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edited July 2016 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » According to Michael Crick Steven Woolfe has failed to get on the UKIP ballot

On seeing Crick’s Tweet I managed to lay as much was was avaiailable on Betfair. If this is indieed the case I’m £666 up on the afternoon.

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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,895
    edited July 2016
    Congrats Mike!

    "His form came in 20 minutes late"

    Er... ;)

    Oh and first... Not like Steven Woolfe. :smiley:
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    I've just loaded onto Ms Duffy at 8/1 on the strength of this report.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,727
    Not very well organised then?
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,205
    Makes me think that Mr Woolfe didn't want the job....
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    DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    edited July 2016
    I've just switched off yet another BBC Radio 4 programme interviewing people related to each other by intercultural marriage.

    All of the people interviewed said how happy they were and how successful the bringing together of the two families was. In similar programmes I've heard people describe how they raised their children to follow two religions or some kind of combination of religions. Well it's good to hear that they are happy, and the very best of luck to them.

    But unfortunately not once have I ever heard interviews with people whose intercultural marriages have failed in large part because one family wouldn't accept their relative's choice of spouse, causing them (it's more often a woman) to be torn between blood family and chosen beloved - and causing hell to ensue, including for the children. Sometimes the pressure takes years or even a decade or two to have its explosive effect.

    Clearly to describe such a very common experience would be to go off-message.

    No BBC producer or programme producer aiming to sell to the mainstream would have the guts to want to go anywhere near here.

    On the rare occasion when there is mention of a relative who was less than approving of the union, they are always described as being in two minds at first, or a little bit iffy early on - never as threatening to kill themselves, as upset or critical or nasty, or as raising serious points. Then they see the light, realise that love conquers all, and everything is then hunky-dory and the two families are now as one.

    What a load of crap.

    Even to intervew half a dozen divorced people and to ask the ones who married interculturally whether that had anything to do with their marriage's failure would be called "racist" or "phobic".
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Michael CrickVerified account ‏@MichaelLCrick 1m1 minute ago
    I have had it confirmed that Steven Woolfe has been told his nomination for Ukip leader was disqualified as it arrived beyond noon deadline
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,970
    If this is true, UKIP have somehow managed to snatch the most ludicrously inept political party in the UK crown away from Labour. That's one hell of an achievement.
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    MetatronMetatron Posts: 193
    What the potential UKIP voter wants is not a lawyer as a leader .People have a bias now that a Lawyer Politician = Low Integrity
    Part of Trump`s appeal to his audience is that he is not a lawyer and he is prepared to take on the politically correct establishment.
    The mainstream media like Woolfe and Suzanne Evans because however talented they are they are also essentially PC people.
    UKIP should target the sizeable anti- political correctness audience as with the Tories now electing the ultra PC Theresa May following the ultra PC Cameron basically UKIP are the only party left now who might question PC to any degree
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,403
    FPT
    Indigo said:

    TOPPING said:

    chestnut said:

    TOPPING said:

    chestnut said:

    Icarus said:

    If we have tariffs with Europe you will all wish we had kept the widget regulations!


    Why? The UK will collect more in tariffs than it has to pay out.

    Combined with the freedom to selectively slash and burn tariffs on goods from elsewhere.
    The Patrick Minford approach. Oh dear.
    What's the logic of imposing a tariff on something that cannot be resourced or produced locally?

    Removing tariffs is also a bargaining tool, which is why people keep blathering on about how important access to the single market is, isn't it?
    Access to the single market is less about tariffs (we will still be able to buy the proverbial BMW) and much more about NTBs ie regulations and the like, which incidentally make up the vast majority of the "EU laws" we were "forced to follow" when we were in the EU.
    Isn't that disingenuous drum getting a little worn out by now ? You know as well as the rest of us that the number of regulations/laws has nothing to do with their impact or saliency with the voters. There may very well have been thousands of NTB related laws, but even a relative handful of European Arrest Warrants and Common Border Policy, or Working Time directives will have far more impact on the running of the country.
    So you are saying the thousands of NTB laws which were critical to our economic well-being and which we will now have to follow yet have no input into, are less important than the cross-EU measures which we are virtually certain to retain?

    Gotit.

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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125

    If this is true, UKIP have somehow managed to snatch the most ludicrously inept political party in the UK crown away from Labour. That's one hell of an achievement.

    Never mind - according to some they're gonna win a landslide if Brexit is the least bit compromised!
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,205

    If this is true, UKIP have somehow managed to snatch the most ludicrously inept political party in the UK crown away from Labour. That's one hell of an achievement.

    I disagree. It sounds like they have rules and are enforcing them (well, this one at least). The ineptness is all Woolfe's.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Does anyone know if anyone else got on the UKIP ballot or is it blank ?
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    DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194

    If this is true, UKIP have somehow managed to snatch the most ludicrously inept political party in the UK crown away from Labour. That's one hell of an achievement.

