I assume you advocate the same for any and all parades and events where the police are needed. Remembrance Day Parades? Village Fetes? Carnivals? I wonder if the Notting Hill Carnival in London would still be able to go ahead if the police back-charged the organisers for the costs? And all the protest marches in London. Should the police charge everyone going on those protests to make sure their costs are covered?
Or is it the case that only things you (or I) disagree with should be charged?
I'd suggest that an event which has for decades had drunkenness, confrontation, violence and vomiting central to it, and causes substantial inconvenience to Glasgow's population, should be required to pay the majority of its costs. Football clubs do it, why not the Orange Order?
The same could be said of many events and certainly of many protest marches in London and elsewhere around the country. The same could have been said of the Notting Hill carnival in the past. Again given the inconvenience, public disorder and violence associated with some protest marches do you think they should be charged the costs of the police presence as well?
Or again is it only events you disagree with that you feel should be charged?
Mike headlining with "Kellner says" reminds me of another "Kellner says" moment.
Back in May 2011, in a remarkable move for a pollster, he wrote an open letter to Alex Salmond just after his election victory. (Did he write an open letter to David Cameron in May 2010, just after his election victory? If not, why not?)
In it Kellner made 3 predictions. Prediction number 1 has yet to be tested, but the failure of prediction numbers 2 and 3 prove that Kellner is not the all knowing seer that he (and, in fairness, many others) like to think he is:
Certainly full of himself and going by the results so far his opinion of himself seems to be at odds with reality.
Kellner's second prediction was that Salmond would wriggle out of an in/out referendum and get DevoMax on the ballot. How did that work out?
Devomax was his worst option.
"The Scottish referendum in 2014 will ask people one question – whether they think Scotland should be an independent country. Yet many surveys and polls suggest that another option – significantly extending the powers of the Scottish Parliament – might be better able than independence to attract support from a majority of Scots."
I am too busy laughing at the stupidity of the unionist media. Hee Haw Hee Haw lap it up
That's the Scottish Social Attitudes Survey, not previously denounced as "stupid Unionist media,"
I was not referring to your quote , I was talking about today's media blindly printing the stupid mobile phone charges story put out by Westminster, despite having the reality that the charges are dropping and will be banned by 2015. They are so stupid it is unbelievable. It is very clear people would choose Devo max if it was on offer , but Cameron chose to gamble and he cannot win now , it is either lose or give out more powers. he has been led by the nose by Salmond who now cannot lose.
he has been led by the nose by Salmond who now cannot lose.
What odds will you give me for a £100 stake that Scotland votes NO to independence?
Charles, Salmond now cannot lose , he either wins the vote OR the unionists are forced to give the extended powers and when they renege as usual he will be proven correct and easily win the popular vote and the next referendum vote. Cameron could have set the pace and at least delayed the inevitable fora minimum of a generation but is not very bright and surrounded by people of the same ilk, having donkey Moore as your negotiator says it all.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a generous offer after a No vote. How do you know that's not Cameron's game plan. It's certainly the approach I've been advocating.
Charles, we would have heard of it by now
Why do the work if you don't even know if Scotland will still be in the Union in 2016?
Had Salmond got his "three question referendum" it would be a valid point.
But he didn't, so it isn't.
As everybody should know , a NO vote will mean even more of the jackboot on our throats. It will be a sad day for Scotland if people are stupid enough to vote for the status quo.
WATO on the second battle of Falkirk (Edward I thrashed William Wallace at the first one) - after Eric Joyce announced that he would not stand again, 150 new members signed up in addition to the current 150 - these new members have now been disenfranchised. UNITE not happy....
Difficult to say - one works out at £12,500/head with the money spent in the US - the other at ~ £30/ head with the money all spent in Scotland - what do you think?
Ah, good old Unionist reductio ad absurdum.
Just following good old SNP reduexctio ad absurdum.....unless you think the Orange Parades should be either banned or go unpoliced?
I could see Eck in a bowler hat, he's got the build for it.
Mike headlining with "Kellner says" reminds me of another "Kellner says" moment.
