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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,920
    Owen Smith hits back: "You call that a man date?"
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited August 2016
    But but but Owen Smith secret private polling shows...

    Second like Owen Smith...
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    It's slightly weird watching one of the western world's major political parties committing suicide like this. But at least it's interesting.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    Third like a good old fashioned Scottish Tory!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    RobD said:

    Third like a good old fashioned Scottish Tory!

    :( Can't even do that right!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,169
    edited August 2016
    I'm glad to see that TSE's stint as guest editor is as usual quiet, dull and doesn't require a new thread as often as Jos Buttler hits a six.

    Edit - and sixth like Owen Smith in this two horse race and Labour in the 2025 election.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    edited August 2016
    ydoethur said:

    I'm glad to see that TSE's stint as guest editor is as usual quiet, dull and doesn't require a new thread as often as Jos Buttler hits a six.

    Disappointed that the thread title doesn't include a reference to the size of Smith's mandate ;)
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844

    But but but Owen Smith secret private polling shows...

    Second like Owen Smith...

    Smith is coming close to coming third...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,169
    edited August 2016
    RobD said:

    ydoethur said:

    I'm glad to see that TSE's stint as guest editor is as usual quiet, dull and doesn't require a new thread as often as Jos Buttler hits a six.

    Disappointed that the thread title doesn't include a reference to the size of Smith's mandate ;)
    As if TSE would ever stoop to knob jokes when good Star Trek pubs puns are available.

    Edit - Swive autocorrect.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,797
    12th which is roughly what Owen's odds are going to be...
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited August 2016
    Great news. Unfortunately September 24 seems ages away. I want to see Corbyn emerge victorious with a clear mandate to begin a purge of the unfaithful.
  • Just stuck in some more tweets about the polls
  • Looks like we are going to see a Corbyn GE campaign after all....what could possibly go wrong?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,387
    Smith on 68% with 'proper' members.

    We should get an extra vote per decade of membership.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,291
    Fourteenth like UkIp
  • ydoethur said:

    I'm glad to see that TSE's stint as guest editor is as usual quiet, dull and doesn't require a new thread as often as Jos Buttler hits a six.

    Edit - and sixth like Owen Smith in this two horse race and Labour in the 2025 election.

    I'm absolutely sated at the moment. I can barely function.

    I was at Trent Bridge today, Oh Lord what a time to be alive.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158

    Looks like we are going to see a Corbyn GE campaign after all....what could possibly go wrong?

    For the Tories? :D
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,169

    Smith on 68% with 'proper' members.

    Given the vastness of his own member that seems appropriate.
  • The morning thread will be later than usual, I had a prepared thread set to go up at 5.30am, but I'll wait for the entrails of this poll.

    IT WAS THE THREAD ON ELECTORAL REFORM
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    'Corbyn set to win even bigger mandate than last time.'

    But only this morning I was reliably inform it was too close to call. Oh well, never mind...
  • glwglw Posts: 10,018

    Looks like we are going to see a Corbyn GE campaign after all....what could possibly go wrong?

    Some sort of Pledgehenge? An entire army of Elvis impersonators? Gerry Adams campaigning alongside Corbyn? Accidentally designing a new logo for the Labour Party that looks a bit like a swastika?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,169

    ydoethur said:

    I'm glad to see that TSE's stint as guest editor is as usual quiet, dull and doesn't require a new thread as often as Jos Buttler hits a six.

    Edit - and sixth like Owen Smith in this two horse race and Labour in the 2025 election.

    I'm absolutely sated at the moment. I can barely function.

    I was at Trent Bridge today, Oh Lord what a time to be alive.
    Some years ago Craig Spearman scored 341 off 350 balls at Gloucester against a completely hapless Middlesex ineptly captained by Owais Shah.

    My father was there and I left a furious answerphone message saying that he was 'a lucky bastard.'

    I'm getting the same feeling now...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158

    The morning thread will be later than usual, I had a prepared thread set to go up at 5.30am, but I'll wait for the entrails of this poll.

    IT WAS THE THREAD ON ELECTORAL REFORM

    :o:o
  • glw said:

    Looks like we are going to see a Corbyn GE campaign after all....what could possibly go wrong?

    Some sort of Pledgehenge? An entire army of Elvis impersonators? Gerry Adams campaigning alongside Corbyn? Accidentally designing a new logo for the Labour Party that looks a bit like a swastika?
    I'm with my Labour supporting friend, when I showed him the previous thread, his response

    'You just fucking know during the next general election campaign, Corbyn's going to go campaigning in Warrington South with Gerry Adams'
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,039
    A single transferable alternative thread I guess.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    Omnium said:

    A single transferable alternative thread I guess.

    Bravo!
  • ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    I'm glad to see that TSE's stint as guest editor is as usual quiet, dull and doesn't require a new thread as often as Jos Buttler hits a six.

    Edit - and sixth like Owen Smith in this two horse race and Labour in the 2025 election.

    I'm absolutely sated at the moment. I can barely function.

    I was at Trent Bridge today, Oh Lord what a time to be alive.
    Some years ago Craig Spearman scored 341 off 350 balls at Gloucester against a completely hapless Middlesex ineptly captained by Owais Shah.

    My father was there and I left a furious answerphone message saying that he was 'a lucky bastard.'

    I'm getting the same feeling now...
    My favourite stat of the day. Jos Buttler scored England's fastest ODI 50, off just 22 balls. After 7 balls he had only scored 1 run, which meant he scored 49 from 15 balls.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,920

    glw said:

    Looks like we are going to see a Corbyn GE campaign after all....what could possibly go wrong?

    Some sort of Pledgehenge? An entire army of Elvis impersonators? Gerry Adams campaigning alongside Corbyn? Accidentally designing a new logo for the Labour Party that looks a bit like a swastika?
    I'm with my Labour supporting friend, when I showed him the previous thread, his response

    'You just fucking know during the next general election campaign, Corbyn's going to go campaigning in Warrington South with Gerry Adams'
    Corbyn should think less parochially. I'm hoping for campaign appearances by Robert Mugabe and Kim Jong-un.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,239

    ydoethur said:

    I'm glad to see that TSE's stint as guest editor is as usual quiet, dull and doesn't require a new thread as often as Jos Buttler hits a six.