    How about the party that brought down its own government, having played for years with memes of which it didn't understand the force, and which still doesn't know its arse from a hole in the ground where the question as to what role Britain could or should have in Europe is concerned? And which has put a clown in charge of foreign policy. They're still in government. The opposition whips' offices are still functioning too. I don't mean they can do everything they want. No-one can do everything they want. But they are functioning. The political system is working. Admittedly the atmosphere is increasingly reminiscent of the feeling in the Kaiser's palace as the end of 1918 approached. But how long did people think an economic system based on ever-increasing debt could last?
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    Has there ever been a 'major' political party run by someone who is only a Councillor?
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,403
    Dromedary said:

    If this is true, UKIP have somehow managed to snatch the most ludicrously inept political party in the UK crown away from Labour. That's one hell of an achievement.

    How about the party that brought down its own government, having played for years with memes of which it didn't understand the force, and which still doesn't know its arse from a hole in the ground where the question as to what role Britain could or should have in Europe is concerned? And which has put a clown in charge of foreign policy. They're still in government. The opposition whips' offices are still functioning too. I don't mean they can do everything they want. No-one can do everything they want. But they are functioning. The political system is working. Admittedly the atmosphere is increasingly reminiscent of the feeling in the Kaiser's palace as the end of 1918 approached. But how long did people think an economic system based on ever-increasing debt could last?
    Well yes there is that.

    It's certainly a close run thing between the lot of them.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,005
    F1: in case you missed it on the previous thread, July's 13th piece is now up [post-race analysis of Germany]:
    http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2016/07/germany-post-race-analysis-2016.html
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,895
    Is this all a set-up to get Farage to stay on? ;)
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Speedy said:

    Does anyone know if anyone else got on the UKIP ballot or is it blank ?

    Lisa Duffy, Jonathan Arnott and Bill Etheridge were also standing.

    Not clear if anyone else succeeding in a last minute bid, although it looks impossible from the rules, plenty of support for Diane James on betfair for some reason...
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    DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    Metatron said:

    What the potential UKIP voter wants is not a lawyer as a leader .People have a bias now that a Lawyer Politician = Low Integrity
    Part of Trump`s appeal to his audience is that he is not a lawyer and he is prepared to take on the politically correct establishment.
    The mainstream media like Woolfe and Suzanne Evans because however talented they are they are also essentially PC people.
    UKIP should target the sizeable anti- political correctness audience as with the Tories now electing the ultra PC Theresa May following the ultra PC Cameron basically UKIP are the only party left now who might question PC to any degree

    Cameron said that legislating to let men walk each other up the aisle was the achievement as PM that he was most proud of - one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever heard by an outgoing PM. And very much a sign of our times. Never mind that "food banks", the modern version of soup kitchens, are now everywhere, and almost all supermarkets now run poor boxes, and nobody really knows what Britain's policy towards nearby countries will be in a few year's time, but REJOICE!, "equal" "marriage" is here!

    (This comment was self-censored so as not to be un-PC in choice of lexicon; the original mentioned the colour of hats worn by celebrants at a wedding.)
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Alex Wickham ‏@WikiGuido 6m6 minutes ago
    NEW: Steven Woolfe's spokesman says he is still a candidate. Says he submitted his papers on time.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831

    Speedy said:

    Does anyone know if anyone else got on the UKIP ballot or is it blank ?

    Lisa Duffy, Jonathan Arnott and Bill Etheridge were also standing.

    Not clear if anyone else succeeding in a last minute bid, although it looks impossible from the rules, plenty of support for Diane James on betfair for some reason...
    That is hardly a list of political heavyweights.

    An unknown councillor, a chess geek and a golly-knitter
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388

    Alex Wickham ‏@WikiGuido 6m6 minutes ago
    NEW: Steven Woolfe's spokesman says he is still a candidate. Says he submitted his papers on time.

    WHo on Earth leaves these things until 11.37?!
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,205

    Alex Wickham ‏@WikiGuido 6m6 minutes ago
    NEW: Steven Woolfe's spokesman says he is still a candidate. Says he submitted his papers on time.

    Schrödinger's Woolfe?
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    tlg86 said:

    Alex Wickham ‏@WikiGuido 6m6 minutes ago
    NEW: Steven Woolfe's spokesman says he is still a candidate. Says he submitted his papers on time.

    Schrödinger's Woolfe?
    If you find the tweet, apparently he sent it in before 12, but technical problems meant it wasn't received until after...!
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited July 2016
    GIN1138 said:

    Is this all a set-up to get Farage to stay on? ;)

    I don't know, but if Farage had resigned a few days later, Carswell and Evans might have been eligible to stand.

    The suspension of Evans would have ran out, and Carswell would have locked 2 years as a UKIP member.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,205

    tlg86 said:

    Alex Wickham ‏@WikiGuido 6m6 minutes ago
    NEW: Steven Woolfe's spokesman says he is still a candidate. Says he submitted his papers on time.

