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I think that's a fair reflection. Lynton Crosby will squeeze UKIP on the right as you mentioned int he previous article, but I think it will also push more disaffected Lib Dems into the arms of Labour. I think the other factor to take into account is that a lot of people seem very disaffected at the moment, especially on the left, so many might just not bother voting or vote Green or some other type of protest vote since the Lib Dems are seen to be in bed with the Tories.
What I think we can all agree on is that Labour's poll lead seems very soft at the moment, and the last thing Ed needs is accusations of impropriety with regards to Labour's union relationship as it will seem very grubby.
"I thought knighthoods used only to be handed out to great sportsmen on their retirement. I'd find it embarrassing to be saddled with one while still competing and no doubt motivating your opponents to try even harder. Andy should decline if offered." ......................................................................
Not so. Even recently Sir Wiggo, Sir Hoyo and Sir Ainslo all competed or will compete whilst dubbed.
Cameron "Can't think of anyone who deserves a knighthood more than Andy Murray...."
Wouldn't it be wonderful if he turned it down. I thought yesterday when he didn't bow to the Royal that the signs were good....
You must have been in Villeneuve-sur-mer in June 2003.
Take note of the following Telegraph contemporaneous article:
The long-standing tradition of Wimbledon's Centre Court players bowing or curtseying to the Royal Box has been scrapped.
The order, which comes into immediate effect, was issued yesterday by the Duke of Kent, President of the All England Lawn Tennis and Croquet Club since 1969, who has deemed it an anachronism in modern times.
The only exception would be if the Queen or the Prince of Wales attended, which is about as likely as a British player winning a Wimbledon singles championship.
The only change to have been introduced since is that Gentlemen Players are now permitted to bow when Pippa Middleton departs from the Royal Box.
Aargh, curse of the new thread strikes again. FPT:
Royal baby news... Apparently it is to have the official title 'Prince/Princess of Cambridge'
Which is nice.
But I care much more about making money out of this hapless sprog.
So far, betting wise, over the last few months i've laid everything under 14/1 on BF's baby name market. As long as it's not one of the favourites, I should make about a hundred quid with a max liability of £150.
Gender-wise, I'm not believing the bollocks in the press - I'm pretty sure the gender is a 50/50 shot. Given the skewed odds therefore, I'm heavily invested in it being a boy (I'm on between 6/4 & 2/1). Still available from coral at 11/8, which I'd recommend if any casual punters fancy a flutter.
Aargh, curse of the new thread strikes again. FPT:
Royal baby news... Apparently it is to have the official title 'Prince/Princess of Cambridge'
Which is nice.
But I care much more about making money out of this hapless sprog.
So far, betting wise, over the last few months i've laid everything under 14/1 on BF's baby name market. As long as it's not one of the favourites, I should make about a hundred quid with a max liability of £150.
Gender-wise, I'm not believing the bollocks in the press - I'm pretty sure the gender is a 50/50 shot. Given the skewed odds therefore, I'm heavily invested in it being a boy (I'm on between 6/4 & 2/1). Still available from coral at 11/8, which I'd recommend if any casual punters fancy a flutter.
With Andy Murray mania in full swing perhaps the royal couple might name a boy .... Prince Murray .... but after Murray Walker too and in honour of Morris Dancer and his F1 threads and posts !!
How can a dukedom have princely titles attached to it? Surely the title should be Prince/Princess X of Cambridge.
Because the childs father is also HRH Prince William of Wales, just as Prince Andrew's children are HRH Princess of York whilst he is also Duke of York.
Aargh, curse of the new thread strikes again. FPT:
Royal baby news... Apparently it is to have the official title 'Prince/Princess of Cambridge'
Which is nice.
But I care much more about making money out of this hapless sprog.
So far, betting wise, over the last few months i've laid everything under 14/1 on BF's baby name market. As long as it's not one of the favourites, I should make about a hundred quid with a max liability of £150.
Gender-wise, I'm not believing the bollocks in the press - I'm pretty sure the gender is a 50/50 shot. Given the skewed odds therefore, I'm heavily invested in it being a boy (I'm on between 6/4 & 2/1). Still available from coral at 11/8, which I'd recommend if any casual punters fancy a flutter.
With Andy Murray mania in full swing perhaps the royal couple might name a boy .... Prince Murray .... but after Murray Walker too and in honour of Morris Dancer and his F1 threads and posts !!
OT, is anyone else getting an ad on the site from an organization called En Campaigns that claims to be somehow associated with the Department of Business saying it will support entrepreneurs, but with "support" and "entrepreneurs" spelled wrong?
Jeez, listen to yourselves. You get all upset when someone lampoons Cameron or Milliband, calling them fop, or Wallace, but think it's fair game for Salmond to be ridiculed. It's almost as if you're scared, or something.
How can a dukedom have princely titles attached to it? Surely the title should be Prince/Princess X of Cambridge.
Because the child's father is also HRH Prince William of Wales, just as Prince Andrew's children are HRH Princess of York whilst he is also Duke of York.
I think the distinction is between Prince X of Y and Prince of Y, the latter implies the holder is a prince in his own right (by virtue of holding a principality).
How can a dukedom have princely titles attached to it? Surely the title should be Prince/Princess X of Cambridge.
Because the child's father is also HRH Prince William of Wales, just as Prince Andrew's children are HRH Princess of York whilst he is also Duke of York.
I think the distinction is between Prince X of Y and Prince of Y.
The distinction is because Andrew is son of a living monarch whilst William is son of the heir to the throne who is Prince of Wales. Further HM has ordered that the children of the heir to the heir to the throne should also be HRH of Cambridge.