    Edit - and sixth like Owen Smith in this two horse race and Labour in the 2025 election.

    I'm absolutely sated at the moment. I can barely function.

    I was at Trent Bridge today, Oh Lord what a time to be alive.
    Watched the highlights today. Incredibly they almost slowed down towards the end. And then we had Root scoring "only" 85 in 86 balls. Surely 450 is on the cards soon.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,387
    When respondents said they were going to vote for Corbyn, did YouGov ask 'Why?'

  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited August 2016
    It seems to me that there's only one thing which could be worse for Labour than a Corbyn repeat-victory. The good news for Labour is that, if this poll is right, the party might at least have been spared it.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,239
    Meanwhile it does look as if some of Don's optimism might be misplaced. Personally, I regret that.
  • glw said:

    Looks like we are going to see a Corbyn GE campaign after all....what could possibly go wrong?

    Some sort of Pledgehenge? An entire army of Elvis impersonators? Gerry Adams campaigning alongside Corbyn? Accidentally designing a new logo for the Labour Party that looks a bit like a swastika?
    LOL....I can't work out which is more likely the Gerry Adam campaigning or the swastika...both more likely than Arsenal winning the league.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,169

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    I'm glad to see that TSE's stint as guest editor is as usual quiet, dull and doesn't require a new thread as often as Jos Buttler hits a six.

    Edit - and sixth like Owen Smith in this two horse race and Labour in the 2025 election.

    I'm absolutely sated at the moment. I can barely function.

    I was at Trent Bridge today, Oh Lord what a time to be alive.
    Some years ago Craig Spearman scored 341 off 350 balls at Gloucester against a completely hapless Middlesex ineptly captained by Owais Shah.

    My father was there and I left a furious answerphone message saying that he was 'a lucky bastard.'

    I'm getting the same feeling now...
    My favourite stat of the day. Jos Buttler scored England's fastest ODI 50, off just 22 balls. After 7 balls he had only scored 1 run, which meant he scored 49 from 15 balls.
    :hushed::hushed::hushed:
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,407
    edited August 2016
    Actually no the best stat today was this.

    Prior to the 2015 world cup, in their entire history England had managed scores of 350 just twice in 650 ODIs

    Since the 2015 world cup, England have managed 7 scores of 350plus in 28 ODIs
  • DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    I'm glad to see that TSE's stint as guest editor is as usual quiet, dull and doesn't require a new thread as often as Jos Buttler hits a six.

    Edit - and sixth like Owen Smith in this two horse race and Labour in the 2025 election.

    I'm absolutely sated at the moment. I can barely function.

    I was at Trent Bridge today, Oh Lord what a time to be alive.
    Watched the highlights today. Incredibly they almost slowed down towards the end. And then we had Root scoring "only" 85 in 86 balls. Surely 450 is on the cards soon.
    Need to drop Root...scores too slowly ;-)...Stokes bench warming and Bairstow not even in the team, think how many more they would get if those two got going.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    edited August 2016

    glw said:

    Looks like we are going to see a Corbyn GE campaign after all....what could possibly go wrong?

    Some sort of Pledgehenge? An entire army of Elvis impersonators? Gerry Adams campaigning alongside Corbyn? Accidentally designing a new logo for the Labour Party that looks a bit like a swastika?
    I'm with my Labour supporting friend, when I showed him the previous thread, his response

    'You just fucking know during the next general election campaign, Corbyn's going to go campaigning in Warrington South with Gerry Adams'
    Corbyn should think less parochially. I'm hoping for campaign appearances by Robert Mugabe and Kim Jong-un.
    Why stop at the living? Lenin's still lying in Red Square, I'm sure Putin would loan him out for a spin down Nuneaton High St in his glass box.
  • DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    I'm glad to see that TSE's stint as guest editor is as usual quiet, dull and doesn't require a new thread as often as Jos Buttler hits a six.

    Edit - and sixth like Owen Smith in this two horse race and Labour in the 2025 election.

    I'm absolutely sated at the moment. I can barely function.

    I was at Trent Bridge today, Oh Lord what a time to be alive.
    Watched the highlights today. Incredibly they almost slowed down towards the end. And then we had Root scoring "only" 85 in 86 balls. Surely 450 is on the cards soon.
    I reckon if slow coach Root or Hales had gotten out 5 overs earlier, we would have got 500.

    When the England innings ended, I swear to Allah, the crowd, especially we English fans gave out a sigh that you only manage after a post coital cigarette.

    AND I'VE GOT TICKETS TO HEADINGLEY, PLEASE LET US WIN THE TOSS AND BAT FIRST
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,930
    One very last point re Apple:

    I suspect that the Apple/Irish government appeal will focus on the fact that the tax arrangements between Ireand and Apple fell under the exemptions for encouraging regional development. (In the same way the UK government offered 'incentives' whih helped Nissan move to Sunderland, etc. )

    What makes this difference, and where I think compromise will be reached is that the nature of regional development assistance (include tax holidays) is that they are temporary in nature. That is, they are of the nature "Hey Multinational, if you build a factory in Newport, you can have reduced tax on its profits for five years." The Apple deal was unlimited in duration.

    So, Apple will argue that the tax deal should have been limited to 25 years (i.e. now), the EU will argue for 10 (because Apple didn't make much money in the 1990s so they wouldn't be giving up much), and they'll settle on 20, which means Apple won't repay very much (a couple of billion), but will need to move to the standard Irish corporate tax rate of 12.5%.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I'd be interested to know whether Norman Tebbit has changed his mind about the famous "Cricket Test".
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,239

    Actually no the best stat today was this.

