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  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Of course, if you simply cannot wait until tomorrow to discuss the thrilling (and profitable!) race, the pre-race piece is there for you: http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/germany-pre-race.html
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    The odds on the Royal Baby being called Andrew have fallen from 50/1 or 66/1 to 15/1 or so at most bookies. Surely the couple made their choices a while ago and won't be swayed by a sporting event? You never know, I guess.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,854
    RobD said:

    Pretty sure he's out for good. The Home Secretary can just ban him from entering at her discretion. Of course, that is assuming the border people spot him and stop him!

    Big assumption. Anyway, aren't his wife and children here? Right to family life and all that.

    Might just cause the Mail to self combust!

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,854
    Quincel said:

    The odds on the Royal Baby being called Andrew have fallen from 50/1 or 66/1 to 15/1 or so at most bookies. Surely the couple made their choices a while ago and won't be swayed by a sporting event? You never know, I guess.

    Diana Andrea? Or Andrea Diana?

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,112

    RobD said:

    Pretty sure he's out for good. The Home Secretary can just ban him from entering at her discretion. Of course, that is assuming the border people spot him and stop him!

    Big assumption. Anyway, aren't his wife and children here? Right to family life and all that.

    Might just cause the Mail to self combust!

    Interesting thought. I assumed you would have to be in the country already to make that claim. If he tried to do that I think there would be enormous pressure to alter the human rights legislation in this country.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,854
    edited July 2013
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Pretty sure he's out for good. The Home Secretary can just ban him from entering at her discretion. Of course, that is assuming the border people spot him and stop him!

    Big assumption. Anyway, aren't his wife and children here? Right to family life and all that.

    Might just cause the Mail to self combust!

    Interesting thought. I assumed you would have to be in the country already to make that claim. If he tried to do that I think there would be enormous pressure to alter the human rights legislation in this country.
    Understand what you're saying. However, if that's wives and children, and some are happy to go to Jordan and some are not .....
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    edited July 2013
    "Am I right in thinking that both Blair and Cameron were/are smokers? Churchill liked a cigar and Wilson pretended to smoke a pipe. Could be a pre-requisite for future PMs!"

    @Max_Edinburgh, I don't know about Blair. But both Cameron and Clegg are/were certainly smokers, although I believe they have both tried to kick the habit.
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 597
    Its officially settled once and for all it seems...

    http://andymurrayometer.com/
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    77 year wait. Virginia won in 77. Murray wins on 7/7.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    fitalass said:

    77 year wait. Virginia won in 77. Murray wins on 7/7.

    When two sevens clash , top ranking fitalass. Jah.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,517
    fitalass - Attlee also smoked cigarettes and pipes
  • The Murray effect really is incredible. Whilst stocking up on beer and fags I had two conversations with strangers about the match, This level of over-familiarity is usually only associated with Glaswegians!
  • HYUFD said:

    fitalass - Attlee also smoked cigarettes and pipes

    Another subscriber to my belief that smoking is cool!
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    I really admire alex salmond,but the flag stunt was just embarrassing in my view,I cringed when I saw it,so for those of us support Scottish independence,this was a mistake by salmond.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,517
    Max - Indeed, so does Obama and did Che Guevara, particularly cigars, 2 icons of political cool!
  • HYUFD said:

    Max - Indeed, so does Obama and did Che Guevara, particularly cigars, 2 icons of political cool!

    I should confess I am thinking of quitting. After spending a year in the middle east paying £1.40 for a pack of Davidoff, the thought of paying £8-£9 back here fair sticks in the throat!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,517
    Max - Indeed, and Osborne seems determined to raise cigarettes duty
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    That the Lib/Dems will be back in govt in 40 years or so?

    1936 Fred Perry - Liberals part of national government
    1977 Virginia Wade - The Lib-Lab pact
    2013 Andy Murray - The CON-LD coalition

    Spot the connection

  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    On the Scottish/British chat, Google Sports says he's Scottish.
    Great win by a great player, regardless of where the guy is from though.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,953
    Just checked the SPOTY odds - the best you can get is 1/14 on Betfair; the best with bookies, 1/20 with Hills! Much as he should be a short-odds favourite, is he a 93-95% chance? That strikes me as overshoot.