Aargh, curse of the new thread strikes again. FPT:
Royal baby news... Apparently it is to have the official title 'Prince/Princess of Cambridge'
Which is nice.
But I care much more about making money out of this hapless sprog.
So far, betting wise, over the last few months i've laid everything under 14/1 on BF's baby name market. As long as it's not one of the favourites, I should make about a hundred quid with a max liability of £150.
Gender-wise, I'm not believing the bollocks in the press - I'm pretty sure the gender is a 50/50 shot. Given the skewed odds therefore, I'm heavily invested in it being a boy (I'm on between 6/4 & 2/1). Still available from coral at 11/8, which I'd recommend if any casual punters fancy a flutter.
With Andy Murray mania in full swing perhaps the royal couple might name a boy .... Prince Murray .... but after Murray Walker too and in honour of Morris Dancer and his F1 threads and posts !!
Aargh, curse of the new thread strikes again. FPT:
Royal baby news... Apparently it is to have the official title 'Prince/Princess of Cambridge'
Which is nice.
But I care much more about making money out of this hapless sprog.
So far, betting wise, over the last few months i've laid everything under 14/1 on BF's baby name market. As long as it's not one of the favourites, I should make about a hundred quid with a max liability of £150.
Gender-wise, I'm not believing the bollocks in the press - I'm pretty sure the gender is a 50/50 shot. Given the skewed odds therefore, I'm heavily invested in it being a boy (I'm on between 6/4 & 2/1). Still available from coral at 11/8, which I'd recommend if any casual punters fancy a flutter.
I backed some of Kate's great & Grandparents names ie Peter (grandad who died as they were engaged) at 250/1 and 50s, Olive (great gran who started the family business) and Valerie both at 66s
Dorothy, Edith and Constance are the others I wanted to back but couldn't find prices
Aargh, curse of the new thread strikes again. FPT:
Royal baby news... Apparently it is to have the official title 'Prince/Princess of Cambridge'
Which is nice.
But I care much more about making money out of this hapless sprog.
So far, betting wise, over the last few months i've laid everything under 14/1 on BF's baby name market. As long as it's not one of the favourites, I should make about a hundred quid with a max liability of £150.
Gender-wise, I'm not believing the bollocks in the press - I'm pretty sure the gender is a 50/50 shot. Given the skewed odds therefore, I'm heavily invested in it being a boy (I'm on between 6/4 & 2/1). Still available from coral at 11/8, which I'd recommend if any casual punters fancy a flutter.
With Andy Murray mania in full swing perhaps the royal couple might name a boy .... Prince Murray .... but after Murray Walker too and in honour of Morris Dancer and his F1 threads and posts !!
The distinction is because Andrew is son of a living monarch whilst William is son of the heir to the throne who is Prince of Wales. Further HM has ordered that the children of the heir to the heir to the throne should also be HRH of Cambridge.
Sorry I added an extra sentence to my previous post to clarify what I was nattering on about.
I don't buy that distinctions - that would mean there is a principality of Cambridge somewhere, given that there is now a Prince/Princess of it.
Aargh, curse of the new thread strikes again. FPT:
Royal baby news... Apparently it is to have the official title 'Prince/Princess of Cambridge'
Which is nice.
But I care much more about making money out of this hapless sprog.
So far, betting wise, over the last few months i've laid everything under 14/1 on BF's baby name market. As long as it's not one of the favourites, I should make about a hundred quid with a max liability of £150.
Gender-wise, I'm not believing the bollocks in the press - I'm pretty sure the gender is a 50/50 shot. Given the skewed odds therefore, I'm heavily invested in it being a boy (I'm on between 6/4 & 2/1). Still available from coral at 11/8, which I'd recommend if any casual punters fancy a flutter.
I backed some of Kate's great & Grandparents names ie Peter (grandad who died as they were engaged) at 250/1 and 50s, Olive (great gran who started the family business) and Valerie both at 66s
Dorothy, Edith and Constance are the others I wanted to back but couldn't find prices
Aargh, curse of the new thread strikes again. FPT:
Royal baby news... Apparently it is to have the official title 'Prince/Princess of Cambridge'
Which is nice.
But I care much more about making money out of this hapless sprog.
So far, betting wise, over the last few months i've laid everything under 14/1 on BF's baby name market. As long as it's not one of the favourites, I should make about a hundred quid with a max liability of £150.
Gender-wise, I'm not believing the bollocks in the press - I'm pretty sure the gender is a 50/50 shot. Given the skewed odds therefore, I'm heavily invested in it being a boy (I'm on between 6/4 & 2/1). Still available from coral at 11/8, which I'd recommend if any casual punters fancy a flutter.
I backed some of Kate's great & Grandparents names ie Peter (grandad who died as they were engaged) at 250/1 and 50s, Olive (great gran who started the family business) and Valerie both at 66s
Dorothy, Edith and Constance are the others I wanted to back but couldn't find prices
Are you sure you are not mistaking the genealogy of the Middleton family for a roll-call at a UKIP primary?
"that there were three reasons Conservative voters were turning their backs on the party: immigration, welfare, and the economy. The last reason was the most important driver, but the European Union was not the top reason. It is of course a contributing factor to other problems, particularly immigration."
"I thought knighthoods used only to be handed out to great sportsmen on their retirement. I'd find it embarrassing to be saddled with one while still competing and no doubt motivating your opponents to try even harder. Andy should decline if offered." ......................................................................