    Prior to the 2015 world cup, in their entire history England had managed scores of 350 just twice if 650 ODIs

    Since the 2015 world cup, England have managed 7 scores of 350plus in 28 ODIs

    350 is so 2015. 400 is the new target and with this batting line up they should hope to get there fairly regularly. If Hales and Roy both click together it will be something to see. And Stokes didn't even get a bat today. Poor Bairstow didn't even get in the team.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,562
    Corbyn has "low support among long standing members"; 68% for Smith from members who joined before May last year.

    Nothing encapsulates Labour's nightmare more than these numbers. Hard working members, many of whom have given years to the party, knocking on doors etc etc, have had their party stolen by a bunch of entryists from hard-left splinter parties and neophytes who have never met a swing voter on a doorstep in their lives.

    Electoral disaster awaits.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,239

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    I'm glad to see that TSE's stint as guest editor is as usual quiet, dull and doesn't require a new thread as often as Jos Buttler hits a six.

    Edit - and sixth like Owen Smith in this two horse race and Labour in the 2025 election.

    I'm absolutely sated at the moment. I can barely function.

    I was at Trent Bridge today, Oh Lord what a time to be alive.
    Watched the highlights today. Incredibly they almost slowed down towards the end. And then we had Root scoring "only" 85 in 86 balls. Surely 450 is on the cards soon.
    Need to drop Root...scores too slowly ;-)...Stokes bench warming and Bairstow not even in the team, think how many more they would get if those two got going.
    The competition for batting places is something else. I have never seen an England squad like it.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    It's no surprise for the simple reason, as has been pointed out consistently, that an election winning chunk of the selectorate did not seek out a vote in order to participate in a Labour leadership contest, weighing up the merits of the candidates with an open mind and voting accordingly. They sought out a vote to vote for Jeremy Corbyn.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,018

    Nothing encapsulates Labour's nightmare more than these numbers. Hard working members, many of whom have given years to the party, knocking on doors etc etc, have had their party stolen by a bunch of entryists from hard-left splinter parties and neophytes who have never met a swing voter on a doorstep in their lives.

    They don't even like swing voters, so meeting them is not going to help, no that they will do that anyway when they can win the election on Twitter.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,920
    welshowl said:

    glw said:

    Looks like we are going to see a Corbyn GE campaign after all....what could possibly go wrong?

    Some sort of Pledgehenge? An entire army of Elvis impersonators? Gerry Adams campaigning alongside Corbyn? Accidentally designing a new logo for the Labour Party that looks a bit like a swastika?
    I'm with my Labour supporting friend, when I showed him the previous thread, his response

    'You just fucking know during the next general election campaign, Corbyn's going to go campaigning in Warrington South with Gerry Adams'
    Corbyn should think less parochially. I'm hoping for campaign appearances by Robert Mugabe and Kim Jong-un.
    Why stop at the living? Lenin's still lying in Red Square, I'm sure Putin would loan him out for a spin down Nuneaton High St in his glass box.
    I could imagine it falling through at the last moment and Corbyn would instead decide to hold a campaign seance to put people in touch with the great socialist leaders of the past.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited August 2016
    Sky Sports did a segment a few months ago showing Bairstow and co doing hitting drills. Nasser basically said in his day nobody could hit like that. Bairstow was explaining how batting technique has altered massively since even started playing.

    I was watching a segment on the change in modern golfers swings compared to Faldo era. Its a similar thing, Tiger came along smashing it miles, they altered courses, and now the idea of Faldo straight down the middle course management is dead and buried. All the top modern golfers have a very different approach to swinging the club.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited August 2016
    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    I'm glad to see that TSE's stint as guest editor is as usual quiet, dull and doesn't require a new thread as often as Jos Buttler hits a six.

    Edit - and sixth like Owen Smith in this two horse race and Labour in the 2025 election.

    I'm absolutely sated at the moment. I can barely function.

    I was at Trent Bridge today, Oh Lord what a time to be alive.
    Watched the highlights today. Incredibly they almost slowed down towards the end. And then we had Root scoring "only" 85 in 86 balls. Surely 450 is on the cards soon.
    The highlights were a lot better when presented by the likes of Richie Benaud, Ray Illingworth, Tony Lewis, Tom Graveney and Sunil Gavaskar. Mark Nicholas gets up my nose for some reason.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,239

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    I'm glad to see that TSE's stint as guest editor is as usual quiet, dull and doesn't require a new thread as often as Jos Buttler hits a six.

    Edit - and sixth like Owen Smith in this two horse race and Labour in the 2025 election.

    I'm absolutely sated at the moment. I can barely function.

    I was at Trent Bridge today, Oh Lord what a time to be alive.
    Watched the highlights today. Incredibly they almost slowed down towards the end. And then we had Root scoring "only" 85 in 86 balls. Surely 450 is on the cards soon.
    I reckon if slow coach Root or Hales had gotten out 5 overs earlier, we would have got 500.

    When the England innings ended, I swear to Allah, the crowd, especially we English fans gave out a sigh that you only manage after a post coital cigarette.

    AND I'VE GOT TICKETS TO HEADINGLEY, PLEASE LET US WIN THE TOSS AND BAT FIRST
    One day I might understand why Vince played ahead of Buttler in the test matches. Maybe.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    I gave a talk today to a Chinese think-tank group about how British democracy works, using slides from 18 months ago, and was dismayed to find one woefully out of date: "Party membership is now deeply unfashionable with all parties under 200,000". The change is remarkable - and of course the wave of new enthusiasts wouldn't be swamping the older members if the size of the older membership hadn't been withering on the vine for years.

    The underlying issue remains that the centre-left needs not just an attractive leader but an attractive project. That will remain important regardless of whether people split or not, and its absence will doom any new party in the same way..
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,562

    welshowl said:

    glw said:

    Looks like we are going to see a Corbyn GE campaign after all....what could possibly go wrong?

