until they can re-wash them.

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,259
    Scott_P said:
    Reading between the lines 'good relationships at all levels' etc. it would appear that Hammond et al are still going to be getting their orders from somewhere, endeavouring to circumvent/ignore Trump like the proverbial elephant in the room.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,333

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/801772247744741376


    Poll finding of the week. LEAVE voters more likely to NOT to wash their pants/knickers after each wear


    Not entirely surprising. If Leave voters are poorer then they are less likely to have their own washing facilities or have as many duplicates they need until they can re-wash them.

    I think it's probably the male/female split, men were more likely to he leave voters and women broke for remain.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,713

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/801772247744741376


    Poll finding of the week. LEAVE voters more likely to NOT to wash their pants/knickers after each wear


    Not entirely surprising. If Leave voters are poorer then they are less likely to have their own washing facilities or have as many duplicates they need until they can re-wash them.

    Scott likes to laugh at the less well off, it's "intellectual" .
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,259
    One can only hope he develops a taste for it.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Scott likes to laugh at the less well off, it's "intellectual" .

    Fuck off
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,259

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/801772247744741376


    Poll finding of the week. LEAVE voters more likely to NOT to wash their pants/knickers after each wear


    Not entirely surprising. If Leave voters are poorer then they are less likely to have their own washing facilities or have as many duplicates they need until they can re-wash them.

    Scott likes to laugh at the less well off, it's "intellectual" .
    That must present a challenge for him.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    That must present a challenge for him.

    It was OGH that tweeted it genius
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