    Schrödinger's Woolfe?
    If you find the tweet, apparently he sent it in before 12, but technical problems meant it wasn't received until after...!
    What was he using, carrier pigeon?
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    Do we have the scent of another leadership challenge court case in the air? At least Woolfe can save money by representing himself....
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    Woolfe has just shortened dramatically on Betfair to 1.32, so perhaps the Crick story will prove to be somewhat inaccurate. Meanwhile some bookies have taken their markets down.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    My current position:

    Steven Woolfe 2.4700
    Lisa Duffy 200.8000
    Jonathan Arnott 97.3000
    Bill Etheridge -45.7000
    Diane James -25.7500
    The Field -95.7000
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,314
    Surely they aren't going to choose Duffy as leader.

    When speaking she does not come across as remotely credible as the leader of a major political party.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited July 2016
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Alex Wickham ‏@WikiGuido 6m6 minutes ago
    NEW: Steven Woolfe's spokesman says he is still a candidate. Says he submitted his papers on time.

    Schrödinger's Woolfe?
    If you find the tweet, apparently he sent it in before 12, but technical problems meant it wasn't received until after...!
    What was he using, carrier pigeon?
    Perhaps the committee decided to wait until after 12 to touch his papers.

    It's a well known trick in some places.
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    Dromedary said:

    Metatron said:

    What the potential UKIP voter wants is not a lawyer as a leader .People have a bias now that a Lawyer Politician = Low Integrity
    Part of Trump`s appeal to his audience is that he is not a lawyer and he is prepared to take on the politically correct establishment.
    The mainstream media like Woolfe and Suzanne Evans because however talented they are they are also essentially PC people.
    UKIP should target the sizeable anti- political correctness audience as with the Tories now electing the ultra PC Theresa May following the ultra PC Cameron basically UKIP are the only party left now who might question PC to any degree

    Cameron said that legislating to let men walk each other up the aisle was the achievement as PM that he was most proud of - one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever heard by an outgoing PM. And very much a sign of our times. Never mind that "food banks", the modern version of soup kitchens, are now everywhere, and almost all supermarkets now run poor boxes, and nobody really knows what Britain's policy towards nearby countries will be in a few year's time, but REJOICE!, "equal" "marriage" is here!

    (This comment was self-censored so as not to be un-PC in choice of lexicon; the original mentioned the colour of hats worn by celebrants at a wedding.)
    It sounds like you've got the hump over this!
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831

    Dromedary said:

    Metatron said:

    What the potential UKIP voter wants is not a lawyer as a leader .People have a bias now that a Lawyer Politician = Low Integrity
    Part of Trump`s appeal to his audience is that he is not a lawyer and he is prepared to take on the politically correct establishment.
    The mainstream media like Woolfe and Suzanne Evans because however talented they are they are also essentially PC people.
    UKIP should target the sizeable anti- political correctness audience as with the Tories now electing the ultra PC Theresa May following the ultra PC Cameron basically UKIP are the only party left now who might question PC to any degree

    Cameron said that legislating to let men walk each other up the aisle was the achievement as PM that he was most proud of - one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever heard by an outgoing PM. And very much a sign of our times. Never mind that "food banks", the modern version of soup kitchens, are now everywhere, and almost all supermarkets now run poor boxes, and nobody really knows what Britain's policy towards nearby countries will be in a few year's time, but REJOICE!, "equal" "marriage" is here!

    (This comment was self-censored so as not to be un-PC in choice of lexicon; the original mentioned the colour of hats worn by celebrants at a wedding.)
    It sounds like you've got the hump over this!
    Doesn't sound like the hump, it sounds like pretty basic homophobia to me.
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    "If this is indeed the case I’m £666 up on the afternoon."

    Chicken counting I fancy. Put that next French/Spanish holiday on hold Mike, at least for now!
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388

    "If this is indeed the case I’m £666 up on the afternoon."

    Chicken counting I fancy. Put that next French/Spanish holiday on hold Mike, at least for now!

    I was briefly able to reback at 9/1, in hindsight should have fully covered.

    Didn't lay as much as Mike though...
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    BudGBudG Posts: 711

    "If this is indeed the case I’m £666 up on the afternoon."

    Chicken counting I fancy. Put that next French/Spanish holiday on hold Mike, at least for now!

    The number 666 should have raised alarm bells. ;)
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    tlg86 said:

    Alex Wickham ‏@WikiGuido 6m6 minutes ago
    NEW: Steven Woolfe's spokesman says he is still a candidate. Says he submitted his papers on time.

    Schrödinger's Woolfe?
    If you find the tweet, apparently he sent it in before 12, but technical problems meant it wasn't received until after...!
    The "technical" problem is a fair chunk of the committee don't want anyone connected with Farage or Aaron to stand for leadership, the same people who were floating the nonsense about him not being a member a couple of days ago.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,005
    Mr. Dromedary, worth noting that food banks have risen ever since they first came to the UK.

    They increase in number during the Blair boom, the Brown recession, the Coalition years and now.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,138
    Clearly a farcical decision over Woolfe but it will make little difference who the next UKIP leader is, UKIP's fortunes over the next few years will be determined by what happens over freedom of movement in the BREXIT negotiations
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,138
    felix said:

    If this is true, UKIP have somehow managed to snatch the most ludicrously inept political party in the UK crown away from Labour. That's one hell of an achievement.

