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  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    tim said:

    Nice tits.

    I was somewhat disappointed when I clicked the link.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    Has anyone seen this woman? Although her (rather threadbare) CV describes her as "Leader of the Scottish Labour Party" (sic) she has gone AWOL during the biggest crisis of her "leadership" (sic).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JohannLamontMSPgreenjacket.jpg

    They're making a film about it. ;)
    Andy-D-SNP ‏@Brig_o_Stirling

    THE SILENCE OF THE LAMONT! A modern day horror story about the slow and painful death of the Scottish Labour Party. #indyref
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    tim said:

    Nice tits.

    I was somewhat disappointed when I clicked the link.
    I was somewhat disappointed when I saw the post.

    Clearly a squirrel looking for nuts.

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Picture of the plane that crashed


    https://path.com/p/1lwrZb
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    AveryLP said:


    You must stop listening to tim and start appreciating boy George's master strategy through all the camouflage of complexity.

    Whatever else Osborne achieves (probably not much) he will always be remembered fondly by me as the politician that got tim to pay for our cocktail party.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,845
    edited July 2013
    Watching the Sky coverage, if they all got out safely, as some reports are saying, then they've been blooming lucky. A piece of the tail is in the water; it hit the rip-rap that protects the land from the waves.

    First and probably utterly incorrect thought: a 777 crash-landed at Heathrow in 2008 when engine thrust reduced on final approach. They were very lucky as well not to land much before the runway. I wonder if the Asiana plane uses Rolls Royce engines? If so, might it be another slush problem?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_38

    Almost certainly wrong, but it's piqued my interest. Anyway, let's hope the reports are right and everyone got out.

    Edit: guess I'm wrong. It looks as though the Asiana 777's use Pratt & Whitney engines, not RR. So unlikely to be slush again.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,295
    Neil said:

    AveryLP said:


    You must stop listening to tim and start appreciating boy George's master strategy through all the camouflage of complexity.

    Whatever else Osborne achieves (probably not much) he will always be remembered fondly by me as the politician that got tim to pay for our cocktail party.
    I'll second that.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,314
    Looks pretty bad the SF crash, hope as many people as possible got out safely.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Two deaths and 48 people treated for "serious injuries" in SFO crash.

    Fox News.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    I crashed in a Bell Jet Ranger at that very spot, total write off ,but the pilot and i got out ok....caused a bit of ATC panic tho, ..Apparently the gyro assist packed in..twenty seconds later we would have gone into the bay
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,090
    I hope that train explosion in Canada hasn't caused too many injuries.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Andy_JS said:

    I hope that train explosion in Canada hasn't caused too many injuries.

    The question is why did the train derail.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,090
    Malcolm Gladwell discussed the previously poor safety record of South Korean airlines in his 2008 book Outliers:

    http://blogs.wsj.com/middleseat/2008/12/04/malcolm-gladwell-on-culture-cockpit-communication-and-plane-crashes/
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,845
    Y0kel said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I hope that train explosion in Canada hasn't caused too many injuries.

    The question is why did the train derail.
    Reports says the train separated on a gradient - the locomotive was found further up the track, where it had been 'parked' for a driver change. If this is true, a broken coupling is the most likely cause. However the wagon's air brakes should have operated automatically. It's sad there were no catch or trap points to stop derailed trains before the town, although they sometimes depend on knowing a train has runaway.

    If you wanted to cause a terrorist outrage with a chemical train, there'd be easier ways of doing it. Possible, though.

    It reminds me of the Summit Tunnel fire: see 1:35 in:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMkokwMROGs
  • O/T

    ***** Betting Post *****

    Does Paddy Power know something the rest of us don't?