    There's always the possibility that he could blot his copybook. There's also the less likely possibility that someone else could put in an outstanding performance, such as Mo Farah (even if Farah did, Murray would still be favourite but we'd be more into 60-70% territory then. Not that such small margins mean I'll be betting either way but the value does look to be on the lay for now.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Well done!
    fitalass said:

    77 year wait. Virginia won in 77. Murray wins on 7/7.

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Along with Bunny Wailers "Blackheart Man" my favourite reggae album. I must seek out two sevens clash.
    tim said:

    @foxinsox.

    Freaky, that was the album I just went looking for on YouTube.
    Always easy to find on vinyl, it's been the first alphabetically for over 30 years.

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,311
    edited July 2013
    Just in case anyone gets too vexillogically vicious, I'm told this was the scene in Downing Street today.

    http://twitpic.com/d1e5ah

  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Very subtle, smooth move by Salmond..total cringe
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,953

    1936 Fred Perry - Liberals part of national government
    1977 Virginia Wade - The Lib-Lab pact
    2013 Andy Murray - The CON-LD coalition

    Spot the connection

    The Liberals weren't part of the National government in 1936. Only John Simon's National Liberals remained in the coalition. The Samuelite Liberals (which was the faction that renewed the independent Liberal Party) were back on the opposition benches by 1933.
  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    Better Together launching their so-called "patriot system" this week.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-23217841
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    Just in case anyone gets too vexillogically vicious, I'm told this was the scene in Downing Street today.

    http://twitpic.com/d1e5ah

    Thank God Cameron didn't unfurl a Union Jack after Murray's All England Club victory at Wimbledon. There's only so much embarrassment the UK public will put up with.
  • Just in case anyone gets too vexillogically vicious, I'm told this was the scene in Downing Street today.

    http://twitpic.com/d1e5ah

    Only a matter of time before a nat finds a way to be offended by the scene of the saltire flyong over No. 10!
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,343
    Can I just say that I thought Murray's display of emotion was rather vulgar. Don't British sportsmen get training in how to show a stiff upper lip? But then I suppose he isn't an Englishman.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,135
    It does illustrate how emotional ties will still be left, following Scottish independence.

    When that Dunblane thing happened, it happened "here, at home" for the whole UK, not "abroad". I can't see that emotional response changing very quickly, if it changes ever.

    Where sport is concerned, I suppose winning a rUK title will have a certain value for a "Scottish" Scot, but it will never be a "home win" again - or will it?
  • tim said:
    That article concludes a horrendous week for Cameron. Miliband bestrides the political world like an unchallenged Colossus. Weak tim, weak.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,314
    Just got back from Epping-Ongar! All I can say is YESSSS! Andy Murray won! And in straight sets! At last! 77 years of waiting over! And words to that effect! :)
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,311
    edited July 2013


    Thank God Cameron didn't unfurl a Union Jack after Murray's All England Club victory at Wimbledon. There's only so much embarrassment the UK public will put up with.

    If only Cameron had clapped Salmond on the shoulder and grabbed a corner of the saltire, how easy it would have been for him to show he was the bigger man.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,314
    Is it true that tim has been deported to Jordan?

    :)
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    I see Dan Hodges has scored another stunning victory in the prediction game.

    1. David Miliband wins Labour leadership election
    2. Andy Murray loses Wimbledon final

    Did he also predict the failure of the mission to the moon and the second coming of Jesus Christ?

    The main is a legend.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    David Cameron with the Saltire as the backdrop. Brilliant !!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    how easy it would have been for him to show he was the bigger man.

    It was easy.

    Cameron showed the class required of a National leader by not attempting to hi-jack a sporting achievement for a cheap political stunt.