    Never mind - according to some they're gonna win a landslide if Brexit is the least bit compromised!
    They could win up to 26% that is not a landside
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    BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    If terminal decline equals winning the referendum I'm sure they'll take that! People have written them off many times before and look like mugs. I do believe they need Woolfe as leader though to tread water/progress and while still likely he no longer seems a guaranteed cert.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,138
    edited July 2016

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    Even now UKIP are polling about 12%, exactly their total at the 2015 general election, hardly a party in terminal decline
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    tlg86 said:

    Makes me think that Mr Woolfe didn't want the job....

    Makes me think Nigel does not want to relinquish control, he will put a puppet leader in place, northern Labour MP's have a smile on their faces today ukip is not the party to challenge them.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    Mr. Dromedary, worth noting that food banks have risen ever since they first came to the UK.

    They increase in number during the Blair boom, the Brown recession, the Coalition years and now.

    Free food, what's not to like.
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    The other candidates are incredibly shit. UKIP will haemorrhage members if Woolfe does not win the leadership contest.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,205
    Indigo said:

    tlg86 said:

    Alex Wickham ‏@WikiGuido 6m6 minutes ago
    NEW: Steven Woolfe's spokesman says he is still a candidate. Says he submitted his papers on time.

    Schrödinger's Woolfe?
    If you find the tweet, apparently he sent it in before 12, but technical problems meant it wasn't received until after...!
    The "technical" problem is a fair chunk of the committee don't want anyone connected with Farage or Aaron to stand for leadership, the same people who were floating the nonsense about him not being a member a couple of days ago.
    nunu said:

    tlg86 said:

    Makes me think that Mr Woolfe didn't want the job....

    Makes me think Nigel does not want to relinquish control, he will put a puppet leader in place, northern Labour MP's have a smile on their faces today ukip is not the party to challenge them.
    Only on Political Betting!
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    nunu said:

    tlg86 said:

    Makes me think that Mr Woolfe didn't want the job....

    Makes me think Nigel does not want to relinquish control, he will put a puppet leader in place, northern Labour MP's have a smile on their faces today ukip is not the party to challenge them.
    There are very few smiling Labour MPs anywhere these days. Never has there been a party so torn apart by strife.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    HYUFD said:

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    Even now UKIP are polling about 12%, exactly their total at the 2015 general election, hardly a party in terminal decline
    Dream On . In 32 real elections last month they managed 6% even below the Greens
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    nunu said:

    tlg86 said:

    Makes me think that Mr Woolfe didn't want the job....

    Makes me think Nigel does not want to relinquish control, he will put a puppet leader in place, northern Labour MP's have a smile on their faces today ukip is not the party to challenge them.
    There are very few smiling Labour MPs anywhere these days. Never has there been a party so torn apart by strife.
    That's a little hyperbolic.

    How about the Peelite split from the Conservatives? Or the Liberal Unionist split from the Liberals?
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,403
    Brom said:

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    If terminal decline equals winning the referendum I'm sure they'll take that! People have written them off many times before and look like mugs. I do believe they need Woolfe as leader though to tread water/progress and while still likely he no longer seems a guaranteed cert.

    No one has written them off as a pressure group. They have been magnificently successful in that regard.

    As a political party, however, they are of course a joke.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    My current position:

    Steven Woolfe 2.4700
    Lisa Duffy 200.8000
    Jonathan Arnott 97.3000
    Bill Etheridge -45.7000
    Diane James -25.7500
    The Field -95.7000

    Do we know who has got through the kipper sieve to the members ballot?

    Is it AV or a less perfect voting system?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @tamcohen: Ukip source close to nominations tells Sky "the party won't break the rules for anyone so Steven Woolfe is not a candidate"
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Scott_P said:

    @tamcohen: Ukip source close to nominations tells Sky "the party won't break the rules for anyone so Steven Woolfe is not a candidate"


    At what point does Farage un-resign?

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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    Where are the LDs under Tim Fallon are surging ahead. Go back to your quinoa and prepare for government ?
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,727
    Indigo said:

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    Where are the LDs under Tim Fallon are surging ahead. Go back to your quinoa and prepare for government ?
    Who's Tim Fallon?
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    HYUFD said:

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    Even now UKIP are polling about 12%, exactly their total at the 2015 general election, hardly a party in terminal decline
    Dream On . In 32 real elections last month they managed 6% even below the Greens
    Your obsession with Parish Council elections and both touching and pointless.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,727
    Carswell's view on UKIP Leadership contest:
    "I'm totally neutral in Ukip leadership contest – and indeed rows. Disinterested and possibly uninterested."
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip-membership-nigel-farage-steven-woolfe-leadership-farce-membership-a7162156.html
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,999

    Scott_P said:

    @tamcohen: Ukip source close to nominations tells Sky "the party won't break the rules for anyone so Steven Woolfe is not a candidate"


    At what point does Farage un-resign?