Not so. Even recently Sir Wiggo, Sir Hoyo and Sir Ainslo all competed or will compete whilst dubbed.
apparently the rot started with sir stanley matthews in 1965
The distinction is because Andrew is son of a living monarch whilst William is son of the heir to the throne who is Prince of Wales. Further HM has ordered that the children of the heir to the heir to the throne should also be HRH of Cambridge.
Sorry I added an extra sentence to my previous post to clarify what I was nattering on about.
I don't buy that distinctions - that would mean there is a principality of Cambridge somewhere, given that there is now a Prince/Princess of it.
All fascinatingly dull stuff...
You're a little confused. Outside the title Prince of Wales the title prince does not infer a principality. Children of the monarch are Prince/ess of the United Kingdom.
When Andrew was made Duke of York he didn't become Prince of York although his children as bodies of the male heir general are Princesses with the added territorial designation of their father - York.
The last time we had a living monarch with three generational heirs was in 1894 when Prince Edward, later Edward VIII was born to Queen Victoria's grandson - later George V.
Our present Queen has departed early from the 19th precedence as Edward was only His Highness Prince Edward of York for the first four years of his life.
The following taken from Wiki :
23 June 1894 – 28 May 1898: His Highness Prince Edward of York 28 May 1898 – 22 January 1901: His Royal Highness Prince Edward of York[100] 22 January 1901 – 9 November 1901: His Royal Highness Prince Edward of Cornwall and York 9 November 1901 – 6 May 1910: His Royal Highness Prince Edward of Wales 6 May 1910 – 23 June 1910: His Royal Highness The Duke of Cornwall 23 June 1910 – 20 January 1936: His Royal Highness The Prince of Wales in Scotland: 1910–1936: His Royal Highness The Prince Edward, Duke of Rothesay
20 January 1936 – 11 December 1936: His Majesty The King and, occasionally, outside the United Kingdom, and with regard to India: His Imperial Majesty The King-Emperor
Aargh, curse of the new thread strikes again. FPT:
Royal baby news... Apparently it is to have the official title 'Prince/Princess of Cambridge'
Which is nice.
But I care much more about making money out of this hapless sprog.
So far, betting wise, over the last few months i've laid everything under 14/1 on BF's baby name market. As long as it's not one of the favourites, I should make about a hundred quid with a max liability of £150.
Gender-wise, I'm not believing the bollocks in the press - I'm pretty sure the gender is a 50/50 shot. Given the skewed odds therefore, I'm heavily invested in it being a boy (I'm on between 6/4 & 2/1). Still available from coral at 11/8, which I'd recommend if any casual punters fancy a flutter.
I backed some of Kate's great & Grandparents names ie Peter (grandad who died as they were engaged) at 250/1 and 50s, Olive (great gran who started the family business) and Valerie both at 66s
Dorothy, Edith and Constance are the others I wanted to back but couldn't find prices
I'll give you any name you want (that isn't listed on oddschecker) at 66/1, for a fiver a shot.
I could kind of see her point until it turned out her kids are called Poppy and India
My daughter has played with both of her children.
What I found amusing was that when Ms Hopkins first aired her views about class and the names of children, my Ex declared on CiF that she would never let her children play with Poppy and India, entirely ignorant of the fact that her first born already had done so.
You're a little confused. Outside the title Prince of Wales the title prince does not infer a principality. Children of the monarch are Prince/ess of the United Kingdom.
When Andrew was made Duke of York he didn't become Prince of York although his children as bodies of the male heir general are Princesses with the added territorial designation of their father - York.
The last time we had a living monarch with three generational heirs was in 1894 when Prince Edward, later Edward VIII was born to Queen Victoria's grandson - later George V.
Our present Queen has departed early from the 19th precedence as Edward was only His Highness Prince Edward of York for the first four years of his life.
The following taken from Wiki :
The subtle difference is between "Y, Prince of X", and Prince Y of X. Charles is "Charles, Prince of Wales", whereas his son is "Prince William of Wales". Now I'm fairly confident this is just the Mail getting it wrong in its article, but Williams son (let's say) shouldn't be "Bob, Prince of Cambridge", implying there is a principality, he should be "Prince Bob of Cambridge", giving him a princely title attached to his fathers ducal holdings.
@JackW We should not of course forget the short-lived Principality of Chester, created by His late Majesty Richard II on 25 September 1397, but extant for barely two years.
You're a little confused. Outside the title Prince of Wales the title prince does not infer a principality. Children of the monarch are Prince/ess of the United Kingdom.
When Andrew was made Duke of York he didn't become Prince of York although his children as bodies of the male heir general are Princesses with the added territorial designation of their father - York.
The last time we had a living monarch with three generational heirs was in 1894 when Prince Edward, later Edward VIII was born to Queen Victoria's grandson - later George V.
Our present Queen has departed early from the 19th precedence as Edward was only His Highness Prince Edward of York for the first four years of his life.
The following taken from Wiki :
The subtle difference is between "Y, Prince of X", and Prince Y of X. Charles is "Charles, Prince of Wales", whereas his son is "Prince William of Wales". Now I'm fairly confident this is just the Mail getting it wrong in its article, but Williams son (let's say) shouldn't be "Bob, Prince of Cambridge", implying there is a principality, he should be "Prince Bob of Cambridge", giving him a princely title attached to his fathers ducal holdings.
@JackW We should not of course forget the short-lived Principality of Chester, created by His late Majesty Richard II on 25 September 1397, but extant for barely two years.
You're a little confused. Outside the title Prince of Wales the title prince does not infer a principality. Children of the monarch are Prince/ess of the United Kingdom.