    Everyone (except Cybernats) thinks Eck is a Numpty for pulling that stunt
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792


    Thank God Cameron didn't unfurl a Union Jack after Murray's All England Club victory at Wimbledon. There's only so much embarrassment the UK public will put up with.

    If only Cameron had clapped Salmond on the shoulder and grabbed a corner of the saltire, how easy it would have been for him to show he was the bigger man.
    If you weren't embarrassed by Salmond's antics in SW 19 , you're a mere fan and cultist.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,314
    @tim

    You're Amman for all seasons!

    :)
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,135
    @TheUnionDivvie

    Perhaps he would have if he'd known it was there.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453


    If you weren't embarrassed by Salmond's antics in SW 19 , you're a mere fan and cultist.

    It was Wee Eck's "John Terry" moment. Deeply embarrassing.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    On Salmond - he was acting like an arse.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited July 2013
    The Westminster half hour might be worth listening to for a change because for the 2nd week the uninspiring Carolyn Quinn is away and James Landale is hosting it.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    AnneJGP said:

    It does illustrate how emotional ties will still be left, following Scottish independence.

    When that Dunblane thing happened, it happened "here, at home" for the whole UK, not "abroad". I can't see that emotional response changing very quickly, if it changes ever.

    Where sport is concerned, I suppose winning a rUK title will have a certain value for a "Scottish" Scot, but it will never be a "home win" again - or will it?

    Sorry to disagree with you. The news reporting of Dunblane was essentially Scottish. It was reported here with sympathy, yes but just like it was reported from the USA.

    Scots have long memories. One was Norman Lamont in his budget near the end of the first year following the imposition of the poll tax in England offered some financial comfort.

    It was forgotten that for the Scots this was the end of their second year of Poll Tax. They were offered nothing at the end of their first year.

    To the Scots, it simplt meant not that the English were anti Scot but worse, they were simply forgotten !
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,311
    Scott_P said:


    All the SCons, Unionists and expats who I retweet think Eck's is a Numpty for pulling that stunt

    I have gleaned the inner meaning of your words (which to be fair approximates everything you say about Scotland).
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,314

    On Salmond - he was acting like an arse.

    Mr Dancer, I'm sure Jack W will have issues with that statement :)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,191
    blockquote class="Quote" rel="Bobajob">I see Dan Hodges has scored another stunning victory in the prediction game.

    1. David Miliband wins Labour leadership election
    2. Andy Murray loses Wimbledon final

    Did he also predict the failure of the mission to the moon and the second coming of Jesus Christ?

    The main is a legend.

    In fairness he did repeatedly predict that Ed was going to make rather a mess of being leader of the Labour party.

    So far, so good on that one.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,311

    you're a mere fan and cultist.

    Sez Farage fan boy.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453


    I have gleaned the inner meaning of your words (which to be fair approximates everything you say about Scotland).

    From the moment Alex Salmond settled down in Centre Court, you knew what he was up to: he’d have packed a Saltire in his lunchbox and would wave it when the cameras were on him. He was planning to photobomb.

    Why? Because, to the SNP, sport is more political than politics: their world is all about what flags you wave, which sportsmen you cheer – and which you don’t. The First Minister even tried to hawk the idea of “Scolympians” last year, trying to divide the British Olympic team between Scots and non-Scots. It was a ludicrous notion, as Sir Chris Hoy said later.
    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/07/audio-andy-murray-im-a-british-champion/
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    The Westminster half hour might be worth listening to for a change because for the 2nd week the uninspiring Carolyn Quinn is away and James Landale is hosting it.

    Why ? Because he is a Tory ?
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    DavidL said:

    blockquote class="Quote" rel="Bobajob">I see Dan Hodges has scored another stunning victory in the prediction game.

    1. David Miliband wins Labour leadership election
    2. Andy Murray loses Wimbledon final

    Did he also predict the failure of the mission to the moon and the second coming of Jesus Christ?

    The main is a legend.