    That might be for the best - the others pull out, he sticks around long enough to sort this mess out.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,060
    Charles said:

    nunu said:

    tlg86 said:

    Makes me think that Mr Woolfe didn't want the job....

    Makes me think Nigel does not want to relinquish control, he will put a puppet leader in place, northern Labour MP's have a smile on their faces today ukip is not the party to challenge them.
    There are very few smiling Labour MPs anywhere these days. Never has there been a party so torn apart by strife.
    That's a little hyperbolic.

    How about the Peelite split from the Conservatives? Or the Liberal Unionist split from the Liberals?
    Bah! Those were mere scratches compared to the self harm inflicted by the modern Labour Party.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,727
    Indigo said:

    HYUFD said:

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    Even now UKIP are polling about 12%, exactly their total at the 2015 general election, hardly a party in terminal decline
    Dream On . In 32 real elections last month they managed 6% even below the Greens
    Your obsession with Parish Council elections and both touching and pointless.
    Wrong again - Parish elections are unimportant and not discussed on here.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Indigo said:

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    Where are the LDs under Tim Fallon are surging ahead. Go back to your quinoa and prepare for government ?
    Who's Tim Fallon?
    or was it Michael Farron ? :D
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,727
    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    Where are the LDs under Tim Fallon are surging ahead. Go back to your quinoa and prepare for government ?
    Who's Tim Fallon?
    or was it Michael Farron ? :D
    I really wish people would get their FACTS straight. Can't take any notice of their views otherwise ;-)
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    tlg86 said:

    Indigo said:

    tlg86 said:

    Alex Wickham ‏@WikiGuido 6m6 minutes ago
    NEW: Steven Woolfe's spokesman says he is still a candidate. Says he submitted his papers on time.

    Schrödinger's Woolfe?
    If you find the tweet, apparently he sent it in before 12, but technical problems meant it wasn't received until after...!
    The "technical" problem is a fair chunk of the committee don't want anyone connected with Farage or Aaron to stand for leadership, the same people who were floating the nonsense about him not being a member a couple of days ago.
    nunu said:

    tlg86 said:

    Makes me think that Mr Woolfe didn't want the job....

    Makes me think Nigel does not want to relinquish control, he will put a puppet leader in place, northern Labour MP's have a smile on their faces today ukip is not the party to challenge them.
    Only on Political Betting!
    http://order-order.com/2016/07/28/anti-farage-plot-to-keep-woolfe-off-ballot/
    Anti-Faragist forces on UKIP’s National Executive Committee are working to keep Steven Woolfe off the ballot, according to sources in the room. The NEC is dominated by supporters of Neil Hamilton and Douglas Carswell who want to stop the Farage candidate and install Lisa Duffy as leader.

    Woolfe is Farage's prefered candidate.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Indigo said:

    HYUFD said:

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    Even now UKIP are polling about 12%, exactly their total at the 2015 general election, hardly a party in terminal decline
    Dream On . In 32 real elections last month they managed 6% even below the Greens
    Your obsession with Parish Council elections and both touching and pointless.
    I have not mentioned a single parish council by election on here , elections in London , Newport , Bradford and other major towns and cities , yes .
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    Where are the LDs under Tim Fallon are surging ahead. Go back to your quinoa and prepare for government ?
    Who's Tim Fallon?
    or was it Michael Farron ? :D
    I really wish people would get their FACTS straight. Can't take any notice of their views otherwise ;-)
    Lol, plenty of people around here are having "difficulty" remembering the name of the leader of the LDs, it must be the high media profile he is cutting at the moment :D
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Indigo said:

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    Where are the LDs under Tim Fallon are surging ahead. Go back to your quinoa and prepare for government ?
    Who's Tim Fallon?
    Wasn't he defence secretary once?
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited July 2016
    Indigo said:

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    Where are the LDs under Tim Fallon are surging ahead. Go back to your quinoa and prepare for government ?
    They are surging ahead in parish by elections with their new cadre of candidates led by Sid and Doris Bonkers from Neasden.
    http://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780199916214.001.0001/acref-9780199916214-e-0268
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    nunu said:

    tlg86 said:

    Makes me think that Mr Woolfe didn't want the job....

    Makes me think Nigel does not want to relinquish control, he will put a puppet leader in place, northern Labour MP's have a smile on their faces today ukip is not the party to challenge them.
    There are very few smiling Labour MPs anywhere these days. Never has there been a party so torn apart by strife.
    That's a little hyperbolic.

    How about the Peelite split from the Conservatives? Or the Liberal Unionist split from the Liberals?
    Bah! Those were mere scratches compared to the self harm inflicted by the modern Labour Party.
    They both lasted 30+ years!

    Corbyn really is Monty Python's Black Knight (that was an inspired PMQ joke)
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,419
    Dromedary said:

    If this is true, UKIP have somehow managed to snatch the most ludicrously inept political party in the UK crown away from Labour. That's one hell of an achievement.