Back in May 2011, in a remarkable move for a pollster, he wrote an open letter to Alex Salmond just after his election victory. (Did he write an open letter to David Cameron in May 2010, just after his election victory? If not, why not?)
In it Kellner made 3 predictions. Prediction number 1 has yet to be tested, but the failure of prediction numbers 2 and 3 prove that Kellner is not the all knowing seer that he (and, in fairness, many others) like to think he is:
Certainly full of himself and going by the results so far his opinion of himself seems to be at odds with reality.
Kellner's second prediction was that Salmond would wriggle out of an in/out referendum and get DevoMax on the ballot. How did that work out?
Devomax was his worst option.
"The Scottish referendum in 2014 will ask people one question – whether they think Scotland should be an independent country. Yet many surveys and polls suggest that another option – significantly extending the powers of the Scottish Parliament – might be better able than independence to attract support from a majority of Scots."
I am too busy laughing at the stupidity of the unionist media. Hee Haw Hee Haw lap it up
That's the Scottish Social Attitudes Survey, not previously denounced as "stupid Unionist media,"
I was not referring to your quote , I was talking about today's media blindly printing the stupid mobile phone charges story put out by Westminster, despite having the reality that the charges are dropping and will be banned by 2015. They are so stupid it is unbelievable. It is very clear people would choose Devo max if it was on offer , but Cameron chose to gamble and he cannot win now , it is either lose or give out more powers. he has been led by the nose by Salmond who now cannot lose.
he has been led by the nose by Salmond who now cannot lose.
What odds will you give me for a £100 stake that Scotland votes NO to independence?
Charles, Salmond now cannot lose , he either wins the vote OR the unionists are forced to give the extended powers and when they renege as usual he will be proven correct and easily win the popular vote and the next referendum vote. Cameron could have set the pace and at least delayed the inevitable fora minimum of a generation but is not very bright and surrounded by people of the same ilk, having donkey Moore as your negotiator says it all.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a generous offer after a No vote. How do you know that's not Cameron's game plan. It's certainly the approach I've been advocating.
Charles, we would have heard of it by now
Why do the work if you don't even know if Scotland will still be in the Union in 2016?
Had Salmond got his "three question referendum" it would be a valid point.
But he didn't, so it isn't.
a NO vote will mean even more of the jackboot on our throats.
Difficult to say - one works out at £12,500/head with the money spent in the US - the other at ~ £30/ head with the money all spent in Scotland - what do you think?
Ah, good old Unionist reductio ad absurdum.
Just following good old SNP reduexctio ad absurdum.....unless you think the Orange Parades should be either banned or go unpoliced?
I could see Eck in a bowler hat, he's got the build for it.
Working brain cells mean he is excluded Alan
They don't appear to be working that well of late. 14 months to go.
Mike headlining with "Kellner says" reminds me of another "Kellner says" moment.
Back in May 2011, in a remarkable move for a pollster, he wrote an open letter to Alex Salmond just after his election victory. (Did he write an open letter to David Cameron in May 2010, just after his election victory? If not, why not?)
In it Kellner made 3 predictions. Prediction number 1 has yet to be tested, but the failure of prediction numbers 2 and 3 prove that Kellner is not the all knowing seer that he (and, in fairness, many others) like to think he is:
Certainly full of himself and going by the results so far his opinion of himself seems to be at odds with reality.
Kellner's second prediction was that Salmond would wriggle out of an in/out referendum and get DevoMax on the ballot. How did that work out?
Devomax was his worst option.
"The Scottish referendum in 2014 will ask people one question – whether they think Scotland should be an independent country. Yet many surveys and polls suggest that another option – significantly extending the powers of the Scottish Parliament – might be better able than independence to attract support from a majority of Scots."
I am too busy laughing at the stupidity of the unionist media. Hee Haw Hee Haw lap it up
That's the Scottish Social Attitudes Survey, not previously denounced as "stupid Unionist media,"
I was not referring to your quote , I was talking about today's media blindly printing the stupid mobile phone charges story put out by Westminster, despite having the reality that the charges are dropping and will be banned by 2015. They are so stupid it is unbelievable. It is very clear people would choose Devo max if it was on offer , but Cameron chose to gamble and he cannot win now , it is either lose or give out more powers. he has been led by the nose by Salmond who now cannot lose.
he has been led by the nose by Salmond who now cannot lose.