    They are at odds with the other major bookies in terms of the date of birth of the royal baby, which they are clearly expecting to take place very soon:

    07/07/13 ......Paddy Power 7/2 ...... Hills 10/1
    08/07/13 ......Paddy Power 9/2 ...... Hills 10/1
    09?07/13 ......Paddy Power 8/1 .... Corals 11/1
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    I believe on Betfair that NOM has now overtaken Lab Maj as the most likely outcome based on the market odds. If I knew how to chart these 2, I'd be able to say if that's a common event or something more worthy of note...
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Jane Merrick‏@janemerrick233m
    Lots of Lab MPs are tweeting about Ed's "strong" piece on unions in Obs tomorrow. But in private, many are worried he's not on front foot
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,517
    Andrew Neil@afneil Met somebody from cast of Made in Chelsea. Said the show made me think of voting Communist. She had no idea what I was talking about
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,517
    Tony Blair in Observer: Egyptian army had no alternative but to oust President Morsi from power, given strength of opposition on streets (of course over a million on the streets over Iraq was merely a storm in a teacup)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,314
    HYUFD said:

    Tony Blair in Observer: Egyptian army had no alternative but to oust President Morsi from power, given strength of opposition on streets (of course over a million on the streets over Iraq was merely a storm in a teacup)

    If a million turned up on the streets of the UK they would be "kettled"?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Good newspapers for Ed Miliband (ie for what they don't have).
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,517
    Sunil - Sadly for Morsi he could not rely on his army to do the same for him, despite the fact he also won a democratic election
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,112
    HYUFD said:

    Sunil - Sadly for Morsi he could not rely on his army to do the same for him, despite the fact he also won a democratic election

    Well it isn't/wasn't Blairs army anyway
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Mr McCluskey said: "Unite is proud that it is trying to reclaim Labour from the people that bought in to the free-market myth wholesale, who bet the country's future on the City of London - and who sometimes fiddled their expenses while they were at it."

    Parliament had become "increasingly the preserve of an out-of-touch elite - Oxbridge-educated special advisers who glide from university to think tank to the green benches [of the House of Commons] without ever sniffing the air of the real world", he said.

    "That is what Unite is trying to change. We want to give our democracy back to ordinary working people."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23214554
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,260
    edited July 2013
    First bit of yougov polling out (From the Sunday Times Editorial)

    Nearly half the country regards Ed Miliband as weak and only 20% of voters believe he is up to the job of prime minister.

    Unnervingly for Mr Miliband, only 22% of Labour voters describe him as “strong”; 26% perceive him as “weak”. His character is now pretty well known to the public. He certainly has patience, as Mr Watson put it, and perhaps he thinks deeply, although not to any great discernible purpose. But resolve? It would be good to see some.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    antifrank said:

    Good newspapers for Ed Miliband (ie for what they don't have).

    No news is good news I suppose!
  • News Flash - NBC now reporting 2 dead, dozens injured in today's crash at San Francisco International airport, of Aisiana airlines Boeing 777 from South Korea.

    Few minutes ago, Seattle aviation journalist (and a good one) Brian Johnston (sp) said that this crash bears similarities with crash at Heathrow, in which (if I got what he said right) ice formed inside fuel lines of Rolls Royce engines.

    In Seattle, it's ALWAYS news when a Boeing airplane crashes.

    Sadly, it's NOT news hear or anywhere else when a Microsoft computer product crashes . . .
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,735
    Was it just a month ago we were being told to prepare for 10 years of damp, cold summers? We have the world's worst weather forecasters!
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    I think Len is quite right, and potentially tapping into a strong feeling in the country of dissafection, the NOTA vote that is vulnerable to UKIP.

    His description of Oxbridge educated SPADs sliding onto the Green benches of power without a proper days work in the real one is an accurate summary of our political class.

    It is also a very good description of UNITEs preferred choice of leader, Ed Milliband. I am all in favour of more diversity of background in politics, but are UNITEs preferred candidates just another bunch of professional wannabes rather than horny handed sons and daughters of toil?

    Mr McCluskey said: "Unite is proud that it is trying to reclaim Labour from the people that bought in to the free-market myth wholesale, who bet the country's future on the City of London - and who sometimes fiddled their expenses while they were at it."