When Andrew was made Duke of York he didn't become Prince of York although his children as bodies of the male heir general are Princesses with the added territorial designation of their father - York.
The last time we had a living monarch with three generational heirs was in 1894 when Prince Edward, later Edward VIII was born to Queen Victoria's grandson - later George V.
Our present Queen has departed early from the 19th precedence as Edward was only His Highness Prince Edward of York for the first four years of his life.
The following taken from Wiki :
The subtle difference is between "Y, Prince of X", and Prince Y of X. Charles is "Charles, Prince of Wales", whereas his son is "Prince William of Wales". Now I'm fairly confident this is just the Mail getting it wrong in its article, but Williams son (let's say) shouldn't be "Bob, Prince of Cambridge", implying there is a principality, he should be "Prince Bob of Cambridge", giving him a princely title attached to his fathers ducal holdings.
Forget all this antiquated nonsense. The child's grandmother was very fond of eighties bands and musicians, and therefore there can only be one possible name for a boy:
You're a little confused. Outside the title Prince of Wales the title prince does not infer a principality. Children of the monarch are Prince/ess of the United Kingdom.
When Andrew was made Duke of York he didn't become Prince of York although his children as bodies of the male heir general are Princesses with the added territorial designation of their father - York.
The last time we had a living monarch with three generational heirs was in 1894 when Prince Edward, later Edward VIII was born to Queen Victoria's grandson - later George V.
Our present Queen has departed early from the 19th precedence as Edward was only His Highness Prince Edward of York for the first four years of his life.
The following taken from Wiki :
The subtle difference is between "Y, Prince of X", and Prince Y of X. Charles is "Charles, Prince of Wales", whereas his son is "Prince William of Wales". Now I'm fairly confident this is just the Mail getting it wrong in its article, but Williams son (let's say) shouldn't be "Bob, Prince of Cambridge", implying there is a principality, he should be "Prince Bob of Cambridge", giving him a princely title attached to his fathers ducal holdings.
Forget all this antiquated nonsense. The child's grandmother was very fond of eighties bands and musicians, and therefore there can only be one possible name for a boy:
"Prince, The Artist Formerly Known As"
If it is a girl, we could have 'Princess Princess'
FPT: SouthamObserver said: » show previous quotes We'll be in drought by the end of the summer, you mark my words!
I don't know what the above post is trying to prove. This hot weather is destined to last about two weeks, ± a couple of days, which hopefully will provide good sunny days for The Open golf championship at Muirfield, which starts july 18th.
After that no doubt we will have the start of glacier growth and a winter not seen since the mid 17th century.
Impossible to assess without a comparison with past polling, and I doubt if there has been any. But I rather think you'd have got very similar results at other times, or indeed for other parties, such as for Labour members under Blair (when he had been in government for a while).
You're a little confused. Outside the title Prince of Wales the title prince does not infer a principality. Children of the monarch are Prince/ess of the United Kingdom.
When Andrew was made Duke of York he didn't become Prince of York although his children as bodies of the male heir general are Princesses with the added territorial designation of their father - York.
The last time we had a living monarch with three generational heirs was in 1894 when Prince Edward, later Edward VIII was born to Queen Victoria's grandson - later George V.
Our present Queen has departed early from the 19th precedence as Edward was only His Highness Prince Edward of York for the first four years of his life.
The following taken from Wiki :
The subtle difference is between "Y, Prince of X", and Prince Y of X. Charles is "Charles, Prince of Wales", whereas his son is "Prince William of Wales". Now I'm fairly confident this is just the Mail getting it wrong in its article, but Williams son (let's say) shouldn't be "Bob, Prince of Cambridge", implying there is a principality, he should be "Prince Bob of Cambridge", giving him a princely title attached to his fathers ducal holdings.
Forget all this antiquated nonsense. The child's grandmother was very fond of eighties bands and musicians, and therefore there can only be one possible name for a boy:
"Prince, The Artist Formerly Known As"
If it is a girl, we could have 'Princess Princess'
In fact, they could call her 'Margaret Rose' or 'Elizabeth' and there would be a locomotive ready-named for her. And it would be a superb LMS loco made in Crewe, rather than any of this GWR, LNER or Southern rubbish. ;-)
Which reminds me, it's been twenty years since I last visited the Midland Railway Centre. I should go again...
Aargh, curse of the new thread strikes again. FPT:
Royal baby news... Apparently it is to have the official title 'Prince/Princess of Cambridge'
Which is nice.
But I care much more about making money out of this hapless sprog.
So far, betting wise, over the last few months i've laid everything under 14/1 on BF's baby name market. As long as it's not one of the favourites, I should make about a hundred quid with a max liability of £150.
Gender-wise, I'm not believing the bollocks in the press - I'm pretty sure the gender is a 50/50 shot. Given the skewed odds therefore, I'm heavily invested in it being a boy (I'm on between 6/4 & 2/1). Still available from coral at 11/8, which I'd recommend if any casual punters fancy a flutter.
I backed some of Kate's great & Grandparents names ie Peter (grandad who died as they were engaged) at 250/1 and 50s, Olive (great gran who started the family business) and Valerie both at 66s
Dorothy, Edith and Constance are the others I wanted to back but couldn't find prices
I'll give you any name you want (that isn't listed on oddschecker) at 66/1, for a fiver a shot.
Ok I'll have a fiver at 66s Dorothy Edith Constance and Olivia please
I firmly believe that NOM remains a buy, but you have to be willing to sit it out for the long haul (hope springs eternal, whether you're a Labour supporter or a Conservative supporter). I've been a NOM buyer since 2010 and it will remain my default setting.
