HYFUD..Stop quoting the polls..they have absolutely no idea....just like the GE...
Actually, overall slightly more of the final polls had the Tories ahead than Labour before the GE even if they were totally out on the margin. The point is the shift from Tory to UKIP which is obvious
Understandable given the focus on the EU in recent months (and for a few more months). Whether it continues afterwards is another matter.
It certainly will if it is a narrow Remain and Leave voters feel betrayed
I think a lot of reluctant Remainers are going to feel betrayed too.
A very odd decision of Leave to say they would spend the money they save from the EU on the NHS. Such nonsense is the quickest way to lose trust. The sort of thing you'd expect from Ed Miliband though at least you might believe the aspiration if it was him. The idea that such a move by Johnson and Gove is even a possibility is plain ridiculous.
OT. Go see 'Eye in the Sky'. A film made for PBers. Political technical British and an extremely good film.
Leave must be hitting home.
I heard George Galloway and Gisela Stuart speak for Leave today. I thought Galloway was good and Gisela was hopeless. But the main point is that they were saying completely different things and they're both on the left. To the uninitiated Leave are looking shambolic.
A very odd decision of Leave to say they would spend the money they save from the EU on the NHS. Such nonsense is the quickest way to lose trust. The sort of thing you'd expect from Ed Miliband though at least you might believe the aspiration if it was him. The idea that such a move by Johnson and Gove is even a possibility is plain ridiculous.
OT. Go see 'Eye in the Sky'. A film made for PBers. Political technical British and an extremely good film.
Leave must be hitting home.
I heard George Galloway and Gisela Stuart speak for Leave today. I thought Galloway was good and Gisela was hopeless. But the main point is that they were saying completely different things and they're both on the left. To the uninitiated Leave are looking shambolic.
Leave means making our own decisions.
It's inevitable that a spectrum of people who wish to Leave will wish to do different things with that decision making power.
I just got this email from Arron Banks I thought I'd share with you:
"Dear Supporter, On Wednesday the Electoral Commission appointed Vote Leave as the main designated campaign.
According to the Commission’s rationale and its own statement, Vote Leave had the support of a wider section of politicians – i.e. more Conservative MP’s – and was more inclusive. It took no account of the nearly 60,000 people who took the trouble to email the Electoral Commission with their support for our campaign.
The Vote Leave submission was a masterpiece in lies and misrepresentations. It listed ‘Brexit: The Movie’, and a host of other projects, people, and organisations, who had in fact not given their support to VL's application. Leave.eu funded £50,000 of the cost of ‘Brexit: The Movie’.
Vote Leave made no donation.
I hope you will go and see the movie when it hits the cinema screens next month. Your donations helped fund it.
Several Electoral Commissioners who had already declared themselves conflicted by their association with VL were allowed to vote, this meant the decision was invalid under the Commission’s own rules. We were advised that we would have won on this point alone.
In the end, we accepted the result for the greater cause of the campaign. There was a risk that legal action could have caused the referendum to be delayed until October, so tight is the timetable.
Such is the state of political corruption in the UK, we have started to resemble Italy or an African banana republic where influence and power can be bought or sold. The Electoral Commission is an unaccountable body in the back pockets of the politicians, who it serves. Like so many other unaccountable quangos its members are appointed to receive fat fees and return political favours!
The Electoral Commission publicly stated that they are disappointed in the Government’s decision to spend an extra £9m on the IN campaign, they say it’s unfair, but then just shrug their shoulders and do nothing about it.
Leave.EU has raised £9m in private donations from over 8,000 people, nearly one million supporters across the country, and we are immensely proud of the way we have shaken up the campaign!
Make no mistake, this is a fight between the people and the establishment.
We challenged ‘Vote Leave’ because they care more about the future of the Conservative Party than winning the referendum. There are 69 days to the Vote and we intend to fight harder than before for the future of this country. Leave.EU is now free to campaign the way we want, so expect fireworks!
I just got this email from Arron Banks I thought I'd share with you:
"Dear Supporter, On Wednesday the Electoral Commission appointed Vote Leave as the main designated campaign.
According to the Commission’s rationale and its own statement, Vote Leave had the support of a wider section of politicians – i.e. more Conservative MP’s – and was more inclusive. It took no account of the nearly 60,000 people who took the trouble to email the Electoral Commission with their support for our campaign.
The Vote Leave submission was a masterpiece in lies and misrepresentations. It listed ‘Brexit: The Movie’, and a host of other projects, people, and organisations, who had in fact not given their support to VL's application. Leave.eu funded £50,000 of the cost of ‘Brexit: The Movie’.
Vote Leave made no donation.
I hope you will go and see the movie when it hits the cinema screens next month. Your donations helped fund it.