    Parliament had become "increasingly the preserve of an out-of-touch elite - Oxbridge-educated special advisers who glide from university to think tank to the green benches [of the House of Commons] without ever sniffing the air of the real world", he said.

    "That is what Unite is trying to change. We want to give our democracy back to ordinary working people."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23214554

  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    edited July 2013
    I haven't said much re the current Labour problems, but I have now formed a more positive view of EdM. I'm not sure he's going to get much, or indeed, any credit with the public - for he fell into the common trap of acting too late - and he's on a losing hand. I wonder if he can pull it back to a draw - if Unite don't stop supporting Labour to a similar extent to what they currently do; if few (preferably no) new mines explode over other selections, and so on. Should be interesting to observe.

    His position is not in doubt in my mind and very difficult to see anything on the horizon either for the others.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    tims tweeter of choice is on the money again, never mind the hypocrisy of Ed given the below article, what about his preferred lady?

    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges 1m
    Len McCluskey in S.Mirror complains about too many special advisors becoming MPs. Remind me, what is Karie Murphy's job?
  • YOKEL - re; today's other major transport disaster, the Lac-Megantic train derailment in Quebec, just a few miles from the Maine border, of oil shipment headed to US.

    Crash ocurred in semi-howling wilderness. From there westward is Beauce region of Quebec, to the east in Maine lot of trees and not much else for long way.

    Always posiblity of terrorism in these woods, indeed considerable history from time of settlement of New England and New France. During the US Civil War a squad of Confederates attacked US border town in northern Vermont. Few years later, Fenians staged running series of armed invasions along the Canadian border westward from Manitoba to Campobello Island (future summer home of FDR until he contracted polio there in 1920s) at the eastern terminus.

    No doubt the boyos considered it, but so far as I know, no Fenian outrages at Lac-Megantic crossing. Further west, a Fenian raid versus Victoria, BC (where the sun will NEVER set on the British Empire) never happened, though would have been a great story (except for the casulities of course) if it had!
  • Technical - these days PB is ALWAYS problematic, not just on my home computer but also on Seattle Public Library computers. Which it LOVES to crash! In homage to Bill Gates?
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    edited July 2013
    @foxinsoxuk

    I think Oxbridge educated SpAd policiticians will just be a new normal thing for people to complain endlessly about, like misbehaving teenagers or the compensation culture: true, but not clear what conclusion is really merits.

    No indication (yet) that they punish such people personally at the polls. Taking the voter for granted, however, is something different. I suppose the former could contribute to the latter, but so could much else; and it is on the latter I think most attention should be focussed.
  • TSE, how you getting along on the reseach re: West West Virginia. Is it time to alter the BC goverment (suggest we leave Alberta for later)? Would like to stage the formal seizure of soverignty at the Peace Arch this Labor Day, weather should be great!
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,709

    Technical - these days PB is ALWAYS problematic, not just on my home computer but also on Seattle Public Library computers. Which it LOVES to crash! In homage to Bill Gates?

    What's going wrong specifically? If it's crashing your whole computer then I'd say,
    a) There's already something seriously wrong with the computer.
    b) The most likely trigger is the ads. You might like to try using an ad blocker.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,260

    TSE, how you getting along on the reseach re: West West Virginia. Is it time to alter the BC goverment (suggest we leave Alberta for later)? Would like to stage the formal seizure of soverignty at the Peace Arch this Labor Day, weather should be great!

    Is all irrelevant, Her Majesty is going to seize back the colonies of America and Canada.
  • Sunil - how much luck are you having, with screenplay of "Boy Named Sunil"? My suggestion is to merging footage from Johnny Cash prison concerts (forget which one he sang "Boy Named Sue" at) with big Bollywood production numbers?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,090
    The most annoying thing about Vanilla for me is the fact that the page keeps flicking to the top of the page after a few seconds so that if you're looking at a comment half way down the page you have to keep going back to it.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,729
    I supposedly have high speed broadband.