Impossible to assess without a comparison with past polling, and I doubt if there has been any. But I rather think you'd have got very similar results at other times, or indeed for other parties, such as for Labour members under Blair (when he had been in government for a while).
Not really - there were plenty of Labour people who didn't like Blair, especially over Iraq, but they mostly left the party. By 2008 Labour's remaining membership were predominantly hard-bitten loyalists or people who positively approved of Iraq and TB's other tradsemark policies. What should worry the Tories is that they've lost loads of members, continued to lose members even when they were gaining seats, and now seem to have significant contin uing unhappiness among the remaining members. It's like a tooth which the dentist desperately tries to save with more and more filling, but which keeps decaying underneath.
Remarkable London poll there - in this case more about Labour gains than anyone else's decline.
Impossible to assess without a comparison with past polling, and I doubt if there has been any. But I rather think you'd have got very similar results at other times, or indeed for other parties, such as for Labour members under Blair (when he had been in government for a while).
Conservative Party membership has, however, more than halved under Cameron. That's a lot of people voting with their feet. It's true that Labour's membership is also at a very low figure, by historical standards.
Aargh, curse of the new thread strikes again. FPT:
Royal baby news... Apparently it is to have the official title 'Prince/Princess of Cambridge'
Which is nice.
But I care much more about making money out of this hapless sprog.
So far, betting wise, over the last few months i've laid everything under 14/1 on BF's baby name market. As long as it's not one of the favourites, I should make about a hundred quid with a max liability of £150.
Gender-wise, I'm not believing the bollocks in the press - I'm pretty sure the gender is a 50/50 shot. Given the skewed odds therefore, I'm heavily invested in it being a boy (I'm on between 6/4 & 2/1). Still available from coral at 11/8, which I'd recommend if any casual punters fancy a flutter.
I backed some of Kate's great & Grandparents names ie Peter (grandad who died as they were engaged) at 250/1 and 50s, Olive (great gran who started the family business) and Valerie both at 66s
Dorothy, Edith and Constance are the others I wanted to back but couldn't find prices
I'll give you any name you want (that isn't listed on oddschecker) at 66/1, for a fiver a shot.
Ok I'll have a fiver at 66s Dorothy Edith Constance and Olivia please
Ok, Terms: has to be main, official first name. Middle names don't count.
4x singles: Dorothy Edith Constance and Olivia, £5 on each at 66/1
Total stake £20
Voids on miscarriage, or if baby not born in 2013. PFP to adjudicate.
If you're happy, paste the above terms into an email to PFP - arklebar@gmail.com
Impossible to assess without a comparison with past polling, and I doubt if there has been any. But I rather think you'd have got very similar results at other times, or indeed for other parties, such as for Labour members under Blair (when he had been in government for a while).
Not really - there were plenty of Labour people who didn't like Blair, especially over Iraq, but they mostly left the party. By 2008 Labour's remaining membership were predominantly hard-bitten loyalists or people who positively approved of Iraq and TB's other tradsemark policies. What should worry the Tories is that they've lost loads of members, continued to lose members even when they were gaining seats, and now seem to have significant contin uing unhappiness among the remaining members. It's like a tooth which the dentist desperately tries to save with more and more filling, but which keeps decaying underneath.
Remarkable London poll there - in this case more about Labour gains than anyone else's decline.
The swing to Labour in London (8.5%) is above the national swing in most polls (7%) but not markedly so.
Impossible to assess without a comparison with past polling, and I doubt if there has been any. But I rather think you'd have got very similar results at other times, or indeed for other parties, such as for Labour members under Blair (when he had been in government for a while).
Not really - there were plenty of Labour people who didn't like Blair, especially over Iraq, but they mostly left the party. By 2008 Labour's remaining membership were predominantly hard-bitten loyalists or people who positively approved of Iraq and TB's other tradsemark policies. What should worry the Tories is that they've lost loads of members, continued to lose members even when they were gaining seats, and now seem to have significant contin uing unhappiness among the remaining members. It's like a tooth which the dentist desperately tries to save with more and more filling, but which keeps decaying underneath.
Remarkable London poll there - in this case more about Labour gains than anyone else's decline.
Nick are you sure it was 2008 .... really, really sure.
The swing to Labour in London should concern you more.
And the very low ratings of Ed Miliband amongst Labour supporters should terrify you.
I guess they just have higher expectations. Blair spoiled them. After 100 years of opposition between them the Tories and Lib Dems would have settled for anyone who got them into no10.
Conservative Party membership has, however, more than halved under Cameron. That's a lot of people voting with their feet. It's true that Labour's membership is also at a very low figure, by historical standards.
There are multiple trends and effects combining here, so it's hard to distinguish which ones are most important. However, I think the long-term trend of reduced engagement with societies and clubs of all kinds is probably the biggest - you get the same effect in all political parties, organisations like the scouts, churches, and many more, and this is true across all Western countries.
Of course, it's also easier to fire up supporters when you're in opposition, especially if it looks as though you have a chance of throwing out the other lot.
Gender-wise, I'm not believing the bollocks in the press - I'm pretty sure the gender is a 50/50 shot. Given the skewed odds therefore, I'm heavily invested in it being a boy (I'm on between 6/4 & 2/1). Still available from coral at 11/8, which I'd recommend if any casual punters fancy a flutter.
Sex is key. If the market is right, and it is already known to be a girl, clearly that rules out the boys' names. If the market is wrong and it is still 50/50, then boys' names are likely to be overpriced. So research where the "it's a girl" story originated.