    How about the party that brought down its own government, having played for years with memes of which it didn't understand the force, and which still doesn't know its arse from a hole in the ground where the question as to what role Britain could or should have in Europe is concerned? And which has put a clown in charge of foreign policy. They're still in government. The opposition whips' offices are still functioning too. I don't mean they can do everything they want. No-one can do everything they want. But they are functioning. The political system is working. Admittedly the atmosphere is increasingly reminiscent of the feeling in the Kaiser's palace as the end of 1918 approached. But how long did people think an economic system based on ever-increasing debt could last?
    There is still scope for a sweepstake on that last question.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,727

    Scott_P said:

    @tamcohen: Ukip source close to nominations tells Sky "the party won't break the rules for anyone so Steven Woolfe is not a candidate"


    At what point does Farage un-resign?

    No, please let him keep having his life back.
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    Indigo said:

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    Where are the LDs under Tim Fallon are surging ahead. Go back to your quinoa and prepare for government ?
    Who's Tim Fallon?
    Who's the Lib Dems?
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388

    My current position:

    Steven Woolfe 2.4700
    Lisa Duffy 200.8000
    Jonathan Arnott 97.3000
    Bill Etheridge -45.7000
    Diane James -25.7500
    The Field -95.7000

    Do we know who has got through the kipper sieve to the members ballot?

    Is it AV or a less perfect voting system?
    Not confirmed.

    However Duffy Arnott and Etheridge have definitely attempted, and lots of rumours re: James, who is now favorite/second favourite.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,403
    edited July 2016

    Indigo said:

    HYUFD said:

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    Even now UKIP are polling about 12%, exactly their total at the 2015 general election, hardly a party in terminal decline
    Dream On . In 32 real elections last month they managed 6% even below the Greens
    Your obsession with Parish Council elections and both touching and pointless.
    I have not mentioned a single parish council by election on here , elections in London , Newport , Bradford and other major towns and cities , yes .
    @Indigo can't quite remember how it all works, or the various national and regional structures, in the UK.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,727

    Indigo said:

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    Where are the LDs under Tim Fallon are surging ahead. Go back to your quinoa and prepare for government ?
    They are surging ahead in parish by elections with their new cadre of candidates led by Sid and Doris Bonkers from Neasden.
    http://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780199916214.001.0001/acref-9780199916214-e-0268
    Please provide a link to the last Parish election result on PB.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,060

    Indigo said:

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    Where are the LDs under Tim Fallon are surging ahead. Go back to your quinoa and prepare for government ?
    Who's Tim Fallon?
    Who's the Lib Dems?
    I believe they're a shoe shop; they're only on a few high streets, so no reason why you should know them.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    Indigo said:

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    Where are the LDs under Tim Fallon are surging ahead. Go back to your quinoa and prepare for government ?
    They are surging ahead in parish by elections with their new cadre of candidates led by Sid and Doris Bonkers from Neasden.
    http://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780199916214.001.0001/acref-9780199916214-e-0268
    Neasden does not have a parish council .
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    rcs1000 said:

    Indigo said:

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    Where are the LDs under Tim Fallon are surging ahead. Go back to your quinoa and prepare for government ?
    Who's Tim Fallon?
    Who's the Lib Dems?
    I believe they're a shoe shop; they're only on a few high streets, so no reason why you should know them.
    Whilst only sandals are available, they also do socks.
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    LadyBucketLadyBucket Posts: 590
    I see Tom Watson has got "his team" looking into Liam Fox's charity. He thinks the story will "run." Of course it will, if he has got anything to do with it. Who does this bloody man think he is?

    Theresa May should get on top of this asap. It was a big risk bringing back Liam Fox and David Davies, two of the biggest egos in politics.

    I believe Will Straw is only 32 years old, what an insult giving him a gong.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,904

    Indigo said:

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    Where are the LDs under Tim Fallon are surging ahead. Go back to your quinoa and prepare for government ?
    They are surging ahead in parish by elections with their new cadre of candidates led by Sid and Doris Bonkers from Neasden.
    http://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780199916214.001.0001/acref-9780199916214-e-0268
    Neasden does not have a parish council .
    More bad news for the Lib Dems
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited July 2016

    I see Tom Watson has got "his team" looking into Liam Fox's charity. He thinks the story will "run." Of course it will, if he has got anything to do with it. Who does this bloody man think he is?

    Theresa May should get on top of this asap. It was a big risk bringing back Liam Fox and David Davies, two of the biggest egos in politics.

    I believe Will Straw is only 32 years old, what an insult giving him a gong.

    Watson has obviously run out of people to point his podgy digits at & falsely call a paedo. People in glass houses and all that.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,138

    HYUFD said:

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    Even now UKIP are polling about 12%, exactly their total at the 2015 general election, hardly a party in terminal decline
    Dream On . In 32 real elections last month they managed 6% even below the Greens
    Council by-elections are utterly irrelevant and you also need to look at what they polled previously. If council by-elections were predictors of political fortunes then William Hague and Ed Miliband would have won landslides.