    The main PB page opens pretty quickly (say within one second). But opening the comments is a nightmare - it can literally take well over one minute.

    I don't think it's my computer - BBC pages open in the blink of an eye - so quickly that I couldn't time it but probably less than half a second.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,090
    Blair supporting a military coup. Interesting.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,260
    Tonight's YouGov

    Lab 39

    Con 33

    UKIP 12

    Lib Dems 11
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,314
    Andy_JS said:

    Blair supporting a military coup. Interesting.

    He used his military to overthrow Saddam...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,260
    Only 10% see Ed as a strong leader
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    Tonight's YouGov

    Lab 39

    Con 33

    UKIP 12

    Lib Dems 11

    Weak results for Labour.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,260
    Is it acceptable for MPs to be sponsored by Unions

    Acceptable 32%

    Unacceptable 42%
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,260
    On Union funding of Labour

    There's nothing wrong with it 27%

    Reliance on union money risks giving them too much influence 46%
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,314

    Sunil - how much luck are you having, with screenplay of "Boy Named Sunil"? My suggestion is to merging footage from Johnny Cash prison concerts (forget which one he sang "Boy Named Sue" at) with big Bollywood production numbers?

    SSI, you know I'm a big Depeche Mode fan, right (I've seen them this year, 2009 and 2006 in concert in London). And I'm guessing you like Johnny Cash? Well, Johnny covered the Mode's 1989 hit Personal Jesus!

    (remember to "skip advert"!)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQcNiD0Z3MU
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    Only 10% see Ed as a strong leader

    Weak. Very weak.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,314

    Technical - these days PB is ALWAYS problematic, not just on my home computer but also on Seattle Public Library computers. Which it LOVES to crash! In homage to Bill Gates?

    What's going wrong specifically? If it's crashing your whole computer then I'd say,
    a) There's already something seriously wrong with the computer.
    b) The most likely trigger is the ads. You might like to try using an ad blocker.
    c) or use the domain www.politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,260
    Sunday Times approval ratings (changes from last week)

    Cameron -20 (-3)

    Ed - 34 (-3)
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,709
    MikeL said:

    I supposedly have high speed broadband.

    The main PB page opens pretty quickly (say within one second). But opening the comments is a nightmare - it can literally take well over one minute.

    I don't think it's my computer - BBC pages open in the blink of an eye - so quickly that I couldn't time it but probably less than half a second.

    Next time it happens, after you've waited about 10 seconds, try hitting "Escape" and see if what you've been waiting for shows up. Sometimes sites will be slow when there's an ad that won't load, and the browser doesn't want to show you the page until it gets it. Hitting "escape" makes it give up and show you whatever it's already got, which may turn out to be the thing you wanted in the first place.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    UNBOUND: Unite & Paisley
    06/07/2013, 06:48:45 PM
    We have withdrawn an article today relating to Unite and Mr Len McCluskey that contained allegations concerning Unite’s role in nominating Labour MPs with particular reference to Paisley. This withdrawal follows correspondence form Unite’s solicitors to the effect that information contained in the article was false. Pending further enquiries, we have withdrawn the article and request that media outlets do not report further the information contained in it.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,314
    The point is, ladies and gentlemen, that Dave, for lack of a better word, is good. Dave is right, Dave works. Dave clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Dave, in all of his forms; Dave for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And Dave, you mark my words, will not only save the Tory Party, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the UK. Thank you very much.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,260
    Paywall

    A SENIOR minister has suggested that the government should scrap the HS2 high-speed rail line and spend the money on other transport projects instead.

    David Lidington, the Europe minister, whose Aylesbury constituency in Buckinghamshire will be severely affected by the proposed railway from London to Birmingham, has written to Patrick McLoughlin, the transport secretary, detailing concerns over the new route.