    Some sort of Pledgehenge? An entire army of Elvis impersonators? Gerry Adams campaigning alongside Corbyn? Accidentally designing a new logo for the Labour Party that looks a bit like a swastika?
    I'm with my Labour supporting friend, when I showed him the previous thread, his response

    'You just fucking know during the next general election campaign, Corbyn's going to go campaigning in Warrington South with Gerry Adams'
    Corbyn should think less parochially. I'm hoping for campaign appearances by Robert Mugabe and Kim Jong-un.
    Why stop at the living? Lenin's still lying in Red Square, I'm sure Putin would loan him out for a spin down Nuneaton High St in his glass box.
    I could imagine it falling through at the last moment and Corbyn would instead decide to hold a campaign seance to put people in touch with the great socialist leaders of the past.
    Doesn't Virgin trains serve Nuneaton? There'll be no seats for Lenin.
  • AndyJS said:

    I'd be interested to know whether Norman Tebbit has changed his mind about the famous "Cricket Test".

    My Tebbit Chip is working just fine :)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,562
    glw said:

    Nothing encapsulates Labour's nightmare more than these numbers. Hard working members, many of whom have given years to the party, knocking on doors etc etc, have had their party stolen by a bunch of entryists from hard-left splinter parties and neophytes who have never met a swing voter on a doorstep in their lives.

    They don't even like swing voters, so meeting them is not going to help, no that they will do that anyway when they can win the election on Twitter.
    Precisely. No need to meet the voters, Corbyn has already won the General Election, it says so on my ipad.
  • See, I'm a visionary, I did a thread this morning saying don't underestimate Corbyn, and we get an awesome poll for Jez this evening
  • I might do a thread comparing Corbyn to Scipio Africanus, and his opponents to Hannibal
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    I'm glad to see that TSE's stint as guest editor is as usual quiet, dull and doesn't require a new thread as often as Jos Buttler hits a six.

    Edit - and sixth like Owen Smith in this two horse race and Labour in the 2025 election.

    I'm absolutely sated at the moment. I can barely function.

    I was at Trent Bridge today, Oh Lord what a time to be alive.
    Watched the highlights today. Incredibly they almost slowed down towards the end. And then we had Root scoring "only" 85 in 86 balls. Surely 450 is on the cards soon.
    Need to drop Root...scores too slowly ;-)...Stokes bench warming and Bairstow not even in the team, think how many more they would get if those two got going.
    The competition for batting places is something else. I have never seen an England squad like it.
    First time I've been glad at Root losing his wicket. I so wanted the team to get to 444. Then I was mad that Morgan put himself in instead of Stokes. Unbelievable they got there without Stokes even wielding his bat in anger.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited August 2016

    I gave a talk today to a Chinese think-tank group about how British democracy works, using slides from 18 months ago, and was dismayed to find one woefully out of date: "Party membership is now deeply unfashionable with all parties under 200,000". The change is remarkable - and of course the wave of new enthusiasts wouldn't be swamping the older members if the size of the older membership hadn't been withering on the vine for years.

    The underlying issue remains that the centre-left needs not just an attractive leader but an attractive project. That will remain important regardless of whether people split or not, and its absence will doom any new party in the same way..

    I don't believe the Chinese ever have these issues with party membership numbers...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,239

    Sky Sports did a segment a few months ago showing Bairstow and co doing hitting drills. Nasser basically said in his day nobody could hit like that. Bairstow was explaining how batting technique has altered massively since even started playing.

    I was watching a segment on the change in modern golfers swings compared to Faldo era. Its a similar thing, Tiger came along smashing it miles, they altered courses, and now the idea of Faldo straight down the middle course management is dead and buried. All the top modern golfers have a very different approach to swinging the club.

    There is surely going to come a point, soon, when bats are going to have to be modified. At the moment there are too many grounds that are just not big enough in the same way as we saw with golf courses when drives went up above 250m.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,562

    I gave a talk today to a Chinese think-tank group about how British democracy works, using slides from 18 months ago, and was dismayed to find one woefully out of date: "Party membership is now deeply unfashionable with all parties under 200,000". The change is remarkable - and of course the wave of new enthusiasts wouldn't be swamping the older members if the size of the older membership hadn't been withering on the vine for years.

    The underlying issue remains that the centre-left needs not just an attractive leader but an attractive project. That will remain important regardless of whether people split or not, and its absence will doom any new party in the same way..

    Sorry, I fail to see where an "attractive project" is going to come from Corbyn and co.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited August 2016
    DavidL said:

    Sky Sports did a segment a few months ago showing Bairstow and co doing hitting drills. Nasser basically said in his day nobody could hit like that. Bairstow was explaining how batting technique has altered massively since even started playing.

    I was watching a segment on the change in modern golfers swings compared to Faldo era. Its a similar thing, Tiger came along smashing it miles, they altered courses, and now the idea of Faldo straight down the middle course management is dead and buried. All the top modern golfers have a very different approach to swinging the club.

    There is surely going to come a point, soon, when bats are going to have to be modified. At the moment there are too many grounds that are just not big enough in the same way as we saw with golf courses when drives went up above 250m.
    They certainly wave massive lumps of tree trunk around these days.

    What they also did in golf was limit the maximum head volume, as again with modern material the equipment makers were able to produce drivers with massive heads but where light enough to swing but had enormous faces which increased so called trampoline effect.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Errrr Don?
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    edited August 2016
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    I'm glad to see that TSE's stint as guest editor is as usual quiet, dull and doesn't require a new thread as often as Jos Buttler hits a six.

    Edit - and sixth like Owen Smith in this two horse race and Labour in the 2025 election.

    I'm absolutely sated at the moment. I can barely function.

    I was at Trent Bridge today, Oh Lord what a time to be alive.
    Watched the highlights today. Incredibly they almost slowed down towards the end. And then we had Root scoring "only" 85 in 86 balls. Surely 450 is on the cards soon.
    I reckon if slow coach Root or Hales had gotten out 5 overs earlier, we would have got 500.

    When the England innings ended, I swear to Allah, the crowd, especially we English fans gave out a sigh that you only manage after a post coital cigarette.