    In fairness he did repeatedly predict that Ed was going to make rather a mess of being leader of the Labour party.

    So far, so good on that one.

    He also predicted Ed would lose the election...
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited July 2013

    you're a mere fan and cultist.

    Sez Farage fan boy.

    "Nigel Farage ‏@Nigel_Farage 4h
    Brilliant! Well done Andy Murray! The whole country was cheering you #wimbledonchampion "

    You bet.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,311
    Scott_P said:
    I don't think repeated regurgitation of the Speccie, Telegraph and the Scotsman is really damaging my thesis.

  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    DavidL said:

    blockquote class="Quote" rel="Bobajob">I see Dan Hodges has scored another stunning victory in the prediction game.

    1. David Miliband wins Labour leadership election
    2. Andy Murray loses Wimbledon final

    Did he also predict the failure of the mission to the moon and the second coming of Jesus Christ?

    The main is a legend.

    In fairness he did repeatedly predict that Ed was going to make rather a mess of being leader of the Labour party.

    So far, so good on that one.

    He also predicted Ed would lose the election.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,295
    surbiton said:

    AnneJGP said:

    It does illustrate how emotional ties will still be left, following Scottish independence.

    When that Dunblane thing happened, it happened "here, at home" for the whole UK, not "abroad". I can't see that emotional response changing very quickly, if it changes ever.

    Where sport is concerned, I suppose winning a rUK title will have a certain value for a "Scottish" Scot, but it will never be a "home win" again - or will it?

    Sorry to disagree with you. The news reporting of Dunblane was essentially Scottish. It was reported here with sympathy, yes but just like it was reported from the USA.

    Scots have long memories. One was Norman Lamont in his budget near the end of the first year following the imposition of the poll tax in England offered some financial comfort.

    It was forgotten that for the Scots this was the end of their second year of Poll Tax. They were offered nothing at the end of their first year.

    To the Scots, it simplt meant not that the English were anti Scot but worse, they were simply forgotten !
    Ah yes, that would have been the 1991 budget: 12 months later as the Tories were losing dozens of seats in England, they made a net gain of one in Scotland.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Spectator_CH
    Coffee Shots: Wimbledon special http://specc.ie/180J7IV
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,311


    You bet.

    I do.
    For example I remember offering a certain UKIP feartie a bet on his whether his pin up boys would retain their deposit in Donside; answer came there none.
  • Scott_P said:


    I have gleaned the inner meaning of your words (which to be fair approximates everything you say about Scotland).

    From the moment Alex Salmond settled down in Centre Court, you knew what he was up to: he’d have packed a Saltire in his lunchbox and would wave it when the cameras were on him. He was planning to photobomb.

    Why? Because, to the SNP, sport is more political than politics: their world is all about what flags you wave, which sportsmen you cheer – and which you don’t. The First Minister even tried to hawk the idea of “Scolympians” last year, trying to divide the British Olympic team between Scots and non-Scots. It was a ludicrous notion, as Sir Chris Hoy said later.
    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/07/audio-andy-murray-im-a-british-champion/


    More Unionist lies Scott, To this day everyone I know hales theScolympians whilst hating the antics of Imperialist oppressors like Jess Enniss!
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    Scott_P said:


    I have gleaned the inner meaning of your words (which to be fair approximates everything you say about Scotland).

    From the moment Alex Salmond settled down in Centre Court, you knew what he was up to: he’d have packed a Saltire in his lunchbox and would wave it when the cameras were on him. He was planning to photobomb.

    Why? Because, to the SNP, sport is more political than politics: their world is all about what flags you wave, which sportsmen you cheer – and which you don’t. The First Minister even tried to hawk the idea of “Scolympians” last year, trying to divide the British Olympic team between Scots and non-Scots. It was a ludicrous notion, as Sir Chris Hoy said later.
    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/07/audio-andy-murray-im-a-british-champion/

    Who cares? The leader of Scotland flies a flag when a Scotsman wins an event. It was a bit of a cheeky stunt but who gives a f--k? Talk about something else.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,343
    @Surbiton

    Dunblane was reported with the usual hypocrisy related to gun ownership in the UK and was used as a pretext to ban handgun ownership across the kingdom, so was emphatically not treated as a particularly Scottish event.