    Lidington is known to have serious reservations, but his letter is the closest he or any government figure has come to calling for it to be scrapped altogether.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    The political class have gained power for their SPAD children to play with largely because the remainder have left the field. Political parties are tinynumbers of members, and only a minority of these are active contributors.

    How would anyone feel as a regular member of the party, when tens of new members mysteriously appear just before selection time to vote in the UNITE candidate? No one likes to be abused and taken for granted this way.

    Grandiose said:

    @foxinsoxuk

    I think Oxbridge educated SpAd policiticians will just be a new normal thing for people to complain endlessly about, like misbehaving teenagers or the compensation culture: true, but not clear what conclusion is really merits.

    No indication (yet) that they punish such people personally at the polls. Taking the voter for granted, however, is something different. I suppose the former could contribute to the latter, but so could much else; and it is on the latter I think most attention should be focussed.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,260
    29% of people think that Ed Miliband has been too close to the Unions, 13% too distant and 22% about right. 36% say don't know.

    Despite all the coverage of Falkirk, the Unite row and Tom Watson's resignation (which happened just before fieldwork started), this is almost unchanged from when we asked the same question last month, suggesting the row has had no real cut through yet.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    From the free preview part of the ST

    Ed Miliband was battling to contain the crisis in the Labour party last night as the row over trade union tactics spread across the country.

    As a poll showed just one in five voters believed Miliband is up to the job of prime minister, police were asked to investigate parliamentary selection processes in several new areas, including Glasgow, Crawley in West Sussex, and East Dunbartonshire.

    The Tory MP Henry Smith has asked officers to look at whether the Unite union may have committed fraud during campaigns to help favoured candidates secure safe and winnable Labour seats.

    Labour is under pressure to begin its own inquiry into Unite’s activities in Chester and Brighton. The union has denied any wrongdoing.

    One alleged incident involves two of Miliband’s frontbenchers — Maria Eagle, the shadow transport secretary, and Luciana Berger, the shadow climate change minister.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,260
    Miliband's other ratings remain poor, and if anything are getting worse rather than improving. Only 10% think he is a strong leader, 47% a weak leader (even amongst Labour voters only 22% think he is strong, 26% weak).

    Only 20% think he would be up to the job of Prime Minister (including fewer than half of Labour voters and down from 25% in May). Only 18% think he has provided an effective opposition to the government. As before, Labour's lead in the polls appears to be despite Ed Miliband, not because of him.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,517
    RobD - He was the prime minister and head of HM's Government, so technically for all intents and purposes while he held that position it was his army
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Andy_JS said:

    Blair supporting a military coup. Interesting.

    He used his military to overthrow Saddam...
    That's an invasion not a coup. It would been a coup if he'd managed to get the Iraqi military to overthrow Saddam rather than our own and our allies.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited July 2013
    It looks like the death toll in SFO is going to be much bigger than yet announced.

    291 Passengers
    18 Crew
    ----
    307 Total

    190 Transported to Terminal (82 subsequently hospitalised)
    48 Initially transported to Hospitals
    60 "Unaccounted for" (approx number?)

    2 Deaths confirmed

    The problem seems to be the "unaccounted for"


  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,090

    Paywall

    A SENIOR minister has suggested that the government should scrap the HS2 high-speed rail line and spend the money on other transport projects instead.

    David Lidington, the Europe minister, whose Aylesbury constituency in Buckinghamshire will be severely affected by the proposed railway from London to Birmingham, has written to Patrick McLoughlin, the transport secretary, detailing concerns over the new route.

    Lidington is known to have serious reservations, but his letter is the closest he or any government figure has come to calling for it to be scrapped altogether.

    Absolutely nothing to do with the fact that UKIP got the most votes in Lidington's constituency a few weeks ago...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,260
    “I haven’t known the atmosphere this jolly since the start of the coalition,” a Tory backbencher observed. “We all felt a big sigh of relief that we could agree about Europe for once. Cameron finally seemed to be getting the message that he needs to do a bit of man management and he was in full tummy-tickling mode. The fact that Labour were having such a dire time rounded off what was just a beautiful summer evening.”
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,260
    On the regular economic tracks optimism continues to creep upwards - the feel good factor (those thinking things will get better minus those who think things will get worse) is now minus 26, now the best (or least worst) figure since April 2010.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,090
    I'd be surprised if auto-pilot is responsible for the San Francisco crash.