What odds will you give me for a £100 stake that Scotland votes NO to independence?
Charles, Salmond now cannot lose , he either wins the vote OR the unionists are forced to give the extended powers and when they renege as usual he will be proven correct and easily win the popular vote and the next referendum vote. Cameron could have set the pace and at least delayed the inevitable fora minimum of a generation but is not very bright and surrounded by people of the same ilk, having donkey Moore as your negotiator says it all.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a generous offer after a No vote. How do you know that's not Cameron's game plan. It's certainly the approach I've been advocating.
Charles, we would have heard of it by now
Why do the work if you don't even know if Scotland will still be in the Union in 2016?
Had Salmond got his "three question referendum" it would be a valid point.
But he didn't, so it isn't.
As everybody should know , a NO vote will mean even more of the jackboot on our throats. It will be a sad day for Scotland if people are stupid enough to vote for the status quo.
As you know Malcolm I am very much in favour of Scottish Independence but I do think the idea that Scotland is an occupied country under the oppressive jackboot of England is just fanciful. That sort of imagery and language is counterproductive and makes the Nationalists seem like fanatical fantasists.
I certainly hope that Scotland votes for Independence as I firmly believe they will do very well standing on their own two feet. But your approach (I believe) makes that less rather than more likely.
Or again is it only events you disagree with that you feel should be charged?
As it happens, I don't 'disagree' that the Orange Order should be allowed to march. While I may find it aesthetically displeasing and don't think highly of the culture that produces it, as someone once answered the question as to why football and sectarianism are such powerful forces in the West of Scotland, 'It's all they've got.' However if an event is held every year with many supporting events (I've just heard the discordant tones of flute and drum floating past my kitchen window coincidentally), and regularly incurs costs and damage without contributing a great deal to the greater community, yes, they should pay for the pleasure. For the sake of consistency, if any of the events you mention occurred regularly with the same consequences and without concomitant benefits, yes, they should also pay. Personal responsibility should extend to groups, institutions and organisations, no?
As it happens, I don't 'disagree' that the Orange Order should be allowed to march. While I may find it aesthetically displeasing and don't think highly of the culture that produces it, as someone once answered the question as to why football and sectarianism are such powerful forces in the West of Scotland?
'For three years their argument has been that with interest rates so low, Britain should borrow and spend more. Yes, the Britain which has the highest annual budget deficit in the EU, and which (as Labour likes to remind us) is adding to the national debt hundreds of billions of pounds on top of what Osborne originally planned. Labour’s dreamy answer to the country’s debt problem goes down well with trade union leaders but to the public it now seems ridiculous. Families struggling with the mortgage, choking on yesteryear’s easy credit and drowning in plastic card interest payments cannot see how additional borrowing can make any more sense for government than it would for them.
Former Conservative minister in "vote Conservative" shock. Film at 11.
There is, however, buried in Portillo's claptrap (is he after a job?), a serious point which shows Ed Miliband has got it wrong. Portillo's appeal to "household economics" sounds plausible which is why Labour needs to have been making the case for proper investment for growth.
Considering the eyeties' mess-up I think we should follow the rules of the French in Corsica: Whoever wins gets the champagne; everyone else should get the same time (and points)....
It's sort of on topic, and it seems that Bagehot is in the NOM camp.
Hard to disagree with that. The LDs have learned a lot from their first year or so in power and the accompanying love-in with the Tories. The differentiation since may not have made much difference in the polls, but could well pay dividends in seats where it's LD v Tory. Longer-term, the idea of them being a brake on the other two in government could become an appealing pitch.
Ed Miliband has got it wrong. Portillo's appeal to "household economics" sounds plausible which is why Labour needs to have been making the case for proper investment for growth.
Labour has belatedly tried to couch their pitch for borrowing your way out of debt in household terms by claiming mortgages are 'good borrowing' and payday loans are 'bad borrowing'
Even if that wasn't a poor argument, and even if it wasn't being pitched by the numpties who borrowed the country into this mess, the memory of Northern Rock is too fresh. Mortgages nearly bankrupt the country.