    AND I'VE GOT TICKETS TO HEADINGLEY, PLEASE LET US WIN THE TOSS AND BAT FIRST
    One day I might understand why Vince played ahead of Buttler in the test matches. Maybe.
    I dunno... they bat in different positions, Buttler has consistently failed to translate his one day form into the test arena (similar, for example to Hales), Vince was obviously picked to do better than he has, batting in test cricket is a different art to limited over cricket, Buttler effectively made himself unavailable at the start of the summer...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,562
    George Eaton ‏@georgeeaton 17m17 minutes ago
    Smith supporters hoped to: 1. Narrow Corbyn's margin of victory. 2. Win among at least one group. @YouGov poll suggests neither likely.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited August 2016
    alex. said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    I'm glad to see that TSE's stint as guest editor is as usual quiet, dull and doesn't require a new thread as often as Jos Buttler hits a six.

    Edit - and sixth like Owen Smith in this two horse race and Labour in the 2025 election.

    I'm absolutely sated at the moment. I can barely function.

    I was at Trent Bridge today, Oh Lord what a time to be alive.
    Watched the highlights today. Incredibly they almost slowed down towards the end. And then we had Root scoring "only" 85 in 86 balls. Surely 450 is on the cards soon.
    I reckon if slow coach Root or Hales had gotten out 5 overs earlier, we would have got 500.

    When the England innings ended, I swear to Allah, the crowd, especially we English fans gave out a sigh that you only manage after a post coital cigarette.

    AND I'VE GOT TICKETS TO HEADINGLEY, PLEASE LET US WIN THE TOSS AND BAT FIRST
    One day I might understand why Vince played ahead of Buttler in the test matches. Maybe.
    I dunno... they bat in different positions, Buttler has consistently failed to translate his one day form into the test arena (similar, for example to Hales), Vince was obviously picked to do better than he has, batting in test cricket is a different art to limited over cricket, Buttler effectively made himself unavailable at the start of the summer...
    I think unlike Hales and Vince, Buttler doesn't appear to have massive technical flaws. He is also a better keeper than Bairstow. Perhaps play Bairstow as the specialist batsman and Buttler as the keeper? Got to be better than Balance or Vince.

    Still got the big problem of opener position and need to find more options in the bowling department.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    Corbyn emphatically losing pre 2015 election members is certainly significant, highlights the entryism for all to see.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    We urgently need another thread by Don Brind explaining why this poll is wrong and that Owen Smith is sweeping to victory .
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,963
    However terrible a candidate Owen Smith is, I'm struggling to imagine who actually could have beaten Corbyn. The only name that comes to mind is Alan Johnson, but would anyone have had a chance against the army of post-GE true believers?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    Artist said:

    Corbyn emphatically losing pre 2015 election members is certainly significant, highlights the entryism for all to see.

    Not really. As I said yesterday, I know a number of the switchers in this group. They aren't, in general, especially anti-Corbyn. But as longstanding members they prioritise winning, while the new recruits tend to prioritise getting an attractive programme - something we've discussed to death here. It's not really fair to describe most of the latter as entryists, though obviously there are a few.

    Thing is, I don't think one can actually win an election without enthusiasm. I've yet to meet a single Owen Smith enthusiast, though I guess Don is one. Nobody hates Owen and at least he's got the guts to stand, but he's just not rousing any real support.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited August 2016
    Mmmmm...
  • Essexit said:

    However terrible a candidate Owen Smith is, I'm struggling to imagine who actually could have beaten Corbyn. The only name that comes to mind is Alan Johnson, but would anyone have had a chance against the army of post-GE true believers?

    Ed Miliband.
  • Artist said:

    Corbyn emphatically losing pre 2015 election members is certainly significant, highlights the entryism for all to see.

    Not really. As I said yesterday, I know a number of the switchers in this group. They aren't, in general, especially anti-Corbyn. But as longstanding members they prioritise winning, while the new recruits tend to prioritise getting an attractive programme - something we've discussed to death here. It's not really fair to describe most of the latter as entryists, though obviously there are a few.

    Thing is, I don't think one can actually win an election without enthusiasm. I've yet to meet a single Owen Smith enthusiast, though I guess Don is one. Nobody hates Owen and at least he's got the guts to stand, but he's just not rousing any real support.
    Any chance of a thread by you on this?
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited August 2016
    Based on my experience with Labourites in my patch, I would expect Corbyn's win to be even more overwhelming than this - though admittedly, the mood might be quite different with the London membership than it is round here.

    In any case, it's no surprise at all that quite a few "ABC" voters from last year have switched to Corbyn. Any idea that the Labour "moderates" have the maturity and the political nous to successfully lead the party have been completely shattered over the past year, where we've seen them constantly scream like toddlers, showing no self-discipline whenever something they don't like is happening, offer no constructive solutions instead of just pointless moaning, tell outright lies ("John McDonnel broke into my office") and mastermind laughably feeble "plots" which would make Homer Simpson blush with embarrassment. And that's without even getting into that they called the EU Referendum spectacularly wrong, and that, if they'd had their way and Labour had made a "passionate" case for Remain, the two-thirds of Labour seats which voted Leave would now be lost for a generation.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    Has anyone else seen Paul Flynn's new proposals for MP expenses? Doing away with receipts - because it is too much of a chore. So in the Corbyn future, MPs will be able to claim everything without scrutiny.

    Welcome to the new world
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,239
    alex. said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    I'm glad to see that TSE's stint as guest editor is as usual quiet, dull and doesn't require a new thread as often as Jos Buttler hits a six.

    Edit - and sixth like Owen Smith in this two horse race and Labour in the 2025 election.

    I'm absolutely sated at the moment. I can barely function.

    I was at Trent Bridge today, Oh Lord what a time to be alive.
    Watched the highlights today. Incredibly they almost slowed down towards the end. And then we had Root scoring "only" 85 in 86 balls. Surely 450 is on the cards soon.
    I reckon if slow coach Root or Hales had gotten out 5 overs earlier, we would have got 500.

    When the England innings ended, I swear to Allah, the crowd, especially we English fans gave out a sigh that you only manage after a post coital cigarette.