    And Scotland is only 8% of the population of the UK so I see no reason why its view should be particularly listened to.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,135
    surbiton said:


    Sorry to disagree with you. The news reporting of Dunblane was essentially Scottish. It was reported here with sympathy, yes but just like it was reported from the USA.

    I wasn't referring to news reporting. I was referring to the sense of emotional involvement. I have lived in the south of England all my life. I didn't know a single person who didn't feel Dunblane had happened "here, at home"
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Bobajob said:

    On the Scottish/British chat, Google Sports says he's Scottish.
    Great win by a great player, regardless of where the guy is from though.

    Like it or not, he is a Scot. He is from Dunblane. Of course, the Scots should celebrate !!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,845
    edited July 2013
    Bobajob said:

    DavidL said:

    blockquote class="Quote" rel="Bobajob">I see Dan Hodges has scored another stunning victory in the prediction game.

    1. David Miliband wins Labour leadership election
    2. Andy Murray loses Wimbledon final

    Did he also predict the failure of the mission to the moon and the second coming of Jesus Christ?

    The main is a legend.

    In fairness he did repeatedly predict that Ed was going to make rather a mess of being leader of the Labour party.

    So far, so good on that one.
    He also predicted Ed would lose the election...


    Hodges is a columnist who has to regularly write a certain number of words on a topical subject. As SeanT is showing well, to get readers you need to be slightly controversial as well as an excellent writer.

    You try writing a regular column, and you will soon find that you get predictions wrong. Because half the time you will not even be writing shit you actually believe, but what you think your readers will want to think or talk about. Or even something that is contrary to other views in the paper and wider media.

    And it works admirably for Hodges; we talk endlessly about him on here, and he gets more publicity thanks to us.

    Although the errors make for good fun for the rest of us anoraks.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited July 2013


    You bet.

    I do.
    For example I remember offering a certain UKIP feartie a bet on his whether his pin up boys would retain their deposit in Donside; answer came there none.
    Oh yes , the Donside election where UKIP mysteriously dropped below 5 % at the last minute. Only a fool would gamble on the surprising results coming out of Scotland as Salmond " twenty MPs playing an SNP jig " knows to his cost.

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    AnneJGP said:

    surbiton said:


    Sorry to disagree with you. The news reporting of Dunblane was essentially Scottish. It was reported here with sympathy, yes but just like it was reported from the USA.

    I wasn't referring to news reporting. I was referring to the sense of emotional involvement. I have lived in the south of England all my life. I didn't know a single person who didn't feel Dunblane had happened "here, at home"
    You know, it is all very well suddenly for the English to embrace a Scottish win. Speaking of Dunblane, an Englishman would roughly know where Guildford, Stoke or Harrogate is on a map.

    Ask him/her where Dunblane is, I am not sure what percentage will give the correct answer. How many knows where is Montrose or Moray ?

    The level of knowledge in England about Scotland is actually quite limited.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    @Surbiton

    Dunblane was reported with the usual hypocrisy related to gun ownership in the UK and was used as a pretext to ban handgun ownership across the kingdom, so was emphatically not treated as a particularly Scottish event.

    And Scotland is only 8% of the population of the UK so I see no reason why its view should be particularly listened to.

    Dunblane was not the first. We also had Hungerford here in England. In any event, the very sad events , at least, contributed to a good piece of legislation. By the Tories, I may add !
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,311


    Oh yes , the Donside election where UKIP mysteriously dropped below 5 % at the last minute. Only a fool would gamble on the surprising results coming out of Scotland , as Salmond " twenty MPs playing an SNP jig " knows to his cost.