There is no appetite for the country to take out another Together Mortgage brokered by Ed Balls
If the Lib Dems want to retain power, they're presumably going to have to try to preferentially sabotage the favourite for the next election, whether that's Labour or the Conservatives, to maximise the chances of a hung Parliament. Timing will of course be everything for such a strategy.
Mike headlining with "Kellner says" reminds me of another "Kellner says" moment.
Back in May 2011, in a remarkable move for a pollster, he wrote an open letter to Alex Salmond just after his election victory. (Did he write an open letter to David Cameron in May 2010, just after his election victory? If not, why not?)
In it Kellner made 3 predictions. Prediction number 1 has yet to be tested, but the failure of prediction numbers 2 and 3 prove that Kellner is not the all knowing seer that he (and, in fairness, many others) like to think he is:
Certainly full of himself and going by the results so far his opinion of himself seems to be at odds with reality.
Kellner's second prediction was that Salmond would wriggle out of an in/out referendum and get DevoMax on the ballot. How did that work out?
Devomax was his worst option.
"The Scottish referendum in 2014 will ask people one question – whether they think Scotland should be an independent country. Yet many surveys and polls suggest that another option – significantly extending the powers of the Scottish Parliament – might be better able than independence to attract support from a majority of Scots."
I am too busy laughing at the stupidity of the unionist media. Hee Haw Hee Haw lap it up
That's the Scottish Social Attitudes Survey, not previously denounced as "stupid Unionist media,"
I was not referring to your quote , I was talking about today's media blindly printing the stupid mobile phone charges story put out by Westminster, despite having the reality that the charges are dropping and will be banned by 2015. They are so stupid it is unbelievable. It is very clear people would choose Devo max if it was on offer , but Cameron chose to gamble and he cannot win now , it is either lose or give out more powers. he has been led by the nose by Salmond who now cannot lose.
he has been led by the nose by Salmond who now cannot lose.
What odds will you give me for a £100 stake that Scotland votes NO to independence?
Charles, Salmond now cannot lose , he either wins the vote OR the unionists are forced to give the extended powers and when they renege as usual he will be proven correct and easily win the popular vote and the next referendum vote. Cameron could have set the pace and at least delayed the inevitable fora minimum of a generation but is not very bright and surrounded by people of the same ilk, having donkey Moore as your negotiator says it all.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a generous offer after a No vote. How do you know that's not Cameron's game plan. It's certainly the approach I've been advocating.
Charles, we would have heard of it by now
Why do the work if you don't even know if Scotland will still be in the Union in 2016?
Had Salmond got his "three question referendum" it would be a valid point.
But he didn't, so it isn't.
a NO vote will mean even more of the jackboot on our throats.
Mike headlining with "Kellner says" reminds me of another "Kellner says" moment.
Back in May 2011, in a remarkable move for a pollster, he wrote an open letter to Alex Salmond just after his election victory. (Did he write an open letter to David Cameron in May 2010, just after his election victory? If not, why not?)
In it Kellner made 3 predictions. Prediction number 1 has yet to be tested, but the failure of prediction numbers 2 and 3 prove that Kellner is not the all knowing seer that he (and, in fairness, many others) like to think he is:
Certainly full of himself and going by the results so far his opinion of himself seems to be at odds with reality.
Kellner's second prediction was that Salmond would wriggle out of an in/out referendum and get DevoMax on the ballot. How did that work out?
Devomax was his worst option.
"The Scottish referendum in 2014 will ask people one question – whether they think Scotland should be an independent country. Yet many surveys and polls suggest that another option – significantly extending the powers of the Scottish Parliament – might be better able than independence to attract support from a majority of Scots."