If it is 50/50, then probably the best course is to forget names and place 16 per cent of your bank on boys at 6/4 (according to the Kelly criterion).
Aargh, curse of the new thread strikes again. FPT:
Royal baby news... Apparently it is to have the official title 'Prince/Princess of Cambridge'
Which is nice.
But I care much more about making money out of this hapless sprog.
So far, betting wise, over the last few months i've laid everything under 14/1 on BF's baby name market. As long as it's not one of the favourites, I should make about a hundred quid with a max liability of £150.
Gender-wise, I'm not believing the bollocks in the press - I'm pretty sure the gender is a 50/50 shot. Given the skewed odds therefore, I'm heavily invested in it being a boy (I'm on between 6/4 & 2/1). Still available from coral at 11/8, which I'd recommend if any casual punters fancy a flutter.
I backed some of Kate's great & Grandparents names ie Peter (grandad who died as they were engaged) at 250/1 and 50s, Olive (great gran who started the family business) and Valerie both at 66s
Dorothy, Edith and Constance are the others I wanted to back but couldn't find prices
I'll give you any name you want (that isn't listed on oddschecker) at 66/1, for a fiver a shot.
Ok I'll have a fiver at 66s Dorothy Edith Constance and Olivia please
Ok, Terms: has to be main, official first name. Middle names don't count.
4x singles: Dorothy Edith Constance and Olivia, £5 on each at 66/1
Total stake £20
Voids on miscarriage, or if baby not born in 2013. PFP to adjudicate.
If you're happy, paste the above terms into an email to PFP - arklebar@gmail.com
Good luck!
Sorry Sam - obviously, I meant Peter the Punter - PtP. Not PfP (Peter from Putney)
LAB gain Simon Hughes' seat on this polling I guess ? I'd chuckle if that happened.
Me too. Got to be one of the most slimy MPs of the last 3 decades, and he has been up against vast numbers of formidable rivals.
Actually my opinion of Simon Hughes has markedly improved. He might have been one of the awkward squad but has been remarkably loyal to the Coalition, which of course is an extremely positive position to hold !!
... I think the long-term trend of reduced engagement with societies and clubs of all kinds is probably the biggest - you get the same effect in all political parties, organisations like the scouts, churches, and many more, and this is true across all Western countries.
Of course, it's also easier to fire up supporters when you're in opposition, especially if it looks as though you have a chance of throwing out the other lot.
Ho ho. Are you sure about that Richard? "All political parties"? I can name one that has doubled in membership in recent years, and it is not in opposition either.
Your world may stop at Watford Gap, but the real one doesn't.
@Jonathan - Brave words. As one of the very few people who has consistently assessed Ed Miliband from the start - not as bad as most Labour supporters thought in the first year of his leadership, not as good as most Labour supporters fooled themselves into thinking in the second year - I have to say I am amazed at Labour complacency about him (assuming it's not just a brave face, of course). If anything, he has diminished in the role; he certainly hasn't grown into it.
Good enough to get into No 10? Maybe, given the massive challenges the coalition faces in the most difficult economic times for a generation. But good enough to be a half-decent PM, in what will remain difficult conditions with the likely added complication of a hung parliament or very small majority? That question should terrify you, especially since your front-bench team is also unusually weak at the moment.
Conservative Party membership has, however, more than halved under Cameron. That's a lot of people voting with their feet. It's true that Labour's membership is also at a very low figure, by historical standards.
There are multiple trends and effects combining here, so it's hard to distinguish which ones are most important. However, I think the long-term trend of reduced engagement with societies and clubs of all kinds is probably the biggest - you get the same effect in all political parties, organisations like the scouts, churches, and many more, and this is true across all Western countries.
Of course, it's also easier to fire up supporters when you're in opposition, especially if it looks as though you have a chance of throwing out the other lot.
In Horsham, the Scouts has a massive waiting list and there are a number of warehouse churches packed out on Sundays. No shortage of clubs either.
Political parties are out of date. Why be a member? It's just work and a lot of stick.
Conservative Party membership has, however, more than halved under Cameron. That's a lot of people voting with their feet. It's true that Labour's membership is also at a very low figure, by historical standards.
There are multiple trends and effects combining here, so it's hard to distinguish which ones are most important. However, I think the long-term trend of reduced engagement with societies and clubs of all kinds is probably the biggest - you get the same effect in all political parties, organisations like the scouts, churches, and many more, and this is true across all Western countries.
Of course, it's also easier to fire up supporters when you're in opposition, especially if it looks as though you have a chance of throwing out the other lot.
That's the thing. The Conservatives were losing members, even in opposition. It's certainly not the case that the churches, scouts etc. have seen membership halve in 7 years.
"General Election 2010: Conservatives lead in 100 key seats, Telegraph poll shows
The Conservatives are on course for a convincing election victory after a new poll for The Daily Telegraph showed the party is leading Labour by 12 points in crucial marginal constituencies."
@Jonathan - Brave words. As one of the very few people who has consistently assessed Ed Miliband from the start - not as bad as most Labour supporters thought in the first year of his leadership, not as good as most Labour supporters fooled themselves into thinking in the second year - I have to say I am amazed at Labour complacency about him (assuming it's not just a brave face, of course). If anything, he has diminished in the role; he certainly hasn't grown into it.
Good enough to get into No 10? Maybe, given the massive challenges the coalition faces in the most difficult economic times for a generation. But good enough to be a half-decent PM, in what will remain difficult conditions with the likely added complication of a hung parliament or very small majority? That question should terrify you, especially since your front-bench team is also unusually weak at the moment.
