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"We heard gunfire, moments later 100s of people started to run from Promenade" – eyewitness https://t.co/e63qWMQ4b6 https://t.co/mnKTtpCR4t
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Schengen should be dead. The EU needs not just national but regional borders and road blocks. Mandatory passports. Routine searches.
Much like the rest of the world in other words.
WAKE UP EUROPE before more innocent people die
https://twitter.com/hermannkelly/status/753727336827199489
Anybody who does as he has done will also certainly be an Enemy of Islam. No waiting for the Last Day. No judgement by Allah. Just immediate Jahannam.
Time for the religious, spiritual and political leadership of Islam to take a stand. They have a responsibility. Now.
Are you American? My guess is you are lol
This is nothing to do with Schengen or the EU or recent immigration. It's to do with a number of things coming together: global issues like the American led destabilisation of the Middle East, the uprisings throughout the Arab world, the struggle within Islam itself between those who want Islam to go back to the times of the Prophet, basically purify the religion and unify Muslims against everybody else and also social problems in Western Europe arising from 2nd generation Muslims.
France is the number one target in Europe because of three reasons:
1. Under Hollande, France is more active in waging war on Islamists around the world.
2. The ban on the burka/niqab has enraged and radicalised a large section of the Muslim population and France's aggressive enforcement of secularism is not working just causing more resentment, trouble, discrimination etc.
3. The most powerful group of non middle Eastern jihadis within ISIS are French.
Not my opinions but those of a French security expert speaking earlier on Sky news.
Yet again, French people killing French people.
The solution to this can only come from inside the Moslem community.
It's atrocious. I was thinking how lucky we were not to get some terrorist attack during the recent football tournament - then this.
I hope we can find a way to stop these attacks from happening.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/15/labour-death-spite-bullying-working-class-base?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
Sorry, but delusional and violent cults need to be suppressed in the way Nazism was. Destroy the means to act violently then compulsory re-education as was done with de-nazification in west Germany after world war two with any expression of symbols of the cult punishable by long prison sentences (as happens to this day in Germany if you go around hitler saluting.
It may yet come to internment camps on the Isle of Man as was done in WW2
Has anyone heard from Roger? I can't remember whereabouts in the SofF he lives - it's not the Riviera itself is it? Hoping we hear from him ASAP!
The clearly don't share the values of liberte egalite fraternite. They dispose French civilisation.
People like this should be expelled in their millions from the west
Maybe that root cause needs considering too and the Road Lobby which over the last seventy years by pressure and corruption persuaded the government to allow bigger and bigger lorries and virtually destroy the rail freight industry in the 60s and 70s held to account?
Don't get me wrong, I believe the vast majority of Muslims find this as abhorrent as I do, I just wish they were more vocal to remove any doubt.
To equate the actions of this cultist with the whole of Islam is to equate the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church (or worse) with Christianity. Both are enabled by their respective religions, but they do not represent the whole. Or, more aptly for this site, to say that some recent racist attacks have been caused by Leave voters, therefore all Brexiteers are racists.
This is still a small cult. We have some time. No need for internment camps, no need for any kneejerk measures - let's enable our security services to cut off its head by targetting the recruiters and indoctrinators, and then let's help the moderate Muslim community ensure that it does not grow again.
Shocking.
This latest scumbag had been a common criminal, it turns out. I think the same is true of most (if not all) of the other Moslem attackers there have been in France. The link between crime, prison and radicalisation looks like an obvious place for the various law enforcement and security agencies to start, though they probably are already. But ultimately, the Moslem community has to police itself. If you do not actively tackle, report and condemn advocates of violence and murder you are complicit with them.
Sadly this time, Bunnco Your Man on the Spot
I'm a naturally cautious person, prone to inaction rather than action, for good and Ill.but sometimes underreacting or not reacting is more unhelpful than overreacting, which at least sparks debate.
A much bigger blame should be put on governments not lifting the railway's common carrier status until the early 1960s, forcing the railways to take on unprofitable loads when they should have been concentrating on bulk loads (as they did from the 1970s onwards).
If they replace Corbyn then this will never be acceptable to a wide range of CLP's and their members despite what the PLP wishes to happen and a ground war ensures. Alternatively Corbyn remains and strengthens his grip and position within the party and there is a split. There is serious acrimony , threats and bricks through windows irrespective of either direction taken.
The real problem is that if Corbyn stays they are unelecttable. if Corbyn is removed then any other party just needs to keep pointing out that this party is always going to be a fag paper away from a similar takeover. Next time they could be in government and just like they are doing now at party level, change the rules ito ensure they can never be removed.