    AND I'VE GOT TICKETS TO HEADINGLEY, PLEASE LET US WIN THE TOSS AND BAT FIRST
    One day I might understand why Vince played ahead of Buttler in the test matches. Maybe.
    I dunno... they bat in different positions, Buttler has consistently failed to translate his one day form into the test arena (similar, for example to Hales), Vince was obviously picked to do better than he has, batting in test cricket is a different art to limited over cricket, Buttler effectively made himself unavailable at the start of the summer...
    Well Buttler would not have played where Vince did in the batting line up but at 6 or 7 he would have the potential to be another Adam Gilchrist. Such talent really should not be denied.
  • DavidL said:

    alex. said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    I'm glad to see that TSE's stint as guest editor is as usual quiet, dull and doesn't require a new thread as often as Jos Buttler hits a six.

    Edit - and sixth like Owen Smith in this two horse race and Labour in the 2025 election.

    I'm absolutely sated at the moment. I can barely function.

    I was at Trent Bridge today, Oh Lord what a time to be alive.
    Watched the highlights today. Incredibly they almost slowed down towards the end. And then we had Root scoring "only" 85 in 86 balls. Surely 450 is on the cards soon.
    I reckon if slow coach Root or Hales had gotten out 5 overs earlier, we would have got 500.

    When the England innings ended, I swear to Allah, the crowd, especially we English fans gave out a sigh that you only manage after a post coital cigarette.

    AND I'VE GOT TICKETS TO HEADINGLEY, PLEASE LET US WIN THE TOSS AND BAT FIRST
    One day I might understand why Vince played ahead of Buttler in the test matches. Maybe.
    I dunno... they bat in different positions, Buttler has consistently failed to translate his one day form into the test arena (similar, for example to Hales), Vince was obviously picked to do better than he has, batting in test cricket is a different art to limited over cricket, Buttler effectively made himself unavailable at the start of the summer...
    Well Buttler would not have played where Vince did in the batting line up but at 6 or 7 he would have the potential to be another Adam Gilchrist. Such talent really should not be denied.
    Drop Vince, Bring Ali up to 4, Bairstow at 5, Stokes 6, Buttler at 7.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    Cruelly timed YouGov for Don of this parish....

    But rings true with what we're hearing. St Jez is always right, and CCTV is a Tory stooge.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    To be fair, indicting Corbyn for the loss of EUref is daft. Labour voters split similarly to the SNP and I don't hear calls for Sturgeon to commit seppuku.

    I see no way forward if this poll reflects the result. Labour are in zugzwang.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,769

    Artist said:

    Corbyn emphatically losing pre 2015 election members is certainly significant, highlights the entryism for all to see.

    Not really. As I said yesterday, I know a number of the switchers in this group. They aren't, in general, especially anti-Corbyn. But as longstanding members they prioritise winning, while the new recruits tend to prioritise getting an attractive programme - something we've discussed to death here. It's not really fair to describe most of the latter as entryists, though obviously there are a few.

    Thing is, I don't think one can actually win an election without enthusiasm. I've yet to meet a single Owen Smith enthusiast, though I guess Don is one. Nobody hates Owen and at least he's got the guts to stand, but he's just not rousing any real support.
    Bad times.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,239

    DavidL said:

    alex. said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    I'm glad to see that TSE's stint as guest editor is as usual quiet, dull and doesn't require a new thread as often as Jos Buttler hits a six.

    Edit - and sixth like Owen Smith in this two horse race and Labour in the 2025 election.

    I'm absolutely sated at the moment. I can barely function.

    I was at Trent Bridge today, Oh Lord what a time to be alive.
    Watched the highlights today. Incredibly they almost slowed down towards the end. And then we had Root scoring "only" 85 in 86 balls. Surely 450 is on the cards soon.
    I reckon if slow coach Root or Hales had gotten out 5 overs earlier, we would have got 500.

    When the England innings ended, I swear to Allah, the crowd, especially we English fans gave out a sigh that you only manage after a post coital cigarette.

    AND I'VE GOT TICKETS TO HEADINGLEY, PLEASE LET US WIN THE TOSS AND BAT FIRST
    One day I might understand why Vince played ahead of Buttler in the test matches. Maybe.
    I dunno... they bat in different positions, Buttler has consistently failed to translate his one day form into the test arena (similar, for example to Hales), Vince was obviously picked to do better than he has, batting in test cricket is a different art to limited over cricket, Buttler effectively made himself unavailable at the start of the summer...
    Well Buttler would not have played where Vince did in the batting line up but at 6 or 7 he would have the potential to be another Adam Gilchrist. Such talent really should not be denied.
    Drop Vince, Bring Ali up to 4, Bairstow at 5, Stokes 6, Buttler at 7.
    Yes, that would work. And with Woakes at 8 that would be a genuinely scary batting line up.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,450
    edited August 2016
    Inevitable and deserved. He was elected with a huge mandate by membership just a year ago. The way the PLP have behaved, seeking to over-turn that mandate, was a disgrace.

    Let this also be a lesson to those anti-democrats who are seeking to re-run the referendum...
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,503
    It really is quite remarkable how Labour, having elected one of the worst leaders imaginable, has come up with an opponent who is even worse.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    glw said:

    Looks like we are going to see a Corbyn GE campaign after all....what could possibly go wrong?

    Some sort of Pledgehenge? An entire army of Elvis impersonators? Gerry Adams campaigning alongside Corbyn? Accidentally designing a new logo for the Labour Party that looks a bit like a swastika?
    Far from this continual balls about a 'progressive alliance', I expect we'll see a couple of enterprising New Labourites switching to the Tories. Lining one up for the first day of the Labour conference would be fun...
  • DavidL said:

    alex. said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    I'm glad to see that TSE's stint as guest editor is as usual quiet, dull and doesn't require a new thread as often as Jos Buttler hits a six.

    Edit - and sixth like Owen Smith in this two horse race and Labour in the 2025 election.

    I'm absolutely sated at the moment. I can barely function.