    In actual opinion polling this month UKIP have polled 13% with ICM, 12% with Survation, 13% with Yougov and 15% with Opinium, ie virtually unchanged from the 12% they won in 2015 and with Opinium actually slightly up.
    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    Indigo said:

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    Where are the LDs under Tim Fallon are surging ahead. Go back to your quinoa and prepare for government ?
    Who's Tim Fallon?
    Who's the Lib Dems?
    An irrelevance. A pathetic sight seeing them jumping on anything in an attempt to stay relevant.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    My current position:

    Steven Woolfe 2.4700
    Lisa Duffy 200.8000
    Jonathan Arnott 97.3000
    Bill Etheridge -45.7000
    Diane James -25.7500
    The Field -95.7000

    Do we know who has got through the kipper sieve to the members ballot?

    Is it AV or a less perfect voting system?
    Not confirmed.

    However Duffy Arnott and Etheridge have definitely attempted, and lots of rumours re: James, who is now favorite/second favourite.
    Thanks. I see Betfair still have Woolfe mispelled.

    I recall that the kippers have a long and inglorious history of farcical leadership contests. Their devotion to keeping up the tradition is admirable.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,727
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    Even now UKIP are polling about 12%, exactly their total at the 2015 general election, hardly a party in terminal decline
    Dream On . In 32 real elections last month they managed 6% even below the Greens
    Council by-elections are utterly irrelevant and you also need to look at what they polled previously. If council by-elections were predictors of political fortunes then William Hague and Ed Miliband would have won landslides.

    In actual opinion polling this month UKIP have polled 13% with ICM, 12% with Survation, 13% with Yougov and 15% with Opinium, ie virtually unchanged from the 12% they won in 2015 and with Opinium actually slightly up.
    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/
    In "actual opinion polling" Remain won!
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited July 2016

    I see Tom Watson has got "his team" looking into Liam Fox's charity. He thinks the story will "run." Of course it will, if he has got anything to do with it. Who does this bloody man think he is?

    Theresa May should get on top of this asap. It was a big risk bringing back Liam Fox and David Davies, two of the biggest egos in politics.

    I believe Will Straw is only 32 years old, what an insult giving him a gong.

    What is his charity?

    Is it like the Foxinsoxuk beer fund, a worthy and needy cause if ever there was?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,138
    edited July 2016
    PPP national

    Clinton 50% Trump 45%

    Clinton 46% Trump 41% Johnson 6% Stein 2%

    Obama would beat Trump 53% to 44% if he could run for a third term

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_7302016.pdf

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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited July 2016
    I presume this fox charity thing is the old story of the neocon north Atlantic whatever it was called group. If so Watson clearly just been reading the Guido archives.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    Even now UKIP are polling about 12%, exactly their total at the 2015 general election, hardly a party in terminal decline
    Dream On . In 32 real elections last month they managed 6% even below the Greens
    Council by-elections are utterly irrelevant and you also need to look at what they polled previously. If council by-elections were predictors of political fortunes then William Hague and Ed Miliband would have won landslides.

    In actual opinion polling this month UKIP have polled 13% with ICM, 12% with Survation, 13% with Yougov and 15% with Opinium, ie virtually unchanged from the 12% they won in 2015 and with Opinium actually slightly up.
    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/
    And Ipsos Mori which you conveniently ignored or forgot UKIP were 8%
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,060
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    Even now UKIP are polling about 12%, exactly their total at the 2015 general election, hardly a party in terminal decline
    Dream On . In 32 real elections last month they managed 6% even below the Greens
    Council by-elections are utterly irrelevant and you also need to look at what they polled previously. If council by-elections were predictors of political fortunes then William Hague and Ed Miliband would have won landslides.

    In actual opinion polling this month UKIP have polled 13% with ICM, 12% with Survation, 13% with Yougov and 15% with Opinium, ie virtually unchanged from the 12% they won in 2015 and with Opinium actually slightly up.
    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/
    Actually, I don't think that's quite true.

    The LibDems, more than any other party, is made up of foot soldiers. The unpaid volunteers who man committee rooms, knock up potential voters, and deliver endless Focus leaflets. Where there are councillors, there are volunteers and an activist base.

    If the LibDems are to recover - and there is nothing that says they will or they must - it will be on the back of a recovery in local government. Detoxification means first voting for a LibDem councillor, and later for a LibDem parliamentary candidate.

    Success in council by-elections tells you the LibDem ground machine is beginning to move again. It tells you that volunteers are working again. It tells you people are signing up to the party, and thanklessly delivering leaflets.

    This is not to say the LDs are on the very of anything; but LD council by-election successes areis a necessary condition of recovery, if not a sufficient one.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    I think this stitch up is designed to allow bigger beasts to run in a year's time.

    The plan is probably to have Liza Duffy or whoever as leader, and have her resign in a year when Evans, Carswell or even Farage might run.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    tlg86 said:

    Alex Wickham ‏@WikiGuido 6m6 minutes ago
    NEW: Steven Woolfe's spokesman says he is still a candidate. Says he submitted his papers on time.