Several Electoral Commissioners who had already declared themselves conflicted by their association with VL were allowed to vote, this meant the decision was invalid under the Commission’s own rules. We were advised that we would have won on this point alone.
In the end, we accepted the result for the greater cause of the campaign. There was a risk that legal action could have caused the referendum to be delayed until October, so tight is the timetable.
Such is the state of political corruption in the UK, we have started to resemble Italy or an African banana republic where influence and power can be bought or sold. The Electoral Commission is an unaccountable body in the back pockets of the politicians, who it serves. Like so many other unaccountable quangos its members are appointed to receive fat fees and return political favours!
The Electoral Commission publicly stated that they are disappointed in the Government’s decision to spend an extra £9m on the IN campaign, they say it’s unfair, but then just shrug their shoulders and do nothing about it.
Leave.EU has raised £9m in private donations from over 8,000 people, nearly one million supporters across the country, and we are immensely proud of the way we have shaken up the campaign!
Make no mistake, this is a fight between the people and the establishment.
We challenged ‘Vote Leave’ because they care more about the future of the Conservative Party than winning the referendum. There are 69 days to the Vote and we intend to fight harder than before for the future of this country. Leave.EU is now free to campaign the way we want, so expect fireworks!
A very odd decision of Leave to say they would spend the money they save from the EU on the NHS. Such nonsense is the quickest way to lose trust. The sort of thing you'd expect from Ed Miliband though at least you might believe the aspiration if it was him. The idea that such a move by Johnson and Gove is even a possibility is plain ridiculous.
OT. Go see 'Eye in the Sky'. A film made for PBers. Political technical British and an extremely good film.
Leave must be hitting home.
I heard George Galloway and Gisela Stuart speak for Leave today. I thought Galloway was good and Gisela was hopeless. But the main point is that they were saying completely different things and they're both on the left. To the uninitiated Leave are looking shambolic.
Gisella was speaking on Today this morning and was brilliant. The presenter continually tried to get her to produce scare stories and then when she wouldn't tried to produce some of his own to get her to agree with so he could then knock them down. She persisted in painting a positive picture of Leave and would not resort to the Project Fear.
That needs a companion "£100 better off" question to compare.
"Would you vote REMAIN for £1,000?" "Yes" "How about £5.00?" "What do you think I am?" "I know what you are - all we're doing now is haggling over the price."
It's deeply sad that all many people care about is an extra fiver in their pocket, but they all have a vote.
Leave must work with that.
That joke used to about whether or not a woman would sleep with one! The price was higher, though. Possibly above Ruby's!
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It's inevitable that a spectrum of people who wish to Leave will wish to do different things with that decision making power.
"Dear Supporter,
On Wednesday the Electoral Commission appointed Vote Leave as the main designated campaign.
According to the Commission’s rationale and its own statement, Vote Leave had the support of a wider section of politicians – i.e. more Conservative MP’s – and was more inclusive. It took no account of the nearly 60,000 people who took the trouble to email the Electoral Commission with their support for our campaign.
The Vote Leave submission was a masterpiece in lies and misrepresentations. It listed ‘Brexit: The Movie’, and a host of other projects, people, and organisations, who had in fact not given their support to VL's application. Leave.eu funded £50,000 of the cost of ‘Brexit: The Movie’.
Vote Leave made no donation.
I hope you will go and see the movie when it hits the cinema screens next month. Your donations helped fund it.
Several Electoral Commissioners who had already declared themselves conflicted by their association with VL were allowed to vote, this meant the decision was invalid under the Commission’s own rules. We were advised that we would have won on this point alone.
In the end, we accepted the result for the greater cause of the campaign. There was a risk that legal action could have caused the referendum to be delayed until October, so tight is the timetable.
Such is the state of political corruption in the UK, we have started to resemble Italy or an African banana republic where influence and power can be bought or sold. The Electoral Commission is an unaccountable body in the back pockets of the politicians, who it serves. Like so many other unaccountable quangos its members are appointed to receive fat fees and return political favours!
The Electoral Commission publicly stated that they are disappointed in the Government’s decision to spend an extra £9m on the IN campaign, they say it’s unfair, but then just shrug their shoulders and do nothing about it.
Leave.EU has raised £9m in private donations from over 8,000 people, nearly one million supporters across the country, and we are immensely proud of the way we have shaken up the campaign!
Make no mistake, this is a fight between the people and the establishment.
We challenged ‘Vote Leave’ because they care more about the future of the Conservative Party than winning the referendum. There are 69 days to the Vote and we intend to fight harder than before for the future of this country. Leave.EU is now free to campaign the way we want, so expect fireworks!
Arron Banks"