Labour are doomed either way. Ma Beckett and pals must have their head in their hands at these outcomes.
Of course no one can police thought, or religion, or intent. But there are obvious places to start, and courses of action to take.
Small cult, my arse.
The problem is that do nothing and these monsters still emerge, do something and they emerge. You crush them but lie a virus a few keep going and they find some new pretext and the idiots join them again. People still blame western actions post ww1 for this shit, which is bloody ridiculous. Such things and more recent actions fuel grievance, but these fools will always find something, and anyone who thinks it justifies their behaviour would have found something else to fuel their grievance.
The problem is not that there is no answer to the problem, it's that the answer is not wanted by the West.
However, the problem with militant Islam is that there's no clean break on the scale down to individual secular practice. In the German case, had every Nazi been prosecuted, millions would have ended up behind bars or dead and there'd have been a lasting division and resentment (including towards those seen as having 'escaped'), but there was no need for that. It's all very well saying that we must shut down "delusional and violent cults" but what does that mean in practice? What counts as a "delusional and violent cult"?
To attack the freedom to practice religion within the law is as much an attack on our values as what took place in Nice. However, it's also the case that if there is sufficient sympathy or tolerance within a population for those who would subvert it then that population as a whole cannot stand. The toleration of intolerance is a mark of a civilised society and so it normally should be - it is usually better to have intolerant voices in the public domain both because it's easier to keep tabs on them and because they provide the warning of safety valves. But there also comes a point where the sheer scale of intolerance is incompatible with a civilised society. There is no easy place to draw the line but then simple solutions are for simple people - and simple people shouldn't be let near the levers of power.
That doesn't quite tell if he was on a watchlist.
Given that police identified him quickly, there is no clear statement on the latter yet as far we can tell.
No claim through IS official channels yet either.
' simple people shouldn't be let near the levers of power.'
So how did David Lammy become a minister?
Border controls is protecting liberty within the country, by keeping out aliens who want to commit violence to "crush liberty".
Countries with strict border controls like Australia provide as much liberty for their own citizens as European countries.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/15/betting-firms-spent-half-a-billion-pounds-on-tv-adverts-since-2012?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
Saw the beginnings of coverage last night, though at the time the death toll was only 30 (I think it's up to 84 confirmed now).
Terrible for France. They're still in the state of emergency imposed after the Bataclan[sp] attacks.
Mr. Observer, I think there might be a wider psychological reason (now) for attacking France. It's been hit with three attacks [grouping together the Hebdo and Bataclan incidents which had other terrorist attacks around or at the same time]. It's only a guess, but I do suspect the terrorists may be deliberately repeatedly targeting France to try and get a deeper impact on the people and politics.
But you've also twisted the point. The original proposal from the laughably-named 'JennyFreeman' was "regional borders and road blocks. Mandatory passports. Routine searches." in addition to the international borders. Tell me that such police-state policies wouldn't be crushing of liberty (and the economy, for that matter).
It is the consolidated and stable Saudi Arabia which funds ISIS (and other terror groups) and I think it is unlikely that the NSA do not know exactly who it is in the Saudi regime who are the main players.
The anticlerical left, unlike in this country, also appears to have increasingly switched its attention to Islam from Catholicism in the last 25 years, meaning that there is already great tension that can be exploited.
ISIS in possession of Mecca would not be a positive step.
Horrific and predicted.
There is no solution to this long term goal of the Saudis to promote Wahhabism and spread the poison throughout the world. I do not kid on for a second it will be easy or costless for the West to embark on this route. But there is literally no other option.
If you want to kill the snake, cut off its head.
It might also be worth considering making Ahmadism the established Islamic faith in the UK and the only one permitted to organise.
Adam Curtis "Bitter Lake" is far from his best work (sprawling, badly edited and far too long) but it's worth watching for some of the deeper background on just how much the US capitulated to the House of Saud after WW2.
Awful news from Nice.
Mr. Lowlander, Mecca's the most important place in Islam and somewhere every healthy Muslim is expected to visit at least once during their life. It's not just some place in the desert [a desert, incidentally, still full of oil].
And leaving aside questions of legality, practicality and judgement, if we were to cut off the Saudi head (which would be a lot harder than you make it sound), who do you put in place to run things afterwards? If push came to shove, would you be prepared to station Western troops in Mecca? And how many billions would you be prepared to spend on the venture?