    Oh dear, Faragiste delusions of grandeur.
    UKIP, a party so insignificant even SLAB can't be arsed fixing their vote.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,135
    surbiton said:



    You know, it is all very well suddenly for the English to embrace a Scottish win. Speaking of Dunblane, an Englishman would roughly know where Guildford, Stoke or Harrogate is on a map.

    Ask him/her where Dunblane is, I am not sure what percentage will give the correct answer. How many knows where is Montrose or Moray ?

    The level of knowledge in England about Scotland is actually quite limited.

    That hasn't really got anything to do with it. Loads of people think Bristol is in Wales.

    A person's lack of geographical knowledge doesn't stop them relating to events reported in England Wales & Scotland as "here, at home". It may be that lesser emotional involvement is felt about Northern Ireland, but that is literally over the water.

  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,343
    @Surbiton

    On the contrary, it was a knee-jerk reaction, and there was no thought given to other less illiberal approaches, such as separating gun and ammunition ownership. Nor the fact that the police screwed up - Hamilton should emphatically have not been allowed a gun licence, based purely on his behaviour which was known to the authorities. If I behaved like him I would have my shotgun certificate taken off me toot sweet.
  • rodwarnerrodwarner Posts: 8
    Congratulations to Andy Murray for a hard fought final. Let the nationalist/tribalist saps fight it out - no doubt at great repetitive length, to quote some old hip hop song - 'It's whut they do' - but let's salute the reality - a superb personal achievement.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,314
    edited July 2013
    tim said:

    surbiton said:

    @Surbiton

    Dunblane was reported with the usual hypocrisy related to gun ownership in the UK and was used as a pretext to ban handgun ownership across the kingdom, so was emphatically not treated as a particularly Scottish event.

    And Scotland is only 8% of the population of the UK so I see no reason why its view should be particularly listened to.

    Dunblane was not the first. We also had Hungerford here in England. In any event, the very sad events , at least, contributed to a good piece of legislation. By the Tories, I may add !

    The legislation was by Labour, the 97 govt extended what the Tories had in the pipeline

    Are you sure?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_(Amendment)_Act_1997

    The Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997 was introduced by the Conservative Government of John Major following the Dunblane Massacre.
    It effectively banned the possession of all handguns other than those chambered for .22 Rim-fire cartridges by civilians in most of the United Kingdom by making them subject to Section Five (Prohibited Weapons) of the Firearms Acts.

    Tony Blair's Labour Government followed later in the year with the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997 which banned .22 handguns.



  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792


    Oh yes , the Donside election where UKIP mysteriously dropped below 5 % at the last minute. Only a fool would gamble on the surprising results coming out of Scotland , as Salmond " twenty MPs playing an SNP jig " knows to his cost.

    Oh dear, Faragiste delusions of grandeur.
    UKIP, a party so insignificant even SLAB can't be arsed fixing their vote.
    GE votes 2010 ;

    UKIP 919,471
    BNP 564,321
    SNP 491,386

    I wonder when you'll overtake your Nationalist sister party ?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,343
    @sunil

    That's not quite correct, it is still legal to own muzzle-loading pistols including single shot pistols and cap-and-ball revolvers such as a Colt Navy
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,311
    edited July 2013



    GE votes 2010 ;

    UKIP 919,471
    BNP 564,321
    SNP 491,386

    I wonder when you'll overtake your Nationalist sister party ?

    Titter.

    GE votes 2010 Scotland:

    UKIP 17,223
    BNP 8,910
    SNP 491,386

    We certainly smashed the British Nationalist parties out of the ground.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Re: Morsi.

    It is quite incredible that the following support the removal of an elected President after one year [ whether you agree with his politics or not ]:

    Saudi Arabia
    Israel
    Syria [ Assad ]
    Bahrain
    UK
    France
    USA.