    Schrödinger's Woolfe?
    Maybe hell take his own party to court.....
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,060

    I see Tom Watson has got "his team" looking into Liam Fox's charity. He thinks the story will "run." Of course it will, if he has got anything to do with it. Who does this bloody man think he is?

    Theresa May should get on top of this asap. It was a big risk bringing back Liam Fox and David Davies, two of the biggest egos in politics.

    I believe Will Straw is only 32 years old, what an insult giving him a gong.

    Watson has obviously run out of people to point his podgy digits at & falsely call a paedo. People in glass houses and all that.
    I don't know if anyone's noticed this, but: Tom Watson went to Glastonbury; Rolf Harris also once performed at Glastonbury.

    It seems pretty unlikely to just be 'coincidence'.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,138
    edited July 2016

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    Even now UKIP are polling about 12%, exactly their total at the 2015 general election, hardly a party in terminal decline
    Dream On . In 32 real elections last month they managed 6% even below the Greens
    Council by-elections are utterly irrelevant and you also need to look at what they polled previously. If council by-elections were predictors of political fortunes then William Hague and Ed Miliband would have won landslides.

    In actual opinion polling this month UKIP have polled 13% with ICM, 12% with Survation, 13% with Yougov and 15% with Opinium, ie virtually unchanged from the 12% they won in 2015 and with Opinium actually slightly up.
    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/
    In "actual opinion polling" Remain won!
    Not with Opinium and not with ICM who both had Leave ahead in their final polls and UKIP's best rating is with Opinium
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-final-opinium-poll-shows-leave-ahead-by-one-point-a7095811.html
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,138

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    Even now UKIP are polling about 12%, exactly their total at the 2015 general election, hardly a party in terminal decline
    Dream On . In 32 real elections last month they managed 6% even below the Greens
    Council by-elections are utterly irrelevant and you also need to look at what they polled previously. If council by-elections were predictors of political fortunes then William Hague and Ed Miliband would have won landslides.

    In actual opinion polling this month UKIP have polled 13% with ICM, 12% with Survation, 13% with Yougov and 15% with Opinium, ie virtually unchanged from the 12% they won in 2015 and with Opinium actually slightly up.
    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/
    And Ipsos Mori which you conveniently ignored or forgot UKIP were 8%
    Mori's final EU referendum poll had Remain ahead 52% to 48%
    https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3753/Final-EU-referendum-poll-update.aspx
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,138
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    Even now UKIP are polling about 12%, exactly their total at the 2015 general election, hardly a party in terminal decline
    Dream On . In 32 real elections last month they managed 6% even below the Greens
    Council by-elections are utterly irrelevant and you also need to look at what they polled previously. If council by-elections were predictors of political fortunes then William Hague and Ed Miliband would have won landslides.

    In actual opinion polling this month UKIP have polled 13% with ICM, 12% with Survation, 13% with Yougov and 15% with Opinium, ie virtually unchanged from the 12% they won in 2015 and with Opinium actually slightly up.
    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/
    Actually, I don't think that's quite true.

    The LibDems, more than any other party, is made up of foot soldiers. The unpaid volunteers who man committee rooms, knock up potential voters, and deliver endless Focus leaflets. Where there are councillors, there are volunteers and an activist base.

    If the LibDems are to recover - and there is nothing that says they will or they must - it will be on the back of a recovery in local government. Detoxification means first voting for a LibDem councillor, and later for a LibDem parliamentary candidate.

    Success in council by-elections tells you the LibDem ground machine is beginning to move again. It tells you that volunteers are working again. It tells you people are signing up to the party, and thanklessly delivering leaflets.

    This is not to say the LDs are on the very of anything; but LD council by-election successes areis a necessary condition of recovery, if not a sufficient one.
    They are a help in providing a base but we are not even talking about local elections as a whole just local government by-elections
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,138
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,931
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Despite HYUFD's constant daily attempts to talk up UKIP;s non existent chances of progressing and ignoring all the evidence of terminal decline , UKIP and their putative leaders themselves show how unfit for office they are .

    Even now UKIP are polling about 12%, exactly their total at the 2015 general election, hardly a party in terminal decline
    Dream On . In 32 real elections last month they managed 6% even below the Greens
    Council by-elections are utterly irrelevant and you also need to look at what they polled previously. If council by-elections were predictors of political fortunes then William Hague and Ed Miliband would have won landslides.

    In actual opinion polling this month UKIP have polled 13% with ICM, 12% with Survation, 13% with Yougov and 15% with Opinium, ie virtually unchanged from the 12% they won in 2015 and with Opinium actually slightly up.
    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/
    And Ipsos Mori which you conveniently ignored or forgot UKIP were 8%
    Mori's final EU referendum poll had Remain ahead 52% to 48%
    https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3753/Final-EU-referendum-poll-update.aspx
    It doesn't matter if UKIP are in decline, now.

    UKIP won.
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