Personally I find EdM a real puzzle. Sometimes he is rather good and is an intriguing prospect for PM. Intelligent and quietly determined in an Attleesque kind of way. On the other hand, he sometimes he bores me to tears.
I am feeling very non-partisan at the moment. I am glad that the coalition is making progress on some fronts at last. Taken them an age to overcome their own mistakes.
All front bench teams are quite weak at the moment IMO. Nothing to be terrified about though. Cheer up!
Ed Miliband should allow an open primary in Falkirk The best way for Ed Miliband and Unite to lance this boil is to trust local people, says Sarah Wollaston.
Personally I find EdM a real puzzle. Sometimes he is rather good and is an intriguing prospect for PM. Intelligent and quietly determined in an Attleesque kind of way. On the other hand, he sometimes he bores me to tears.
I think that William Hague is the nearest comparison. He became a cabinet minister at a young age and with relatively little political experience, became leader too early (and maybe was never the right personality for the role anyway), but he has since grown into being a really heavyweight politicians. Perhaps Ed Miliband would or will follow a similar trajectory; he's bright, he's personable, he's hard to dislike, he evidently thinks about issues and strategy - but he doesn't give the impression of being on top of things. The recent Tom Watson shenanigans gives the strong impression that the big bruisers were running things behind the scenes (and I don't mean just selections, but the policy mix as well.)
You should have chosen Ed Balls. At least there would have been no doubt whatsoever about who was in charge.
@tim If the state is going to get into the business of financing primary elections on a serious basis(which I'm not in principle opposed to), then those elections must be regulated by electoral law. They can't simply be left to the political parties to administer, nor can they be conducted according to the party rulebooks alone. If Miliband is prepared to accept that, good on him, but somehow I doubt he will.
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What I think we can all agree on is that Labour's poll lead seems very soft at the moment, and the last thing Ed needs is accusations of impropriety with regards to Labour's union relationship as it will seem very grubby.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/07/exclusive-how-the-tories-plan-to-attack-ukip/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=exclusive-how-the-tories-plan-to-attack-ukip
I agree that Andy Murray should probably get a knighthood — but when he's a bit older, not when he's only 26!
"I thought knighthoods used only to be handed out to great sportsmen on their retirement. I'd find it embarrassing to be saddled with one while still competing and no doubt motivating your opponents to try even harder. Andy should decline if offered."
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Not so. Even recently Sir Wiggo, Sir Hoyo and Sir Ainslo all competed or will compete whilst dubbed.
Cameron "Can't think of anyone who deserves a knighthood more than Andy Murray...."
Wouldn't it be wonderful if he turned it down. I thought yesterday when he didn't bow to the Royal that the signs were good....
You must have been in Villeneuve-sur-mer in June 2003.
Take note of the following Telegraph contemporaneous article:
The long-standing tradition of Wimbledon's Centre Court players bowing or curtseying to the Royal Box has been scrapped.
The order, which comes into immediate effect, was issued yesterday by the Duke of Kent, President of the All England Lawn Tennis and Croquet Club since 1969, who has deemed it an anachronism in modern times.
The only exception would be if the Queen or the Prince of Wales attended, which is about as likely as a British player winning a Wimbledon singles championship.
The only change to have been introduced since is that Gentlemen Players are now permitted to bow when Pippa Middleton departs from the Royal Box.
Royal baby news... Apparently it is to have the official title 'Prince/Princess of Cambridge'
Which is nice.
But I care much more about making money out of this hapless sprog.
So far, betting wise, over the last few months i've laid everything under 14/1 on BF's baby name market. As long as it's not one of the favourites, I should make about a hundred quid with a max liability of £150.
Gender-wise, I'm not believing the bollocks in the press - I'm pretty sure the gender is a 50/50 shot. Given the skewed odds therefore, I'm heavily invested in it being a boy (I'm on between 6/4 & 2/1). Still available from coral at 11/8, which I'd recommend if any casual punters fancy a flutter.
Have I missed any other royal baby value bets?
http://www.oddschecker.com/novelty/william-and-kate/
Alex Salmond is due to join the Prime Minister when entertaining Sir Andrew Murray for tea in Downing Street at 4:00 this afternoon.
Scotland's First Minister agreed to attend after being informed that chocolate profiteroles will be served.
HRH Prince Murray of Cambridge.
If it is a girl I think Elizabeth is very, very, likely.
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Maybe George?
I backed some of Kate's great & Grandparents names ie Peter (grandad who died as they were engaged) at 250/1 and 50s, Olive (great gran who started the family business) and Valerie both at 66s
Dorothy, Edith and Constance are the others I wanted to back but couldn't find prices
Lab 38%
Con 30%
LD 10%
That looks like a hung parliament to me once we move out of mid-term. The LDs will get about 15% due to personal votes.
I don't buy that distinctions - that would mean there is a principality of Cambridge somewhere, given that there is now a Prince/Princess of it.
All fascinatingly dull stuff...
I could kind of see her point until it turned out her kids are called Poppy and India
Quite a lot if it's Kyle, according to this teacher (second letter down):
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/letters/letters-selfreliance-is-no-joking-matter-8693660.html
Next point of panic is when the Lab maj price starts to resemble the Con maj price.
Unless of course you mean he has a bet on it
Additionally - don't recall, but may be JackW can help - wasn't there a James-over-the-water that would confuse the count?
Just sayin'
Setting aside its nuances, I voted for Katie as she was the looker.
Must be something to do with twit school.