    Against:

    Hamas
    Turkey
    Most African Union countries
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,517
    Oddest quote of the day in the ST News Review, Nicky Haslam on Ed Miliband 'I'm rather in love with Ed Miliband. He's like something you'd see in the Prado. I met him the other night at Evgeny Lebedev's dinner and he looks like a Velasquez painting of a better-looking Hapsburg royal. I told him so. He was all [he adopts a dorky voice] Wah, wah, wah, do you know my woife?'
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,135
    Night all. Really delighted for Andy Murray (and all Scots) tonight.
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited July 2013
    HYUFD said:

    Oddest quote of the day in the ST News Review, Nicky Haslam on Ed Miliband 'I'm rather in love with Ed Miliband. He's like something you'd see in the Prado. I met him the other night at Evgeny Lebedev's dinner and he looks like a Velasquez painting of a better-looking Hapsburg royal. I told him so. He was all [he adopts a dorky voice] Wah, wah, wah, do you know my woife?'

    Hmm - being compared to the notoriously inbred Spanish branch of the Hapsburgs is not exactly a compliment.

    Useless fact of the day: my wife once shared an office with a Hapsburg prince for a few weeks. It seemed to me that things have come to a pretty pass when a Hapsburg prince has to work for a living.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,517
    RichardNavabi - Indeed, particularly when their summer residence alone had 1,441 rooms
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    tim said:

    Bobajob said:

    DavidL said:

    blockquote class="Quote" rel="Bobajob">I see Dan Hodges has scored another stunning victory in the prediction game.

    1. David Miliband wins Labour leadership election
    2. Andy Murray loses Wimbledon final

    Did he also predict the failure of the mission to the moon and the second coming of Jesus Christ?

    The main is a legend.

    In fairness he did repeatedly predict that Ed was going to make rather a mess of being leader of the Labour party.

    So far, so good on that one.
    He also predicted Ed would lose the election...
    It must be weird being a pundit who can't predict anything while the rest of the world can predict exactly what he's going to say.



    Ha! Indeed. I await the day when he writes a column gushing over Ed Miliband, before forecasting that his own backing spells bad news for Ed, thus entering a sort of pundit feedback loop and disappearing in a puff of logic.

  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    HYUFD said:

    Oddest quote of the day in the ST News Review, Nicky Haslam on Ed Miliband 'I'm rather in love with Ed Miliband. He's like something you'd see in the Prado. I met him the other night at Evgeny Lebedev's dinner and he looks like a Velasquez painting of a better-looking Hapsburg royal. I told him so. He was all [he adopts a dorky voice] Wah, wah, wah, do you know my woife?'

    One for Dan Hodges to mull over?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    SeanT said:

    Josias:

    "Hodges is a columnist who has to regularly write a certain number of words on a topical subject. As SeanT is showing...

    And it works admirably for Hodges; we talk endlessly about him on here, and he gets more publicity thanks to us.

    Although the errors make for good fun for the rest of us anoraks"

    Very kind of you. And your comments about Hodges are astute.

    I have sincere professional admiration for Hodges. The niche he works in - centre-lefty who disapproves of Ed who writes for "Tory" paper - is incredibly small, allowing him little freedom to maneuver. Yet, so far, he has managed to conjure up provocative and interesting articles, week in week out, for several years, and has become a pretty influential commenter, in so doing.

    I admire Polly Toynbee, Matthew Parris and Richard Littlejohn for the same reason. You may - or may not - despise the person and/or their opinions. But the craftsmanship is undeniable.

    Hodges is an idiot ! Period !! He is only taken seriously by low intellect Tories because he writes anti Labour. And, don't go on about who his mother is....
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549



    GE votes 2010 ;

    UKIP 919,471
    BNP 564,321
    SNP 491,386

    I wonder when you'll overtake your Nationalist sister party ?

    Titter.

    GE votes 2010 Scotland:

    UKIP 17,223
    BNP 8,910
    SNP 491,386

    We certainly smashed the British Nationalist parties out of the ground.
    You certainly smashed both the racist parties !!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Oh, FFS

    @PeteWishart
    Flaggate could be a defining moment in the Indy ref. Our right to celebrate our success as a nation, questioned, will be remembered.