    More likely to be a case of the pilots wrongly thinking the was a problem with the system, over-riding it, and then making mistakes due to lack of practice at flying manually.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Saddam was removed by an act of British & USA aggression in the same way that Haile Selassi was toppled by Mussolini's Italy back in 1936.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,314
    Bye-bye Qatada?
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    tim's soon to be ex favourite tweeter i fear.... the pain will fade with time.

    Dan Hodges @DPJHodges
    Ed Miliband's Observer piece is disastrous. For the umpteenth time he's saying what he won't do, rather than what he will do.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    edited July 2013
    "I think Len is quite right, and potentially tapping into a strong feeling in the country of dissafection, the NOTA vote that is vulnerable to UKIP."

    @foxinsoxuk Spot on with that observation about McCluskey tapping into a strong feeling in the country of dissafection, the NOTA vote that is vulnerable to UKIP. I was just thinking exactly the same when I read this McCluskey article.

    Its interesting to note just how deeply rooted the loathing towards the Blairite faction is within the previous and current UNITE Leaderships. Its turning into a very Brownite like vendetta against what they perceive as the Blairite enemies within the Labour party. This is despite Blair departing the stage six years ago, and also the success of their anyone but David Miliband campaign which also saw their preferred candidate winning the Labour Leadership contest. And for that successful candidate to be none other than David Miliband's own brother Ed, who could have written the script of this one despite them being long time opponents of each other while split into the Blair/Brown camps during the last Labour Government?

    Douglas Alexander is an interesting figure, like Jim Murphy I really rate him as a Scottish Labour politician. And judging by the obsession and constant attacks of the Nats on here, so does the SNP. Alexander was a very able media operator, and part of Blair's government while very much being seen as one of the young turks along with Ed Balls and Ed Miliband within Brown's inner circle. Poor Alexander was became the scapegoat in the Brown team when the Autumn GE that was never officially called, but then had to be formally and humiliatingly called off. So not only was it interesting that both Ed Balls and Ed Miliband went onto contest that Labour Leadership contest, and while Alexander along with Jim Murphy backed their main Blairite opponent David Miliband. It was also Ed Balls and Ed Miliband that ran a hard won contest to get the backing of the UNITE union in a Leadership contest, and this was a campaign well up and running before Brown even left Office.

    So the real irony of Ed Miliband's current predicament is three fold, he won't garner any support or loyalty from the Blairite faction of his Shadow Cabinet if he backs down against Len McCluskey and UNITE in the circumstances. As for the old Brownite factions now led by Ed Balls, I doubt he will be going out to bat too strongly for Ed Miliband in a war against UNITE and its powerful position within the Labour party movement. And then there is the PLP who face a tough fight in a GE drawing ever closer, and Ed Miliband and the Labour party need the vital funding for that GE that UNITE brings.

    This is yet another fine mess that the last two Labour Leader bequeathed their party, but one a Labour Leader with a strong mandate, and an even stronger Leadership qualities would have taken on and tackled the minute they were elected. Time is now too short to find a replacement for your biggest donor. Ed Miliband will fold with an attempt at some face saving gesture to avert an all out fight against a UNITE Leader well up for the fight. Ed simple hasn't managed to garner the united respect and loyalty of his Shadow Cabinet, and without their rock solid support he won't win this fight.

    Edit - Blairs biggest single internal party failure was to not water down the Union block voting in Labour Leadership contests when he was in a strong enough position to do so. And because without a rule change weakening their vote, the Blairite legacy was always going to end with him no matter how his party voted. Like Blair, David Miliband has now departed the Westminster stage for more lucrative pastures new after being seen off in the Leadership contest by the Unions. And I cannot see anyone emerging to officially claim the Blairite torch any time soon.