"that there were three reasons Conservative voters were turning their backs on the party: immigration, welfare, and the economy. The last reason was the most important driver, but the European Union was not the top reason. It is of course a contributing factor to other problems, particularly immigration."
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/07/exclusive-how-the-tories-plan-to-attack-ukip/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=exclusive-how-the-tories-plan-to-attack-ukip
My favourite would be king Maximus. How cool would that be?!
When Andrew was made Duke of York he didn't become Prince of York although his children as bodies of the male heir general are Princesses with the added territorial designation of their father - York.
The last time we had a living monarch with three generational heirs was in 1894 when Prince Edward, later Edward VIII was born to Queen Victoria's grandson - later George V.
Our present Queen has departed early from the 19th precedence as Edward was only His Highness Prince Edward of York for the first four years of his life.
The following taken from Wiki :
23 June 1894 – 28 May 1898: His Highness Prince Edward of York
28 May 1898 – 22 January 1901: His Royal Highness Prince Edward of York[100]
22 January 1901 – 9 November 1901: His Royal Highness Prince Edward of Cornwall and York
9 November 1901 – 6 May 1910: His Royal Highness Prince Edward of Wales
6 May 1910 – 23 June 1910: His Royal Highness The Duke of Cornwall
23 June 1910 – 20 January 1936: His Royal Highness The Prince of Wales in Scotland: 1910–1936: His Royal Highness The Prince Edward, Duke of Rothesay
20 January 1936 – 11 December 1936: His Majesty The King and, occasionally, outside the United Kingdom, and with regard to India: His Imperial Majesty The King-Emperor
Betting on the other hand ....
What I found amusing was that when Ms Hopkins first aired her views about class and the names of children, my Ex declared on CiF that she would never let her children play with Poppy and India, entirely ignorant of the fact that her first born already had done so.
James VII/II son was the Jacobite King James VIII/III and a very fine chap too as my avatar indicates !!
We should not of course forget the short-lived Principality of Chester, created by His late Majesty Richard II on 25 September 1397, but extant for barely two years.
Jack W is ....
Titters ....
"Prince, The Artist Formerly Known As"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bZSC-av8t4
If it is a girl, we could have 'Princess Princess'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlLKNxDbsi8
Although oldsters may prefer to think of the Austin Princess:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_Princess
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=princess+elizabeth+engine&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.48705608,d.d2k&biw=1366&bih=538&wrapid=tlif137329464010210&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=PtDaUcPgC6nJ0AXFx4GgAQ
"Prince Valley of Cambridge"
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We'll be in drought by the end of the summer, you mark my words!
I don't know what the above post is trying to prove. This hot weather is destined to last about two weeks, ± a couple of days, which hopefully will provide good sunny days for The Open golf championship at Muirfield, which starts july 18th.
After that no doubt we will have the start of glacier growth and a winter not seen since the mid 17th century.
Nothing about economic policy or anything else which is disappointing. Had they got bad polling on that then it would be a story.
In fact, they could call her 'Margaret Rose' or 'Elizabeth' and there would be a locomotive ready-named for her. And it would be a superb LMS loco made in Crewe, rather than any of this GWR, LNER or Southern rubbish. ;-)
Which reminds me, it's been twenty years since I last visited the Midland Railway Centre. I should go again...
Remarkable London poll there - in this case more about Labour gains than anyone else's decline.
Ok, Terms: has to be main, official first name. Middle names don't count.
4x singles: Dorothy Edith Constance and Olivia, £5 on each at 66/1
Total stake £20
Voids on miscarriage, or if baby not born in 2013. PFP to adjudicate.
If you're happy, paste the above terms into an email to PFP - arklebar@gmail.com
Good luck!
Is Ashcroft planning on doing a Scottish VI poll, cos nobody else seems to be interested.
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@GuidoFawkes And yet - irrelevant as I apparently should be - you do a very good impression of someone who is scared of me
Of course, it's also easier to fire up supporters when you're in opposition, especially if it looks as though you have a chance of throwing out the other lot.
If it is 50/50, then probably the best course is to forget names and place 16 per cent of your bank on boys at 6/4 (according to the Kelly criterion).
Doing well as mayor of London (net)
OA : +37
Con: +85
Lab: +13
LD: + 41
UKIP: +51
Sorry Sam - obviously, I meant Peter the Punter - PtP. Not PfP (Peter from Putney)
Your world may stop at Watford Gap, but the real one doesn't.
Good enough to get into No 10? Maybe, given the massive challenges the coalition faces in the most difficult economic times for a generation. But good enough to be a half-decent PM, in what will remain difficult conditions with the likely added complication of a hung parliament or very small majority? That question should terrify you, especially since your front-bench team is also unusually weak at the moment.
Political parties are out of date. Why be a member? It's just work and a lot of stick.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7591249/General-Election-2010-Conservatives-lead-in-100-key-seats-Telegraph-poll-shows.html
(I don't fancy publishing my main email on here, for obvious reasons)
I am feeling very non-partisan at the moment. I am glad that the coalition is making progress on some fronts at last. Taken them an age to overcome their own mistakes.
All front bench teams are quite weak at the moment IMO. Nothing to be terrified about though. Cheer up!
You should have chosen Ed Balls. At least there would have been no doubt whatsoever about who was in charge.
If the state is going to get into the business of financing primary elections on a serious basis(which I'm not in principle opposed to), then those elections must be regulated by electoral law. They can't simply be left to the political parties to administer, nor can they be conducted according to the party rulebooks alone. If Miliband is prepared to accept that, good on him, but somehow I doubt he will.