    Well, at least we know the Nats will be cheering English flags waving in Glasgow next year, right?
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    'Andy Murray WILL be nominated for a knighthood No 10 sources tell the Mail' shippers
  • Fat_SteveFat_Steve Posts: 361
    tim said:

    Bloody hell, someone else appears to understand the idiocy of Daves migration nonsense.
    And blow me down it's Liam FoxWerritty
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10165243/Liam-Fox-Britain-needs-a-US-style-green-card-system.html

    Here is what Liam Fox said
    "He continued: “What I am proposing is in fact an open and shut policy: more open to those who have the skills that we will need to maintain our prosperity and place in the world and more closed to those who, for whatever reason, would end up placing a burden on our welfare system and national infrastructure.
    “Nobody should assume they have the right to come to our country because they have relatives already here or because they happen to reside in some remote corner of the European Union."

    Which you may agree or disagree with.
    But it is careless or mischevious to caegorise it as "understand the idiocy of Daves Migration nonsense".
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    Scott_P said:

    Oh, FFS

    @PeteWishart
    Flaggate could be a defining moment in the Indy ref. Our right to celebrate our success as a nation, questioned, will be remembered.

    Well, at least we know the Nats will be cheering English flags waving in Glasgow next year, right?

    Why would the Scots cheer on a rival country? Do you expect Scottish football fans to support England?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Er, he says that "no one should have the right to come here just because they have family here or reside in some remote part of the EU"

    That sounds like a tighter, more selective immigration policy than at present.
    tim said:

    Bloody hell, someone else appears to understand the idiocy of Daves migration nonsense.
    And blow me down it's Liam FoxWerritty


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10165243/Liam-Fox-Britain-needs-a-US-style-green-card-system.html

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,314
    Carola said:

    'Andy Murray WILL be nominated for a knighthood No 10 sources tell the Mail' shippers

    Odds on for SPOTY, surely?
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    tim said:

    Carola said:

    'Andy Murray WILL be nominated for a knighthood No 10 sources tell the Mail' shippers

    When did this "knighthood offer on the day you win" start?

    Dunno. The day a Scotsman won Wimbledon?
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Anyway. Time for bed. Leave you with another great Times wrap:

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/353991224425861120/photo/1
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    SeanT said:

    I admire Polly Toynbee, Matthew Parris and Richard Littlejohn for the same reason. You may - or may not - despise the person and/or their opinions. But the craftsmanship is undeniable.

    Bit difficult to agree with them all!!
  • Fat_SteveFat_Steve Posts: 361
    @Tim
    There are indeed 2 parts to it
    - Further restrictions to immigration that doesn't benefit Britain.
    - Easier immigration for selected specialist.
    But it can't be interpreted as you originally interpreted it.
    I'm sure you will want to issue a brief and dignified apology for wrongly (Surely from carelesness rather than an attempt to mislead) reporting it falsely.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,343
    Bobajob said:


    Why would the Scots cheer on a rival country? Do you expect Scottish football fans to support England?

    I've never understood the English hypocrisy about this. We maintain the fiction the UK is four countries for football purposes. Fine, in which case England and Scotland are foreign counties and supporters of one are under no more moral obligation to support the other than, say, North Korea.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,314

    Bobajob said:


    Why would the Scots cheer on a rival country? Do you expect Scottish football fans to support England?

    I've never understood the English hypocrisy about this. We maintain the fiction the UK is four countries for football purposes. Fine, in which case England and Scotland are foreign counties and supporters of one are under no more moral obligation to support the other than, say, North Korea.

    But I believe for Tennis purposes we is all one country (Viz. Hopman Cup, Davis Cup etc.).
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,343
    edited July 2013
    @Sunil

    We are, both the Scottish and Union flags would therefore be appropriate.

    What is inappropriate is for the First Minister of Scotland to whip out a flag from wherever he secreted it - up his bum for all I know - and start waving it around in the Royal Box. What an arse.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,517
    Bobajob - Indeed, would be interesting to see what he makes of that?
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