I am too busy laughing at the stupidity of the unionist media. Hee Haw Hee Haw lap it up
That's the Scottish Social Attitudes Survey, not previously denounced as "stupid Unionist media,"
I was not referring to your quote , I was talking about today's media blindly printing the stupid mobile phone charges story put out by Westminster, despite having the reality that the charges are dropping and will be banned by 2015. They are so stupid it is unbelievable. It is very clear people would choose Devo max if it was on offer , but Cameron chose to gamble and he cannot win now , it is either lose or give out more powers. he has been led by the nose by Salmond who now cannot lose.
he has been led by the nose by Salmond who now cannot lose.
What odds will you give me for a £100 stake that Scotland votes NO to independence?
Charles, Salmond now cannot lose , he either wins the vote OR the unionists are forced to give the extended powers and when they renege as usual he will be proven correct and easily win the popular vote and the next referendum vote. Cameron could have set the pace and at least delayed the inevitable fora minimum of a generation but is not very bright and surrounded by people of the same ilk, having donkey Moore as your negotiator says it all.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a generous offer after a No vote. How do you know that's not Cameron's game plan. It's certainly the approach I've been advocating.
Charles, we would have heard of it by now
Why do the work if you don't even know if Scotland will still be in the Union in 2016?
Had Salmond got his "three question referendum" it would be a valid point.
But he didn't, so it isn't.
As everybody should know , a NO vote will mean even more of the jackboot on our throats. It will be a sad day for Scotland if people are stupid enough to vote for the status quo.
As you know Malcolm I am very much in favour of Scottish Independence but I do think the idea that Scotland is an occupied country under the oppressive jackboot of England is just fanciful. That sort of imagery and language is counterproductive and makes the Nationalists seem like fanatical fantasists.
I certainly hope that Scotland votes for Independence as I firmly believe they will do very well standing on their own two feet. But your approach (I believe) makes that less rather than more likely.
Richard, I do not know how you conflated that with England, typical unionist thinking. It is in respect to Westminster government and has nothing whatsoever to do with England or my opinion of the English.
Edit: Richard , you should look at posts such as Carla's, there you will see offensive personal insults rather than political statements, just what you expect from ex-pat so called bitter and twisted Scots.
The eejits quote a 4,600 nm radius for Trident. Unfortunately - considering that they are no longer credible journalists - that is the specification for Trident-C4.
St Margaret bought the better system which has, not only a longer range, but a better probability of hitting the intended target. It is called Trident-D5.
Mike headlining with "Kellner says" reminds me of another "Kellner says" moment.
Back in May 2011, in a remarkable move for a pollster, he wrote an open letter to Alex Salmond just after his election victory. (Did he write an open letter to David Cameron in May 2010, just after his election victory? If not, why not?)
In it Kellner made 3 predictions. Prediction number 1 has yet to be tested, but the failure of prediction numbers 2 and 3 prove that Kellner is not the all knowing seer that he (and, in fairness, many others) like to think he is:
Certainly full of himself and going by the results so far his opinion of himself seems to be at odds with reality.
Kellner's second prediction was that Salmond would wriggle out of an in/out referendum and get DevoMax on the ballot. How did that work out?
Devomax was his worst option.
"The Scottish referendum in 2014 will ask people one question – whether they think Scotland should be an independent country. Yet many surveys and polls suggest that another option – significantly extending the powers of the Scottish Parliament – might be better able than independence to attract support from a majority of Scots."
I am too busy laughing at the stupidity of the unionist media. Hee Haw Hee Haw lap it up
That's the Scottish Social Attitudes Survey, not previously denounced as "stupid Unionist media,"
I was not referring to your quote , I was talking about today's media blindly printing the stupid mobile phone charges story put out by Westminster, despite having the reality that the charges are dropping and will be banned by 2015. They are so stupid it is unbelievable. It is very clear people would choose Devo max if it was on offer , but Cameron chose to gamble and he cannot win now , it is either lose or give out more powers. he has been led by the nose by Salmond who now cannot lose.
he has been led by the nose by Salmond who now cannot lose.
What odds will you give me for a £100 stake that Scotland votes NO to independence?
Charles, Salmond now cannot lose , he either wins the vote OR the unionists are forced to give the extended powers and when they renege as usual he will be proven correct and easily win the popular vote and the next referendum vote. Cameron could have set the pace and at least delayed the inevitable fora minimum of a generation but is not very bright and surrounded by people of the same ilk, having donkey Moore as your negotiator says it all.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a generous offer after a No vote. How do you know that's not Cameron's game plan. It's certainly the approach I've been advocating.