    I was at Trent Bridge today, Oh Lord what a time to be alive.
    Watched the highlights today. Incredibly they almost slowed down towards the end. And then we had Root scoring "only" 85 in 86 balls. Surely 450 is on the cards soon.
    I reckon if slow coach Root or Hales had gotten out 5 overs earlier, we would have got 500.

    When the England innings ended, I swear to Allah, the crowd, especially we English fans gave out a sigh that you only manage after a post coital cigarette.

    AND I'VE GOT TICKETS TO HEADINGLEY, PLEASE LET US WIN THE TOSS AND BAT FIRST
    One day I might understand why Vince played ahead of Buttler in the test matches. Maybe.
    I dunno... they bat in different positions, Buttler has consistently failed to translate his one day form into the test arena (similar, for example to Hales), Vince was obviously picked to do better than he has, batting in test cricket is a different art to limited over cricket, Buttler effectively made himself unavailable at the start of the summer...
    Well Buttler would not have played where Vince did in the batting line up but at 6 or 7 he would have the potential to be another Adam Gilchrist. Such talent really should not be denied.
    Drop Vince, Bring Ali up to 4, Bairstow at 5, Stokes 6, Buttler at 7.
    Ali at 4 is too high.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Southam Observer will be happy with 38% for Owen.
  • But Don Brind Saving Labour ... does not compute ...
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Mortimer said:

    glw said:

    Looks like we are going to see a Corbyn GE campaign after all....what could possibly go wrong?

    Some sort of Pledgehenge? An entire army of Elvis impersonators? Gerry Adams campaigning alongside Corbyn? Accidentally designing a new logo for the Labour Party that looks a bit like a swastika?
    Far from this continual balls about a 'progressive alliance', I expect we'll see a couple of enterprising New Labourites switching to the Tories. Lining one up for the first day of the Labour conference would be fun...
    Good luck to them holding their seats in the ensuing by-elections.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,239
    Cyclefree said:

    It really is quite remarkable how Labour, having elected one of the worst leaders imaginable, has come up with an opponent who is even worse.

    Smith is an extremely ordinary candidate but at least there is some prospect of the PLP working with him rather than against him. Corbyn really is a road to oblivion. Perhaps his supporters will be happy when a significant part of the PLP loses their jobs as a result.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,292
    Is there any detail fleshing out the sub-heading - "Rival's supporters ready to split"?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,769
    Danny565 said:

    Mortimer said:

    glw said:

    Looks like we are going to see a Corbyn GE campaign after all....what could possibly go wrong?

    Some sort of Pledgehenge? An entire army of Elvis impersonators? Gerry Adams campaigning alongside Corbyn? Accidentally designing a new logo for the Labour Party that looks a bit like a swastika?
    Far from this continual balls about a 'progressive alliance', I expect we'll see a couple of enterprising New Labourites switching to the Tories. Lining one up for the first day of the Labour conference would be fun...
    Good luck to them holding their seats in the ensuing by-elections.
    They'll need luck to hold their seat if they stay.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    Essexit said:

    However terrible a candidate Owen Smith is, I'm struggling to imagine who actually could have beaten Corbyn. The only name that comes to mind is Alan Johnson, but would anyone have had a chance against the army of post-GE true believers?

    One of the most unfair things is how Corbyn has been blamed by his opponents for Brexit.

    The person who failed to energise the Labour vote was Alan Johnson. He played a key role in the campaign. For Chrissake, Johnson couldn't even persuade his own constituency to vote Remain.

    Leave took 67.6 per cent of the vote in Hull. Remain were walloped in Johnson's Hull.

    And somehow, the conclusion of this is that Corbyn is to blame for Brexit, and Johnson is not.
  • Cookie said:

    Is there any detail fleshing out the sub-heading - "Rival's supporters ready to split"?

    Not yet, will be up on The Times website shortly after midnight
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    John_M said:

    To be fair, indicting Corbyn for the loss of EUref is daft. Labour voters split similarly to the SNP and I don't hear calls for Sturgeon to commit seppuku.

    I see no way forward if this poll reflects the result. Labour are in zugzwang.

    Quite. It is in fact more telling that the right of Labour would go to the mattresses for Europe but not for other policies. They're a flailing metropolitan party that have lost a voting base.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158

    DavidL said:

    alex. said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    I'm glad to see that TSE's stint as guest editor is as usual quiet, dull and doesn't require a new thread as often as Jos Buttler hits a six.

    Edit - and sixth like Owen Smith in this two horse race and Labour in the 2025 election.

    I'm absolutely sated at the moment. I can barely function.

    I was at Trent Bridge today, Oh Lord what a time to be alive.
    Watched the highlights today. Incredibly they almost slowed down towards the end. And then we had Root scoring "only" 85 in 86 balls. Surely 450 is on the cards soon.
    I reckon if slow coach Root or Hales had gotten out 5 overs earlier, we would have got 500.

    When the England innings ended, I swear to Allah, the crowd, especially we English fans gave out a sigh that you only manage after a post coital cigarette.

    AND I'VE GOT TICKETS TO HEADINGLEY, PLEASE LET US WIN THE TOSS AND BAT FIRST
    One day I might understand why Vince played ahead of Buttler in the test matches. Maybe.
    I dunno... they bat in different positions, Buttler has consistently failed to translate his one day form into the test arena (similar, for example to Hales), Vince was obviously picked to do better than he has, batting in test cricket is a different art to limited over cricket, Buttler effectively made himself unavailable at the start of the summer...
    Well Buttler would not have played where Vince did in the batting line up but at 6 or 7 he would have the potential to be another Adam Gilchrist. Such talent really should not be denied.
    Drop Vince, Bring Ali up to 4, Bairstow at 5, Stokes 6, Buttler at 7.
    Ali at 4 is too high.
    He should be 3....thrived there for Worcs.
  • BudGBudG Posts: 711
    So the unelectable Jeremy Corbyn is set to be elected again and the 70 thousand sign ups claimed by Saving Labour appears to be hogwash.