  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Given that we are now more than 63% of the way through this Parliament we must be pretty close to the end of 'mid-term'. This year's Autumn conference season surely will mark the start of 'late term'.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    edited July 2013
    testing!
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    Some Daily Mail delectation and delight

    Khat - on the surface not a big deal as a drug in a lot of ways but personally i think it has an unhinging effect on people who are partly unhinged to start with. The correlation between khat and unhinged behaviour would be more obvious if the news wasn't so filtered.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2334499/Police-war-extremists-khat-houses-amid-fears-recruiting-grounds-Islamic-extremists.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2355258/Home-Secretary-Theresa-May-overrules-advisers-bans-herbal-stimulant-khat.html

    Home office report into the effects of immigration when (numbers / time) is disregarded.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2355208/Toll-mass-migration-UK-life-Half-Britons-suffer-strain-places-schools-police-NHS-housing.html

    Methinks the consequences of what New Labour did are going to be the driving force in British politics from now on.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,709
    @MrJones If you're going to post not one but _three_ Daily Mail articles you may as well just post the whole song.

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI&desktop_uri=/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,090
    Best way to approach the advise given by the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs.

    (a) Note their advice.
    (b) Do the opposite.

    I'm pleased to see Theresa May understands this.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    edited July 2013
    New Statesman - Len McCluskey: If Ed Miliband is seduced by the Blairites, he'll be defeated

    I was just reading this New Statesman interview with Len McCluskey from April of this year linked to earlier on the thread, and this paragraph jumped out at me?! While Ed Miliband has been allowing both a huge policy and power vacuum grew within the Labour party, it appears that Len McCluskey was not going to let that happen over at UNITE HQ with a GE just two years away. This makes Ed Miliband's current position and posturing look even more precarious. Lets hope that he doesn't have to back down in this fight in much the same public and humiliatingly way that Brown did after he called off that Autumn 2007 GE hype.

    "McCluskey, a man similarly fond of sinking his teeth into his opponents, is in an ebullient mood after winning re-election this month as head of Unite. It is Britain’s biggest trade union and Labour’s largest donor, accounting for 28 per cent of all donations to the party last year.

    When first elected in 2010 at the age of 60, he planned only to serve a single five-year term but was persuaded to stand again after the government scrapped the default retirement age of 65. Having brought forward the date of the contest to avoid a clash with the 2015 general election (“I don’t think that would have been good for the Labour Party or Unite,” he tells me), McCluskey will now remain general secretary until at least 2018.

    “The message is crystal clear to our members, first, that I’m not going to leave the battlefield in these difficult times, I’m going to stand shoulder to shoulder with them,” he says. “It sends a message to the government that I’m going to be here and hound them from here to the general election. It also sends a message out to the Labour leaders that I’m going to be here up to and beyond the next election, so any promises and any issues that we’re seeking from them will be implemented if they get into power.”"

    The article then finishes by highlighting just why Ed Miliband has inevitable turned a weak mandate into weak Leadership.

    "The facade of unity that has held since Miliband’s election is beginning to crack as the right of the party warns that Labour faces defeat unless it commits to cuts after 2015, while the left insists that the reverse is true. After McCluskey’s intervention, the unenviable task facing the Labour leader will now be to chart a course between these two irreconcilables."



  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,729

    Next time it happens, after you've waited about 10 seconds, try hitting "Escape" and see if what you've been waiting for shows up. Sometimes sites will be slow when there's an ad that won't load, and the browser doesn't want to show you the page until it gets it. Hitting "escape" makes it give up and show you whatever it's already got, which may turn out to be the thing you wanted in the first place.

    Many thanks, Edmund.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,729
    ABU QATADA IN THE AIR - GONE!!!!!!!!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,112
    Good riddance
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
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    NEW THREAD
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