Charles, we would have heard of it by now
Why do the work if you don't even know if Scotland will still be in the Union in 2016?
Had Salmond got his "three question referendum" it would be a valid point.
But he didn't, so it isn't.
a NO vote will mean even more of the jackboot on our throats.
Been on the electric soup Malcolm?
Offensive even by your standards
Malcolm - I apologise - I only knew the term from Private Eye's 'Dear Bill' -and Dennis Thatcher's favourite tipple - checking the Urban Dictionary I see there is an alternate and all together less salubrious meaning.
Labour must change its “absolutely crazy” relationship with the trade unions after the Falkirk candidate selection row, a former minister has said.
Unite has been accused of signing members up to the party in order to influence the candidate selection process in the seat that is to be vacated by Eric Joyce at the next election.
Kim Howells, who held a series of ministerial posts under the Blair government, challenged Ed Miliband to use the opportunity to reform Labour’s reliance on union backing.
"That has got to change, that is absolutely crazy. He’s got to face up to it because I think this threatens the whole reputation of the Labour party. The Labour party needs to be seen to be above special interest politics," Mr Howells told the World This Weekend.
“It’s no good anymore assuming that the nation at large are going to broadly sympathetic and therefore it doesn’t matter. It does matter. It’s got to be a party that is seen to represent everyone.”
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Or again is it only events you disagree with that you feel should be charged?
Pirrel-argh!
They always burst.
I certainly hope that Scotland votes for Independence as I firmly believe they will do very well standing on their own two feet. But your approach (I believe) makes that less rather than more likely.
Wee-Freck must be proud....
http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21580139-liberal-democrats-can-expect-be-smaller-more-powerful-little-party-behind
It's sort of on topic, and it seems that Bagehot is in the NOM camp.
There is, however, buried in Portillo's claptrap (is he after a job?), a serious point which shows Ed Miliband has got it wrong. Portillo's appeal to "household economics" sounds plausible which is why Labour needs to have been making the case for proper investment for growth.
Considering the eyeties' mess-up I think we should follow the rules of the French in Corsica: Whoever wins gets the champagne; everyone else should get the same time (and points)....
:feck-up-weekend:
:please-do-keep-up:
Even if that wasn't a poor argument, and even if it wasn't being pitched by the numpties who borrowed the country into this mess, the memory of Northern Rock is too fresh. Mortgages nearly bankrupt the country.
There is no appetite for the country to take out another Together Mortgage brokered by Ed Balls
I hope your good-lady understands that you have compared her good-self with a Wee-Timmy fest of "Family Guy"....
Seriously, this is one f-uped race. Spectacular for all the wrong reasons.
Edit: Richard , you should look at posts such as Carla's, there you will see offensive personal insults rather than political statements, just what you expect from ex-pat so called bitter and twisted Scots.
Al-Beeb is so useless...!
Src.: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23117303
The eejits quote a 4,600 nm radius for Trident. Unfortunately - considering that they are no longer credible journalists - that is the specification for Trident-C4.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UGM-96_Trident_I
St Margaret bought the better system which has, not only a longer range, but a better probability of hitting the intended target. It is called Trident-D5.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UGM-133_Trident_II
Considering that the D5LE is expected to sustain Trident until 2042, one wonders what is the point of:
- Al-Beeb and their m0ngs,
- The ginger-muppet from Scotland, and
- most of the public-sector faeces.
Truely, what a waste-of-space they are....E.t.A: Posted the above to Al-Beeb's "customer" feedback. They'll "rue-the-day"....
http://www.wishawpress.co.uk/wishaw-news/local-wishaw-news/wishaw-news/2013/01/30/first-minister-alex-salmond-joins-ravenscraig-burns-club-at-colville-park-to-celebrate-robert-burns-76495-32706015/
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/352393/illusion-and-reality-mark-steyn
Funny howthese bleeding hearted liberals, of all persuasions, end up getting knifed by the cause they espouse.