    Quelle surprise!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited August 2016
    Just another nutter known locally as Dave...but a nutter who liked AQ....move along, nothing to see.

    He had been noted but never charged for daubing the walls of the same police station with slogans referring to self-styled al-Qaeda member, Mohamed Merah.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3765370/French-police-officer-wounded-knife-wielding-attacker.html
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    edited August 2016
    Danny565 said:

    Mortimer said:

    glw said:

    Looks like we are going to see a Corbyn GE campaign after all....what could possibly go wrong?

    Some sort of Pledgehenge? An entire army of Elvis impersonators? Gerry Adams campaigning alongside Corbyn? Accidentally designing a new logo for the Labour Party that looks a bit like a swastika?
    Far from this continual balls about a 'progressive alliance', I expect we'll see a couple of enterprising New Labourites switching to the Tories. Lining one up for the first day of the Labour conference would be fun...
    Good luck to them holding their seats in the ensuing by-elections.
    Erm, have you seen the polls?

    I can name at least two Labour MPs who would win under any label. Labour is the C&A of today; only really exists outside of the U.K.,and it might yet become the BHS.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,292

    DavidL said:

    alex. said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    I'm glad to see that TSE's stint as guest editor is as usual quiet, dull and doesn't require a new thread as often as Jos Buttler hits a six.

    Edit - and sixth like Owen Smith in this two horse race and Labour in the 2025 election.

    I'm absolutely sated at the moment. I can barely function.

    I was at Trent Bridge today, Oh Lord what a time to be alive.
    Watched the highlights today. Incredibly they almost slowed down towards the end. And then we had Root scoring "only" 85 in 86 balls. Surely 450 is on the cards soon.
    I reckon if slow coach Root or Hales had gotten out 5 overs earlier, we would have got 500.

    When the England innings ended, I swear to Allah, the crowd, especially we English fans gave out a sigh that you only manage after a post coital cigarette.

    AND I'VE GOT TICKETS TO HEADINGLEY, PLEASE LET US WIN THE TOSS AND BAT FIRST
    One day I might understand why Vince played ahead of Buttler in the test matches. Maybe.
    I dunno... they bat in different positions, Buttler has consistently failed to translate his one day form into the test arena (similar, for example to Hales), Vince was obviously picked to do better than he has, batting in test cricket is a different art to limited over cricket, Buttler effectively made himself unavailable at the start of the summer...
    Well Buttler would not have played where Vince did in the batting line up but at 6 or 7 he would have the potential to be another Adam Gilchrist. Such talent really should not be denied.
    Drop Vince, Bring Ali up to 4, Bairstow at 5, Stokes 6, Buttler at 7.
    Ali at 4 is too high.
    I'd still like to see Scott Borthwick tried out at three - giving the additional benefit of an extra spin option. Root at 4, Bairstow 5, Stokes 6, Ali 7, Buttler 8, Woakes 9. Basically a team of all-rounders. Do you remember when our one all-rounder was Paul Collingwood?
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    BudG said:

    So the unelectable Jeremy Corbyn is set to be elected again and the 70 thousand sign ups claimed by Saving Labour appears to be hogwash.

    Quelle surprise!

    He is being elected by a selectorate made up of a lot of fellow travellers.

    He has shown no ability to be elected by the wider electorate - there is no evidence that he is a potential PM
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Mortimer said:

    Danny565 said:

    Mortimer said:

    glw said:

    Looks like we are going to see a Corbyn GE campaign after all....what could possibly go wrong?

    Some sort of Pledgehenge? An entire army of Elvis impersonators? Gerry Adams campaigning alongside Corbyn? Accidentally designing a new logo for the Labour Party that looks a bit like a swastika?
    Far from this continual balls about a 'progressive alliance', I expect we'll see a couple of enterprising New Labourites switching to the Tories. Lining one up for the first day of the Labour conference would be fun...
    Good luck to them holding their seats in the ensuing by-elections.
    Erm, have you seen the polls?

    I can name at least two Labour MPs who would win under any label. Labour is the C&A of today; only really exists outside of the U.K.,and it might yet become the BHS.
    You think the Tories would GAIN seats in byelections??

    Did you see the results of this year's local elections?
  • Mortimer said:

    DavidL said:

    alex. said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    I'm glad to see that TSE's stint as guest editor is as usual quiet, dull and doesn't require a new thread as often as Jos Buttler hits a six.

    Edit - and sixth like Owen Smith in this two horse race and Labour in the 2025 election.

    I'm absolutely sated at the moment. I can barely function.

    I was at Trent Bridge today, Oh Lord what a time to be alive.
    Watched the highlights today. Incredibly they almost slowed down towards the end. And then we had Root scoring "only" 85 in 86 balls. Surely 450 is on the cards soon.
    I reckon if slow coach Root or Hales had gotten out 5 overs earlier, we would have got 500.

    When the England innings ended, I swear to Allah, the crowd, especially we English fans gave out a sigh that you only manage after a post coital cigarette.

    AND I'VE GOT TICKETS TO HEADINGLEY, PLEASE LET US WIN THE TOSS AND BAT FIRST
    One day I might understand why Vince played ahead of Buttler in the test matches. Maybe.
    I dunno... they bat in different positions, Buttler has consistently failed to translate his one day form into the test arena (similar, for example to Hales), Vince was obviously picked to do better than he has, batting in test cricket is a different art to limited over cricket, Buttler effectively made himself unavailable at the start of the summer...
    Well Buttler would not have played where Vince did in the batting line up but at 6 or 7 he would have the potential to be another Adam Gilchrist. Such talent really should not be denied.
    Drop Vince, Bring Ali up to 4, Bairstow at 5, Stokes 6, Buttler at 7.
    Ali at 4 is too high.
    He should be 3....thrived there for Worcs.
    FC average of 38.77. Nothing special.

    More importantly, at Test Match level, has he shown the consistent ability to dig in for long periods, technically very sound, never giving opportunities etc etc etc, which is what you need from #3 / #4.

    For me he hasn't. He is fine coming at 7/8 and being very dangerous if he gets going.
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